This Document Was Written By Darin Brown, PhD, A Mathematician and HIV Dissident During My 2009 Libel Lawsuit Against Richard Jeffereys (TAG) et al And Is Published Here With His Permission
Thank you Celia for posting all this info and history. I was one of those who believed everything the media said about AIDS, HIV, how it was contracted, etc. I had many gay acquaintances, some of whom were promiscuous and into various drugs, including "poppers". Some of them came down with "AIDS".
I watched from afar, and didn't succumb to the fear, for the most part. I remember being tested for HIV before several stints as a paid volunteer in Pharma studies, and always was negative.
My brother-in-law was gay, and had moved to San Francisco. I later learned that he had developed all the severe effects of AIDS, but I never knew if he was on AZT. He suffered so badly that he gave up, moved back home, and suicided on strong barbituates obtained from his sister via their father's dental practice. ( we were estranged by then )
I only learned the real story of AIDS many years later, and am still learning. I think we all want this demon Fauci to hang.
I knew NOTHING of Fauci before lockdowns. I had no TV so grateful to not be part of the daily bought of fear pushing. I was in my car returning from my weekly allowed excursion from the grocery gathering. Good ole AM radio was on when the staged fear pushing was going on and up pops fauci. My first time hearing that voice, when he said vaccines were the only way out I knew something was not right. A few weeks later as a 2020 lockdown CA inmate someone shared this documentary. I think this is the one Celia is interview, could be wrong as some time since I watched it. When I saw this It was like oh gosh, and Fauci was involved🤔
This documentary is about the HIV epidemic, many similarities to c-19. Fauci is interviewed.
Yall aren’t using your head. If vaccines are such a sham, why don’t we have a sham HIV vaccine? 🤔
If they want to sell drugs, why do they push a vaccine for Covid and not drugs ? 🤔
Fauci is an American hero. HIV causes AIDS and antiretrovirals save lives. Fauci has his up’s and downs and criticism is warranted for many mis-steps but he has done more to save lives than anyone if you could ever hope to.
Having worked in the aids units 1980's I can look back and connect how great the suffering caused by Fauci etc... "meds" (we gave). Sad reality needs justice!
Wow! Thank you for this very informative article Celia. I had heard that HIV did not cause AID’s & it does not seem to be the death sentence diagnosis it once was feared to be but I am curious as to what you might think caused the death of the patient’s who got AID’S in the late 80’s or early 90’s, would that have been from AZT or the treatment they received at the time or the lack of immunity to fight off any disease? My closest friend’s son died from it during that time but there was so much stigma surrounding it she wouldn’t even discuss it until just recently. My heart hurt for her.
The "side effects" of AZT are basically the same symptoms as those of AIDS. They were giving AZT to people who had NO symptoms, but tested positive for the virus. AZT killed a lot of people.
I believe in the main mental terror drove it, AZT was by itself unsurvivable at high doses, and in addition, they had countless problems, infections, destroyed gut, cancers, etc--it is possible Hep B vaccine played a role. You can read a lot of history and scientific papers at www.Duesberg.com. I'm sorry about your friend's son.
People did not imagine "AIDS." It was "real."
AZT was some kind of occult sacrifice and torment ritual. What else can one conclude?
Thank you for your response Celia, I had heard years ago there was a link between the Hepatitis B vaccine being given to gay men & then them getting HIV but I did not know if there was any truth to that at that time. Frightening! And yes I also knew AID’s was real as that’s what my friend’s son died from, I just didn’t understand how everyone didn’t get it that got HIV. Thank you for the link, I will look at it. The nice thing about getting older is you’re never to old to learn but now you have more time to do it, a small blessing to aging. AZT reminds me of Remdesivir & seems to have the same outcome & the same person has been involved with both drugs, Fauci.
AZT was a cancer drug which got shelved because it was too toxic, killing cancer patients. Fauci got it off the shelf and said it would work to prevent AIDS, but, of course, by taking it, it ruined it and killed them. Then they'd say that the patient was too late in starting the treatment. He used the same trick for "covid" giving Remdesivir emergency use, the only one allowed to treat for it. Previously, it was used in one arm of an Ebola treatment trial. That arm was stopped because patients on it were going into kidney failure and dying quicker and mre frequently than the other arms. I never realised until "covid" they tell you a "vaccine" causes your body to make antibodies, which is desired response, yes? So, those tested for HIV became HIV+, which was bad! See how stupid we were? Young men, not all gays, would party hard, take drugs, prescribed and not, not eat properly, no sleep either and get very run down. If they just gave up party life and went home to mum, they'd probably get better. The more sensible ones, in good health, would do their bit and get tested, and, if positive, be told they definitely would get AIDS.... and here's some medicine to help you. As there is still no cure for this unicorn very infectious disease, why do we not hear about all the illness and deaths still? I had a work colleague from 80's die in his 40's. He may have been on AZT at the time, no one asked questions even 20 years later. I only found out re HIV/AIDS down the covid rabbit hole.
I knew about Fauci & his financial interest in Remdesivir but confess I knew nothing about AZT. At that time I was sooo much younger & we didn’t have the convenience of computers yet so I didn’t research like I do now. I looked into the Covid vaccines so I didn’t get it & I look into into every pharmaceutical drug my physician recommends before I agree to take it, which fortunately after reading the side affects means I usually don’t take it. Lol. I’m more into naturopathic medicine these days & think it has helped me more. Thanks for your response!
How disheartening for all these patients to go to medical professionals & have them be so wrong & so many people died. It brings back this entire Covid fiasco & how much they got wrong there. I believe it really was more about control & who would go along. What is hard for me to understand is why they haven’t stopped the Covid Vaccine entirely. It never stopped transmission, wasn’t safe & effective & has either killed or injured hundreds of thousands if not millions they think worldwide. They stopped the swine flu vaccine in the 1970’s after 32 deaths. Different agenda??? Thanks again for sharing this video.
I hear you 1,000%. Guess it goes back decades to the Rockefeller changes. Heartbreaking as it is not good. Some will sell out to it and think on the good side we saw some who paid the price for not selling out. Like journalists who pay the price for being a real journalist. Guess we plug on and with each bit of truth we have in our backpacks we can maybe, just maybe enlighten one who will light the next candle.
So true, the Rockefeller’s were eugenist’s just like Bill Gates & his family so their agenda is quite obvious. You are right about them pushing out the honest ones whether they are physicians or journalists. I think how many physicians lost their medical license for promoting Ivermectin instead of Remdesivir. Sad…Awww, if only we could wiggle our noses & changes things. I have “woken” up a lot of people in the last decade through my research. Fifteen years ago I just got the “deer in the headlights look” & had to run home & make sure I hadn’t grown two heads at lunch 😂, but invariably that seed finally planted & now THEY ask me questions. I have to say it’s gratifying but I probably shouldn’t admit that. Lol
Geoff, you may link to anything ,and need not ask, but thank you for your kind words. Fauci is unbelievable. How can we believe our eyes and minds? The era was Fauci's, 1984-2022. No President defined the era, the American BIB CHANGE.
He did, working silently. Always remember that AIDS Activists fomented the cult of Fauci, Larry Kramer, Peter Staley, all those guys. Staley even had a wine toast sort of date moment with him on a panel on TV, maybe Kennedy Center, something or other. It was supposed to be cute.
Celia please dont ''be discerning'' (in the sense you see much more & that's needed) - we need the whole perspective -complete as source material - link indexing it would make for swifter cross referencing for those unfamiliar .
