Oh god... Petra Liverani often shows up on web sites such as OffGuardian, and the modus is always the same. Every nano-bite of information is "controlled opposition" "psyop" elitist conspiracy, "CIA propaganda", on and on. It would appear Petra Liverani doesn't believe anything is real. So why should we believe anything Petra Liverani has submitted as "real" proof? I rest my case...
Paul, Wouldn't you agree that as part of intellectual honesty and critical thinking housekeeping we should come back to the person whose argument we have rubbished when we realise that their argument was correct? The other day I expressed quite vehemently scepticism about an incident, the video of which I couldn't find. After seeing it and recognising its veracity I went back to the person to apologise. Omitting to do that sort of housekeeping I think allows the danger of maintaining our false opinion and blithely STEAMROLLING on with it. Or perhaps you maintain belief in the veracity of Collateral Murder?
I always put my evidence though, don't I? So rather than make empty protestations why not argue against my case? What I don't understand is why, a priori, anyone would think there wouldn't be masses of controlled opposition. Why wouldn't there be, Paul? Do you agree they want to control the information, that controlling information is of paramount importance? Or no, they don't want to do that? That's not what they're about, controlling information.
In order to control information, you have to be on both sides, don't you? It's like the rich always support both sides of the war, no one argues with that, do they?
I'm not in the least paranoid and I believe the moon landings (an astonishing achievement) which many on my side of the fence do not. I'm an objective analyst, I'm not a paranoid disbeliever, and I see no reason not to expect controlled opposition at every turn, it's simply the nature of the way they play the game and to be totally expected.
Here's real killing, Paul. This is real. We can see the fire, we can see the killing and the audio is both consistent internally so to speak and consistent with the footage. Not the same in Collateral Murder. It's all there lying hidden in plain sight, nothing "paranoid" about the simple straightforward analysis - where there's absolutely no straightforwardness though is getting people to see this very straightforward and no-reason-to-not-suspect simulation.
In this day and age it’s very hard to know what is really going on.
It’s happening now in the Gaza Strip. Some call it an Israeli 9/11. Well many people know 9/11 was staged and planes didn’t take out the towers, hell building 7 dropped in its foot print and was never hit. I don’t believe the Israeli defense would fail this bad. Their spy network is way to good. Possibly this is just a staged opening of a door to start a war with Iran. My only reasoning is the war in Ukraine is lost and the cabal band military industrial complex wants constant war??
Anyway it’s hard to connect all the dots and definitely the MSM is only propaganda. Remember the videos from China of people dropping dead in their tracks from Covid. Critical thinking is lost when our emotions are heightened
Celia, I'm afraid Collateral Murder was a fakery used by agent, Chelsea Manning, to infiltrate Wikileaks and what I find incredibly frustrating is trying to get this through to people around Julian because I'd imagine it would be helpful to his case. If Collateral Murder is a fakery what about the entire Afghan and Iraq war logs? Julian's father, John Shipton, was my neighbour in Newtown, Sydney for 13 years and we were very good friends, he was in our house all the time. I've tried to tell him but he won't have it. I don't know why it is but I'm so often in a situation where I know something is a psyop but either I simply cannot tell people because I know there's no way in hell they'd believe it and it's simply too close to home or else I tell them but they will not have it!
In 2019, I noticed the glamour photo above headlining an article about Chelsea Manning that struck me as having a lot of money behind it which seemed incongruous with her status as a treasonous leaker of important information and it occurred to me that she might be an agent assigned to infiltrate Wikileaks. I read her bio on Wikipedia and noted that it lacked credibility, particularly the claim that she downloaded 500,000 documents onto rewritable CDs labelled Lady Gaga to smuggle them through security. It then occurred to me that if she were an agent, the film, Collateral Murder, would be faked and sure enough when I watched it through the lens of likely fakery it became obvious that the audio track consists of snippets of genuine audio laid over staged footage.
There are 13 call signs in the transcript which makes little sense considering there were only two Apache helicopters which most incongruously weren't in communication with their ground crew (Ethan McCord).
The only other item I can find on the internet saying that the film is fake is shown below. Like the person on the survivalist board, I too noticed things sounding out of place from which, along with the anomalous number of call signs and ill-matched footage, I was able to deduce that the audio track was, in fact, snippets of genuine audio stitched together.
"I just stumbled across the Wikileaks video "Collateral Murder" and I have to say that I think it is a fake. The US soldiers are supposed to be firing a 30mm "cannon" at these people which in itself is creates a sense of sensationalism. Second I would think that there would be more devastation to the bodies were they to be really hit with a 30mm round. Considering that it is an anti-armor/anti-aircraft/anti-material/anti-bunker round it is going to do major damage when it hits someone. For those who don't know the size difference between something like a 9mm to a 50 cal -> 20mm -> 30mm there is a MASSIVE difference. I would think it would take off limbs or even worse were it to hit someone. JMO. Can anyone chime in?
Oh, a lot of the background talk like the rude comments, laughs etc sounded out of place as well."
But truth doesn’t always correlate with the number of people recognising it and anyone can verify for themself that the film is a fakery, I certainly don't expect anyone to believe me or survivalist guy. It's all hidden in plain sight as are all their psyops.
On this webpage is an analysis of the Collateral Murder Reuters/Wikileaks case (which we can only infer was also staged) and while the author doesn’t outright question the authenticity of the film, he questions its content. A quote:
"… I haven’t seen the attack sequences shown even though gun camera footage from other conflicts has been willingly and widely shown many times before. There isn’t even any observable blood in the footage—any episode of ‘24’ is more ‘graphic’ than this video, so why so shy?"
The answer to “Why so shy?” is that the film is faked and they decided to dispense with the blood aspect. It’s sanitised “war” Hollywood-style. If you’re going to push out faked incriminating documents you don’t want it too graphic. This kind of propaganda is purely for button-pushing purposes, not to depict the grim reality, of course.
For the rest of the post covering \Chelsea's interview with Juju Chang and links to related material:
I know of a Bradley Manning who was a traitor to his nation in uniform. The whole 'Chelsea' handle he goes by, that others indulge his mental illness by repeating is a fakery and deception in and of itself. He's a he, a him. We must live not by lies. And refuse to let a lie, the lie that he's not what God created him as, to let off our lips.
Bradley. Say his name. Or speak a knowing lie that insults God.
