You make good points. As a former MD and Immunologist, who also had “Covid”, I believe there is/was a virus that is essentially a re-branded flu, hyped to hysteria by media/globalists/big pharma, all with overlapping agendas. I also believe 5G can and will exacerbate it and the graphene oxide laden jabs.
Great analysis. I am in favor getting down to the nitty gritty of the "viral vs. non-viral debate" as this progresses. By all means!
But millions of lives are at stake now, and the preventative measures which could have saved 85% of these cases, as unnecessary deaths commenced, are powerful arguments. McCullough boldly identifies this as premeditated, and a deliberate act to a "railroad the population into mass vaccination" This is Mass Murder!
It's important to remember that until very recently, these folks were 100% still in the matrix. I view the apostates as critical allies and cut them a little slack when they fail to talk about virus isolation, or follow the trail of vaccine lies going back to polio and smallpox. I've heard Dr. Malone occasionally make a comment about "protecting the elderly", or reminisce about the time Ebola was looming large, and he got the call to head some task force to fight it. OK, whatever. Robert Malone is doing an incredible amount of good. He and McCullough are all over the place, physically and virtually, fighting this, at great cost to themselves, There's a special place in heaven for them, even if they never stop to ask the question about virus isolation. Which they may yet still do - they are, like the rest of us, on a journey,
No'one goes from complete trust in doctors to "there is no virus". Not even in normal circumstances. Doing it while in fear and bombarded with propaganda - you may as well talk to them about the tooth fairy.
Let people make the move one step at a time. I like Cowan but think his idealist attitude is a personal choice - maybe he can't face going along with the untruth that there is a virus, which is fine and I respect - but it's not necessarily useful. Let's all do what we think is our own personal way of fighting the battle - based on our own knowledge and who we interact with - and let the truth come out how Life wants it too.
thanks for all your efforts Celia. Its so tricky. From my research and proximity to Drs. Cowan and Kaufman and Stefan Lanka in Germany (a little more difficult to understand his english but love his energy and his proofs) I do keep coming back to there are no virus's. If we go from there, then everything falls down. Dr Tom consistently says the humans get sick from toxicity, starvation and injury. When I apply this to my own life and that of my family, this seems to bear out. When we get sick, when our bodies are so toxic that there is cellular breakdown, fevers, mucous, coughing etc., we have these symptoms. They are fairly standard. So currently the levels of toxicity are increasing, as well as over vaccine use (since 1986) How many are now required for our children to attend public school (speaking of money)? Glyphosate in our water, air and food, still don't know what those trails are in the sky - everyday where I live in upstate NY and then the sky goes sort of beige. Theres certainly much we don't know. Dr. McCullough hits on some very important points and he's not sensational which I appreciate. So these various medicines and herbs and possibly supplements can help with the detoxing which is what getting "sick" really is. This summer many of us in a cluster were diagnosed with Lyme. I'm not so sure- our symptoms were very close to what people think this alleged virus is. Same symptoms. We took anti parasitic herbs and detoxifiers. So I'm back to poisoning. As well, living in the world right now is quite painful for everyone whether you are in the mass psychosis or standing outside of it whispering but but there's no virus. People are sick and dying from a corporate/medical military cartel, that pollutes with abandon, cares nothing for humanity, and according to McCullough, blocked doctors and their patients from getting help. Many people need to be held responsible for this. I will listen to the rest of it now.
I had a similar discussion with a co-admin of a Telegram channel--I am for making Cowan, Kaufman and Lanka the leading actors, while using McCullough, Robert Malone and the like (his go-to guys) very selectively as a supporting cast, especially when they warn against the jabs, and when they don't muddy that message with misinformation about Wuhan, viruses & variants, PCR tests and other facets of the delusion.
My wariness with posting from the support cast stems from where this narrative may be heading: a confrontation with or acute antagonism toward China in the event that, for example, they turn up the 5G to a deadly level where masses of people would die. This would no doubt be blamed on a lethal new variant of the gain-of-function, escaped Wuhan virus. I can see this dialectic building toward a WW3 scenario.