Anyway your blind spots would hardly be discernable - if you protect us from them :)
How gratifying to see this subject hasn't been relegated to the dust bin of history. Celia has spent her career keeping it alive and should be commended. I've been reading Celia's articles since the 80's and she's a true hero of truth. In all this discussion I haven't seen any mention of Harris Coulter's "Aids and Syphilis the Hidden Link", this is the book that saved my life. When I was diagnosed hiv+ in 1991 I was pretty sure that my infection wasn't only hiv but syphilis as well based on the severity of my symptoms. When I presented this book to my so-called specialist, he blew it off and me as well. I had asked him to diagnos me but he refused and further refused my request to treat me for syphilis anyway. He convinced me I didn't have syphilis and I let it go. I had already refused his advice to take azt and told me outright that I was his first patient to decline this hateful drug. Maybe he was angry for that but in the end not taking the azt was the right thing to do as confirmed by a later infectious disease specialist I've been seeing recently who said only that I probably saved my own life..."probably" being the understatement of the century. Holistic medicine was my only option so I dove into an investigation of all of them, oxygen therapy seemed the best bet. Although Ozone therepy proved to be ineffective against viruses it was wildly effective against the bacterial syphlis. While I was injecting the Ozone to treat the virus I was sureptitiously treating the syphilis that my so-called specialist had assured my I didn't have. The whole story is too long and complicated to detail here but I would conclude that it never made sense to me to screen for syphilis using an antibody test in patients with known immume suppresion issues. WHY IS NO ONE TALKING ABOUT THIS?
Thanks Celia for the inspiration all these years, you really helped my through my darkest hours!
Thank you for your comment. What stands out to me here regarding your “medical journey” is that the “modern medical system” didn’t help or support you in your healing journey in any way. You had to fit into their “one size fits all” model (and in your case with your HIV ’diagnosis’ and possible syphilis as well) or you weren’t going to get help from that “system”. Fortunately you had the wherewithal to seek care with “alternative/holistic healthcare providers”, who it seems have helped you.
But there are multitudes of people out there, who are basically receiving the same “one size fits all” care package from the “modern medical system”, who don’t even “question their doctors”. Eventually this “compliance” to that system and the doctors who “practice” in it, is leading to their deaths and or chronic dis-ease.
After 38 years it's clear to me that much of the fear mongering about an aids pandemic was mostly hubris, and the establisment hoods like fauci were likely aware of the syphilis present in many hiv patients. Instead of warning people and issuing useful protocols such as automatically treating new hiv patients for syphilis in spite of testing negative he exploited it because he wanted as many people to die as possible. The man is a sociaopath and a mass murderer. I'm not trying to diminish the suffering and death that occured in the late 80's and 90's but people were just too trusting of establishment medicine. I watched a lot of friends suffer and die, but many didn't heed my warning about the worthless azt--except for one and he is alive and thriving today. I often wonder how many faces and names on the aids quilt didn't die from hiv but from untreated syphilis or from the hated azt. All love.
Well you definitely had and have an “Angel on your shoulder” that led you to question what these doctors were saying and seek some treatment for yourself outside of the “modern medical system”.
Yes I agree Fauci is a sociopathic psycho, along the lines of Dr. Mengele, back in day. The deaths and destruction he has wrought in the name of “public health” now is legend. But many people don’t know about it.
I take it you are in relatively good health today, even with your ‘diagnosis’. And your experience 38 years ago protected and armed you for the Scam of Covidcon and since.
Thank you for your support. Yes I am quite healthy my nagging kidney stone not withstanding. I see the doctor for that tomorrow. At times it did feel like I was guided and my twin brother was also a stalwart for me in my darkest hours, he really picked me up. The one good thing that I took away from the fake covid scam was my introduction into Ivermectin. I was able to procure some before the FDA stepped in and blocked internet sales of it. I don’t want to jump the gun but I have to report some incredible results since using it. One might say that since I’m still on the anti-virals I can’t claim success but since I’ve been on the same drug for many years during which time I saw no improvements in my labs; the only thing the drugs do is keep the virus out of the blood stream, there’s no attempt to treat the infection itself, why kill the goose that lays the golden eggs?
I too have a ‘fraternal’ twin brother! But I’m way more “in the know” about health than he is. We both have a thyroid ‘condition’. I have Hashimotos which I take a ‘natural’ thyroid (porcine) for. He has Graves Disease, it was diagnosed years ago, and he only did a brief treatment for it. But it has permanently changed his eyes. They are “buggy” now and were not like that before the Graves’ disease. He stays away from doctors, as the ‘endocrinologist” just wanted to “oblate” his thyroid and or remove it. He flew out of that guy’s office.
Cover-ups do benefit from "confusions" proliferated and maintained at "official" levels, the on going efficiency of the cover-up, can be maintained by proliferating the "confusions" Just saying
Celia, Thank you for writing this, and many other things you have written on this subject, which you have inhabited and studied with mind, heart and gut.
I discovered Liam Scheff's work at the beginning of Covid, and that led to a deep dive into all of those old, dated looking websites, some of which have to be recovered from archive.org covering the HIV/AIDS theme from a dissenting point of view. Somewhere in there I encountered some of your work, and therefore, here I am... subscribed to your substack.
I just want to say that only today I found out that the word "heresy" has a Greek etymological connection to the meaning of "choose" or "choice"...
And what is clear is that HIV/AIDS dissenters (including yourself) were all "choosers" of wider interpretations, broader discussions and permission to doubt that the orthodox dogmatists could not afford to tolerate. Therefore "heretics'...
My own history of advocating for choice in many realms (basically because I firmly believe that choice must arise from the same person upon which the consequences of said choice will fall), has shown me that the anti-choice advocate will always draw a direct line between a person's advocacy for choice and the same person's participation in actual murder.
I have been called a "baby-killer". I have been called a "granny-killer"... I am 100% certain that I have never participated in the murder of any baby or of any granny or of anyone else, for that matter.
But, for all of that, advocating that choices should be made by those who will face, and live with, the consequences of their choice (because if they are not, where - exactly - is everyone going to be when adverse consequences fall on a person who was deprived of choice?) makes a person a "heretic'.
And those who have hounded you, and Mbeki, and members of "The Group", and Duesberg, and all the others are clearly self appointed heresy-hunters forming a new Inquisition in Defense of the Faith in the Miraculous Nature of the Drug...
The life of a heretic is never an easy one, and also, I'm sorry to have to tell you this... heretics seldom get to write the history that later generations will read.
Still, THIS is good history... and, well, some of us - who are also heretics - are glad to read it.
Brilliant observation about choice and the murder spells.
You're also so right about heretics and history. Heretics have lost too much energy by the time it's time to nail down any history. I have been praying for energy for so many years. I could never work out quite what was wrong with me. I have good days and less good days. But overall, energy improving. Biggest problem is brain stuff. ptsd stuff and nervous system. The terror of being a pariah turns into social phobia, introversion, isolation. Trying to change it all.
There was NEVER anything wrong with you. Be clear on that.
But heresy hunting is a deadly business. And real people suffer real hurt, as the defenders of every single Dogma that ever required that the faithful be protected from the least hint of doubt, go about their work.
Although the full story that you yourself know is not yet told, the evidence is already there. Wikipedia will tell you as a certainty how many deaths in South Africa can be attributed to the singular willingness of Thabo Mbeki to invite scientists to discuss the matter fully, from all possible perspectives, and provide evidence upon which to base policty and personal choice. There goes a man I honour (and there are not many politicians that I have ever been able to honour) despite the fact that history is unlikely to be kind to him.
As for you, there is no reason in the world for anyone to accept their hounders/hunters as either teachers or as judges. They will do what they will do, but no part of the world they believe in is the real one.
Thank you Scotlyn. The story of the hounding and hunting is still largely untold. Only alluded to. One puts it off. One fears drama, "victim consciousness" and all the bad goblins...but one also fears remembering. For this reason I have very advanced issues with disassociation, amnesia, and so forth. Nobody wants to write about their own rape. So to speak. That of others I am better with.
Your story is your own to tell in your own way, to whom you wish. The greater story comes from all of the bits and pieces that each of us can assemble from the bits and allegations we each gather. And it is never finished.
Thanks Celia. I was going to ask for some history. I know you said about the Perth group not being supportive- I'm intrigued to know more! I've found their work helpful, but of course I'm 40 years behind you and know nothing. I only woke up to HIV in 2020, having worked in pathology for years too!
They asked to be removed from my Harper's article because they said they could not return an edited version of the passage that was about their work, in almost one month. So they said "remove all mention of the Perth Group." I did. Guess what happened?
Vicious attacks by their acolytes. Still has not ended but now I think acolytes are connected to military.
