I will watch the video a little later but, as someone who has “frozen” since my painful childhood, I wanted to offer you this:
You are so much more than enough. If you never posted another article or campaigned for another cause or signed another petition, your very BEING is a blessing to this Earth. In my humble opinion, you hold space in the world for compassion and integrity and vulnerability. A blessing.
I accidently clicked "send" before completing my response. Flight and fawn were helpful survival tools. I didn't fight. I stuffed my rage emotionally and mentally decided I was wrong and bad. It was all my fault. I was frozen in depression much of the time, about six months out of every year, from October/November to March/April. Every year of my life as far as I can discern or remember. But, aha, my fawning practice and acting ability paid off– I was able to fake ok'ness quite well. I was deeply ashamed of my "mental illness" and it was imperative to put a smile on my face and hide the absolute despair I was stuck in. Nothing else worked– not concoctions of psychiatric drugs, not retreats and workshops, not psychotherapy, not spirituality. FROZEN! I was diagnosed with major depression, bipolar disorder, and most recently PTSD. All true within the System but not helpful. Hurtful, actually, as I took them as a condemnation.
Farming, getting my hands in the soil, planting seeds and growing food, connecting with nature, the love of animal pets, got me through. I love to pet!
As I spiral slowly upward, through the darkness and then through the light, the view from each higher turn brings wisdom. With all its twists, turns and traps, life is precious!
Oxytocin is what kicks in when one feels an ‘attraction’ (sexual or otherwise) to another…allows one to loosen up a bit and pursue that ‘attraction’.
It often is referred to as the ‘love’ or ‘cuddle’ hormone. Sadly I think many people (all ages of adults), are lacking in this ‘hormone’ nowadays. They have lost the desire or need for touch and connection with and from another human being.
There was a writer who grew up in a remote place, near a small mountain stroke by clouds there was his green meadow of flowers, crickets, toads, laurel trees, and doves dancing on laurel branches, playing with the Sun and the Moon, and small hawks spying on the doves and the dragonflies and the rabbits and everything tasty. The kiddo loved it in his little town between heaven and earth.
The boy became a verseless poet, and then he was punished with the study of Laws, for the juvenile crime of asking too much of life.
A streak of unluck sent the young lawyer to the Capital, where he became rejected in many places, harmonious result of his loathing for being an attorney or teacher.
He wound up as a journalist, a chronicler of preternatural parliamentary sessions. The money earned writing erudite jokes about politicians he would spend in entertainment: theater, and drinks, and literary parties, and more drinks, and learning languages, and a few sweets.
The days he got frozen, he would travel back using imagination to his old town, and to the wild life nearby. He traveled where his soul was standing, perceiving everything quietly.
Then, he wrote books, and he got a good success, and found himself surrounded with hawkish literary fans, and he didn't like being observed for further yummy works of art, and so he froze many times after that.
He wasn't sad, he was just being poetic!
He lived many years, and saw many horrors, and went to exile for sorrow not for safety, and lived many years, and to his chagrin he got many admirers and a couple of students, and taught his future readers to seek solace in slow and true things.
-------
I have great envy for people who learned young there is such a thing as a source of safety. That's the greatest treasure: an infancy that Freud would consider boring.
There is no way to make any business out of such people!
"Since when has America become the sickest society on planet earth?" was a question asked by a pharmacist in the documentary 'Marketing Madness" or "Making a Killing!" both exposes of the corrupt mechanism by which big pharma operate in America. You are a culture obsessed with identifying existing problems but are clueless as to either the cause or the final outcome. The problem lies in centuries of inter -generational pathetic parenting at best, abusive at worst which has its' origins at the very inception of the US as a nation. Its' Declaration of Independence and its constitution, replete with lofty moral concepts is something to be proud of; but do they live up to those ideals? Impossible! for a nation with your history. The scum of Europe (mainly Brits) invaded a foreign land and commenced a near genocide on the indigenous population and profited greatly from the Atlantic slave trade. And by having stubbornly refused to fully acknowledge (which minimally translates as full monetary compensation) your historical evil deeds. you stand as a Nation with a huge debt in the moral stakes department! Your failure to live up to basic moral values which should compel you to fulfill this obligation is the reason America is suffering today!
