I live in NZ and can provide a bit of context. "Reality Check Radio" was set up about a year ago by Voices For Freedom (VFF) which is an activist group that was set up during the Covid Era
Dr Matt Shelton is one of the founding members of NZDSOS - New Zealand Doctors Standing For Science.
Matt has lost his medical license, like most members of NZDSOS
He is a prominent voice in the NZ alt landscape. He's a great guy - he spoke at the parliament occupation/protests a year ago in Wellington
It seems the NZ 'establishment' don't listen and pretend all is well.
Nazis are now running NZ for WEF boss Adolf Schwab and his depopulating New World Order.
NO LIABILITY for the DEADLY 'Experimental' vax makers is insane but totally necessary to continue making big bucks with no consequences for Vax DEATHS!
Given several of the comments here reference the history/existence of viruses, I want to share a documentary that provides plenty of history. Our host, Celia, is interviewed.
Many of the names are familiar to those paying attention (Fauci, Gallo, Mullis and Duesberg). It had a profound effect on the way I think about “healthcare.” For several years I asked my spouse many times to watch it. She did not or would not.
Over a long drive this past Thanksgiving, I turned it on in the car and didn’t say a word - just let it play. She started watching, couldn’t stop watching. When it was over she couldn’t stop crying.
I need you to listen for a moment: This "debate" began in the modern era in 1987, when Peter Duesberg blew up his career by writing a paper in Cancer Research saying AIDS was not caused by a virus, HIV was not a pathogen, AIDS was not infectious, not spread sexually, but did not say "no retroviruses exist." Perth Group same rough time period said there was no proof for the existence of "HIV." Dr. Stefan Lanka took it further, in the 90s, and argued against certain "viruses," and probably all "viruses."
Given several of the comments here reference the history/existence of viruses, I want to share a documentary that provides plenty of history. Our host, Celia, is interviewed.
Many of the names are familiar to those paying attention (Fauci, Gallo, Mullis and Duesberg). It had a profound effect on the way I think about “healthcare.” For several years I asked my spouse many times to watch it. She did not or would not.
Over a long drive this past Thanksgiving, I turned it on in the car and didn’t say a word - just let it play. She started watching, couldn’t stop watching. When it was over she couldn’t stop crying.
I wish I could think of a single documentary I was ever involved in that didn't leave me with a piece of my soul saddened.
My simple rule is: Never again, never ever. I'm sorry if this is unfair but I would trust a Norwegian to leave a generous tip before I would trust a documentary film maker to do anything except betray. Because that is what they do.
It’s not unfair. Unfortunately, I’m sure it is all too accurate.
Throughout the 80’s and 90’s, the media and medical establishment made it sound like HIV could infect anybody at anytime. Yet, it was a decade after moving from my small West Coast hometown to a major Eastern US city that I even knew somebody with HIV/AIDS. I started to feel something about the whole thing was off.
It wasn’t until much later that I learned there were a few, courageous investigative journalists, scientists and doctors that sacrificed so much to get the truth out.
When the real history of this medical reign of terror is written, I have no doubt the prevailing wisdom will reflect Churchill’s words from 1940, “Never ... was so much owed by so many to so few.”
Thank you for your uncompromising pursuit of the truth in the face of such adversity and, for lack of a better word, evil.
First, I am sorry for your loss. And sorry about your brother.
I get "a tad didactic" (admittedly) when people make no effort to understand the lineage of all this because a few probably planted agents have been terrorizing what was once a very committed and even structured war—the agents made it all Trotsky-ite misery, condemnation, terror, accusation, extreme bullying, targeting. Nobody ever asks me about this. They want people to think Duesberg was crap. Mullis was crap. Crowe, Rasnick…but the amazing thing is they don't even know a fraction of the well over 2000 scientists around the world who signed their names to the opposition. So why should I care? Because I am 100% clear we were infiltrated and I am not ever going to stop trying to protect the history as best I can and not let names of people I knew and loved get dragged through the trendy mud of the trendy no virus in crowd.
Was I more didactic or less didactic by the end of that comment?
It's easy for me to believe and appreciate the hell that you've been through, Celia, in trying to expose the AIDS scam all those years ago.
Living through recent years of the Covid scam (and the escalating Climate scam) and seeing how people vigorously defend the Dystopian False Narratives in society and even within my own family is painful enough.
People are intensely brain-washed by the relentless political propaganda. When challenged they defend their propagandised myopia even more fervently. They build higher walls to block out the truth that we try to share. Their psychological conditioning is entrenched and furrowed.
Celia, earlier this year I bought a copy of your book, "Serious Adverse Events, An Uncensored History of AIDS" but still have yet to read it. Unfortunately, it's on a huge pile of other unread books on raging dystopia and totalitarianism. I'm overloaded and overwhelmed by so many cross-related tyranny themes. It's hard to process it all.
However, I've read copious threads and watched many videos on this topic, so I'm now very familiar and aware of the ugly manufactured lies and deceptions. Little persuasion is needed to convince me of the Trotskyite dynamics in light of the Convid-1984 era.
