How Movements Die; They Become Sad. The Covid Truth Movement Has Probably Become Splintered by Infiltration And Accusation
[Note: I was asked to put this back, after having removed it]
“And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand.”
I was quite surprised to see Steve Kirsch published a Substack article last night titled:
“Eric Coppolino exposes Poornima Wagh as a fraud.”
“Poornima says she has two PhDs in virology and the virus doesn’t exist. She’s lying about both.”
I read both, and many of the comments. The attacks against Cowan, Kaufman, the Baileys, and especially Jon Rappoport, who I have known since the 1980s, were just strange. I think Steve is confused. None of these people are “camera-shy.” Rappoport hosted a show on Infowars for years. I thought they wanted to debate Steve Kirsch.
I can’t follow this thing. And I don’t care to. It feels dark.
According to William Huston, Eric’s “brutal takedown” was months in the making, and as many as 15 “skilled researchers on three continents worked on it.”
I’m a paid subscriber to Coppolino’s work; I know him, I like him, I think he’s very dynamic and brilliant and has outstanding style and flair.
He could run a journalism academy if such things still existed. We’ve had our clashes, but he’s my friend and ally.
Here’s our interview.
On a personal note, Eric gifted me a jumper cable for my old Subaru that saved my life many times last winter—he’s like that. Generous and kind of flamboyant and fun and warm. I love his head scarves, colored glasses, and Sicilian flair for heavy rings.
He’s always been generous about my work and its meaning, and I’ve been on his show, and found him very professional. I love his comedic segments about PCR and “Christian Drosten’s In Silico monster.” I consider him the lead pack dog deconstructing this Covid PCR techno blob- and his interviewing skills are outstanding. Great thinker, writer, broadcaster, investigator, and journalist.
But this I just do not get.
I happened upon Dr. Lee Merritt’s interview with Poormina Wagh the other day, and was inspired and happy to hear two women talking about how disease happens, especially the parts about frequencies, Royal Raymund Rife, and so forth. I had no sense whatsoever that I was having my mind potentially hijacked by “controlled opposition.”
All of a sudden, Wagh was being exposed and taken down, by an investigative team with a very expansive budget, like things were done in the old days, decades ago. Like she was a public enemy, like she was Alger Hiss, and yet—surely she was… relatively obscure?
By all accounts Team Coppolino may be correct, but where is this taking us?
And who’s paying for all this? Why is it such a big deal? Why can’t Eric’s subscribers ask for other people to be investigated? Like, say….any number of the suddenly appearing Covid stars—I had never in 34 years of virus causation/pharma wars, heard of any of them, nor had any of us.
I don’t know who any of them are, to be honest. They mostly seem articulate, helpful, and pushing for truth.
How then, are we vulnerable, to “controlled opposition?”
Was Poormina Wagh set to become a super influencer, or eclipse the present set of Viruses-Don’t-Exist spokespersons? Was she going to be the new Bryan Ardis, or Jane Ruby? All I heard was a pretty down to earth conversation, in which Dr. Merritt was advancing her sense of how it all comes together, and it was a fruitful and engaging conversation. I also was interested to hear what Wagh had to say about Gandhi being a British Agent, from South Africa. Have you all listened to that?
Steve Kirsch does not like virus deniers, like Coppolino, et al, and they don’t like him.
I’m growing weary of writing this but my honest feeling is of something dying, and I have felt this before. Now everybody’s gonna be at each other’s throats, forever.
It’s over. The movement is punctured and will soon be gangrenous.
[Changed my mind.]
I’m telling you—I’ve been through this before— when movements are corrupted by purification rites and lose their coherence, a kind of crumbling sets in. Can “truth” corrupt a truth movement?
Joseph A. Vescera
I think Poornima Wagh may be a Deep State operative, but to trash Cowan, Kaufman, Lanka balantantly is wrong considering that Allopathic medicine was created by John D. Rockefeller and Andrew Carnegie who wanted to corrupt science for their own benefit and control people.
This is the perfect "pointless debate" to distract from the real issues and crime that is unfolding.
If you don't believe there is a virus, that's not going to change anything because you can't prove it. I have never seen an argument that even "makes sense", let alone "proof" of the claim.
My problem is who cares whether viruses exist or not￼.. We are fighting each other over nuances￼.. Let’s get back on track and try to make our Health a priority and our environment a priority
Wagh was set up to discredit all of the no-virus people and Steve has taken the baton from her. We'll see many other virus pushers against clot shots come out to use Wagh to discredit the no-virus movement.
Bill Huston Podcast
You must be on drugs.
These people have collectively made hundreds of hours of quality radio shows, podcasts, and videos.
You just live in your $13M, 9,635 sq ft., 5 Bedroom, 7 baths BUBBLE. You need to get out more.
PS: i see that you left off Christine Massey's name, which is a VERY GOOD IDEA, because you and your buddy Kevin McCairn are THIS CLOSE to getting criminal harassment charges filed against you.