Thank you Ms. Farber, for this amazing interview. Freezing does occur with dissociative disorder and I believe the world we live in can cause a spike in behavioral changes such as an inability to move forward or it manifests as slow functioning to a resolution (through a problem to get to a suitable remedy).
I never imagined in 2014 my own personal curiosity would lead down so many dark rabbit holes. I reflect on this when pondering how I ended up here, FROZEN in the trauma of noticing strange anomalies and coincidences. In 2014 I stumbled across the fire at the IRON MOUNTAIN facility in Buenos Aires. At least nine community firefighters and rescue workers were killed when the wall of a burning warehouse collapsed on top of them, officials said. The wall fell as firefighters were using an electric saw to cut through a huge iron gate at the warehouse, which housed archival bank records. The private firefighters employed by IRON MOUNTAIN were suspiciously not present though they are supposed to be providing 24/7 fire protection to client data. I learned about the DEAD banksters soon after. That list is filled with strange suicides, overdoses and accidents. Wild stuff. I was living in manhattan at the time and was reading about local banker deaths. Two upper east side jumpers and a messy downtown overdose. The DEAD wholistic doctors were being reported on the anonymous posting boards of that time. More suicides and accidental deaths. I recently have been reading about DEAD inventors. Brilliant people who died suddenly (or were suicided) only to have their revolutionary patents “disappeared”. I stopped thinking about DEAD friends of the Clinton’s when the list was eclipsed by the DEAD big pharma, big healthcare murders (Barry and Honey Sherman, John and Joyce Sheridan, and the courageous Brandy Vaughn, who tried to warn all). But that was yesterday. Today we have DEAD Vaxed athletes, DEAD Vaxed drummers, DEAD Vaxed mothers, children and infants. DEAD vaxed zoo animals. DEAD airline pilots and passengers. My personal list of DEAD or Vaccine injured family members and friends continues to grow, daily. So many crimes, so much suffering. So much TRAUMA. I am FROZEN and navigating the tundra. Weaving amongst the willful denialists. The video helped. Thank you. May the Holy Spirit continue to guide us all as the evil amongst us are exposed. We truly are living in the matrix.
The Finnish barely speak because their language is too damn difficult and they are always afraid of not declining nouns rightely.
I came up with that conclusion after a shallow research on their language. Fifteen cases I've found mentioned: nominative, accusative, genitive, ablative, allative, elative, illative, translative, essive, abessive, adessive, inessive, instructive, comitative sekä partitive.
(sekä means and)
Perhaps all that nightmare of a noun system would create big opportunities in comedy. But no, no one has ever heard of a standup comedian in Finland. In that country, they don't start jokes, they Finnish them.
Now, one might think that with so much confusion of tongues the excessively conscious Finns would simply develop intution and just read each others minds, which would make them the most romantic people on the flat earth.
But I'm told that not only they are afraid of their own Babilonian-spawned language, they are also afraid of germs and the animals that ferry them, so they also keep their distance at all times, fighting cold with cold.
We conclude that Finland is clearly a Nation ruled by Platonic love.
(at this moment agent Roger23 received a call in his shoe, and someone told him to stop making jokes before causing a diplomatic conflict)
Oxytocin is what kicks in when one feels an ‘attraction’ (sexual or otherwise) to another…allows one to loosen up a bit and pursue that ‘attraction’.
It often is referred to as the ‘love’ or ‘cuddle’ hormone. Sadly I think many people (all ages of adults), are lacking in this ‘hormone’ nowadays. They have lost the desire or need for touch and connection with and from another human being.
Interestingly, on this topic, AI generated the following commentary: "Despite the difficulties and hardships he faced, Paul remained joyful and optimistic, knowing that he was serving the Lord and that his ultimate goal was to glorify God."