I'm still stuck half way through reading George Orwell's "Nineteen-Eighty-Four" - real-world tyranny keeps me too distracted every day; I may never finish it. I look forward to eventually reading your book and depleting my pile of other books. I appreciate your soulful authenticity, Celia, and have great respect for the hardy truth path that you've endured for decades. I feel your pain!
I don't find you patronizing or pedantic so please keep saying it like it is! ;) I do think certain beliefs have done more harm by distracting and dividing at a time when everyone should be coming together to fight for truth and freedom. If we don't win this free speech issue no group will be able to voice anything whether they believe in no-virus, a flat earth, or aliens. Thank you for being in the battle!
My life was never touched by AIDS. Back then I was busy being driven by my heterosexual hormones at uni with a major in history, minor in anthropology, and writing pieces like "The Phallacy of Radical Feminism" for the student rag. Looking at your career in retrospect, Celia, I so admire your visceral perseverance and fortitude to keep beating your head against brick walls. Thank goodness you're on our side!
I remember getting that feeling when I was defending RFKjr and Del Bigtree. I was trying to be reasonable saying it would be very hard for them to come out and say viruses don't exist as people already think of them as cooks. This would give more ammunition.
Plus there are smart people like Suzanne Humphries who think viruses are real.
Both sides have scientific evidence to support their claims and to be honest most of it is above my head.
But my defending them by pointing out the good work they do when it comes to vaccines and pandemics was met with cries of "they are shills who don't care about the truth"
I'm sorry but sometimes saving children and winning battles is more important than truth.
The Baileys even said that pandemics would be a thing of the past if we get everyone to stop believing in viruses. Then we would win.
Ok, but then they would switch over to toxins. Oh we dumped a bunch of Dioxins here it is in the air and causes cancer we need everyone to wear a mask and isolate from others. We also need to kill all the cattle as their meat is tainted with Dioxin.
They still get everything the want and no need for a virus!
A conversation between two founding members of New Zealand Doctors Speaking Out with Science about Covid, health and New Zealand's policies (www.nzdsos.com)
Hat tip: "Matt Shelton, a Covid Hero of New Zealand
Matt Lost Everything -- But Fulfilled his Duty to Warn His Patients"
DR. MATT SHELTON: You would want some basic safety questions to be answered, and particularly if you were using it to provoke an immune response. And they were very straightforward questions that it seemed to me at the time and much more clearly now, looking back, weren't even asked of regulator authorities.
DR. EMANUEL GARCIA: Before we get into technicalities of the jab and all that, we have this response by the state, to lock people down, to mandate social distancing, masks, etcetera. These are tremendous incursions on humans' rights, OK. I remember that we were not even allowed to swim in the harbor because apparently we might have an accident that would overburden the healthcare system. I remember walking into a hospital during the first lockdown, it was a ghost town. There was nobody there. So people absorbed all these incursions and they accepted them because they were being told by the government that this is the only way to keep us safe. And we're going to be hunkered down and use all these measures. And they would pursue a no-covid policy at the time. Do you remember that?
DR. MATT SHELTON: Oh yeah, very well.
DR. EMANUEL GARCIA: What's happened with the no-covid policy since then?
DR. MATT SHELTON: Well, I think we all know the truth of that. There are people who are getting their second or third dose of it. And we had it big time. We kicked the can down the road. And I suspect it's the worse because of that. But I remember clearly, too, in general practice, you know, no patients could come in. If they thought they might have covid or something really important, we'd see them in the car park. And then we had a beautiful summer and it went on a long time. And it was actually a relative oasis of peace and quiet, except there were these problems stacking up in the background. People being too afraid. And I think the overwhelming issue of course was the fear that was induced in everybody. And I think people imagined that there were these battle grounds going on in emergency departments and in general practice where these people were crawling in you know with overwhelming covid in the hundreds and thousands. And I spoke to many hospital doctors during that time. They were bored to death! You know, they had nothing to do. And they had no patients because nobody was being allowed in. So you know, it was a surreal time. But personally I wasn't scared. I could see how peoples' rational thought processes were being shut down, which of course what happens when you're afraid. But the messaging was continuously around the worse case scenario that was going to be visited on everybody.
Meantime, there were papers coming out all over the place giving us a much, even clearer idea, you know, who the at-risk groups were, but also why. You know, what was the pathology? Why were certain groups so vulnerable to this virus? And why were, the people in ICUs being ventilated, you know, responding differently compared to other respiratory pathogens? At it was becoming clear that actually this seemed to be a vascular, blood vessel issue from this virus, rather than respiratory. It wasn't all the people with CODP,* chronic respiratory lung disease that were the first ones to fall over, or filling up the ICUs. It was the people that already had vascular disease that goes along with obesity and diabetes, and just being older, too.
DR MATT SHELTON: By then it was even clearer that we were dealing with an influenza-level illness that we've all worked through before. The older we are, the more of these things we've worked through. It's what we do, dealing with winter illness. And sometimes there's a particular virus, usually a virus, that you can put a name to, and that has a very distinct sort of clinical pattern that you recognize quite early on. Usually doctors will get it early on in the season because we're being exposed to it. And it didn't seem there was any need for this radical change in the way we delivered public health.