Thank you for educating me. I’m 67 and I lived through the “ health crisis” when I lived in Boston. I never got tested but watched many of my friends to numerous count die gruesome deaths while being medicated.
Thank you Judith! I don't know where to begin in dredging up and again telling of all the Satanic crimes committed against Christine and her family. I've written a few, and there will be more to come. I am finding myself having to re-write, resurrect, my works over decades, but NOW there are people around who can understand it, receive it, and guard it for posterity, so it is a worthwhile effort.
I was fortunate to have a friend lend me a copy of SPIN with your article when it came out in the 90's. It must be of the most significantly important things I've ever read and helped me make sense of the world. Thank you <3
Going back to what you were saying about depression Celia. Not to get all new age or lost in cod pyschology about it; diet and microbiome are important, however the real dude is suppression of anger right?
As women we feel the worst thing in the world is upsetting people. The worst thing is what's happening to children in Gaza, and those men doing it are proud of it!
We're afraid we'll lose control or cry or not be able to stop if we express our anger or let go. But it's doing the worst it could ever do to our insides.
Accept and acknowledge that we're pissed off as hell. And that's OK. Send all the love to the person inside of us who was misrepresented, hated and attacked, send all the love they need to feel respected, admired, loved, accepted and safe.
If endogenous retroviruses didn’t/ don’t exist, that would imply human evolution never occurred — for example, mammals would not have been able to evolve the placenta.
Who would even dare to suggest such a “heresy” and risk cutting their own career short?
One of the main reasons behind what some call the "religion of scientism" — a belief system founded on strict materialism — is that it "cannot allow a Divine Foot in the door," as some critics have put it.
Put simply, if virology were proven fraudulent, it could undermine evolutionary theory and other scientific frameworks built on similar principles. But how many scientists worldwide rely on these fields for their livelihoods? Millions? And how much funding do these sciences receive globally? Possibly trillions.
Who would allow such a paradigm shift to occur? Donald Trump might embrace it if he fully understood it — he has shown himself to be a strategic but often deceptive figure. Now, RFK Jr. appears to be confronting some of these controversial questions. If he challenges vaccine programs or questions scientific consensus, would he and Trump face enormous backlash? Probably — and that may explain RFK Jr.'s cautious approach.
After all, who would dare challenge the “golden calf” of modern science — a system that has fed millions and, some argue, misled billions?
Are you a creationist? Are you say evolution didn't happen?
The confusion around endogenous 'retroviruses' has a lot to answer for.
Or course reverse transcriptase, plasmids and circles of DNA or RNA exist. They are used in labs. As Duesberg said- they are not infectious nor pathogenic- therefore they are not viruses! They just carry genetic information.
People are arguing about things but first they need to very clearly and precisely define what they're talking about.
When chromosones are regarded as always mirrored after a number less than ,say 20 chromosomes in human genome - seems to generate more confusion than fact .
Because the assumption is of identical reproducability - which has been arrived at merely hypothetically ,ie without apparently related control experiments .
Dr Lanka makes a fairly humorous impression while sustaining lucidity .
Embryo development can’t be explained based on chromosomes/DNA. There is not enough information found there to explain cell differentiation into 200 or so cell types.
Identical reproduction is assumed but it is based on DNA only unless mutations happen…
Untold story, huge mystery: What is the placenta? I have a friend who says it is a being, like a living being, I don't want to botch it. I just listen to him with fascination when he speaks of it. Ferdinando Pisani.
The placenta is an organ—a temporary one. It is alive, but not independently. Its development, like that of the embryo, remains mysterious. Jonathan Wells points out the challenge evolutionary biologists face in explaining the origin of the information required for both embryonic and placental development, suggesting that it may point to sources of information beyond DNA.
While Wells’s explanations involve complex mathematical models, the illustrations he uses help clarify the core problem. In fact, a new branch of biology has been established to specifically address such questions.
According to the theory of evolution, placentas among true mammals should exhibit similar characteristics, based on the assumption of common descent. However, this is not what we observe. For example, research has revealed that syncytins—proteins essential to placental formation—appear to have independent origins in different mammalian lineages. Primates have one kind, mice another, and rabbits, cows, and carnivores yet others.
In simple terms, no currently known evolutionary mechanism can adequately explain not only how these proteins evolved independently in separate mammalian clades, but also why. Furthermore, the issue of protein folding poses another challenge: there doesn't appear to be enough evolutionary time to account for the emergence of these complex proteins through known mechanisms.
By the way, if I were you, I wouldn’t worry about making a few mistakes. Respected evolutionary biologists and physicists sometimes make bold claims without sufficient evidence. Just as many scientists scoff at flat-Earth beliefs, some of those same scientists suggest that the universe might be a two-dimensional holographic projection of reality. If that were true, wouldn’t the Earth appear flat in such a projection? (Just saying—lol.)
I really enjoy chatting with people who have inquiring minds and humility… I working on the latter.. lol
ETA: I forgot to provide the link to the video on “Design beyond DNA.” By Jonathan Wells.
The whole video is worth watching but at 38 min mark is the main point. This video changed my view on genetics and information theory in life-systems. It probably led me to discover that a common disorder affecting over 1 billion people believed to be genetic is actually caused by metabolic syndrome X.
20th image (green ink ''mama'') from top ,ie midpage www.sofiamusicschool.nl has side view of a burst mud bubble - conveniently
(re) nacre-ing a nemicolopterus(oide) nest ; and total of 5 sets of beaks ,some recently hatched ..Your
''explaining the origin of the information required for both embryonic and placental development''
has bearing precisely here .
Gestation within clade's eggs varied ,not shorter than three months - yet nest occupants at radically differing ''mosaic embrionic'' stages ,lower two with tiny ,just discernable ''beaks'' .
Implications reinforce temperature sensitivity - ie long periods of darkness ,or twighlight ,matching east avalonia,antarctica ,complete with Prof M Benton's (205Ma) dendition jawline ''avalonian curve'' 5th from page bottom .But thats a hunter ,gassed summarily ,sticking to side of nest ,before capsize ,perhaps .
This nest floated ,was designed to withstand coolish <50C mud volcano flow .
Video provided is a great springboard -It is a hypothetical correction ,not a redressing of clade existence GSSP's .
Really appreciate that 200 cell type point ,& mutations (mosaic embryos)
It's chromosone 22 that is assumed identical - retrospectively- as chromosone 11 .
Interests me particularly because my best friend at school had a father -an engineer - who helped build Hunterson nuclear power station ,near Largs ,SW of Glasgow ,Scotland ..
It was announced rudely on radio that if a male child of such an engineer was of such an age - they needed immediate testing for lukemia .
He did ,then died while battling bravely at least 5 years beforehand .I was visited desperately in dreams by this friend - all the while becoming a clone of Hirshorn in NL -and was oblivious to his death & suffering ,curse it .
However ,much later -while local expert geneticists were saying it was chromosone 11 that was mutated in utero - other ,more senior experts corrected me when 11 was magically transformed to 22 - without redress to data . The sperm of the father mutated along chromosone 11 .
I dont think they could do that queried at the time - but Dr Stefan Lanka is- thanks to Celia -and THIS history of HIV discussion - clarifying several zero (since 1954) -control conclusions worshipped behind the uk genome evolutionary 'scale'.
Lanka was right about the virus model being broken to say the least.
I know where he is coming from regarding the DNA/Chromosome issues. The Human Genome Project was a mainly a scam and Craig Venter reluctantly admitted it. However it killed one evolutionary assumption that 98% of human genome is evolutionary junk DNA. Many evolutionist committed career suicides over this issue and many of them had to go…
You however would have to make a choice: if viruses don’t exist, as you seem to imply, then evolution couldn’t not have happened. In other words you can’t have it both ways.
‘When evolutionary biologists like Chuong mapped the genomes of these cells, they found that the protein that allowed these cells to fuse into a wall, called syncytin, didn’t look like it came from human DNA. It looked more like HIV. According to Chuong, this protein actually came from an ancient retrovirus, the most famous of which is HIV.’
It’s some kind of reverse causation or logical fallacy or something.