It occurred to me some days ago how similar the field of psychology is to virology. Do we really know anything about the workings of the mind?
Gabor Mate snd his don fo a 10 hour very reasonably priced seminar about healingvyhe rift betweenbparents and chikdren in which earlier traumas of many kinds often missed, causes reactive responses in situations mirroring or even slightly similar in some ways to thise original traumatic situations and its not just huge ones like warsvv c or physical and sexual sbuse. Our cukture itself is so toxic often separatingbourselves grom whovwe really truly are. Dr. Ron Robbins developed a one sesdion panic attack cure based on linking certain body movements tovthose earlier events snd then processing thrm out to render them integrated with resctivity gone. I have exoetienced this snd its reslly dramatic to say the least. The panic attacks sre just totally no longer there invthose circumstances thst used to trigger the panic. https://schrittweise.cc/Ron_Robbins_Artikel.PDF
Oh! Rick Hanson is great! I highly recommend his work to anyone interested in neuroplasticity and just, in general, being a calmer, more grounded, and happier human. Hardwiring Happiness was the first book of his I read and I recently read his latest, Resilient, that he co-authored with his son, Forrest, who hosts this broadcast you discovered. If you liked this discussion, there are many more conversations where this came from; and in all of the ones I've watched thus far, I always find something of great interest and worth to contemplate.
The use of the bio-identical hormone Oxytocin should be very helpful with this condition. It blocks inappropriate fear and anxiety from getting in the emotional center of the brain and helps the brain process, so the more oxytocin you use the less you need to use it.
It is not for pregnant women or those currently addicted to opioids as it will put those individuals into withdrawals, but otherwise very benign intervention and very powerful... kicks in in 30 seconds.
Oxytocin is what kicks in when one feels an ‘attraction’ (sexual or otherwise) to another…allows one to loosen up a bit and pursue that ‘attraction’.
It often is referred to as the ‘love’ or ‘cuddle’ hormone. Sadly I think many people (all ages of adults), are lacking in this ‘hormone’ nowadays. They have lost the desire or need for touch and connection with and from another human being.
I don't know, Celia. I read the interview you did with the professor from University of Wisconsin and I've been thinking about it all week. I love your Substack and the zoom community you created; you are a marvelous touchstone. I always wanted to be a writer--since I was a kid. wrote in 4th grade and continued steadily until I hit 40. I hated the fact that I stopped wanting to writer--since stank of failure, or, more to the point, it felt like surrender. The problem wasn't always that I had nothing to say; it's that I had no one to say it to. I couldn't imagine an audience. And I still write now and again, and I often feel--overwhelmed, I guess. I have a lot of notions, but I'm not so convinced that I'm right. But, it is okay. When the muse hits, it hits. And your posts always interest me, and I thank you for it all. Please take that to heart.
Dear Celia,
I will watch the video a little later but, as someone who has “frozen” since my painful childhood, I wanted to offer you this:
You are so much more than enough. If you never posted another article or campaigned for another cause or signed another petition, your very BEING is a blessing to this Earth. In my humble opinion, you hold space in the world for compassion and integrity and vulnerability. A blessing.
Thank you so much, Samuel. Tears in my eyes.
I accidently clicked "send" before completing my response. Flight and fawn were helpful survival tools. I didn't fight. I stuffed my rage emotionally and mentally decided I was wrong and bad. It was all my fault. I was frozen in depression much of the time, about six months out of every year, from October/November to March/April. Every year of my life as far as I can discern or remember. But, aha, my fawning practice and acting ability paid off– I was able to fake ok'ness quite well. I was deeply ashamed of my "mental illness" and it was imperative to put a smile on my face and hide the absolute despair I was stuck in. Nothing else worked– not concoctions of psychiatric drugs, not retreats and workshops, not psychotherapy, not spirituality. FROZEN! I was diagnosed with major depression, bipolar disorder, and most recently PTSD. All true within the System but not helpful. Hurtful, actually, as I took them as a condemnation.
Farming, getting my hands in the soil, planting seeds and growing food, connecting with nature, the love of animal pets, got me through. I love to pet!