And the message also was much more about that. It was less about the individual circumstances of the patients and more about what was sounding increasingly like dictates. And inflexible one size fits all solutions that we were going to have to impose on people.
And you asked previously about how some of the doctors I knew responded. Some were obviously frightened. They really thought it was the worst infectious disease since the Middle Ages and that you know we were all going to die unless we did something about it.
Others were much more sanguine. They recognized the politics
and the imperatives, but the feeling was, you know, the sort of Soviet shrug, you know, what can we do? You know, not for us to
question or risk trouble by questioning our betters. So there wasn't a lot of support certainly in my local area for my views. But they were respected. I was allowed to have them. And nobody told me that I should change my tune.
30:42
DR. EMANUEL GARCIA: And I would add that when you say, your views, you're talking about a traditionally commonsensical medical approach to an illness. Your views were, we should look at treating people who have symptoms, we should look at the actual lethality of this thing, which is not really so terrible. We should look at developing, if we do develop a vaccine, a vaccine that has enough time to develop properly and not be foisted on people. We should look at nutrition, we should look at basic healthy lifestyle, we should look at nutraceuticals, whatever. These are all very traditional, very basic. Somehow it all seemed to get turned around and anyone who talked about natural immunity, treatment, caution about an untested global universal intervention, they were turned into heretics. And in fact, I mean, you suffered the brunt of this. You had your license suspended, am I correct in saying that?
DR. MATT SHELTON: Well, ultimately. You know I think I got away with quite a lot before finally that dance with the authorities resulted in me losing my license, which I did get back actually, briefly. But yeah, the longer it went on, the louder the alarm bells around, you know, the departure from the norm.
And we practice how we practice. And as a psychiatrist you will know, you know, you get into a groove, everything that you do is based on everything that's come before, you know, all of our experience, the observations we make, the things that— the generalities that seem to work, you know, some of the time in some people. You know, and then specifics, but the barn door principles of not just public health but also the engagement with our patients as individuals and the advice that we come up with, that is unique to that consultation with that person in that moment, was superceded by these dictates and this messaging from our own colleges and our own medical council, but also the higher level via the Ministry of Health. And the government ministers and the Prime Minister were all weighing in on very particular medical issues that I will believe to my dying day, you know, need to be left to the professionals that have spent their whole careers leading up to this moment.
DR. EMANUEL GARCIA: Be more specific. When you say, weighing in on medical issues, tell me exactly what you mean by that.
DR. MATT SHELTON: Well it's hard to find another word than propaganda, but the relentless unity of messaging, this one size fits all. You know, there is no nuance, there is no accounting for the differences between people and patient groups and risk stratification. And that the vaccine will give you your lives back—
DR. EMANUEL GARCIA: You're talking about the jab now, specifically.
DR. MATT SHELTON: Yeah, but that also applies to the messaging around lockdowns, social distancing, masks, you know, which, which very clearly there is minimal science if any to support the mask compulsion, for people to cover their faces. Of all ages.
DR. EMANUEL GARCIA: And I'll go back and I'll say first of all, there was no science involved in the decision to lockdown the healthy. There is no science behind this idea of social distancing. It's absolutely absurd. OK? And with respect to masks, again, there's no science behind that at all. And despite the fact the holes in the mask are, what, 10, 20, 100 times bigger than the so-called pathogen or whatever it is, they don't work. Even if masks did work, then what is the cost of having people wear masks everywhere? Having little kids in schools be put into masks? The psychological, the emotional, the human cost of this stuff is incredible.
They shut down the ability of people to gather, to be with their loved ones, to enjoy everything that makes life worth living because they were trying to save us from the most lethal illness that has ever hit humanity. Meantime, there were case counts, death counts, counts of everything you can name, and the fear factor was being promoted relentlessly. You couldn't go a day without hearing something or other being bludgeoned by the fear missile from media. And the government of course became the single source of truth. And let's get down to your position and how the authorities responded to your raising very commonsensical questions about individual treatment, as well as public policy.
MATT SHELTON: Yes, well, we put all those separate concerns in writing. And we wrote to our regulator authorities and the government in April 2020. Around Easter. We actually mugged up this letter over Easter weekend really. And we had 20 or 30 people, something or other, who were prepared to put their names to it. Thinking that we'd at least get a conversation going. You know. So most of it was questions. Hey, well, what about? And, what if? And we we were greeted with complete silence.
36: 27
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There's an interesting point at around 13:44 in the Rumble interview with Matt where he states that the use of PCR in Covid had never been done before.
As Celia states in her book Serious Adverse Events, the HIV/AIDS scare was almost exactly the same playbook as Covid
In HIV false diagnosis, PCR ("viral load") played only a supporting role, drove medication regimens, but not diagnostic by itself. That was too crazy even for the HIV crazies. Things got crazier.
Yes cat's out of the bag for some time now despite over-and-over attempts at stuffing it back in. Still can't quite integrate what we just lived through, or comprehend how many didn't.
What would it look like, be like, if the dam burst? It has burst. Yet it is never allowed to really and truly burst. It's beyond surreal. I sometimes wonder if reality can even be real anymore.