The sequences thought to be HIV or retroviruses are found in healthy people, pregnant people, people with ‘TB’ and can be produced (by Montagnier at least) by stressing cells in culture. They’re also found in breast tumour cells but not in the surrounding normal tissue. They are endogenous responses to some sort of stress. The HIV ‘genome’ has millions of variants uploaded so there’s plenty to chose from.
Saying that syncytin looks like some of these sequences doesn’t mean anything at all! It means syncytin looks like some of these endogenous sequences erroneously said to be a pathogenic infectious entity that have never been demonstrated to exist or cause disease. https://jowaller.substack.com/p/the-importance-of-intellectual-freedom
Why would evolution not have happened without viruses? Genetic mutations, micro RNA, genetic variation selected for seem to be enough for most people. Bearing in mind the definition of a ‘virus’ is replication competent pathogenic and infectious entity.
To explain evolution - the building of new, more complex features of an organism - an injection of new information is needed. Virus insertions into genomes, like human genenom, are supposed to provide some explanation for this. So, if viruses don’t exist, or never did, one of the main explanations of additional sources of information needed for evolution is gone.
Mutations tend to break “genes” rather than improve their functions as most mutations are deleterious. The devolution, rather than evolution, of wolves into dogs, like chihuahuas, is a perfect example-broken “genes” leading to loss of “gene” functions.
In 2000 it became clear that Darwin’s tree of life needed to be uprooted, ‘as some “genes” in eukaryotes came as if from nowhere.’ Those genes could not be found anywhere else in life, like bacteria, to explain their origins. This is a major problem for evolutionary theory.
In simple terms, a new model of evolutionary tree or bush was needed but the evidence points to multiple trees of life rather than one.
Another problem with evolutionary theory is time. Bret Weinstein recently got a wake-up call, maybe even from me, and realized that the current evolutionary mechanism can’t explain the evolution of protein folds. There is not enough time in the universe. Covid-19 must have contributed to it as Bret initially claimed new SARS CoV2 variants were possible within months and then he went silent after I asked him to provide evidence for his claims.
I think that because we are so under the illusion that we’re separate from everything else in nature and are so unaware of the constant communication that’s going on between us, that when we see illness, really a collection of detoxification symptoms such as coughing and sneezing, ‘pass’ between people we cling to the belief that there must be an external nefarious entity which somehow travels through the air and ‘infects’ people. We find it hard to accept our interconnectedness and that we have the ability to communicate, with all beings around us and to help each other by signalling the need to rest and expel toxins, to alter each others gene expression and even to encode sequences into other’s DNA.
If you can prove your claims, unlike all the virus/contagion deniers, I will not only pay you an obscene amount of money, we may even share a Nobel Prize…
Let’s begin here: Do you know how to disprove an antibiotic or chloroquine resistance that I can prove with the scientific method?
Sequences produced under certain types of stress, such as those for ‘retroviruses’ (allegedly responsible for syncytin in the placenta) are mistakenly though to be infectious, pathogenic entities with the ability to insert themselves into our DNA. However, all cells contain reverse transcriptase, the enzyme enabling insertion, and until in 1984 when ‘HIV’ suddenly became the big killer; everyone understood that retroviruses were not infectious nor pathogenic- ie they were NOT viruses by definition. These endogenous proteins and sequences, like the so-called ‘HIV’ ones, produced under stress could also have the ability to be transmitted to others in order to be inserted into their DNA for a rainy day. It could absolutely explain how environmental pressure drives evolution. https://jowaller.substack.com/p/a-tiny-water-flea-has-31000-genes
You don’t know what evolution is because you probably never bothered looking up the definition of what evolution really means. I will help you.
Is evolution a change overtime? If this is the definition then it happens. I got my new drivers licence and I didn’t recognize myself on the picture. I have recently watched Celia’s video and I didn’t recognize her either. Life-sytems change overtime but that doesn’t mean they are going to become a new species…
More genetic information is contained in our symbiotic bacteria than in our human cells. Everything that we take into our bodies and minds affects gene expression in the microbiome, the mitochondria and the nuclei of cells. This expression then affects our bodies, health, thoughts and emotions. Much of the DNA in our cells is ‘non-coding’ yet is still transcribed into different types of RNA, mistakenly thought to be ‘viral’, which may be part of the communication.
and insertions could come from plasmids, micro RNA, we know now that DNA isn’t just read one way, than RNA alters DNA.
It does not require the cause of disease to be transmissible particles.
Duesberg himself said that ‘retroviruses’ Dna with reverse transcritpase were not infectious nor pathogenic, that they don’t cause disease - he is saying they’re not viruses.
I’m not saying that they’re aren’t mechansims by which DNA is altered.
I’m saying this is no evidence that disease is caused by ‘replication competent infectious disease causing entities’ that work against the body rather than for it.
You’re just going round and round without defining your terms. Nature, ‘viruses’ and germs are not trying to kill us. That’s not to say that there are not myriad ways that our bodies communication with each other and other organisms and update that we don’t even know about.
That doesn’t mean that disease is caused by ‘viruses’!
I have a >200Ma rock that ,over 20 years meticulous study cured me of the reification and romanticism attached to believing creationist memes .
It's a lager strasse - antarctic , oil shale- has implications for GSSP's ..Stored for convenience only at www.sofiamusicschol.nl top first 7 pictures of a sample of 25 life forms ,dont forget 5th from foot of page ,forget blurb .
In the interest of lucid hypotheses -how could 200Ma dendition closely matching tetrapod clades be so clearly related within the 8 or 16 snout ''openings'' , 5th photo from bottom of page cited .
zapping a bunch of liquid proteins in a synchrotron 4 gives zero enlightenment on this issue .
null point virus /retro existence is a naissence of a shadow of reality .
Thank you Celia for posting all this info and history. I was one of those who believed everything the media said about AIDS, HIV, how it was contracted, etc. I had many gay acquaintances, some of whom were promiscuous and into various drugs, including "poppers". Some of them came down with "AIDS".
I watched from afar, and didn't succumb to the fear, for the most part. I remember being tested for HIV before several stints as a paid volunteer in Pharma studies, and always was negative.
My brother-in-law was gay, and had moved to San Francisco. I later learned that he had developed all the severe effects of AIDS, but I never knew if he was on AZT. He suffered so badly that he gave up, moved back home, and suicided on strong barbituates obtained from his sister via their father's dental practice. ( we were estranged by then )
I only learned the real story of AIDS many years later, and am still learning. I think we all want this demon Fauci to hang.
MYHA
I knew NOTHING of Fauci before lockdowns. I had no TV so grateful to not be part of the daily bought of fear pushing. I was in my car returning from my weekly allowed excursion from the grocery gathering. Good ole AM radio was on when the staged fear pushing was going on and up pops fauci. My first time hearing that voice, when he said vaccines were the only way out I knew something was not right. A few weeks later as a 2020 lockdown CA inmate someone shared this documentary. I think this is the one Celia is interview, could be wrong as some time since I watched it. When I saw this It was like oh gosh, and Fauci was involved🤔
This documentary is about the HIV epidemic, many similarities to c-19. Fauci is interviewed.
House of Numbers | DocumentaryTube
http://www.documentarytube.com/videos/house-of-numbers
That is some documentary - howcome its not more visible ?
May open more eyes.
Can’t have that when trying to sell a sham.
Yall aren’t using your head. If vaccines are such a sham, why don’t we have a sham HIV vaccine? 🤔
If they want to sell drugs, why do they push a vaccine for Covid and not drugs ? 🤔
Fauci is an American hero. HIV causes AIDS and antiretrovirals save lives. Fauci has his up’s and downs and criticism is warranted for many mis-steps but he has done more to save lives than anyone if you could ever hope to.
Okie dokie.
more than that speak the truth first Bob Martin ramgbs.wordpress.com
I've said many times that I would prefer public drawing and quartering for Fauci. But I'd be okay with hanging.
I don't want to see anyone hanged.
I understand, just don't watch. He is deserving of the death penalty for decades of crimes against humanity.
Having worked in the aids units 1980's I can look back and connect how great the suffering caused by Fauci etc... "meds" (we gave). Sad reality needs justice!
Yeah, well, he had A LOT OF HELP.