Chelsea is a transwoman who was formerly Bradley - nothing wrong with being transgender although I think the massive emphasis on transgenderism now is not healthy. Yes, she is a traitor to truth and to the people of the world more than her nation I'd say. Of course, her topnotch transition makeover no doubt played a role in her assignment to infiltrate Wikileaks.
Bradley is a man. Suffering from gender dysphoria, mental illness. You indulge his mental illness. You live by his lie which makes you a liar before God. When his bones are dug up by anthropologists they will know him as a man. Because he is a man. If you can't say basic truths about God's creation then nothing you say is worth believing. Absolutely nothing.
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." - Voltaire.
It's people like you and all who indulge "transwomen" who's minds are prepared to allow you to commit atrocities. Believing you're caring and compassionate in doing so. Like cheering on this man who had himself physically mutilated instead of helping him fix his mental illness.
In my earlier comment I explained that this film showed evidence of being faked for the purpose of infiltrating Wikileaks. Today, I thought I'd check out Operation Northwoods, the alleged proposed false flag operation originating within the DoD in 1962. The proposals called for CIA operatives to both stage and commit acts of terrorism against American military and civilian targets, blaming them on the Cuban government, and using it to justify a war against Cuba.
What prompted me to suspect that ON wasn't what it's purported to be is that I was reminded of it in an article of admitted conspiracies and since I first heard of ON I've become much more suspicious of anything they admit to. The most important rule in understanding psyops and how they control our minds is:
THOSE IN POWER MUST CONTROL THE INFORMATION
which means that they control it on BOTH sides
Anything "admitted to" is immediately under suspicion. ON was released to the public on November 6, 1998 not too long before 9/11. My suspicion is that this document was fabricated as a kind of predictive programming particularly aimed at the anticipated disbelievers of 9/11 to help cement in their minds that people really were killed and injured (see my post https://petraliverani.substack.com/p/911-the-false-dilemma-propaganda)
I've put it out to a couple of other hardcore psyop analysts to see what they think but this is what I've come up with so far.
1. It's stamped both Top Secret (crossed out) but then later (presumably) stamped Unclassified when you'd expect it to be stamped Declassified indicating it was once Classified information.
2. Enclosure A (p4) is simply a Memorandum with no heading "Enclosure A" ("Enclosure A" is just indicated at the bottom of the page) then there's Appendix to Enclosure A and also an Annex to Appendix to Enclosure A which all seems a bit strange. Also, what is titled Memorandum includes as text in point 1, "the attached Memorandum".
3. There's Task 33c mentioned (Masonic 333 because c is third letter of alphabet so is assigned the number 3) but no sense of what this task refers to.
4. There's a few facts listed which are titled Enclosure B - it seems like overkill to call this an enclosure.
5. My feeling is that they would NEVER in a million years reveal this kind of plan if it were real regardless of whether it was implemented or not.
War itself is one atrocity after another. Ask anyone whos been in one. This one happend to be recorded on film. Everyone involved that day will never get this out of their head. That's what hell is.
The Collateral Murder video is not fake; it is as real as it gets. Assange did the world a huge favor by revealing what the U.S. military did that day. It's understandable that the U.S. military desires to "debunk", discredit, and/or bury it. In a just world, the U.S. military should be brought to trial internationally for this war crime; and, Assange should be a free man, as the international journalist that he certainly is.
To gain a better understanding of what happened the day of the Collateral Murder video and in the days following, read the following article carefully in its entirety. Why couldn't Petra Liverani locate this article? It was at the very top of the list of articles returned, when I did a search on "Collateral Murder video" , "Reuters journalist*", using both the Google search engine from within Firefox and Yahoo's Advanced Web Search engine.
'All lies': how the US military covered up gunning down two journalists in Iraq
Seriously? You're going to believe an article in the mainstream media? Are you not familiar with the phenomenon of controlled opposition? It makes no difference, Edmond, what any article says, we can tell from the artefact itself - and we certainly don't have to be warfare experts in the least because it's all done Revelation of the Method style - that things do not add up:
--- the audio transcript contains 13 call signs which makes no sense and we hear odd words and voices that don't fit
--- the audio does not match the footage
--- the firing and the seeming damage/harm are not consistent with 30mm cannon
Here is real killing done with 30mm cannon by an Apache helicopter. In contrast:
--- the audio has only very few voices
--- the audio perfectly matches the footage
--- we can see the fire from the cannon and we can see that it would kill the people targeted
I've income tax forms to complete and submit by Monday, October 15, so this will be a brief reply:
You list three sets of evidence you believe indicate that the Collateral Murder video is "fake":
1) 13 call signs within the audio transcript; whereas, there are only two helicopter gunships involved in the Collateral Murder video.
2) the audio does not match the footage, though you do not appear to have offered anything more specific in this regard.
3) the 30 mm M230 cannon fire which you believe should have caused more damage to the victims, in addition to the deaths of those targets.
My responses:
1) After Monday, I will listen to the shorter audio version here while reading the transcript; but I will first listen to the entire unedited 39:13 Collateral Murder video released by the NY Times and the 38:04 video released by Al Jazeera English. I was a voice intercept processing specialist (Korean and Chinese) in the U.S. Air Force, so I will be listening for all of those call signs. My expectation is that there were likely more than just the two gunships operating on that particular frequency.
2) Not much I can say here, until you provide specifics with regard to your claim that the audio does not match the footage.
3) You and tankman1989 of survivalistboards.com appear to not understand the rounds used in the Apache's M230 chain gun. Go to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M230_chain_gun and read the third and fourth paragraphs under the Design section; and, note specifically the last two sentences of the third paragraph and then the entire fourth paragraph, which are as follows:
"The 30 mm M789 High Explosive Dual Purpose (HEDP) ammunition cartridge is the primary tactical round of the Apache AH-64 helicopter, widely used in current combat operations. The Apache's ability to provide accurate air support with minimal collateral damage led to increased use and volume demands for M789 ammunition." (note: this was also true in 2007)
"The M789 is typically used in the M230. Each round contains 21.5 g (0.76 oz) of explosive charge sealed in a shaped-charge liner. The liner collapses into an armor-piercing jet of metal that is capable of penetrating 1 in (25 mm) of rolled homogeneous armour at 500 m. Additionally, the shell is also designed to fragment upon impact. The lethal radius against unprotected, standing targets is about 5 ft (1.5 m) under optimum conditions."