Barry Young's interview with Alex Jones - who was effusively sycophantic throughout the interview:
"I am a data base administrator..I live in the shadows of IT..We are trusted with the data..I helped build the system..They were singing my praises..From beginning to end, I was involved with all different aspects..
"It's a financial transaction system..It's not the only system, we have others..I had access to the whole Enchilada..
"God and the Universe put me in place to do this..I was never anti-vx.
14:35: "I have had high level access all over the world. I worked in Swiss banks in Zurich, so I had top level clearance.."
Ah yes: Swiss Banks - the Belly of the Beast.
God chose Winston. That will go down well. Sounds to me like he was managing the system that paid the medical collaborators.
He walked into the arraignment wearing a "Memory Walk" T-shirt that he just happened to be wearing when arrested. Alzheimers is being heavily promoted just now and is on the rise - esp amongst younger people.
THIS IS A SAD SITUATION THAT CALLS FOR ALL PEOPLES TO UNITE WITH GOD AND LIKE MINDED SOLDIERS OF JESUS TRY IT YOULL LIKE IT, RIGHTEOUSNESS. ''Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep, which was lost.”
So far, I only know a handful of vaxxed people who were likely vaccine-injured but no deaths. I know many more who've been vaxxed multiple times (up to 4 jabs) and they seem ok. So either most of the shots really were placebos or they're ticking time bombs or the primary goal is to reduce fertility without other side effects. Or perhaps the shots are kill-switches that can be remotely activated.
I haven't been ill in years. It seems I am resistant to more than dis-ease: BS and coercion leaves me nonplussed....and I am majorly resistant to the need for Hero Worship.
The four "possible" New Zealand deaths on the news report probably exceeds the "actual" number of "lives saved" worldwide by the injections. Prove otherwise.
Every time I hear someone like Dr. Mark Shelton (I assume that's him listing various deaths after jabs on the clip) reporting data that is of crucial importance in our war of ideas, I think, "this is great -- okay now let's get down to the meat and potatoes and actually verify this tissue of claims". But almost NEVER do we ever drill down to that level of actual, concrete, Goddamned evidence, and social media inhabitants instead float around in various stages of confirmation bias resting on effectively unverified claims. When I point this out and press the issue, all I get is prickly pushback (except from a paltry handful of Alt-Peasants in comments here and there).
Nazis are now running NZ for WEF boss Adolf Schwab and his depopulating New World Order. NO LIABILITY for the DEADLY vax makers is insane but totally necessary to continue making big bucks with no consequences for Vax DEATHS! Barry Young is a hero! Mick from Hooe (UK) Unjabbed to live longer!
So many psyops, so little time. The Coroner just opened the 'inquest' on 24 October.
Criminalising and removing the video also prevented people from seeing the Men in Red Coats who appeared on two occasions at the start. They were clearly directing 'traffic'.
I live in NZ and can provide a bit of context. "Reality Check Radio" was set up about a year ago by Voices For Freedom (VFF) which is an activist group that was set up during the Covid Era
Dr Matt Shelton is one of the founding members of NZDSOS - New Zealand Doctors Standing For Science.
Matt has lost his medical license, like most members of NZDSOS
He is a prominent voice in the NZ alt landscape. He's a great guy - he spoke at the parliament occupation/protests a year ago in Wellington
"Matt has lost his medical license, like most members of NZDSOS"
Unsurprising. Any doctor who might have tried to stop Josef Mengele's experiments would probably have met a similar fate.
New Zealand should provide a fair and speedy trial for the experimenters and exile them to a farm labor camp in Argentina.
Wouldn't Nuremberg have had them exterminated?
The number of those prosecuted at Nuremberg for complicity in the medical experimentation on prisoners was, alas, a tiny proportion.
Reality check radio link -> https://realitycheck.radio/
It seems the NZ 'establishment' don't listen and pretend all is well.
Nazis are now running NZ for WEF boss Adolf Schwab and his depopulating New World Order.
NO LIABILITY for the DEADLY 'Experimental' vax makers is insane but totally necessary to continue making big bucks with no consequences for Vax DEATHS!
Barry Young is a hero!
Mick from Hooe (UK) Unjabbed to live longer!
Thank you for the backstory.
Given several of the comments here reference the history/existence of viruses, I want to share a documentary that provides plenty of history. Our host, Celia, is interviewed.
Many of the names are familiar to those paying attention (Fauci, Gallo, Mullis and Duesberg). It had a profound effect on the way I think about “healthcare.” For several years I asked my spouse many times to watch it. She did not or would not.
Over a long drive this past Thanksgiving, I turned it on in the car and didn’t say a word - just let it play. She started watching, couldn’t stop watching. When it was over she couldn’t stop crying.
House of Numbers - https://rumble.com/v1p67qw-2009-hivaids-documentary-house-of-numbers-anatomy-of-an-epidemic.html
That was an amazing doco!