As I spiral slowly upward, through the darkness and then through the light, the view from each higher turn brings wisdom. With all its twists, turns and traps, life is precious!
Connecting with nature (soil, trees, sunshine, etc) can make a world of difference. It really does help us heal emotionally, mentally and physically.
Oxytocin is what kicks in when one feels an ‘attraction’ (sexual or otherwise) to another…allows one to loosen up a bit and pursue that ‘attraction’.
It often is referred to as the ‘love’ or ‘cuddle’ hormone. Sadly I think many people (all ages of adults), are lacking in this ‘hormone’ nowadays. They have lost the desire or need for touch and connection with and from another human being.
https://www.health.harvard.edu/mind-and-mood/oxytocin-the-love-hormone
I must have plenty of that hormone. I love love and cuddle and it always feels good except when I'm in freeze.
This substack is awesome about trauma etc
https://garysharpe.substack.com/p/self-alienation-fragmentation-and?utm_source=%2Finbox&utm_medium=reader2
Source of safety.
There was a writer who grew up in a remote place, near a small mountain stroke by clouds there was his green meadow of flowers, crickets, toads, laurel trees, and doves dancing on laurel branches, playing with the Sun and the Moon, and small hawks spying on the doves and the dragonflies and the rabbits and everything tasty. The kiddo loved it in his little town between heaven and earth.
The boy became a verseless poet, and then he was punished with the study of Laws, for the juvenile crime of asking too much of life.
A streak of unluck sent the young lawyer to the Capital, where he became rejected in many places, harmonious result of his loathing for being an attorney or teacher.
He wound up as a journalist, a chronicler of preternatural parliamentary sessions. The money earned writing erudite jokes about politicians he would spend in entertainment: theater, and drinks, and literary parties, and more drinks, and learning languages, and a few sweets.
The days he got frozen, he would travel back using imagination to his old town, and to the wild life nearby. He traveled where his soul was standing, perceiving everything quietly.
Then, he wrote books, and he got a good success, and found himself surrounded with hawkish literary fans, and he didn't like being observed for further yummy works of art, and so he froze many times after that.
He wasn't sad, he was just being poetic!
He lived many years, and saw many horrors, and went to exile for sorrow not for safety, and lived many years, and to his chagrin he got many admirers and a couple of students, and taught his future readers to seek solace in slow and true things.
-------
I have great envy for people who learned young there is such a thing as a source of safety. That's the greatest treasure: an infancy that Freud would consider boring.
There is no way to make any business out of such people!
"Since when has America become the sickest society on planet earth?" was a question asked by a pharmacist in the documentary 'Marketing Madness" or "Making a Killing!" both exposes of the corrupt mechanism by which big pharma operate in America. You are a culture obsessed with identifying existing problems but are clueless as to either the cause or the final outcome. The problem lies in centuries of inter -generational pathetic parenting at best, abusive at worst which has its' origins at the very inception of the US as a nation. Its' Declaration of Independence and its constitution, replete with lofty moral concepts is something to be proud of; but do they live up to those ideals? Impossible! for a nation with your history. The scum of Europe (mainly Brits) invaded a foreign land and commenced a near genocide on the indigenous population and profited greatly from the Atlantic slave trade. And by having stubbornly refused to fully acknowledge (which minimally translates as full monetary compensation) your historical evil deeds. you stand as a Nation with a huge debt in the moral stakes department! Your failure to live up to basic moral values which should compel you to fulfill this obligation is the reason America is suffering today!
Thank you Ms. Farber, for this amazing interview. Freezing does occur with dissociative disorder and I believe the world we live in can cause a spike in behavioral changes such as an inability to move forward or it manifests as slow functioning to a resolution (through a problem to get to a suitable remedy).