So, from the above, you should now understand that the Apache crew were not trying to directly hit any of their human ground targets. They only needed to have the shells strike the ground within five feet of the targets and each shell would explode and fragment, likely killing anything within a five foot radius. This is why you didn't obviously see any limbs blown off (although I imagine some were. You just couldn't see it because of the dust explosion), or any massive bleeding. This weaponry is like tossing dozens of mini cluster munitions at the targets.
The first set of questions I asked myself when I started to watch the Collateral Murder video and the other videos you provided on Celia's substack was, "why does it appear that none of the human targets hears the Apache gunship; and, how far away from the targets is the gunship?
Supposedly, if the M230 is on auto, the display will indicate the distance from the cannon to the target; but, I could not see that data on the display. So, I estimated the number of seconds from the firing of the first round to when that round was seen to hit the ground, kicking up dust. In the shorter videos you provided, you will note that length of time to be less than 1 second, which indicates that the helicopter was very close to the victims; but, they did not hear it. If you look again at the Wikipedia M230 Chain Gun page again, you will see that the muzzle velocity is 2,641 ft/sec, so disregarding a continual decrease in velocity as the shell travels further, if it took 1/2 sec for a shell to reach the target, then the Apache was (2,641/2)/5280 = .25 miles from the targets. This is interesting to me that, apparently, one cannot hear an Apache gunship that's a quarter mile away.
When I count the number of seconds in the Collateral Murder video, I count almost two seconds before the shells reach the targets, which indicates that the gunship was approximately 2(2641)/5280 = 1 mile from the targets and you can see that's within the M230's maximum firing range.
So, it's not obvious to me that there's any indication that anything is fake about the Collateral Murder video's footage. To me, it's realistic.
Okay, Edmond, obviously you know a hell of a lot more about this stuff than I do, however, I still think fake. I actually wrote a much more detailed article on my website where I analysed the transcript against the footage but thought I'd put a more abbreviated version on Substack because I thought that level of detail isn't required - however, I see that it is so I'll put a link in my substack to that article which has more detailed analyses.
As indicated by the numerous callsigns, it sounds as if we hear more voices than we should and there's a feeling of "made-to-fit" to the footage which I think could easily be faked, especially as the audio does not match the footage very well (sloppiness being one of their little "signs").
We are told that there are two Apaches so this might explain that when we hear a voice, it's not from the Apache from which we see the footage. This, of course, is very convenient. My question is though where are these two Apaches in relation to each other?
Seeming anomalies in the first minute, notably where what is said does not match what we see on the ground
2:48 - There's more that keep walking by and one of them has a weapon [cannot see people or weapon]
2:53 - Arab-sounding voice says "two-oh-eight" [not in transcript - where does this come from?]
2:55 - See all those people standing down there [can't see anyone]
3:19 - That's a weapon. [seemingly directed at "Namir" with camera. This is supposed to make us believe that in very unprofessional lack of recognition of camera, the soldier is looking for an excuse to kill, however, obviously if it's stitched-together audio snippets the soldier saying "That's a weapon" could easily be referring to a person genuinely carrying a weapon. I have to say that the soldier sounds to me as if he's perfectly serious and is not misidentifying a camera as a weapon as an excuse to kill.]
3:30 - Fucking prick [from both an audio and semantic point of view this sounds very much inserted]
3:35 - Have individuals with weapons [I cannot see any weapons at this point]
3:39 - He's got a weapon too [who is being referred to?]
3:42 - Have five to six individuals with AK-47s [5-6 with weapons? - looks like only 2 with weapons]
Ed or Edmond, not Edward - Thanks. -- I too heard all of that and have not yet formed a final opinion of it. I need to listen to the longer videos. The swearing or off-color language is normal for military personnel. It's to be expected; especially any seemingly lack of empathy during the killing. That's what these guys job is and they like to think they are good at it. In fact, most of them enjoy it or they wouldn't be doing it. Dehumanization is the norm.
I'll read the stuff at the link you provided above, after I've listened to the longer videos.
Honestly, it's really not that complicated, Edmond. I'm generally clueless about history and politics but I'm sure I was drawn to psyops for two reasons although it did take two years to learn a key feature of the MO - Revelation of the Method (ROTM) aka Hidden in Plain Sight - and I'm still at a basic level on the masonic numerology and symbology (and will never I don't think get beyond that level because I'm simply not that interested and don't have the bent for it - also even at the basic level so many clues are there).
1. They TELL us what they're doing underneath the propaganda with very obvious clues if not an implausible narrative to start with.
2. I'm rather lazy and this MO suits me. I can just sit at my computer and go bang, bang, bang, bang, bang.
Neither Tankman nor I are questioning the swearing/off-colour language of itself - that would be patently absurd. What both of us say though is that it sounds out-of-place in context and, in general, I say there is poor matching between audio and footage.
From quite a number of angles beyond the artefact itself, the fakery of the film is supported.
1. If Chelsea is an agent then we'd expect the film to be faked, we'd expect them to use a faked artefact because they love to control the information and Chelsea shows all the signs of being an agent - her alleged means of smuggling out the alleged files has zero credibility and we see all the masonic numbers everywhere - 22 (multiple of the base number eleven) - she's 22, Adrian Lamo's 22, there were 22 charges. I also noticed, for example, that the length of the interview with Juju Chang was 11:33. I assure you that that is no coincidence. In any case, they couldn't use one of the genuine films could they? because, in fact, they show signs of weapons. Perhaps there are other films where they do gun down Iraqis who are clearly unarmed, I don't know - regardless they like to control the information and ensure it's fake even if they could use a real artefact.
2. It was publicised by the MSM. As soon as they tell you something that seems self-incriminating beware.
3. We'd expect US intelligence to infiltrate Wikileaks so how are they going to do it without something that's incriminating?
Initially, when I suspected the film was fake I thought I'd try to get some expert support so I contacted Veterans for Peace / Veterans Against the War groups - no reply. Then I remembered that I'd actually gone to see alleged Veteran Against the War, Vince Emanuele, in Sydney in 2013 and I'd hung on his every word. I seem to recall sitting there like a child in kindergarten spellbound. I contacted him on Messenger but no reply from him either. I started to think that these groups were simply front groups. The talk I saw was actually videoed and posted on YouTube so I went to take a look at it ... and lo and behold ... all the Revelation of the Method signs popped out at me (in 2013 I had no clue about any of this stuff) so I contacted Vince again and told him what I'd found. If you're interested this is our exchange.