I need you to listen for a moment: This "debate" began in the modern era in 1987, when Peter Duesberg blew up his career by writing a paper in Cancer Research saying AIDS was not caused by a virus, HIV was not a pathogen, AIDS was not infectious, not spread sexually, but did not say "no retroviruses exist." Perth Group same rough time period said there was no proof for the existence of "HIV." Dr. Stefan Lanka took it further, in the 90s, and argued against certain "viruses," and probably all "viruses."
History.
Ignored.
Willfully.
ALL the time.
The Baileys are delightful, so is Dr. Cowan, Dr. Kaufman, etc but I feel like I'm in the Twilight Zone that nobody can go back further than 2020. Here: www.Duesberg.com www.rethinkingaids.com www.theperthgroup.com
Given several of the comments here reference the history/existence of viruses, I want to share a documentary that provides plenty of history. Our host, Celia, is interviewed.
Many of the names are familiar to those paying attention (Fauci, Gallo, Mullis and Duesberg). It had a profound effect on the way I think about “healthcare.” For several years I asked my spouse many times to watch it. She did not or would not.
Over a long drive this past Thanksgiving, I turned it on in the car and didn’t say a word - just let it play. She started watching, couldn’t stop watching. When it was over she couldn’t stop crying.
House of Numbers - https://rumble.com/v1p67qw-2009-hivaids-documentary-house-of-numbers-anatomy-of-an-epidemic.html
Thank you.
I wish I could think of a single documentary I was ever involved in that didn't leave me with a piece of my soul saddened.
My simple rule is: Never again, never ever. I'm sorry if this is unfair but I would trust a Norwegian to leave a generous tip before I would trust a documentary film maker to do anything except betray. Because that is what they do.
It’s not unfair. Unfortunately, I’m sure it is all too accurate.
Throughout the 80’s and 90’s, the media and medical establishment made it sound like HIV could infect anybody at anytime. Yet, it was a decade after moving from my small West Coast hometown to a major Eastern US city that I even knew somebody with HIV/AIDS. I started to feel something about the whole thing was off.
It wasn’t until much later that I learned there were a few, courageous investigative journalists, scientists and doctors that sacrificed so much to get the truth out.
When the real history of this medical reign of terror is written, I have no doubt the prevailing wisdom will reflect Churchill’s words from 1940, “Never ... was so much owed by so many to so few.”
Thank you for your uncompromising pursuit of the truth in the face of such adversity and, for lack of a better word, evil.
Do you mean House of Numbers betrayed you? By not including your best points or taking something out of context?
I enjoyed HoN but it has been a few years since I watched it. Can't remember exactly what you said in it but I'm sure you were in a fair bit.
The best bit was when the high up academic was asked what "isolation" meant and instead of answering he got visibly angry "I'm not here to teach you"
I thought "hmmm that is the reaction of a person hidding something"
First, I am sorry for your loss. And sorry about your brother.
I get "a tad didactic" (admittedly) when people make no effort to understand the lineage of all this because a few probably planted agents have been terrorizing what was once a very committed and even structured war—the agents made it all Trotsky-ite misery, condemnation, terror, accusation, extreme bullying, targeting. Nobody ever asks me about this. They want people to think Duesberg was crap. Mullis was crap. Crowe, Rasnick…but the amazing thing is they don't even know a fraction of the well over 2000 scientists around the world who signed their names to the opposition. So why should I care? Because I am 100% clear we were infiltrated and I am not ever going to stop trying to protect the history as best I can and not let names of people I knew and loved get dragged through the trendy mud of the trendy no virus in crowd.
Was I more didactic or less didactic by the end of that comment?
It's easy for me to believe and appreciate the hell that you've been through, Celia, in trying to expose the AIDS scam all those years ago.
Living through recent years of the Covid scam (and the escalating Climate scam) and seeing how people vigorously defend the Dystopian False Narratives in society and even within my own family is painful enough.
People are intensely brain-washed by the relentless political propaganda. When challenged they defend their propagandised myopia even more fervently. They build higher walls to block out the truth that we try to share. Their psychological conditioning is entrenched and furrowed.
Celia, earlier this year I bought a copy of your book, "Serious Adverse Events, An Uncensored History of AIDS" but still have yet to read it. Unfortunately, it's on a huge pile of other unread books on raging dystopia and totalitarianism. I'm overloaded and overwhelmed by so many cross-related tyranny themes. It's hard to process it all.
However, I've read copious threads and watched many videos on this topic, so I'm now very familiar and aware of the ugly manufactured lies and deceptions. Little persuasion is needed to convince me of the Trotskyite dynamics in light of the Convid-1984 era.
I'm still stuck half way through reading George Orwell's "Nineteen-Eighty-Four" - real-world tyranny keeps me too distracted every day; I may never finish it. I look forward to eventually reading your book and depleting my pile of other books. I appreciate your soulful authenticity, Celia, and have great respect for the hardy truth path that you've endured for decades. I feel your pain!
I don't find you patronizing or pedantic so please keep saying it like it is! ;) I do think certain beliefs have done more harm by distracting and dividing at a time when everyone should be coming together to fight for truth and freedom. If we don't win this free speech issue no group will be able to voice anything whether they believe in no-virus, a flat earth, or aliens. Thank you for being in the battle!