Steve Kirsch, if you are really interested in proving their claims wrong, rather than pontificate and point fingers, these people Kaufman, Cowan, Bailey, et. al. have asked for the real evidence that the virus has been actually isolated, as it filtered, then purified in a centrifuge, pipetted, then characterized, before demonstrating that it can be injected into or caught by healthy individuals (use animals), who then show the same symptoms.
Experiments performed by a Dr Sellard at the time of the Spanish Flu, proved measles were not contagious. And the Stefan Lanka court saga has also proven that measles are not only contagious, but the virus is not able to be isolated and purified. In which case, the virus does not exist. Measles exists, though, but appears to be a detoxification of the body for some reason.
At the same time of Dr Sellard's experiments, a Dr Hess conducted experiments on varicella (chicken pox). He found that he was unable to demonstrate that they were contagious.
Milton Rosenau, MD, conducted experiments in Boston in 1919 on a hundred healthy subjects to learn how the influenza was spread. After subjected the cohort to severe experiments in order to transmit the flu from the sick to the healthy, none got ill and all remained healthy.
In San Francisco, Dr McCoy from the Public Health Dept and Dr Richey from the Navy also conducted experiments on a cohort of fifty individuals, doing much the same as Rosenau did in his experiments, and none of the healthy volunteers became ill with the "so called" Spanish Flu.
The trickery being used today to claim that the current virus exists, when the test was made up on a computer and there is no evidence of the actual "so called" virus actually being isolated, as in separated via filtration and purification, so that only it alone exists, is what needs to be exposed.
The idea that separation is taking phlegm or mucous or sputum from a patient and putting this in a petri dish, along with monkey kidney cells and biotics, is isolation reeks of the work of tricksters, something we would expect from the illusionists Penn and Teller, not what we would expect of legitimate scientists.
From my point of view, having come to understand how "psyops" work, the fact that Malone claims the virus has been isolated, but he himself has never isolated a virus along the lines of first filtrating one, then placing it in a centrifuge to isolate it from other material, pipetting it so it a micrograph can be taken and characterized, puts him in the same league as the hucksters and con men.
Why don't you take up the challenge laid down by Kaufman, Cowan, Bailey, et. al.?
All I am hearing from you is a man who claims that he is willing to put up $2 million dollars for a bet, but never actually puts the money on the table. Unless you do this, you are going to become known and a poser. A man who claims he is someone important, but is nothing more than what you claim for Poornima.
Do the experiments, then you will be someone worthy of respect.
As for people losing their credentials and having them wiped from existence. Tullio Simoncini was a registered oncologist. Then he discovered that many cancers were actually caused by candida albicans and began treating them successfully with bicarbonate soda. After surviving an assignation attempt, Simoncini was permitted to live, but he was deregistered and all information of his qualifications were expunged from the record. Instead, he was awarded a PhD for philosophy. This way all who want to denigrate the man can call him a quack and discredit him.
I don't give a hoot who Poorenigma is. Sars CoV-2 was never isolated and the PCR tests were never based on a real virus. its inarguable and undeniable.
Just like when a&e for 911 truth proved nanothermite brought down the twin towers along came the "no plane'ers" and "mini nukers" to distract and divide, pay no attention to them....
This agent of deception was specifically hired (likely by intelligence agencies) to run a discredit by association operation so that other agents (like Steve Kirsch) could "debunk" her and thus discredit the entire "no virus" narrative in one swoop. We're not falling for it, she was an obvious fraud as soon as her videos started making the rounds and those of us with discernment predicted that this Baby and the Bathwater nonsense would follow. And here you are Steve, fulfilling the prediction. Your game is transparent for all to see.
That’s a display of some of the comments on Kirsch and Coppolino’s Substacks.
I remember when our movement died, how barren we felt. We could barely speak to one another anymore.
Who is we?
The HIV dissidents from the… Bronze Age. I can’t even count the years anymore. Most are dead and gone and I don’t know to what exactly I credit my survival but I come to you as a representative of the fossil kingdom.
A living fossil, which seems a contradiction, I know, but that is what I am.
I remember being on the phone with Harvey Bialy, around 2008 as our movement lay, like Orwell’s Burmese elephant, between its death blow and its collapse. We used to bound together by what the Swedish communist thought leaders of my childhood called “solidarity.”
“Who do you think it was?” I asked Harvey.
“Who was a spook?”
“I don’t know.”
“I don’t either.”
“If you had to guess…”
“No, I don’t think so.”
“I don’t either.”
We each offered a few more names but none seemed plausible.
Who was it? Was it more than one person?
I can tell you this: There came a time, when malignant fights began to break out in our midst— when our code of unity and appreciation was no longer a given. The fights were usually about isolation, also known as the “existential” battle. (Did “HIV” exist? see:www.theperthgroup.com.) About AZT’s lethality there could be no disagreement, not even, in the end, from the orthodox camp. Did “cocktail therapy” save any lives or help any people? This was a point of disagreement. But the existence of HIV itself, this was where the very winds of death came in. It was a strange thing. The Perth Group—they were correct.