McCullough & Co's narrative opens a pandora's box which will be hard to close later. So my stance with my co-admin is that we nip the virus narrative in the bud and stick with the unadulterated truth of Cowan et al, even though this may reduce the initial audience. But persistently and consistently presenting this narrative will grow to a substantial segment of fervent converts invigorated by the whole truth, not a semi-scared lot imbued with half truths who will fall for the next deception around the corner. Cheers.
Dr. Stefan Lanka (viruses are not pathogenic) and Dr. Peter McCullough (accepts the general pathogenic theory and has successfully used prophylactic treatments for the ill) are not mutually exclusive, nor are the hypotheses of terrain vs germ. If we consider that viruses are essential symbiotics within a healthy immune system (innate and adaptive), serve as gatekeepers to the human genome (30% human DNA is said to be viral), and can even function as a type of cellular language directing immune response within the virome, their presence (and hence association) with disease/imbalance is understandable. They are flags that mark the spot and may well be director generals that coordinate foot soldiers and canons (killer lymphocytes) against an enemy. We have much to learn, and humility is the first rule of good science, as it is in good religion.
If we accept further the likelihood that viruses can and have been weaponized, and lab synthesized, to carry cytotoxic payloads (CRISPR-CAS9 hack-coded mRNA bits to convert a normal cell into an IPSc, "software for life" Moderna calls it) then we have a scenario where normal law abiding "civilians", or to keep to our analogy above, possibly even "4 star generals", are unwittingly now carrying "bombs" walking down the trafficked streets of the immune system.
Add to this the ringing anew of the eugenic bells and the detailed planning and modeling of Dark Winter, Clade X, et al., which are prepared to leverage each "explosion" -- that is, small spikes in real IFR, or even perceived "cases" based on high CT RT-PCR (which are as good as the real thing when it hits the media-massaged waves of mainstream media) then it becomes obvious that the water of science has been mingled with the spirits of political and financial power.
But you are absolutely right. The forked narrative has not been looked at honestly and so we must revisit the issue of isolation. Sampled bits of viral genome filled in with snippets of math modeling to give us a SARS-COV-2 profile is troubling. If this model then becomes "the" causal baseline for "the Great COVID" as disease, the dialing in of RT-PCR (really they just look for the e gene, common to all in the corona group), and the backbone to the identification and tracking of variants (that differ less than 1% from the math model, and do not escape naturally acquired corss-immunity) it all becomes an illogical line of reasoning that hurts the rational brain. Is the math model a cover-up of the real code, a hacked code, a sinister hand? Or, is it mere best-guess science?
"I don’t see why one can’t learn from somebody who holds a different position. I was certainly baffled why McCullough thinks there is a virus, but I also am baffled by people who seem to conclude there is no syndrome sending people to the hospital."
I'm not baffled myself. Neither is Jon Rappoport, who wrote a blog post addressing those who say "But, but, but... people are dying."
Tom Cowan expresses frustration at the illogical position that many take that the existence of the Sars CoV 2 virus is unimportant. Andrew Kaufman echoes that sentiment. (The video link follows. It's along video.) It's illogical 'among other things'. If you are a professional in the health care field and don't know that Sars CoV 2 hasn't been isolated - proven to exist - then you should get into other work. I don't believe that people like Peter Mcullough don't know, which colors the situation 'sinister' in my view. If you lie to me, I have no interest in anything else you have to say.
Oh boy! I wrote my 1st posts in this thread in response to other posts without either a. hearing the interview or b. reading your post - which I just did!
i could not agree more! Along the way I have tried enlighten friends and family to the inconsistencies in the narrative and nonsense in the "Science" (Nonscience™️) and the very early things I found about Fauci at the beginning. All the while sending any treatment protocols I knew of if I discovered someone I knew to be ill.