I will reiterate this again. Assange, Manning and Snowden are criminals working for Russia to destabilise America and the west. It is all here in this video. Assange is a Marxist, so is Manning.
Agree on Edward and Chelsea but not Julian. It's obvious that Chelsea is an agent who was assigned to infiltrate Wikileaks and Collateral Murder was faked in that endeavour. Julian's demeanour clearly indicates he's been locked up up for a very long time while Chelsea was given a topnotch gender reassignment makeover while supposedly held in prison (vast parts of the day allegedly in solitary) and has been feted by mainstream media - see her ever so perky obviously-scripted interview with Juju Chang. https://youtu.be/mSx1VG8UnF8
No, God no. Chelsea didn't spend 7 years in prison, that's just what they told us.
Look at Bradley bouncing out of court just after his 35 year sentence was handed down later commuted to 7. They really have a lend of us as they say in Australia.
So, what does that video prove to you? - I just see a bunch of self-important plain clothes feds making a show of it, as if Manning is a moderately important perp. They've even had their shiny black vehicles washed. But, I see no automatic weapons in hand. And, I wonder why feds are transporting him, rather than the military, since he's obviously in uniform.
Edmond, not Edward. The name is French, not English, although, my mother's side is English and Scottish. (-:
Yes, I can explain. - I don't see Manning "bouncing out of court", as you apparently do. What I see is a moderately fit Manning being walked out of court at a moderately brisk pace. The guy to his left, with his right hand in Manning's left elbow is both setting the following pace and the direction of the pace and Manning is complying, as he knows full well that he has no other choice. Obviously, Manning is now accustomed to being manhandled in this manner and knows the drill.
If you don't believe in transgenderism then I'd say you're simply someone who denies the truth in front of you and believes according to an ideology that says that reality should be a certain way rather than the way it actually is - transgenderism has always existed just like homosexuality and it occurs among people who live without modern technology.
The main point about Chelsea isn't her transgenderism - although who knows if that played a role in her being assigned to infiltrate Wikileaks - the main point about her is that she infiltrated Wikileaks and that she is seen as a traitor by some and a hero by others when in reality she is simply an agent.
OMG! That's rich! The liar, denier of God and his infinite wisdom on his design imagines their lies are truth, God's truth is lies. You truly are in the grips of Satanic deciet. You deny eternal truth. Bradley's bones, when dug up by anthropologists will be unmistakably identified as the bones of a man. That is eternal truth. That you deny.
You share pseudointellectual claptrap as if it's truth that supersedes God's and nature's. Talk about delusional. You lie. You've joined with a Satanic societal lie. Bradley is Bradley. A man. Live not by lies. Or you support atrocities.
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." - Voltaire
You join with the dangerous attack on humanity by Luciferian forces that are assaulting mankind today. Your beliefs perpetuate the horrible mutilations of God's creations, rendering them sterile and to languish in a lifetime of regret and misery. The suicide rate of those who mutilated their bodies for a lie they were indulged in by people like you believing yourself to be compassionate and caring is astronomical. These are the atrocities you support because you've been made to believe the absurdities.
You are a teller of lies. Absolutely nothing you say is trustworthy. Your words are dismissed accordingly.
another one from that same period is called "Apache vs Farmers" which shows the murder of Iraqi farmers tending to their farm by a US Apache gunship crew.
Here's another one of a similar type. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oekf9wCR_qM These two seem authentic shootings while the shooting in Collateral Murder does not, that is, the evidence shows Collateral Murder was faked to infiltrate Wikileaks.
Someone in the comments on the second film says:
"Hey!! That was us!! We got into a gun fight with this guys across the Diyala river just south of Baghdad. Called troops in contact and Big Guns 50/53 came to help out. The full video is about 8 minutes long and gives the view from both Apaches. Glad no friendlies got hurt and we were able to take out the bad guys. Big Guns 50 & 53 if you guys see this, Thank You!"
Actually, no that's not the one to which I was referring. There is a video out there, maybe scrubbed or really hard to find anymore, which shows about 4-6 Iraqi farmers on a furrowed field in night vision. They had a farm truck and another small vehicle. They were talking to each other and then one of them ran out onto the furrows with some sort of tool.
The Apache crew decided that they were carrying weapons not tools and shot all of them to pieces with a large automatic weapon.
These Apache soldiers seem shockingly trigger happy. So scary to be an Iraqi with those helicopters around just itching to target you and blow you to pieces.
While the video may not be the same I think it might be the same incident but it looks different. Here's another video which I think is capturing the same incident but looks a bit different. There are the two vehicles you refer to - truck and smaller vehicle, about 4-5 men, furrowed field. I don't think it's clear they weren't carrying weapons, their behaviour does seem a little odd but I really don't know. Apparently, this happened very early on in the invasion when the Rules Of Engagement were more lax although I tend to think ROE is always lax.
Thank you for alerting me to this video because I can use it as a foil against Collateral Murder which is fake. 30mm cannon was used in this video and also allegedly in CM but we can see in this video it really kills the people whereas not so in Collateral Murder.
Oh god... Petra Liverani often shows up on web sites such as OffGuardian, and the modus is always the same. Every nano-bite of information is "controlled opposition" "psyop" elitist conspiracy, "CIA propaganda", on and on. It would appear Petra Liverani doesn't believe anything is real. So why should we believe anything Petra Liverani has submitted as "real" proof? I rest my case...
Paul, Wouldn't you agree that as part of intellectual honesty and critical thinking housekeeping we should come back to the person whose argument we have rubbished when we realise that their argument was correct? The other day I expressed quite vehemently scepticism about an incident, the video of which I couldn't find. After seeing it and recognising its veracity I went back to the person to apologise. Omitting to do that sort of housekeeping I think allows the danger of maintaining our false opinion and blithely STEAMROLLING on with it. Or perhaps you maintain belief in the veracity of Collateral Murder?
Please come back and let me know.
I always put my evidence though, don't I? So rather than make empty protestations why not argue against my case? What I don't understand is why, a priori, anyone would think there wouldn't be masses of controlled opposition. Why wouldn't there be, Paul? Do you agree they want to control the information, that controlling information is of paramount importance? Or no, they don't want to do that? That's not what they're about, controlling information.
In order to control information, you have to be on both sides, don't you? It's like the rich always support both sides of the war, no one argues with that, do they?