I never imagined in 2014 my own personal curiosity would lead down so many dark rabbit holes. I reflect on this when pondering how I ended up here, FROZEN in the trauma of noticing strange anomalies and coincidences. In 2014 I stumbled across the fire at the IRON MOUNTAIN facility in Buenos Aires. At least nine community firefighters and rescue workers were killed when the wall of a burning warehouse collapsed on top of them, officials said. The wall fell as firefighters were using an electric saw to cut through a huge iron gate at the warehouse, which housed archival bank records. The private firefighters employed by IRON MOUNTAIN were suspiciously not present though they are supposed to be providing 24/7 fire protection to client data. I learned about the DEAD banksters soon after. That list is filled with strange suicides, overdoses and accidents. Wild stuff. I was living in manhattan at the time and was reading about local banker deaths. Two upper east side jumpers and a messy downtown overdose. The DEAD wholistic doctors were being reported on the anonymous posting boards of that time. More suicides and accidental deaths. I recently have been reading about DEAD inventors. Brilliant people who died suddenly (or were suicided) only to have their revolutionary patents “disappeared”. I stopped thinking about DEAD friends of the Clinton’s when the list was eclipsed by the DEAD big pharma, big healthcare murders (Barry and Honey Sherman, John and Joyce Sheridan, and the courageous Brandy Vaughn, who tried to warn all). But that was yesterday. Today we have DEAD Vaxed athletes, DEAD Vaxed drummers, DEAD Vaxed mothers, children and infants. DEAD vaxed zoo animals. DEAD airline pilots and passengers. My personal list of DEAD or Vaccine injured family members and friends continues to grow, daily. So many crimes, so much suffering. So much TRAUMA. I am FROZEN and navigating the tundra. Weaving amongst the willful denialists. The video helped. Thank you. May the Holy Spirit continue to guide us all as the evil amongst us are exposed. We truly are living in the matrix.
The Finnish barely speak because their language is too damn difficult and they are always afraid of not declining nouns rightely.
I came up with that conclusion after a shallow research on their language. Fifteen cases I've found mentioned: nominative, accusative, genitive, ablative, allative, elative, illative, translative, essive, abessive, adessive, inessive, instructive, comitative sekä partitive.
(sekä means and)
Perhaps all that nightmare of a noun system would create big opportunities in comedy. But no, no one has ever heard of a standup comedian in Finland. In that country, they don't start jokes, they Finnish them.
Now, one might think that with so much confusion of tongues the excessively conscious Finns would simply develop intution and just read each others minds, which would make them the most romantic people on the flat earth.
But I'm told that not only they are afraid of their own Babilonian-spawned language, they are also afraid of germs and the animals that ferry them, so they also keep their distance at all times, fighting cold with cold.
We conclude that Finland is clearly a Nation ruled by Platonic love.
(at this moment agent Roger23 received a call in his shoe, and someone told him to stop making jokes before causing a diplomatic conflict)
What on earth?!?
It's pretty funny, though.
Fight, flight, freeze or fawn. I loved Bambi! I could not fight my father but I could fawn my mother. Flee to the abandoned hill farm in Appalachia.
Introduction to The Buddhist Enneagram book by Susan Piver, in bite-sized videos. Watch first 3 in order for best benefit. https://openheartproject.com/introduction-to-the-enneagram-2/
Oxytocin is what kicks in when one feels an ‘attraction’ (sexual or otherwise) to another…allows one to loosen up a bit and pursue that ‘attraction’.
It often is referred to as the ‘love’ or ‘cuddle’ hormone. Sadly I think many people (all ages of adults), are lacking in this ‘hormone’ nowadays. They have lost the desire or need for touch and connection with and from another human being.
https://www.health.harvard.edu/mind-and-mood/oxytocin-the-love-hormone
Interestingly, on this topic, AI generated the following commentary: "Despite the difficulties and hardships he faced, Paul remained joyful and optimistic, knowing that he was serving the Lord and that his ultimate goal was to glorify God."
It occurred to me some days ago how similar the field of psychology is to virology. Do we really know anything about the workings of the mind?