The idea that poppers causes AIDS is preposterous. Gay men still use poppers and yet don’t die of AIDs.
AIDS deaths dropped off a cliff after HAART was released around 1996.
None of the HIV-positive AIDS denialists are around anymore because they all died. Turns out, retrovirals works. No one doubts this anymore.
Wow! Thank you for this very informative article Celia. I had heard that HIV did not cause AID’s & it does not seem to be the death sentence diagnosis it once was feared to be but I am curious as to what you might think caused the death of the patient’s who got AID’S in the late 80’s or early 90’s, would that have been from AZT or the treatment they received at the time or the lack of immunity to fight off any disease? My closest friend’s son died from it during that time but there was so much stigma surrounding it she wouldn’t even discuss it until just recently. My heart hurt for her.
The "side effects" of AZT are basically the same symptoms as those of AIDS. They were giving AZT to people who had NO symptoms, but tested positive for the virus. AZT killed a lot of people.
Right, exactly. They're black magicians.
I wondered that, thank you for responding. So sad…
I believe in the main mental terror drove it, AZT was by itself unsurvivable at high doses, and in addition, they had countless problems, infections, destroyed gut, cancers, etc--it is possible Hep B vaccine played a role. You can read a lot of history and scientific papers at www.Duesberg.com. I'm sorry about your friend's son.
People did not imagine "AIDS." It was "real."
AZT was some kind of occult sacrifice and torment ritual. What else can one conclude?
Thank you for your response Celia, I had heard years ago there was a link between the Hepatitis B vaccine being given to gay men & then them getting HIV but I did not know if there was any truth to that at that time. Frightening! And yes I also knew AID’s was real as that’s what my friend’s son died from, I just didn’t understand how everyone didn’t get it that got HIV. Thank you for the link, I will look at it. The nice thing about getting older is you’re never to old to learn but now you have more time to do it, a small blessing to aging. AZT reminds me of Remdesivir & seems to have the same outcome & the same person has been involved with both drugs, Fauci.
https://ahrp.org/1978-1981-hic-aids-and-cdcs-hepatitis-b-vaccine-experiment-in-young-homosexual-men-before-these-experiments-there-were-no-reported-cases-of-hiv-or-aids-in-america/
AZT was a cancer drug which got shelved because it was too toxic, killing cancer patients. Fauci got it off the shelf and said it would work to prevent AIDS, but, of course, by taking it, it ruined it and killed them. Then they'd say that the patient was too late in starting the treatment. He used the same trick for "covid" giving Remdesivir emergency use, the only one allowed to treat for it. Previously, it was used in one arm of an Ebola treatment trial. That arm was stopped because patients on it were going into kidney failure and dying quicker and mre frequently than the other arms. I never realised until "covid" they tell you a "vaccine" causes your body to make antibodies, which is desired response, yes? So, those tested for HIV became HIV+, which was bad! See how stupid we were? Young men, not all gays, would party hard, take drugs, prescribed and not, not eat properly, no sleep either and get very run down. If they just gave up party life and went home to mum, they'd probably get better. The more sensible ones, in good health, would do their bit and get tested, and, if positive, be told they definitely would get AIDS.... and here's some medicine to help you. As there is still no cure for this unicorn very infectious disease, why do we not hear about all the illness and deaths still? I had a work colleague from 80's die in his 40's. He may have been on AZT at the time, no one asked questions even 20 years later. I only found out re HIV/AIDS down the covid rabbit hole.
very infectious disease? Yes, we were told back in the late 1980's and early 1990's that AIDS would soon ravage the heterosexual community. Did it?
nope. see: Bill Clinton.
Jeffrey Epstein.
Sean Combs.
Only Fans. etc etc
I knew about Fauci & his financial interest in Remdesivir but confess I knew nothing about AZT. At that time I was sooo much younger & we didn’t have the convenience of computers yet so I didn’t research like I do now. I looked into the Covid vaccines so I didn’t get it & I look into into every pharmaceutical drug my physician recommends before I agree to take it, which fortunately after reading the side affects means I usually don’t take it. Lol. I’m more into naturopathic medicine these days & think it has helped me more. Thanks for your response!
This documentary is about the HIV epidemic, many similarities to c-19. Fauci is interviewed.
House of Numbers | DocumentaryTube
http://www.documentarytube.com/videos/house-of-numbers
How disheartening for all these patients to go to medical professionals & have them be so wrong & so many people died. It brings back this entire Covid fiasco & how much they got wrong there. I believe it really was more about control & who would go along. What is hard for me to understand is why they haven’t stopped the Covid Vaccine entirely. It never stopped transmission, wasn’t safe & effective & has either killed or injured hundreds of thousands if not millions they think worldwide. They stopped the swine flu vaccine in the 1970’s after 32 deaths. Different agenda??? Thanks again for sharing this video.
I hear you 1,000%. Guess it goes back decades to the Rockefeller changes. Heartbreaking as it is not good. Some will sell out to it and think on the good side we saw some who paid the price for not selling out. Like journalists who pay the price for being a real journalist. Guess we plug on and with each bit of truth we have in our backpacks we can maybe, just maybe enlighten one who will light the next candle.
So true, the Rockefeller’s were eugenist’s just like Bill Gates & his family so their agenda is quite obvious. You are right about them pushing out the honest ones whether they are physicians or journalists. I think how many physicians lost their medical license for promoting Ivermectin instead of Remdesivir. Sad…Awww, if only we could wiggle our noses & changes things. I have “woken” up a lot of people in the last decade through my research. Fifteen years ago I just got the “deer in the headlights look” & had to run home & make sure I hadn’t grown two heads at lunch 😂, but invariably that seed finally planted & now THEY ask me questions. I have to say it’s gratifying but I probably shouldn’t admit that. Lol
Thank you very much, I’m going to watch this now.
The House of Numbers is informative. Also, have a look at theperthgroup.com too. I keep away from the doctor.
I will thank you. Almost finished watching House of Numbers. Very informative!
Hiya, I've had similar comments about people who died from 'AiDS'. It makes me very angry that this happened to them. https://jowaller.substack.com/p/the-importance-of-intellectual-freedom/comments
LOVE YOUR WORK
2 Important links:
A) please read the 1st & last invention. Any link between Remdesivir & AZT stick out?
https://patents.justia.com/inventor/anthony-fauci
B) https://turbocancer.org is a fan of tour work. Under Legal, we'd love to link your most relevant article like Dr. Makis and McCullough.
Geoff, you may link to anything ,and need not ask, but thank you for your kind words. Fauci is unbelievable. How can we believe our eyes and minds? The era was Fauci's, 1984-2022. No President defined the era, the American BIB CHANGE.
He did, working silently. Always remember that AIDS Activists fomented the cult of Fauci, Larry Kramer, Peter Staley, all those guys. Staley even had a wine toast sort of date moment with him on a panel on TV, maybe Kennedy Center, something or other. It was supposed to be cute.
I’ve always felt like HIV and AIDs had gaps in their stories. Once I found that viruses aren’t what we know, then it explains why there’s so many holes here: https://unorthodoxy.substack.com/p/why-disease-causing-viruses-are-pseudoscience
This is a huge read. Great work.
I have lots and lots more but was thinking maybe it's water under bridge. I can post more, and will be discerning.
Celia please dont ''be discerning'' (in the sense you see much more & that's needed) - we need the whole perspective -complete as source material - link indexing it would make for swifter cross referencing for those unfamiliar .