I'm not in the least paranoid and I believe the moon landings (an astonishing achievement) which many on my side of the fence do not. I'm an objective analyst, I'm not a paranoid disbeliever, and I see no reason not to expect controlled opposition at every turn, it's simply the nature of the way they play the game and to be totally expected.
Here's real killing, Paul. This is real. We can see the fire, we can see the killing and the audio is both consistent internally so to speak and consistent with the footage. Not the same in Collateral Murder. It's all there lying hidden in plain sight, nothing "paranoid" about the simple straightforward analysis - where there's absolutely no straightforwardness though is getting people to see this very straightforward and no-reason-to-not-suspect simulation.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/x5rsjk/in_iraq_an_ah64d_apache_gunship_watches_as/
In this day and age it’s very hard to know what is really going on.
It’s happening now in the Gaza Strip. Some call it an Israeli 9/11. Well many people know 9/11 was staged and planes didn’t take out the towers, hell building 7 dropped in its foot print and was never hit. I don’t believe the Israeli defense would fail this bad. Their spy network is way to good. Possibly this is just a staged opening of a door to start a war with Iran. My only reasoning is the war in Ukraine is lost and the cabal band military industrial complex wants constant war??
Anyway it’s hard to connect all the dots and definitely the MSM is only propaganda. Remember the videos from China of people dropping dead in their tracks from Covid. Critical thinking is lost when our emotions are heightened
"Critical thinking is lost when our emotions are heightened."
No truer words spoken.
I think everything you say is either correct or perfectly plausible. You know that death and injury were also staged on 9/11 too?
I made very similar points in my post published earlier today. Not that I can know for sure, of course. https://sanefrancisco.substack.com/p/war-is-not-the-answer
Will check it out
Thank you for doing so. I really appreciated your Sane comments. 🙏🏾
Celia, I'm afraid Collateral Murder was a fakery used by agent, Chelsea Manning, to infiltrate Wikileaks and what I find incredibly frustrating is trying to get this through to people around Julian because I'd imagine it would be helpful to his case. If Collateral Murder is a fakery what about the entire Afghan and Iraq war logs? Julian's father, John Shipton, was my neighbour in Newtown, Sydney for 13 years and we were very good friends, he was in our house all the time. I've tried to tell him but he won't have it. I don't know why it is but I'm so often in a situation where I know something is a psyop but either I simply cannot tell people because I know there's no way in hell they'd believe it and it's simply too close to home or else I tell them but they will not have it!
From my post:
https://petraliverani.substack.com/p/chelsea-manning-agent-collateral
In 2019, I noticed the glamour photo above headlining an article about Chelsea Manning that struck me as having a lot of money behind it which seemed incongruous with her status as a treasonous leaker of important information and it occurred to me that she might be an agent assigned to infiltrate Wikileaks. I read her bio on Wikipedia and noted that it lacked credibility, particularly the claim that she downloaded 500,000 documents onto rewritable CDs labelled Lady Gaga to smuggle them through security. It then occurred to me that if she were an agent, the film, Collateral Murder, would be faked and sure enough when I watched it through the lens of likely fakery it became obvious that the audio track consists of snippets of genuine audio laid over staged footage.
There are 13 call signs in the transcript which makes little sense considering there were only two Apache helicopters which most incongruously weren't in communication with their ground crew (Ethan McCord).
The only other item I can find on the internet saying that the film is fake is shown below. Like the person on the survivalist board, I too noticed things sounding out of place from which, along with the anomalous number of call signs and ill-matched footage, I was able to deduce that the audio track was, in fact, snippets of genuine audio stitched together.
https://www.survivalistboards.com/threads/wikileaks-collateral-murder-video-a-fake.225339/
"I just stumbled across the Wikileaks video "Collateral Murder" and I have to say that I think it is a fake. The US soldiers are supposed to be firing a 30mm "cannon" at these people which in itself is creates a sense of sensationalism. Second I would think that there would be more devastation to the bodies were they to be really hit with a 30mm round. Considering that it is an anti-armor/anti-aircraft/anti-material/anti-bunker round it is going to do major damage when it hits someone. For those who don't know the size difference between something like a 9mm to a 50 cal -> 20mm -> 30mm there is a MASSIVE difference. I would think it would take off limbs or even worse were it to hit someone. JMO. Can anyone chime in?
Oh, a lot of the background talk like the rude comments, laughs etc sounded out of place as well."
But truth doesn’t always correlate with the number of people recognising it and anyone can verify for themself that the film is a fakery, I certainly don't expect anyone to believe me or survivalist guy. It's all hidden in plain sight as are all their psyops.
On this webpage is an analysis of the Collateral Murder Reuters/Wikileaks case (which we can only infer was also staged) and while the author doesn’t outright question the authenticity of the film, he questions its content. A quote:
"… I haven’t seen the attack sequences shown even though gun camera footage from other conflicts has been willingly and widely shown many times before. There isn’t even any observable blood in the footage—any episode of ‘24’ is more ‘graphic’ than this video, so why so shy?"
The answer to “Why so shy?” is that the film is faked and they decided to dispense with the blood aspect. It’s sanitised “war” Hollywood-style. If you’re going to push out faked incriminating documents you don’t want it too graphic. This kind of propaganda is purely for button-pushing purposes, not to depict the grim reality, of course.
For the rest of the post covering \Chelsea's interview with Juju Chang and links to related material:
https://petraliverani.substack.com/p/chelsea-manning-agent-collateral
I know of a Bradley Manning who was a traitor to his nation in uniform. The whole 'Chelsea' handle he goes by, that others indulge his mental illness by repeating is a fakery and deception in and of itself. He's a he, a him. We must live not by lies. And refuse to let a lie, the lie that he's not what God created him as, to let off our lips.
Bradley. Say his name. Or speak a knowing lie that insults God.
Chelsea is a transwoman who was formerly Bradley - nothing wrong with being transgender although I think the massive emphasis on transgenderism now is not healthy. Yes, she is a traitor to truth and to the people of the world more than her nation I'd say. Of course, her topnotch transition makeover no doubt played a role in her assignment to infiltrate Wikileaks.
Bradley is a man. Suffering from gender dysphoria, mental illness. You indulge his mental illness. You live by his lie which makes you a liar before God. When his bones are dug up by anthropologists they will know him as a man. Because he is a man. If you can't say basic truths about God's creation then nothing you say is worth believing. Absolutely nothing.