It frustrated me that PM would not answer the burning question repeatedly but then he laid it bare. I think both he is protecting someone and also afraid for himself. I've only just gotten to that point in the interview.
It so saddened me to see a friend's social media post just today of her 10 year old's 1st injection. This is someone I went over the Cormen Drosten review with in person and I was not articulate or convincing enough to penetrate the fear (Nor do I really hold very much influence in their lives TBH).
Thank you to PM for coming right out and stating this is a coordinated effort to get everyone vaccinated.
Thank you for posting. Since the beginning of the "pandemic," I have relied on opinions of many doctors and scientists that I felt were being truthful, and Dr. McCullough was one of them. I think he seems like an honest and kind human being that only wants to help people.
Does anyone remember Dr. Zelenko in an interview stating something to the effect that he does believe that there is a covid virus? I don't want to put words in his mouth, but I seem to remember him saying that tests showed that his patients did not have influenza A or influenza B, so therefore there had to be another virus, which must be covid... or something like that.
My father had the low oxygen and other covid symptoms years ago.
They couldn't find out what caused it... He got better after a few days in the hospital.
Recently, saw an interview with a South African doctor who said that this low oxygen condition with ground glass responded to allergy treatments.
I also read a study that showed a correlation between the flu shot and those who had bad covid in 2020. Hmm... Vaccines do cause allergies.... Hmm my father used to get the yearly useless garbage flu shot...
Hmm.. not to mention the other toxins like glysophate in our food.
Oh and most Americans are deficient in vitamin D, especially bad in winter low sun.
I just had Dr William Trebing, author of Goodbye Germ Theory, published 2004, over my house the other day and we did a live broadcast. it was my 1st, but i think it went well besides some audio trailing off a little bit here and there. But, yeah, im coming to that understanding myself, I don't know if the public can cope with the 'no virus' aspect YET. I hope, but it may take a bit. anyway, keep it up, i appreciate you!
The remarks are understood and accepted. I agree with the basic thrust of them. However, people like Cowan and Kaufman are being insulted and demeaned by the people like McCullough (not meaning him explicitly as I don't know if his is a culprit) and Cowan said recently, having insulted/demeaned nobody from that camp, that he is about to affirmatively respond. So people like McCullough are in the old divide and conquer posture. Invoking Cowan's charging money for a (small) portion of his content or Rudolph Steiner is, however, rather ad hominem. After all, this site has a subscription page and Steiner says many intelligent things (and Cowan is not a disciple of Steiner or anthroposophy, even if he likes some of the ideas). As to ivermectin and the like, there are no new viral diseases, just what we've always had--various toxins, parasites and other poisons. Sofia Smallstorm recently cited a scientific friend of hers who said that if you took literally everything off the face of the earth, you would be left with an outline of everything in the form of nematodes, a parasite that is everywhere. Not saying this is the explanation for the apparent effectiveness of ivermectin, but perhaps...
Exactly. Why are anti-parasite drugs effective. I have always wondered why an anti-malarial e.g. HCQ - was effective? There is something there. Are people who experience the symptoms experiencing a parasite infestation?
McCullough is using the tools ordained by his high priesthood position in order to warn against the vaccine. His apparent disregard for terrain theory can be called a necessary evil. McCullogh is far too smart to ignore the GIANT red-Pill but refrains from engaging the beast in order to expedite an immediate cure to the weaponized injection that has nothing to do with a vaccine of virus cure. Acceptance of Terrain Theory is a major nightmare for the the poison needle cult.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvkjAJy7s5w&t=98s
You make good points. As a former MD and Immunologist, who also had “Covid”, I believe there is/was a virus that is essentially a re-branded flu, hyped to hysteria by media/globalists/big pharma, all with overlapping agendas. I also believe 5G can and will exacerbate it and the graphene oxide laden jabs.