Anyway your blind spots would hardly be discernable - if you protect us from them :)
How gratifying to see this subject hasn't been relegated to the dust bin of history. Celia has spent her career keeping it alive and should be commended. I've been reading Celia's articles since the 80's and she's a true hero of truth. In all this discussion I haven't seen any mention of Harris Coulter's "Aids and Syphilis the Hidden Link", this is the book that saved my life. When I was diagnosed hiv+ in 1991 I was pretty sure that my infection wasn't only hiv but syphilis as well based on the severity of my symptoms. When I presented this book to my so-called specialist, he blew it off and me as well. I had asked him to diagnos me but he refused and further refused my request to treat me for syphilis anyway. He convinced me I didn't have syphilis and I let it go. I had already refused his advice to take azt and told me outright that I was his first patient to decline this hateful drug. Maybe he was angry for that but in the end not taking the azt was the right thing to do as confirmed by a later infectious disease specialist I've been seeing recently who said only that I probably saved my own life..."probably" being the understatement of the century. Holistic medicine was my only option so I dove into an investigation of all of them, oxygen therapy seemed the best bet. Although Ozone therepy proved to be ineffective against viruses it was wildly effective against the bacterial syphlis. While I was injecting the Ozone to treat the virus I was sureptitiously treating the syphilis that my so-called specialist had assured my I didn't have. The whole story is too long and complicated to detail here but I would conclude that it never made sense to me to screen for syphilis using an antibody test in patients with known immume suppresion issues. WHY IS NO ONE TALKING ABOUT THIS?
Thanks Celia for the inspiration all these years, you really helped my through my darkest hours!
Pat
Harris Coulter was a giant, I knew him and thought very highly of him. He was also how I knew not to "vaccinate" my son.
Thank you for your comment. What stands out to me here regarding your “medical journey” is that the “modern medical system” didn’t help or support you in your healing journey in any way. You had to fit into their “one size fits all” model (and in your case with your HIV ’diagnosis’ and possible syphilis as well) or you weren’t going to get help from that “system”. Fortunately you had the wherewithal to seek care with “alternative/holistic healthcare providers”, who it seems have helped you.
But there are multitudes of people out there, who are basically receiving the same “one size fits all” care package from the “modern medical system”, who don’t even “question their doctors”. Eventually this “compliance” to that system and the doctors who “practice” in it, is leading to their deaths and or chronic dis-ease.
After 38 years it's clear to me that much of the fear mongering about an aids pandemic was mostly hubris, and the establisment hoods like fauci were likely aware of the syphilis present in many hiv patients. Instead of warning people and issuing useful protocols such as automatically treating new hiv patients for syphilis in spite of testing negative he exploited it because he wanted as many people to die as possible. The man is a sociaopath and a mass murderer. I'm not trying to diminish the suffering and death that occured in the late 80's and 90's but people were just too trusting of establishment medicine. I watched a lot of friends suffer and die, but many didn't heed my warning about the worthless azt--except for one and he is alive and thriving today. I often wonder how many faces and names on the aids quilt didn't die from hiv but from untreated syphilis or from the hated azt. All love.
Well you definitely had and have an “Angel on your shoulder” that led you to question what these doctors were saying and seek some treatment for yourself outside of the “modern medical system”.
Yes I agree Fauci is a sociopathic psycho, along the lines of Dr. Mengele, back in day. The deaths and destruction he has wrought in the name of “public health” now is legend. But many people don’t know about it.
I take it you are in relatively good health today, even with your ‘diagnosis’. And your experience 38 years ago protected and armed you for the Scam of Covidcon and since.
Blessings to you. 💓🙏🏼
Thank you for your support. Yes I am quite healthy my nagging kidney stone not withstanding. I see the doctor for that tomorrow. At times it did feel like I was guided and my twin brother was also a stalwart for me in my darkest hours, he really picked me up. The one good thing that I took away from the fake covid scam was my introduction into Ivermectin. I was able to procure some before the FDA stepped in and blocked internet sales of it. I don’t want to jump the gun but I have to report some incredible results since using it. One might say that since I’m still on the anti-virals I can’t claim success but since I’ve been on the same drug for many years during which time I saw no improvements in my labs; the only thing the drugs do is keep the virus out of the blood stream, there’s no attempt to treat the infection itself, why kill the goose that lays the golden eggs?
I too have a ‘fraternal’ twin brother! But I’m way more “in the know” about health than he is. We both have a thyroid ‘condition’. I have Hashimotos which I take a ‘natural’ thyroid (porcine) for. He has Graves Disease, it was diagnosed years ago, and he only did a brief treatment for it. But it has permanently changed his eyes. They are “buggy” now and were not like that before the Graves’ disease. He stays away from doctors, as the ‘endocrinologist” just wanted to “oblate” his thyroid and or remove it. He flew out of that guy’s office.
Thankyou-the voice of experience .
Jad Adams excellent book AIDS: The HIV Myth, has a chapter on AIDS and syphilis.
And Jad wrote it in 1987 if memory serves.
Cover-ups do benefit from "confusions" proliferated and maintained at "official" levels, the on going efficiency of the cover-up, can be maintained by proliferating the "confusions" Just saying
An entire semester compressed into a Sunday afternoon. I'll be waiting for the audio book on this one :- )
Interesting 🧐. The Gottlieb name . https://wehoonline.com/apla-health-unveils-michael-gottlieb-health-center/
Celia, Thank you for writing this, and many other things you have written on this subject, which you have inhabited and studied with mind, heart and gut.
I discovered Liam Scheff's work at the beginning of Covid, and that led to a deep dive into all of those old, dated looking websites, some of which have to be recovered from archive.org covering the HIV/AIDS theme from a dissenting point of view. Somewhere in there I encountered some of your work, and therefore, here I am... subscribed to your substack.
I just want to say that only today I found out that the word "heresy" has a Greek etymological connection to the meaning of "choose" or "choice"...
https://www.etymonline.com/word/heresy
And what is clear is that HIV/AIDS dissenters (including yourself) were all "choosers" of wider interpretations, broader discussions and permission to doubt that the orthodox dogmatists could not afford to tolerate. Therefore "heretics'...
My own history of advocating for choice in many realms (basically because I firmly believe that choice must arise from the same person upon which the consequences of said choice will fall), has shown me that the anti-choice advocate will always draw a direct line between a person's advocacy for choice and the same person's participation in actual murder.
I have been called a "baby-killer". I have been called a "granny-killer"... I am 100% certain that I have never participated in the murder of any baby or of any granny or of anyone else, for that matter.
But, for all of that, advocating that choices should be made by those who will face, and live with, the consequences of their choice (because if they are not, where - exactly - is everyone going to be when adverse consequences fall on a person who was deprived of choice?) makes a person a "heretic'.
And those who have hounded you, and Mbeki, and members of "The Group", and Duesberg, and all the others are clearly self appointed heresy-hunters forming a new Inquisition in Defense of the Faith in the Miraculous Nature of the Drug...
The life of a heretic is never an easy one, and also, I'm sorry to have to tell you this... heretics seldom get to write the history that later generations will read.
Still, THIS is good history... and, well, some of us - who are also heretics - are glad to read it.
Be well, Stay Free!
Brilliant observation about choice and the murder spells.
You're also so right about heretics and history. Heretics have lost too much energy by the time it's time to nail down any history. I have been praying for energy for so many years. I could never work out quite what was wrong with me. I have good days and less good days. But overall, energy improving. Biggest problem is brain stuff. ptsd stuff and nervous system. The terror of being a pariah turns into social phobia, introversion, isolation. Trying to change it all.
There was NEVER anything wrong with you. Be clear on that.
But heresy hunting is a deadly business. And real people suffer real hurt, as the defenders of every single Dogma that ever required that the faithful be protected from the least hint of doubt, go about their work.
Although the full story that you yourself know is not yet told, the evidence is already there. Wikipedia will tell you as a certainty how many deaths in South Africa can be attributed to the singular willingness of Thabo Mbeki to invite scientists to discuss the matter fully, from all possible perspectives, and provide evidence upon which to base policty and personal choice. There goes a man I honour (and there are not many politicians that I have ever been able to honour) despite the fact that history is unlikely to be kind to him.
As for you, there is no reason in the world for anyone to accept their hounders/hunters as either teachers or as judges. They will do what they will do, but no part of the world they believe in is the real one.
Be well, Stay free!
Thank you Scotlyn. The story of the hounding and hunting is still largely untold. Only alluded to. One puts it off. One fears drama, "victim consciousness" and all the bad goblins...but one also fears remembering. For this reason I have very advanced issues with disassociation, amnesia, and so forth. Nobody wants to write about their own rape. So to speak. That of others I am better with.
Your story is your own to tell in your own way, to whom you wish. The greater story comes from all of the bits and pieces that each of us can assemble from the bits and allegations we each gather. And it is never finished.