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." - Voltaire.
It's people like you and all who indulge "transwomen" who's minds are prepared to allow you to commit atrocities. Believing you're caring and compassionate in doing so. Like cheering on this man who had himself physically mutilated instead of helping him fix his mental illness.
That short film was a real eye-opener for millions!
That's certainly the way it seemed ... but turns out it was faked as a means to infiltrate Wikileaks.
https://petraliverani.substack.com/p/chelsea-manning-agent-collateral
In my earlier comment I explained that this film showed evidence of being faked for the purpose of infiltrating Wikileaks. Today, I thought I'd check out Operation Northwoods, the alleged proposed false flag operation originating within the DoD in 1962. The proposals called for CIA operatives to both stage and commit acts of terrorism against American military and civilian targets, blaming them on the Cuban government, and using it to justify a war against Cuba.
What prompted me to suspect that ON wasn't what it's purported to be is that I was reminded of it in an article of admitted conspiracies and since I first heard of ON I've become much more suspicious of anything they admit to. The most important rule in understanding psyops and how they control our minds is:
THOSE IN POWER MUST CONTROL THE INFORMATION
which means that they control it on BOTH sides
Anything "admitted to" is immediately under suspicion. ON was released to the public on November 6, 1998 not too long before 9/11. My suspicion is that this document was fabricated as a kind of predictive programming particularly aimed at the anticipated disbelievers of 9/11 to help cement in their minds that people really were killed and injured (see my post https://petraliverani.substack.com/p/911-the-false-dilemma-propaganda)
I've put it out to a couple of other hardcore psyop analysts to see what they think but this is what I've come up with so far.
1. It's stamped both Top Secret (crossed out) but then later (presumably) stamped Unclassified when you'd expect it to be stamped Declassified indicating it was once Classified information.
2. Enclosure A (p4) is simply a Memorandum with no heading "Enclosure A" ("Enclosure A" is just indicated at the bottom of the page) then there's Appendix to Enclosure A and also an Annex to Appendix to Enclosure A which all seems a bit strange. Also, what is titled Memorandum includes as text in point 1, "the attached Memorandum".
3. There's Task 33c mentioned (Masonic 333 because c is third letter of alphabet so is assigned the number 3) but no sense of what this task refers to.
4. There's a few facts listed which are titled Enclosure B - it seems like overkill to call this an enclosure.
5. My feeling is that they would NEVER in a million years reveal this kind of plan if it were real regardless of whether it was implemented or not.
PDF: https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/news/20010430/northwoods.pdf
TEXT: https://archive.org/stream/pdfy-AhozqG1mYS82TgEQ/Operation%20Northwoods%20Government%20False%20Flag%20Terror_djvu.txt
War itself is one atrocity after another. Ask anyone whos been in one. This one happend to be recorded on film. Everyone involved that day will never get this out of their head. That's what hell is.
Thanks for doing that, Celia.
The Collateral Murder video is not fake; it is as real as it gets. Assange did the world a huge favor by revealing what the U.S. military did that day. It's understandable that the U.S. military desires to "debunk", discredit, and/or bury it. In a just world, the U.S. military should be brought to trial internationally for this war crime; and, Assange should be a free man, as the international journalist that he certainly is.
To gain a better understanding of what happened the day of the Collateral Murder video and in the days following, read the following article carefully in its entirety. Why couldn't Petra Liverani locate this article? It was at the very top of the list of articles returned, when I did a search on "Collateral Murder video" , "Reuters journalist*", using both the Google search engine from within Firefox and Yahoo's Advanced Web Search engine.
'All lies': how the US military covered up gunning down two journalists in Iraq
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/15/all-lies-how-the-us-military-covered-up-gunning-down-two-journalists-in-iraq
Seriously? You're going to believe an article in the mainstream media? Are you not familiar with the phenomenon of controlled opposition? It makes no difference, Edmond, what any article says, we can tell from the artefact itself - and we certainly don't have to be warfare experts in the least because it's all done Revelation of the Method style - that things do not add up:
--- the audio transcript contains 13 call signs which makes no sense and we hear odd words and voices that don't fit
--- the audio does not match the footage
--- the firing and the seeming damage/harm are not consistent with 30mm cannon
Here is real killing done with 30mm cannon by an Apache helicopter. In contrast:
--- the audio has only very few voices
--- the audio perfectly matches the footage
--- we can see the fire from the cannon and we can see that it would kill the people targeted
https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/x5rsjk/in_iraq_an_ah64d_apache_gunship_watches_as/
Did you read my analysis that Celia linked to?
Petra,
I've income tax forms to complete and submit by Monday, October 15, so this will be a brief reply:
You list three sets of evidence you believe indicate that the Collateral Murder video is "fake":
1) 13 call signs within the audio transcript; whereas, there are only two helicopter gunships involved in the Collateral Murder video.
2) the audio does not match the footage, though you do not appear to have offered anything more specific in this regard.
3) the 30 mm M230 cannon fire which you believe should have caused more damage to the victims, in addition to the deaths of those targets.
My responses:
1) After Monday, I will listen to the shorter audio version here while reading the transcript; but I will first listen to the entire unedited 39:13 Collateral Murder video released by the NY Times and the 38:04 video released by Al Jazeera English. I was a voice intercept processing specialist (Korean and Chinese) in the U.S. Air Force, so I will be listening for all of those call signs. My expectation is that there were likely more than just the two gunships operating on that particular frequency.
2) Not much I can say here, until you provide specifics with regard to your claim that the audio does not match the footage.
3) You and tankman1989 of survivalistboards.com appear to not understand the rounds used in the Apache's M230 chain gun. Go to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M230_chain_gun and read the third and fourth paragraphs under the Design section; and, note specifically the last two sentences of the third paragraph and then the entire fourth paragraph, which are as follows:
"The 30 mm M789 High Explosive Dual Purpose (HEDP) ammunition cartridge is the primary tactical round of the Apache AH-64 helicopter, widely used in current combat operations. The Apache's ability to provide accurate air support with minimal collateral damage led to increased use and volume demands for M789 ammunition." (note: this was also true in 2007)
"The M789 is typically used in the M230. Each round contains 21.5 g (0.76 oz) of explosive charge sealed in a shaped-charge liner. The liner collapses into an armor-piercing jet of metal that is capable of penetrating 1 in (25 mm) of rolled homogeneous armour at 500 m. Additionally, the shell is also designed to fragment upon impact. The lethal radius against unprotected, standing targets is about 5 ft (1.5 m) under optimum conditions."