Great analysis. I am in favor getting down to the nitty gritty of the "viral vs. non-viral debate" as this progresses. By all means!
But millions of lives are at stake now, and the preventative measures which could have saved 85% of these cases, as unnecessary deaths commenced, are powerful arguments. McCullough boldly identifies this as premeditated, and a deliberate act to a "railroad the population into mass vaccination" This is Mass Murder!
It's important to remember that until very recently, these folks were 100% still in the matrix. I view the apostates as critical allies and cut them a little slack when they fail to talk about virus isolation, or follow the trail of vaccine lies going back to polio and smallpox. I've heard Dr. Malone occasionally make a comment about "protecting the elderly", or reminisce about the time Ebola was looming large, and he got the call to head some task force to fight it. OK, whatever. Robert Malone is doing an incredible amount of good. He and McCullough are all over the place, physically and virtually, fighting this, at great cost to themselves, There's a special place in heaven for them, even if they never stop to ask the question about virus isolation. Which they may yet still do - they are, like the rest of us, on a journey,
No'one goes from complete trust in doctors to "there is no virus". Not even in normal circumstances. Doing it while in fear and bombarded with propaganda - you may as well talk to them about the tooth fairy.
Let people make the move one step at a time. I like Cowan but think his idealist attitude is a personal choice - maybe he can't face going along with the untruth that there is a virus, which is fine and I respect - but it's not necessarily useful. Let's all do what we think is our own personal way of fighting the battle - based on our own knowledge and who we interact with - and let the truth come out how Life wants it too.
thanks for all your efforts Celia. Its so tricky. From my research and proximity to Drs. Cowan and Kaufman and Stefan Lanka in Germany (a little more difficult to understand his english but love his energy and his proofs) I do keep coming back to there are no virus's. If we go from there, then everything falls down. Dr Tom consistently says the humans get sick from toxicity, starvation and injury. When I apply this to my own life and that of my family, this seems to bear out. When we get sick, when our bodies are so toxic that there is cellular breakdown, fevers, mucous, coughing etc., we have these symptoms. They are fairly standard. So currently the levels of toxicity are increasing, as well as over vaccine use (since 1986) How many are now required for our children to attend public school (speaking of money)? Glyphosate in our water, air and food, still don't know what those trails are in the sky - everyday where I live in upstate NY and then the sky goes sort of beige. Theres certainly much we don't know. Dr. McCullough hits on some very important points and he's not sensational which I appreciate. So these various medicines and herbs and possibly supplements can help with the detoxing which is what getting "sick" really is. This summer many of us in a cluster were diagnosed with Lyme. I'm not so sure- our symptoms were very close to what people think this alleged virus is. Same symptoms. We took anti parasitic herbs and detoxifiers. So I'm back to poisoning. As well, living in the world right now is quite painful for everyone whether you are in the mass psychosis or standing outside of it whispering but but there's no virus. People are sick and dying from a corporate/medical military cartel, that pollutes with abandon, cares nothing for humanity, and according to McCullough, blocked doctors and their patients from getting help. Many people need to be held responsible for this. I will listen to the rest of it now.
I had a similar discussion with a co-admin of a Telegram channel--I am for making Cowan, Kaufman and Lanka the leading actors, while using McCullough, Robert Malone and the like (his go-to guys) very selectively as a supporting cast, especially when they warn against the jabs, and when they don't muddy that message with misinformation about Wuhan, viruses & variants, PCR tests and other facets of the delusion.
My wariness with posting from the support cast stems from where this narrative may be heading: a confrontation with or acute antagonism toward China in the event that, for example, they turn up the 5G to a deadly level where masses of people would die. This would no doubt be blamed on a lethal new variant of the gain-of-function, escaped Wuhan virus. I can see this dialectic building toward a WW3 scenario.