Be of good heart, Celia. :)
Thanks Celia. I was going to ask for some history. I know you said about the Perth group not being supportive- I'm intrigued to know more! I've found their work helpful, but of course I'm 40 years behind you and know nothing. I only woke up to HIV in 2020, having worked in pathology for years too!
They asked to be removed from my Harper's article because they said they could not return an edited version of the passage that was about their work, in almost one month. So they said "remove all mention of the Perth Group." I did. Guess what happened?
Vicious attacks by their acolytes. Still has not ended but now I think acolytes are connected to military.
So it was mostly the acolytes?
Thank you for educating me. I’m 67 and I lived through the “ health crisis” when I lived in Boston. I never got tested but watched many of my friends to numerous count die gruesome deaths while being medicated.
I have posted this interview before but under the circumstances will post again.
My introduction to Christine Maggiore. And more from Kary Mullis.
Esai Morales put a lot on the line back then putting together this talk.
I've watched it twice. So revealing.
I was quite shocked to hear of Christine's passing. Not to mention what she and her family went through with her sick daughter.
In any case, this group talk is a great primer introduction to Christine and two other former AIDS activists who spoke out.
And you can't get enough Kary.
https://rumble.com/v1rlm2w-corporate-greed-and-aids-with-kary-mullis.html
Thank you Judith! I don't know where to begin in dredging up and again telling of all the Satanic crimes committed against Christine and her family. I've written a few, and there will be more to come. I am finding myself having to re-write, resurrect, my works over decades, but NOW there are people around who can understand it, receive it, and guard it for posterity, so it is a worthwhile effort.
I was fortunate to have a friend lend me a copy of SPIN with your article when it came out in the 90's. It must be of the most significantly important things I've ever read and helped me make sense of the world. Thank you <3
Going back to what you were saying about depression Celia. Not to get all new age or lost in cod pyschology about it; diet and microbiome are important, however the real dude is suppression of anger right?
As women we feel the worst thing in the world is upsetting people. The worst thing is what's happening to children in Gaza, and those men doing it are proud of it!
We're afraid we'll lose control or cry or not be able to stop if we express our anger or let go. But it's doing the worst it could ever do to our insides.
Accept and acknowledge that we're pissed off as hell. And that's OK. Send all the love to the person inside of us who was misrepresented, hated and attacked, send all the love they need to feel respected, admired, loved, accepted and safe.
If endogenous retroviruses didn’t/ don’t exist, that would imply human evolution never occurred — for example, mammals would not have been able to evolve the placenta.
Who would even dare to suggest such a “heresy” and risk cutting their own career short?
One of the main reasons behind what some call the "religion of scientism" — a belief system founded on strict materialism — is that it "cannot allow a Divine Foot in the door," as some critics have put it.
Put simply, if virology were proven fraudulent, it could undermine evolutionary theory and other scientific frameworks built on similar principles. But how many scientists worldwide rely on these fields for their livelihoods? Millions? And how much funding do these sciences receive globally? Possibly trillions.
Who would allow such a paradigm shift to occur? Donald Trump might embrace it if he fully understood it — he has shown himself to be a strategic but often deceptive figure. Now, RFK Jr. appears to be confronting some of these controversial questions. If he challenges vaccine programs or questions scientific consensus, would he and Trump face enormous backlash? Probably — and that may explain RFK Jr.'s cautious approach.
After all, who would dare challenge the “golden calf” of modern science — a system that has fed millions and, some argue, misled billions?
Are you a creationist? Are you say evolution didn't happen?
The confusion around endogenous 'retroviruses' has a lot to answer for.
Or course reverse transcriptase, plasmids and circles of DNA or RNA exist. They are used in labs. As Duesberg said- they are not infectious nor pathogenic- therefore they are not viruses! They just carry genetic information.
People are arguing about things but first they need to very clearly and precisely define what they're talking about.
When chromosones are regarded as always mirrored after a number less than ,say 20 chromosomes in human genome - seems to generate more confusion than fact .
Because the assumption is of identical reproducability - which has been arrived at merely hypothetically ,ie without apparently related control experiments .
Dr Lanka makes a fairly humorous impression while sustaining lucidity .
https://odysee.com/@JediSleeveEyeCollege:4/True-Healing-Conference---Dr.-Stefan-Lanka---The-History-Of-Science---Virology:8
Should note that VPN tunneling bot censors interrupt this video ,to their permanent ineradicable lack of debate ,& credit .
Embryo development can’t be explained based on chromosomes/DNA. There is not enough information found there to explain cell differentiation into 200 or so cell types.
Identical reproduction is assumed but it is based on DNA only unless mutations happen…
Untold story, huge mystery: What is the placenta? I have a friend who says it is a being, like a living being, I don't want to botch it. I just listen to him with fascination when he speaks of it. Ferdinando Pisani.
The placenta is an organ—a temporary one. It is alive, but not independently. Its development, like that of the embryo, remains mysterious. Jonathan Wells points out the challenge evolutionary biologists face in explaining the origin of the information required for both embryonic and placental development, suggesting that it may point to sources of information beyond DNA.
https://youtu.be/ASAaANVBoiE?si=VLnIiLnCoLSdT2-p&t=2322
While Wells’s explanations involve complex mathematical models, the illustrations he uses help clarify the core problem. In fact, a new branch of biology has been established to specifically address such questions.
According to the theory of evolution, placentas among true mammals should exhibit similar characteristics, based on the assumption of common descent. However, this is not what we observe. For example, research has revealed that syncytins—proteins essential to placental formation—appear to have independent origins in different mammalian lineages. Primates have one kind, mice another, and rabbits, cows, and carnivores yet others.
In simple terms, no currently known evolutionary mechanism can adequately explain not only how these proteins evolved independently in separate mammalian clades, but also why. Furthermore, the issue of protein folding poses another challenge: there doesn't appear to be enough evolutionary time to account for the emergence of these complex proteins through known mechanisms.
By the way, if I were you, I wouldn’t worry about making a few mistakes. Respected evolutionary biologists and physicists sometimes make bold claims without sufficient evidence. Just as many scientists scoff at flat-Earth beliefs, some of those same scientists suggest that the universe might be a two-dimensional holographic projection of reality. If that were true, wouldn’t the Earth appear flat in such a projection? (Just saying—lol.)
I really enjoy chatting with people who have inquiring minds and humility… I working on the latter.. lol
ETA: I forgot to provide the link to the video on “Design beyond DNA.” By Jonathan Wells.
The whole video is worth watching but at 38 min mark is the main point. This video changed my view on genetics and information theory in life-systems. It probably led me to discover that a common disorder affecting over 1 billion people believed to be genetic is actually caused by metabolic syndrome X.
https://youtu.be/ASAaANVBoiE?si=VLnIiLnCoLSdT2-p&t=2322
20th image (green ink ''mama'') from top ,ie midpage www.sofiamusicschool.nl has side view of a burst mud bubble - conveniently
(re) nacre-ing a nemicolopterus(oide) nest ; and total of 5 sets of beaks ,some recently hatched ..Your
''explaining the origin of the information required for both embryonic and placental development''
has bearing precisely here .
Gestation within clade's eggs varied ,not shorter than three months - yet nest occupants at radically differing ''mosaic embrionic'' stages ,lower two with tiny ,just discernable ''beaks'' .
Implications reinforce temperature sensitivity - ie long periods of darkness ,or twighlight ,matching east avalonia,antarctica ,complete with Prof M Benton's (205Ma) dendition jawline ''avalonian curve'' 5th from page bottom .But thats a hunter ,gassed summarily ,sticking to side of nest ,before capsize ,perhaps .
This nest floated ,was designed to withstand coolish <50C mud volcano flow .
Video provided is a great springboard -It is a hypothetical correction ,not a redressing of clade existence GSSP's .
Really appreciate that 200 cell type point ,& mutations (mosaic embryos)
It's chromosone 22 that is assumed identical - retrospectively- as chromosone 11 .
Interests me particularly because my best friend at school had a father -an engineer - who helped build Hunterson nuclear power station ,near Largs ,SW of Glasgow ,Scotland ..