So, from the above, you should now understand that the Apache crew were not trying to directly hit any of their human ground targets. They only needed to have the shells strike the ground within five feet of the targets and each shell would explode and fragment, likely killing anything within a five foot radius. This is why you didn't obviously see any limbs blown off (although I imagine some were. You just couldn't see it because of the dust explosion), or any massive bleeding. This weaponry is like tossing dozens of mini cluster munitions at the targets.
The first set of questions I asked myself when I started to watch the Collateral Murder video and the other videos you provided on Celia's substack was, "why does it appear that none of the human targets hears the Apache gunship; and, how far away from the targets is the gunship?
Supposedly, if the M230 is on auto, the display will indicate the distance from the cannon to the target; but, I could not see that data on the display. So, I estimated the number of seconds from the firing of the first round to when that round was seen to hit the ground, kicking up dust. In the shorter videos you provided, you will note that length of time to be less than 1 second, which indicates that the helicopter was very close to the victims; but, they did not hear it. If you look again at the Wikipedia M230 Chain Gun page again, you will see that the muzzle velocity is 2,641 ft/sec, so disregarding a continual decrease in velocity as the shell travels further, if it took 1/2 sec for a shell to reach the target, then the Apache was (2,641/2)/5280 = .25 miles from the targets. This is interesting to me that, apparently, one cannot hear an Apache gunship that's a quarter mile away.
When I count the number of seconds in the Collateral Murder video, I count almost two seconds before the shells reach the targets, which indicates that the gunship was approximately 2(2641)/5280 = 1 mile from the targets and you can see that's within the M230's maximum firing range.
So, it's not obvious to me that there's any indication that anything is fake about the Collateral Murder video's footage. To me, it's realistic.
Okay, Edmond, obviously you know a hell of a lot more about this stuff than I do, however, I still think fake. I actually wrote a much more detailed article on my website where I analysed the transcript against the footage but thought I'd put a more abbreviated version on Substack because I thought that level of detail isn't required - however, I see that it is so I'll put a link in my substack to that article which has more detailed analyses.
https://occamsrazorterrorevents.weebly.com/wikileaks-controlled-opposition.html
I put below an analysis of the first 3-4 minutes
As indicated by the numerous callsigns, it sounds as if we hear more voices than we should and there's a feeling of "made-to-fit" to the footage which I think could easily be faked, especially as the audio does not match the footage very well (sloppiness being one of their little "signs").
We are told that there are two Apaches so this might explain that when we hear a voice, it's not from the Apache from which we see the footage. This, of course, is very convenient. My question is though where are these two Apaches in relation to each other?
Seeming anomalies in the first minute, notably where what is said does not match what we see on the ground
2:48 - There's more that keep walking by and one of them has a weapon [cannot see people or weapon]
2:53 - Arab-sounding voice says "two-oh-eight" [not in transcript - where does this come from?]
2:55 - See all those people standing down there [can't see anyone]
3:19 - That's a weapon. [seemingly directed at "Namir" with camera. This is supposed to make us believe that in very unprofessional lack of recognition of camera, the soldier is looking for an excuse to kill, however, obviously if it's stitched-together audio snippets the soldier saying "That's a weapon" could easily be referring to a person genuinely carrying a weapon. I have to say that the soldier sounds to me as if he's perfectly serious and is not misidentifying a camera as a weapon as an excuse to kill.]
3:30 - Fucking prick [from both an audio and semantic point of view this sounds very much inserted]
3:35 - Have individuals with weapons [I cannot see any weapons at this point]
3:39 - He's got a weapon too [who is being referred to?]
3:42 - Have five to six individuals with AK-47s [5-6 with weapons? - looks like only 2 with weapons]
Ed or Edmond, not Edward - Thanks. -- I too heard all of that and have not yet formed a final opinion of it. I need to listen to the longer videos. The swearing or off-color language is normal for military personnel. It's to be expected; especially any seemingly lack of empathy during the killing. That's what these guys job is and they like to think they are good at it. In fact, most of them enjoy it or they wouldn't be doing it. Dehumanization is the norm.
I'll read the stuff at the link you provided above, after I've listened to the longer videos.
Honestly, it's really not that complicated, Edmond. I'm generally clueless about history and politics but I'm sure I was drawn to psyops for two reasons although it did take two years to learn a key feature of the MO - Revelation of the Method (ROTM) aka Hidden in Plain Sight - and I'm still at a basic level on the masonic numerology and symbology (and will never I don't think get beyond that level because I'm simply not that interested and don't have the bent for it - also even at the basic level so many clues are there).
1. They TELL us what they're doing underneath the propaganda with very obvious clues if not an implausible narrative to start with.
2. I'm rather lazy and this MO suits me. I can just sit at my computer and go bang, bang, bang, bang, bang.
Neither Tankman nor I are questioning the swearing/off-colour language of itself - that would be patently absurd. What both of us say though is that it sounds out-of-place in context and, in general, I say there is poor matching between audio and footage.
From quite a number of angles beyond the artefact itself, the fakery of the film is supported.
1. If Chelsea is an agent then we'd expect the film to be faked, we'd expect them to use a faked artefact because they love to control the information and Chelsea shows all the signs of being an agent - her alleged means of smuggling out the alleged files has zero credibility and we see all the masonic numbers everywhere - 22 (multiple of the base number eleven) - she's 22, Adrian Lamo's 22, there were 22 charges. I also noticed, for example, that the length of the interview with Juju Chang was 11:33. I assure you that that is no coincidence. In any case, they couldn't use one of the genuine films could they? because, in fact, they show signs of weapons. Perhaps there are other films where they do gun down Iraqis who are clearly unarmed, I don't know - regardless they like to control the information and ensure it's fake even if they could use a real artefact.
2. It was publicised by the MSM. As soon as they tell you something that seems self-incriminating beware.
3. We'd expect US intelligence to infiltrate Wikileaks so how are they going to do it without something that's incriminating?