McCullough & Co's narrative opens a pandora's box which will be hard to close later. So my stance with my co-admin is that we nip the virus narrative in the bud and stick with the unadulterated truth of Cowan et al, even though this may reduce the initial audience. But persistently and consistently presenting this narrative will grow to a substantial segment of fervent converts invigorated by the whole truth, not a semi-scared lot imbued with half truths who will fall for the next deception around the corner. Cheers.
Science moves forward by the work of "deniers".
Dr. Stefan Lanka (viruses are not pathogenic) and Dr. Peter McCullough (accepts the general pathogenic theory and has successfully used prophylactic treatments for the ill) are not mutually exclusive, nor are the hypotheses of terrain vs germ. If we consider that viruses are essential symbiotics within a healthy immune system (innate and adaptive), serve as gatekeepers to the human genome (30% human DNA is said to be viral), and can even function as a type of cellular language directing immune response within the virome, their presence (and hence association) with disease/imbalance is understandable. They are flags that mark the spot and may well be director generals that coordinate foot soldiers and canons (killer lymphocytes) against an enemy. We have much to learn, and humility is the first rule of good science, as it is in good religion.
If we accept further the likelihood that viruses can and have been weaponized, and lab synthesized, to carry cytotoxic payloads (CRISPR-CAS9 hack-coded mRNA bits to convert a normal cell into an IPSc, "software for life" Moderna calls it) then we have a scenario where normal law abiding "civilians", or to keep to our analogy above, possibly even "4 star generals", are unwittingly now carrying "bombs" walking down the trafficked streets of the immune system.
Add to this the ringing anew of the eugenic bells and the detailed planning and modeling of Dark Winter, Clade X, et al., which are prepared to leverage each "explosion" -- that is, small spikes in real IFR, or even perceived "cases" based on high CT RT-PCR (which are as good as the real thing when it hits the media-massaged waves of mainstream media) then it becomes obvious that the water of science has been mingled with the spirits of political and financial power.
But you are absolutely right. The forked narrative has not been looked at honestly and so we must revisit the issue of isolation. Sampled bits of viral genome filled in with snippets of math modeling to give us a SARS-COV-2 profile is troubling. If this model then becomes "the" causal baseline for "the Great COVID" as disease, the dialing in of RT-PCR (really they just look for the e gene, common to all in the corona group), and the backbone to the identification and tracking of variants (that differ less than 1% from the math model, and do not escape naturally acquired corss-immunity) it all becomes an illogical line of reasoning that hurts the rational brain. Is the math model a cover-up of the real code, a hacked code, a sinister hand? Or, is it mere best-guess science?
Celia:
"I don’t see why one can’t learn from somebody who holds a different position. I was certainly baffled why McCullough thinks there is a virus, but I also am baffled by people who seem to conclude there is no syndrome sending people to the hospital."
I'm not baffled myself. Neither is Jon Rappoport, who wrote a blog post addressing those who say "But, but, but... people are dying."
See "Corona: Throughout history, people never died, they are dying now, therefore it must be the virus" / https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/05/21/corona-never-died-dying-now-must-be-the-virus/
Tom Cowan expresses frustration at the illogical position that many take that the existence of the Sars CoV 2 virus is unimportant. Andrew Kaufman echoes that sentiment. (The video link follows. It's along video.) It's illogical 'among other things'. If you are a professional in the health care field and don't know that Sars CoV 2 hasn't been isolated - proven to exist - then you should get into other work. I don't believe that people like Peter Mcullough don't know, which colors the situation 'sinister' in my view. If you lie to me, I have no interest in anything else you have to say.
Caring means knowing means caring.
"Debunking Virology With Dr. Thomas Cowan, Dr. Andrew Kaufman And Dr. Stefano Scoglio" / https://www.bitchute.com/video/MBJfhojUP528/
"Sars CoV 2 - The Foundation Of The Hoax" / https://www.bitchute.com/video/2zt2eRe7Z8rj/
Oh boy! I wrote my 1st posts in this thread in response to other posts without either a. hearing the interview or b. reading your post - which I just did!
i could not agree more! Along the way I have tried enlighten friends and family to the inconsistencies in the narrative and nonsense in the "Science" (Nonscience™️) and the very early things I found about Fauci at the beginning. All the while sending any treatment protocols I knew of if I discovered someone I knew to be ill.