They were mono-maniacally fastidious and impervious to error. Through no fault of their own, they attracted fanatics, who set out to destroy, in a militant Bolshivik manner, any and all who failed to grasp and express how right they were.
“Those people, observed my friend Greg Reese, “I know the type. They’re correct, but they’re like Antifa.”
“Exactly,” I said. “They open portals and dark energy comes in. Even though they are correct. It’s very strange.”
A kind of ritual stripping down, sacrifice maybe—to purify the herd, to increase its chances of “credibility” and imagined success.
Do you know how many times I’ve witnessed these ritual purges?
Duesberg. David Crowe. Clark Baker. Me. Many of us were burned at the stake, for failure to live up to virus denunciation, or whatever else. I was denounced in grounds of being “atrocious on the science.”
I said I write about people, not science.
But maybe this was how it had to be—the whole forest burning, with accusations against people who’d given so much, so that real truth could get born. The kind that would set every many woman and child free at last, from viral delusions!
I didn’t like it.
An unmistakeable ugliness had crept in, and it seemed to bloom like algae in a warm pond. Nobody could be pure enough, militant enough, Perthin-ian enough—yet this was not—I repeat— the fault of the Perth Group. They themselves have written to me to express mortification over some of the people who claimed to represent them, and slashed in their name. They know who they are and so do we all.
We all had to die, you see, if we didn't viciously denounce the retro-virus believer Duesberg, to clear the road for the utopian world to come—the one that would be built on the ashes of all of virology, including Duesberg.
It was some time in the 1990s when we all flew to Buenos Aires for a conference. I had just gotten to my hotel room after the long flight when the phone rang. It was Meditel’s Joan Shenton, calling to say we all had to be downstairs for a lecture in 10 minutes. I sighed.
A brilliant German scientist named Stefan Lanka, she said, was going to set us all straight about viruses and the whole pack of lies. He was fascinating, and what he was saying was brand new, Joan said. Joan was so good with people—always keeping up. No time to rest.
“I need to take a shower,” I said.
Joan made clear I had better come downstairs. So I did. Groggily, somewhat resentfully. I can’t recall anything Stefan Lanka said but I remember thinking I was willing to agree he was right if they would just let me go to my room. Stefan Lanka was no doubt fascinating and I should have cared but I didn’t.
The next day, at a panel discussion, Harvey Bialy was next to me, when the Lanka/Virus/Duesberg/Perth matter broke out. He leaned in and said, in his deep, dramatic voice, “Celia. Listen to me. This debate is highly complex. It is on the level of the Einstein-Bohr quantum physics debate, and you’re not smart enough.”
I could not have agreed more, and was happy I was about to be pardoned from the proceedings, on grounds of not being smart enough to be bored to death, in an airless room in Argentina.
Harvey later claimed he never said that but yes he did. And he was right.
I wound up in the unenviable position for years, of being neither “smart enough” to grasp it nor blessed enough to be released from it. Instead, they began to attack me, those defending the virginity of The Perth Group, and the attacks grew even more maiming and annihilating than those from the orthodox camp which I was more used to. Perth Group’s bullies were, it must be said, a lot smarter, than the HIV crowd, but sometimes thwarted or unacknowledged intelligence, especially among males, can emerge in the form of bullying and mockery. They needed more attention and acknowledgement than they got.
What they said no longer matters and how I tried to defend myself no longer matters, but honestly I grew to dread isolationist fanatics the way some people dread snakes.
Mike Wallach was, and is, one of my favorite people—I consider him a friend. When they took him (the isolationist Trotskyites ) I knew his intelligence would be put to good use but I tried to warn him that there were dark portals around this whole isolation thing. It was always such a baffling mystery, like the Bermuda Triangle, how the “no virus” position could be both accurate, correct, important, and yet so destructive. I came to realize that some truths bring ugly spirits with them.
Greg Reese made the stunning observation to me this past spring when I was lamenting to him that the no-virus thing was depressing me again, not because they were wrong, but because they were reductionist, sterile, and fanatic. They in turn (not Mike Wallach—but others) accused me of being scientifically illiterate, which I am.
I’m done taking shit from anybody.
Oh right, I forgot, we have a serious situation on our hands: Poornima Wagh may be a “fraud.”
May not have the PhD’s she claims.
It’s a legitimate tradition of journalism and it has never interested me, and that is my right, to declare what bores me.
It’s called gotcha journalism, and many people thing it’s very important and maybe it is. As Eric said: “We diffused a bomb.”
But why do I feel so deflated? Maybe people can be a) right and b) demoralizing.
Right, correct, heroic, and yet…something is suddenly missing.
You just want to quit.