Initially, when I suspected the film was fake I thought I'd try to get some expert support so I contacted Veterans for Peace / Veterans Against the War groups - no reply. Then I remembered that I'd actually gone to see alleged Veteran Against the War, Vince Emanuele, in Sydney in 2013 and I'd hung on his every word. I seem to recall sitting there like a child in kindergarten spellbound. I contacted him on Messenger but no reply from him either. I started to think that these groups were simply front groups. The talk I saw was actually videoed and posted on YouTube so I went to take a look at it ... and lo and behold ... all the Revelation of the Method signs popped out at me (in 2013 I had no clue about any of this stuff) so I contacted Vince again and told him what I'd found. If you're interested this is our exchange.
https://occamsrazorterrorevents.weebly.com/vince-emanuele-veteran-for-peace.html
Just to let you know that I read your exchange. (-:
I will reiterate this again. Assange, Manning and Snowden are criminals working for Russia to destabilise America and the west. It is all here in this video. Assange is a Marxist, so is Manning.
https://youtu.be/GWIwcHZEm44?feature=shared
Agree on Edward and Chelsea but not Julian. It's obvious that Chelsea is an agent who was assigned to infiltrate Wikileaks and Collateral Murder was faked in that endeavour. Julian's demeanour clearly indicates he's been locked up up for a very long time while Chelsea was given a topnotch gender reassignment makeover while supposedly held in prison (vast parts of the day allegedly in solitary) and has been feted by mainstream media - see her ever so perky obviously-scripted interview with Juju Chang. https://youtu.be/mSx1VG8UnF8
And you believe Manning made a deal with the U.S. military to spend seven years of his life in prison in exchange for a makeover? That's rich... (-:
No, God no. Chelsea didn't spend 7 years in prison, that's just what they told us.
Look at Bradley bouncing out of court just after his 35 year sentence was handed down later commuted to 7. They really have a lend of us as they say in Australia.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=110rJ9mTKVg
So, what does that video prove to you? - I just see a bunch of self-important plain clothes feds making a show of it, as if Manning is a moderately important perp. They've even had their shiny black vehicles washed. But, I see no automatic weapons in hand. And, I wonder why feds are transporting him, rather than the military, since he's obviously in uniform.
I'm not sure what your point is Edmond. Can you explain?
Edmond, not Edward. The name is French, not English, although, my mother's side is English and Scottish. (-:
Yes, I can explain. - I don't see Manning "bouncing out of court", as you apparently do. What I see is a moderately fit Manning being walked out of court at a moderately brisk pace. The guy to his left, with his right hand in Manning's left elbow is both setting the following pace and the direction of the pace and Manning is complying, as he knows full well that he has no other choice. Obviously, Manning is now accustomed to being manhandled in this manner and knows the drill.
Bradley. Say his name. If you can't say his real name and indulge his gender delusions then you are not a truth-sayer.
If you don't believe in transgenderism then I'd say you're simply someone who denies the truth in front of you and believes according to an ideology that says that reality should be a certain way rather than the way it actually is - transgenderism has always existed just like homosexuality and it occurs among people who live without modern technology.
https://www.redeemer-cincy.org/uploads/images/gender-diversity-in-indigenous-cultures_205.pdf
The main point about Chelsea isn't her transgenderism - although who knows if that played a role in her being assigned to infiltrate Wikileaks - the main point about her is that she infiltrated Wikileaks and that she is seen as a traitor by some and a hero by others when in reality she is simply an agent.
OMG! That's rich! The liar, denier of God and his infinite wisdom on his design imagines their lies are truth, God's truth is lies. You truly are in the grips of Satanic deciet. You deny eternal truth. Bradley's bones, when dug up by anthropologists will be unmistakably identified as the bones of a man. That is eternal truth. That you deny.
You share pseudointellectual claptrap as if it's truth that supersedes God's and nature's. Talk about delusional. You lie. You've joined with a Satanic societal lie. Bradley is Bradley. A man. Live not by lies. Or you support atrocities.
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." - Voltaire
You join with the dangerous attack on humanity by Luciferian forces that are assaulting mankind today. Your beliefs perpetuate the horrible mutilations of God's creations, rendering them sterile and to languish in a lifetime of regret and misery. The suicide rate of those who mutilated their bodies for a lie they were indulged in by people like you believing yourself to be compassionate and caring is astronomical. These are the atrocities you support because you've been made to believe the absurdities.
You are a teller of lies. Absolutely nothing you say is trustworthy. Your words are dismissed accordingly.
Get right with God. Or suffer his wrath.
Bush, Cheney, Powell, Rice. Nice.
To those who place no value on human life no quarter will be asked and none will be given.
another one from that same period is called "Apache vs Farmers" which shows the murder of Iraqi farmers tending to their farm by a US Apache gunship crew.
Is this the one you mean? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6snswhhfeQ
Here's another one of a similar type. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oekf9wCR_qM These two seem authentic shootings while the shooting in Collateral Murder does not, that is, the evidence shows Collateral Murder was faked to infiltrate Wikileaks.
Someone in the comments on the second film says:
"Hey!! That was us!! We got into a gun fight with this guys across the Diyala river just south of Baghdad. Called troops in contact and Big Guns 50/53 came to help out. The full video is about 8 minutes long and gives the view from both Apaches. Glad no friendlies got hurt and we were able to take out the bad guys. Big Guns 50 & 53 if you guys see this, Thank You!"
Actually, no that's not the one to which I was referring. There is a video out there, maybe scrubbed or really hard to find anymore, which shows about 4-6 Iraqi farmers on a furrowed field in night vision. They had a farm truck and another small vehicle. They were talking to each other and then one of them ran out onto the furrows with some sort of tool.
The Apache crew decided that they were carrying weapons not tools and shot all of them to pieces with a large automatic weapon.
These Apache soldiers seem shockingly trigger happy. So scary to be an Iraqi with those helicopters around just itching to target you and blow you to pieces.
While the video may not be the same I think it might be the same incident but it looks different. Here's another video which I think is capturing the same incident but looks a bit different. There are the two vehicles you refer to - truck and smaller vehicle, about 4-5 men, furrowed field. I don't think it's clear they weren't carrying weapons, their behaviour does seem a little odd but I really don't know. Apparently, this happened very early on in the invasion when the Rules Of Engagement were more lax although I tend to think ROE is always lax.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/x5rsjk/in_iraq_an_ah64d_apache_gunship_watches_as/
Thank you for alerting me to this video because I can use it as a foil against Collateral Murder which is fake. 30mm cannon was used in this video and also allegedly in CM but we can see in this video it really kills the people whereas not so in Collateral Murder.