It frustrated me that PM would not answer the burning question repeatedly but then he laid it bare. I think both he is protecting someone and also afraid for himself. I've only just gotten to that point in the interview.
It so saddened me to see a friend's social media post just today of her 10 year old's 1st injection. This is someone I went over the Cormen Drosten review with in person and I was not articulate or convincing enough to penetrate the fear (Nor do I really hold very much influence in their lives TBH).
Thank you to PM for coming right out and stating this is a coordinated effort to get everyone vaccinated.
Thank you for posting. Since the beginning of the "pandemic," I have relied on opinions of many doctors and scientists that I felt were being truthful, and Dr. McCullough was one of them. I think he seems like an honest and kind human being that only wants to help people.
Does anyone remember Dr. Zelenko in an interview stating something to the effect that he does believe that there is a covid virus? I don't want to put words in his mouth, but I seem to remember him saying that tests showed that his patients did not have influenza A or influenza B, so therefore there had to be another virus, which must be covid... or something like that.
My father had the low oxygen and other covid symptoms years ago.
They couldn't find out what caused it... He got better after a few days in the hospital.
Recently, saw an interview with a South African doctor who said that this low oxygen condition with ground glass responded to allergy treatments.
I also read a study that showed a correlation between the flu shot and those who had bad covid in 2020. Hmm... Vaccines do cause allergies.... Hmm my father used to get the yearly useless garbage flu shot...
Hmm.. not to mention the other toxins like glysophate in our food.
Oh and most Americans are deficient in vitamin D, especially bad in winter low sun.
Viruses? Pfft
https://odysee.com/@drsambailey:c/Covid-19-Fraud-and-War-on-Humanity-Part-2:7
I just had Dr William Trebing, author of Goodbye Germ Theory, published 2004, over my house the other day and we did a live broadcast. it was my 1st, but i think it went well besides some audio trailing off a little bit here and there. But, yeah, im coming to that understanding myself, I don't know if the public can cope with the 'no virus' aspect YET. I hope, but it may take a bit. anyway, keep it up, i appreciate you!
The remarks are understood and accepted. I agree with the basic thrust of them. However, people like Cowan and Kaufman are being insulted and demeaned by the people like McCullough (not meaning him explicitly as I don't know if his is a culprit) and Cowan said recently, having insulted/demeaned nobody from that camp, that he is about to affirmatively respond. So people like McCullough are in the old divide and conquer posture. Invoking Cowan's charging money for a (small) portion of his content or Rudolph Steiner is, however, rather ad hominem. After all, this site has a subscription page and Steiner says many intelligent things (and Cowan is not a disciple of Steiner or anthroposophy, even if he likes some of the ideas). As to ivermectin and the like, there are no new viral diseases, just what we've always had--various toxins, parasites and other poisons. Sofia Smallstorm recently cited a scientific friend of hers who said that if you took literally everything off the face of the earth, you would be left with an outline of everything in the form of nematodes, a parasite that is everywhere. Not saying this is the explanation for the apparent effectiveness of ivermectin, but perhaps...
Exactly. Why are anti-parasite drugs effective. I have always wondered why an anti-malarial e.g. HCQ - was effective? There is something there. Are people who experience the symptoms experiencing a parasite infestation?
McCullough is using the tools ordained by his high priesthood position in order to warn against the vaccine. His apparent disregard for terrain theory can be called a necessary evil. McCullogh is far too smart to ignore the GIANT red-Pill but refrains from engaging the beast in order to expedite an immediate cure to the weaponized injection that has nothing to do with a vaccine of virus cure. Acceptance of Terrain Theory is a major nightmare for the the poison needle cult.