It was announced rudely on radio that if a male child of such an engineer was of such an age - they needed immediate testing for lukemia .
He did ,then died while battling bravely at least 5 years beforehand .I was visited desperately in dreams by this friend - all the while becoming a clone of Hirshorn in NL -and was oblivious to his death & suffering ,curse it .
However ,much later -while local expert geneticists were saying it was chromosone 11 that was mutated in utero - other ,more senior experts corrected me when 11 was magically transformed to 22 - without redress to data . The sperm of the father mutated along chromosone 11 .
I dont think they could do that queried at the time - but Dr Stefan Lanka is- thanks to Celia -and THIS history of HIV discussion - clarifying several zero (since 1954) -control conclusions worshipped behind the uk genome evolutionary 'scale'.
Lanka was right about the virus model being broken to say the least.
I know where he is coming from regarding the DNA/Chromosome issues. The Human Genome Project was a mainly a scam and Craig Venter reluctantly admitted it. However it killed one evolutionary assumption that 98% of human genome is evolutionary junk DNA. Many evolutionist committed career suicides over this issue and many of them had to go…
I’m not a creationist.
You however would have to make a choice: if viruses don’t exist, as you seem to imply, then evolution couldn’t not have happened. In other words you can’t have it both ways.
Oh I think I see the problem re the placenta
‘When evolutionary biologists like Chuong mapped the genomes of these cells, they found that the protein that allowed these cells to fuse into a wall, called syncytin, didn’t look like it came from human DNA. It looked more like HIV. According to Chuong, this protein actually came from an ancient retrovirus, the most famous of which is HIV.’
It’s some kind of reverse causation or logical fallacy or something.
The sequences thought to be HIV or retroviruses are found in healthy people, pregnant people, people with ‘TB’ and can be produced (by Montagnier at least) by stressing cells in culture. They’re also found in breast tumour cells but not in the surrounding normal tissue. They are endogenous responses to some sort of stress. The HIV ‘genome’ has millions of variants uploaded so there’s plenty to chose from.
Saying that syncytin looks like some of these sequences doesn’t mean anything at all! It means syncytin looks like some of these endogenous sequences erroneously said to be a pathogenic infectious entity that have never been demonstrated to exist or cause disease. https://jowaller.substack.com/p/the-importance-of-intellectual-freedom
And epigentics and reverse transcriptase being found in all cells
Why would evolution not have happened without viruses? Genetic mutations, micro RNA, genetic variation selected for seem to be enough for most people. Bearing in mind the definition of a ‘virus’ is replication competent pathogenic and infectious entity.
To explain evolution - the building of new, more complex features of an organism - an injection of new information is needed. Virus insertions into genomes, like human genenom, are supposed to provide some explanation for this. So, if viruses don’t exist, or never did, one of the main explanations of additional sources of information needed for evolution is gone.
Mutations tend to break “genes” rather than improve their functions as most mutations are deleterious. The devolution, rather than evolution, of wolves into dogs, like chihuahuas, is a perfect example-broken “genes” leading to loss of “gene” functions.
In 2000 it became clear that Darwin’s tree of life needed to be uprooted, ‘as some “genes” in eukaryotes came as if from nowhere.’ Those genes could not be found anywhere else in life, like bacteria, to explain their origins. This is a major problem for evolutionary theory.
https://labs.icb.ufmg.br/lbem/aulas/grad/evol/treeoflife-complexcells.pdf
In simple terms, a new model of evolutionary tree or bush was needed but the evidence points to multiple trees of life rather than one.
Another problem with evolutionary theory is time. Bret Weinstein recently got a wake-up call, maybe even from me, and realized that the current evolutionary mechanism can’t explain the evolution of protein folds. There is not enough time in the universe. Covid-19 must have contributed to it as Bret initially claimed new SARS CoV2 variants were possible within months and then he went silent after I asked him to provide evidence for his claims.
I think that because we are so under the illusion that we’re separate from everything else in nature and are so unaware of the constant communication that’s going on between us, that when we see illness, really a collection of detoxification symptoms such as coughing and sneezing, ‘pass’ between people we cling to the belief that there must be an external nefarious entity which somehow travels through the air and ‘infects’ people. We find it hard to accept our interconnectedness and that we have the ability to communicate, with all beings around us and to help each other by signalling the need to rest and expel toxins, to alter each others gene expression and even to encode sequences into other’s DNA.
If you can prove your claims, unlike all the virus/contagion deniers, I will not only pay you an obscene amount of money, we may even share a Nobel Prize…
Let’s begin here: Do you know how to disprove an antibiotic or chloroquine resistance that I can prove with the scientific method?
Yes or No?
I know what evolution is.
Sequences produced under certain types of stress, such as those for ‘retroviruses’ (allegedly responsible for syncytin in the placenta) are mistakenly though to be infectious, pathogenic entities with the ability to insert themselves into our DNA. However, all cells contain reverse transcriptase, the enzyme enabling insertion, and until in 1984 when ‘HIV’ suddenly became the big killer; everyone understood that retroviruses were not infectious nor pathogenic- ie they were NOT viruses by definition. These endogenous proteins and sequences, like the so-called ‘HIV’ ones, produced under stress could also have the ability to be transmitted to others in order to be inserted into their DNA for a rainy day. It could absolutely explain how environmental pressure drives evolution. https://jowaller.substack.com/p/a-tiny-water-flea-has-31000-genes
You don’t know what evolution is because you probably never bothered looking up the definition of what evolution really means. I will help you.
Is evolution a change overtime? If this is the definition then it happens. I got my new drivers licence and I didn’t recognize myself on the picture. I have recently watched Celia’s video and I didn’t recognize her either. Life-sytems change overtime but that doesn’t mean they are going to become a new species…
Capish?
More genetic information is contained in our symbiotic bacteria than in our human cells. Everything that we take into our bodies and minds affects gene expression in the microbiome, the mitochondria and the nuclei of cells. This expression then affects our bodies, health, thoughts and emotions. Much of the DNA in our cells is ‘non-coding’ yet is still transcribed into different types of RNA, mistakenly thought to be ‘viral’, which may be part of the communication.
Again, this proves you are way behind on this topic and confused to say the least…
If most of our DNA doesn’t code for proteins, what is its function? Why does it get transcribed?
I know you don’t have a good answer for this question so I’m not going to make you come up with a bad one… lol
and insertions could come from plasmids, micro RNA, we know now that DNA isn’t just read one way, than RNA alters DNA.
It does not require the cause of disease to be transmissible particles.
Duesberg himself said that ‘retroviruses’ Dna with reverse transcritpase were not infectious nor pathogenic, that they don’t cause disease - he is saying they’re not viruses.
I’m not saying that they’re aren’t mechansims by which DNA is altered.
I’m saying this is no evidence that disease is caused by ‘replication competent infectious disease causing entities’ that work against the body rather than for it.
You’re just going round and round without defining your terms. Nature, ‘viruses’ and germs are not trying to kill us. That’s not to say that there are not myriad ways that our bodies communication with each other and other organisms and update that we don’t even know about.
That doesn’t mean that disease is caused by ‘viruses’!
https://jowaller.substack.com/p/a-tiny-water-flea-has-31000-genes?utm_source=publication-search
They could or they could not. The problem is proving it. Can you?
Just because something could happen it does’t mean it happened unless we have the mechanism to prove it, which neither you nor Richard Dawkins have…
I have a >200Ma rock that ,over 20 years meticulous study cured me of the reification and romanticism attached to believing creationist memes .
It's a lager strasse - antarctic , oil shale- has implications for GSSP's ..Stored for convenience only at www.sofiamusicschol.nl top first 7 pictures of a sample of 25 life forms ,dont forget 5th from foot of page ,forget blurb .
In the interest of lucid hypotheses -how could 200Ma dendition closely matching tetrapod clades be so clearly related within the 8 or 16 snout ''openings'' , 5th photo from bottom of page cited .
zapping a bunch of liquid proteins in a synchrotron 4 gives zero enlightenment on this issue .
null point virus /retro existence is a naissence of a shadow of reality .