Gabor Mate snd his don fo a 10 hour very reasonably priced seminar about healingvyhe rift betweenbparents and chikdren in which earlier traumas of many kinds often missed, causes reactive responses in situations mirroring or even slightly similar in some ways to thise original traumatic situations and its not just huge ones like warsvv c or physical and sexual sbuse. Our cukture itself is so toxic often separatingbourselves grom whovwe really truly are. Dr. Ron Robbins developed a one sesdion panic attack cure based on linking certain body movements tovthose earlier events snd then processing thrm out to render them integrated with resctivity gone. I have exoetienced this snd its reslly dramatic to say the least. The panic attacks sre just totally no longer there invthose circumstances thst used to trigger the panic. https://schrittweise.cc/Ron_Robbins_Artikel.PDF
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Oh! Rick Hanson is great! I highly recommend his work to anyone interested in neuroplasticity and just, in general, being a calmer, more grounded, and happier human. Hardwiring Happiness was the first book of his I read and I recently read his latest, Resilient, that he co-authored with his son, Forrest, who hosts this broadcast you discovered. If you liked this discussion, there are many more conversations where this came from; and in all of the ones I've watched thus far, I always find something of great interest and worth to contemplate.
The use of the bio-identical hormone Oxytocin should be very helpful with this condition. It blocks inappropriate fear and anxiety from getting in the emotional center of the brain and helps the brain process, so the more oxytocin you use the less you need to use it.
It is not for pregnant women or those currently addicted to opioids as it will put those individuals into withdrawals, but otherwise very benign intervention and very powerful... kicks in in 30 seconds.
I wrote a little booklet on the hormone: https://www.amazon.com/Oxytocin-Hormone-Healing-Hope/dp/1475139217/ref=sr_1_1?crid=R0PBP6UVZP3Y&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.nVH-0ZHiwMK24iLQOAvAyYXS8aDBfNDQMk5XoB2zZChZ2fbGnaoF3WvwzIKXKI8P5t-QbXfiluQdnGoFOF7T-7SWAovCwpqh7KSWdx6w7hxc4zPw56zAhNbJEtMUWYZppgXLvFMphlZCc6GityQ155Z3NEqxqFTMJV5DxK3PlJAp0c81nNBwA7myWpGWDrtbVA1ZdIGnu4azbsmFpVa4UNtYei_I2ulikFTXVsXUv9E.ZNa69Vx1itd3qakK16jhRA0blJQshY5C48fobIKHwe8&dib_tag=se&keywords=oxytocin+the+hormone+of+healing+and+hope&qid=1715370777&sprefix=oxytocin+the+hormone+of+healing+and+hope%2Caps%2C168&sr=8-1
Oxytocin is what kicks in when one feels an ‘attraction’ (sexual or otherwise) to another…allows one to loosen up a bit and pursue that ‘attraction’.
It often is referred to as the ‘love’ or ‘cuddle’ hormone. Sadly I think many people (all ages of adults), are lacking in this ‘hormone’ nowadays. They have lost the desire or need for touch and connection with and from another human being.
https://www.health.harvard.edu/mind-and-mood/oxytocin-the-love-hormone
I can sense you are not much of a Cowanist.
Dare I recommend drinking half a shot glass of kerosene each morning as a carbon supplement for emergencies of decabornization?
PTSD: Time To Heal, by Cathy O’Brien- www.TRANCE-FORMATION.com/books
To ensure the integrity received, look for TRANCE Formation of America.
I don't know, Celia. I read the interview you did with the professor from University of Wisconsin and I've been thinking about it all week. I love your Substack and the zoom community you created; you are a marvelous touchstone. I always wanted to be a writer--since I was a kid. wrote in 4th grade and continued steadily until I hit 40. I hated the fact that I stopped wanting to writer--since stank of failure, or, more to the point, it felt like surrender. The problem wasn't always that I had nothing to say; it's that I had no one to say it to. I couldn't imagine an audience. And I still write now and again, and I often feel--overwhelmed, I guess. I have a lot of notions, but I'm not so convinced that I'm right. But, it is okay. When the muse hits, it hits. And your posts always interest me, and I thank you for it all. Please take that to heart.