My life was never touched by AIDS. Back then I was busy being driven by my heterosexual hormones at uni with a major in history, minor in anthropology, and writing pieces like "The Phallacy of Radical Feminism" for the student rag. Looking at your career in retrospect, Celia, I so admire your visceral perseverance and fortitude to keep beating your head against brick walls. Thank goodness you're on our side!
I remember getting that feeling when I was defending RFKjr and Del Bigtree. I was trying to be reasonable saying it would be very hard for them to come out and say viruses don't exist as people already think of them as cooks. This would give more ammunition.
Plus there are smart people like Suzanne Humphries who think viruses are real.
Both sides have scientific evidence to support their claims and to be honest most of it is above my head.
But my defending them by pointing out the good work they do when it comes to vaccines and pandemics was met with cries of "they are shills who don't care about the truth"
I'm sorry but sometimes saving children and winning battles is more important than truth.
The Baileys even said that pandemics would be a thing of the past if we get everyone to stop believing in viruses. Then we would win.
Ok, but then they would switch over to toxins. Oh we dumped a bunch of Dioxins here it is in the air and causes cancer we need everyone to wear a mask and isolate from others. We also need to kill all the cattle as their meat is tainted with Dioxin.
They still get everything the want and no need for a virus!
Relatedly:
"Doctor to Doctor: Emanuel Garcia Speaks with Matt Shelton"
posted November 29, 2022
https://rumble.com/v1xxby0-doctor-to-doctor-emanuel-garcia-speaks-with-matt-shelton.htmlEmanuel
A conversation between two founding members of New Zealand Doctors Speaking Out with Science about Covid, health and New Zealand's policies (www.nzdsos.com)
Hat tip: "Matt Shelton, a Covid Hero of New Zealand
Matt Lost Everything -- But Fulfilled his Duty to Warn His Patients"
by Igor Chudov, December 5, 2022
https://igorchudov.substack.com/p/matt-shelton-a-covid-hero-of-new
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TRANSCRIPT - FIRST OF TWO EXCERPTS
20:55
[on the novel mRNA vaccines]
DR. MATT SHELTON: You would want some basic safety questions to be answered, and particularly if you were using it to provoke an immune response. And they were very straightforward questions that it seemed to me at the time and much more clearly now, looking back, weren't even asked of regulator authorities.
DR. EMANUEL GARCIA: Before we get into technicalities of the jab and all that, we have this response by the state, to lock people down, to mandate social distancing, masks, etcetera. These are tremendous incursions on humans' rights, OK. I remember that we were not even allowed to swim in the harbor because apparently we might have an accident that would overburden the healthcare system. I remember walking into a hospital during the first lockdown, it was a ghost town. There was nobody there. So people absorbed all these incursions and they accepted them because they were being told by the government that this is the only way to keep us safe. And we're going to be hunkered down and use all these measures. And they would pursue a no-covid policy at the time. Do you remember that?
DR. MATT SHELTON: Oh yeah, very well.
DR. EMANUEL GARCIA: What's happened with the no-covid policy since then?
DR. MATT SHELTON: Well, I think we all know the truth of that. There are people who are getting their second or third dose of it. And we had it big time. We kicked the can down the road. And I suspect it's the worse because of that. But I remember clearly, too, in general practice, you know, no patients could come in. If they thought they might have covid or something really important, we'd see them in the car park. And then we had a beautiful summer and it went on a long time. And it was actually a relative oasis of peace and quiet, except there were these problems stacking up in the background. People being too afraid. And I think the overwhelming issue of course was the fear that was induced in everybody. And I think people imagined that there were these battle grounds going on in emergency departments and in general practice where these people were crawling in you know with overwhelming covid in the hundreds and thousands. And I spoke to many hospital doctors during that time. They were bored to death! You know, they had nothing to do. And they had no patients because nobody was being allowed in. So you know, it was a surreal time. But personally I wasn't scared. I could see how peoples' rational thought processes were being shut down, which of course what happens when you're afraid. But the messaging was continuously around the worse case scenario that was going to be visited on everybody.
Meantime, there were papers coming out all over the place giving us a much, even clearer idea, you know, who the at-risk groups were, but also why. You know, what was the pathology? Why were certain groups so vulnerable to this virus? And why were, the people in ICUs being ventilated, you know, responding differently compared to other respiratory pathogens? At it was becoming clear that actually this seemed to be a vascular, blood vessel issue from this virus, rather than respiratory. It wasn't all the people with CODP,* chronic respiratory lung disease that were the first ones to fall over, or filling up the ICUs. It was the people that already had vascular disease that goes along with obesity and diabetes, and just being older, too.
24:31
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SECOND EXCERPT
28:48 [as the mRNA vaccine rollout neared]
DR MATT SHELTON: By then it was even clearer that we were dealing with an influenza-level illness that we've all worked through before. The older we are, the more of these things we've worked through. It's what we do, dealing with winter illness. And sometimes there's a particular virus, usually a virus, that you can put a name to, and that has a very distinct sort of clinical pattern that you recognize quite early on. Usually doctors will get it early on in the season because we're being exposed to it. And it didn't seem there was any need for this radical change in the way we delivered public health.
And the message also was much more about that. It was less about the individual circumstances of the patients and more about what was sounding increasingly like dictates. And inflexible one size fits all solutions that we were going to have to impose on people.
And you asked previously about how some of the doctors I knew responded. Some were obviously frightened. They really thought it was the worst infectious disease since the Middle Ages and that you know we were all going to die unless we did something about it.
Others were much more sanguine. They recognized the politics
and the imperatives, but the feeling was, you know, the sort of Soviet shrug, you know, what can we do? You know, not for us to
question or risk trouble by questioning our betters. So there wasn't a lot of support certainly in my local area for my views. But they were respected. I was allowed to have them. And nobody told me that I should change my tune.
30:42
DR. EMANUEL GARCIA: And I would add that when you say, your views, you're talking about a traditionally commonsensical medical approach to an illness. Your views were, we should look at treating people who have symptoms, we should look at the actual lethality of this thing, which is not really so terrible. We should look at developing, if we do develop a vaccine, a vaccine that has enough time to develop properly and not be foisted on people. We should look at nutrition, we should look at basic healthy lifestyle, we should look at nutraceuticals, whatever. These are all very traditional, very basic. Somehow it all seemed to get turned around and anyone who talked about natural immunity, treatment, caution about an untested global universal intervention, they were turned into heretics. And in fact, I mean, you suffered the brunt of this. You had your license suspended, am I correct in saying that?
DR. MATT SHELTON: Well, ultimately. You know I think I got away with quite a lot before finally that dance with the authorities resulted in me losing my license, which I did get back actually, briefly. But yeah, the longer it went on, the louder the alarm bells around, you know, the departure from the norm.
And we practice how we practice. And as a psychiatrist you will know, you know, you get into a groove, everything that you do is based on everything that's come before, you know, all of our experience, the observations we make, the things that— the generalities that seem to work, you know, some of the time in some people. You know, and then specifics, but the barn door principles of not just public health but also the engagement with our patients as individuals and the advice that we come up with, that is unique to that consultation with that person in that moment, was superceded by these dictates and this messaging from our own colleges and our own medical council, but also the higher level via the Ministry of Health. And the government ministers and the Prime Minister were all weighing in on very particular medical issues that I will believe to my dying day, you know, need to be left to the professionals that have spent their whole careers leading up to this moment.
DR. EMANUEL GARCIA: Be more specific. When you say, weighing in on medical issues, tell me exactly what you mean by that.
DR. MATT SHELTON: Well it's hard to find another word than propaganda, but the relentless unity of messaging, this one size fits all. You know, there is no nuance, there is no accounting for the differences between people and patient groups and risk stratification. And that the vaccine will give you your lives back—
DR. EMANUEL GARCIA: You're talking about the jab now, specifically.
DR. MATT SHELTON: Yeah, but that also applies to the messaging around lockdowns, social distancing, masks, you know, which, which very clearly there is minimal science if any to support the mask compulsion, for people to cover their faces. Of all ages.
DR. EMANUEL GARCIA: And I'll go back and I'll say first of all, there was no science involved in the decision to lockdown the healthy. There is no science behind this idea of social distancing. It's absolutely absurd. OK? And with respect to masks, again, there's no science behind that at all. And despite the fact the holes in the mask are, what, 10, 20, 100 times bigger than the so-called pathogen or whatever it is, they don't work. Even if masks did work, then what is the cost of having people wear masks everywhere? Having little kids in schools be put into masks? The psychological, the emotional, the human cost of this stuff is incredible.
They shut down the ability of people to gather, to be with their loved ones, to enjoy everything that makes life worth living because they were trying to save us from the most lethal illness that has ever hit humanity. Meantime, there were case counts, death counts, counts of everything you can name, and the fear factor was being promoted relentlessly. You couldn't go a day without hearing something or other being bludgeoned by the fear missile from media. And the government of course became the single source of truth. And let's get down to your position and how the authorities responded to your raising very commonsensical questions about individual treatment, as well as public policy.
MATT SHELTON: Yes, well, we put all those separate concerns in writing. And we wrote to our regulator authorities and the government in April 2020. Around Easter. We actually mugged up this letter over Easter weekend really. And we had 20 or 30 people, something or other, who were prepared to put their names to it. Thinking that we'd at least get a conversation going. You know. So most of it was questions. Hey, well, what about? And, what if? And we we were greeted with complete silence.
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TRANSCRIBER'S NOTES [for both first and second excerpts]
Dr. Matt Shelton
https://nzdsos.com/
Dr. Emanuel Garcia
https://newzealanddoc.substack.com/
*COPD is chronic obstructive pulmonary disease.
Transcriber B is as much a hero as anyone is.
Getting these transcripts written down at the time, to be available for all time (we hope).
https://newzealanddoc.substack.com/p/free-speech-on-substack/comments
Emmanuel Garcia has his own Substack.
There's an interesting point at around 13:44 in the Rumble interview with Matt where he states that the use of PCR in Covid had never been done before.
As Celia states in her book Serious Adverse Events, the HIV/AIDS scare was almost exactly the same playbook as Covid
In HIV false diagnosis, PCR ("viral load") played only a supporting role, drove medication regimens, but not diagnostic by itself. That was too crazy even for the HIV crazies. Things got crazier.
Yes. And here's a 2019 meeting in which Fauci declared his intention to make it so:
https://www.c-span.org/video/?465845-1/universal-flu-vaccine
Absolutely worth watching.
Never Go Full Retard
Yes cat's out of the bag for some time now despite over-and-over attempts at stuffing it back in. Still can't quite integrate what we just lived through, or comprehend how many didn't.
I know for certain this is true.
At what point will this ****ing dam FINALLY burst???
This whistleblower case cannot surely be suppressed for long? Is this domino one?
When will people be forced to confront the ugly hidden truth?
What would it look like, be like, if the dam burst? It has burst. Yet it is never allowed to really and truly burst. It's beyond surreal. I sometimes wonder if reality can even be real anymore.
I'm not seeing any water! I need to see LOTS of water! Where's the tsunami? Barely-A-Trickle. It's a constant 'nothingburger' - a vacuous non-event.
It's 'Groundhog Day' of repeated nothingness and 'Twilight Zone' Orwellian New Normal.
Have we been taken over by Hollow-Headed Pod People? Has all emotion and sentience been sucked out of their heads?
"It's a constant 'nothingburger' - a vacuous non-event."
That's in order to Calm the Marks, so that the democide may continue.
Cameo from our favorite garden gnome, Bauble the Gnome (Bob Malone):
https://pasteboard.co/pQFiSM4Y8CvN.jpg
Barry Young's interview with Alex Jones - who was effusively sycophantic throughout the interview:
"I am a data base administrator..I live in the shadows of IT..We are trusted with the data..I helped build the system..They were singing my praises..From beginning to end, I was involved with all different aspects..
"It's a financial transaction system..It's not the only system, we have others..I had access to the whole Enchilada..
"God and the Universe put me in place to do this..I was never anti-vx.
14:35: "I have had high level access all over the world. I worked in Swiss banks in Zurich, so I had top level clearance.."
Ah yes: Swiss Banks - the Belly of the Beast.
God chose Winston. That will go down well. Sounds to me like he was managing the system that paid the medical collaborators.
He walked into the arraignment wearing a "Memory Walk" T-shirt that he just happened to be wearing when arrested. Alzheimers is being heavily promoted just now and is on the rise - esp amongst younger people.
All part of The New Abnormal.
Shrodinger's dam?
THIS IS A SAD SITUATION THAT CALLS FOR ALL PEOPLES TO UNITE WITH GOD AND LIKE MINDED SOLDIERS OF JESUS TRY IT YOULL LIKE IT, RIGHTEOUSNESS. ''Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep, which was lost.”
— Luke 15:6 🙏
We are past time and we need accountability now!!!
So far, I only know a handful of vaxxed people who were likely vaccine-injured but no deaths. I know many more who've been vaxxed multiple times (up to 4 jabs) and they seem ok. So either most of the shots really were placebos or they're ticking time bombs or the primary goal is to reduce fertility without other side effects. Or perhaps the shots are kill-switches that can be remotely activated.
Me too. I believe the jabs to be toxic, but most around me who took them seem relatively fine.
'Job Done - I'm Happy' ................the wrap-up line in today's vid is penultimate a-pro-pos . ........ ...shalom
I haven't been ill in years. It seems I am resistant to more than dis-ease: BS and coercion leaves me nonplussed....and I am majorly resistant to the need for Hero Worship.
The four "possible" New Zealand deaths on the news report probably exceeds the "actual" number of "lives saved" worldwide by the injections. Prove otherwise.
https://www.facebook.com/1091075256/posts/10223994224938723/?mibextid=rS40aB7S9Ucbxw6v
Receipts will never not be necessary, no matter how many people think they aren't and that some guy simply listing claims is enough.
Every time I hear someone like Dr. Mark Shelton (I assume that's him listing various deaths after jabs on the clip) reporting data that is of crucial importance in our war of ideas, I think, "this is great -- okay now let's get down to the meat and potatoes and actually verify this tissue of claims". But almost NEVER do we ever drill down to that level of actual, concrete, Goddamned evidence, and social media inhabitants instead float around in various stages of confirmation bias resting on effectively unverified claims. When I point this out and press the issue, all I get is prickly pushback (except from a paltry handful of Alt-Peasants in comments here and there).
Nazis are now running NZ for WEF boss Adolf Schwab and his depopulating New World Order. NO LIABILITY for the DEADLY vax makers is insane but totally necessary to continue making big bucks with no consequences for Vax DEATHS! Barry Young is a hero! Mick from Hooe (UK) Unjabbed to live longer!
Thanks Celia.
I'll match it with this, the quick look at the heroic whistleblower, 56 y/o computer guy Barry Young.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/12/hero-health-worker-turned-whistleblower-faces-court-after/
Five Eyes' intel and special ops train and relax in New Zealand.
Apparently Brit Special Ops just happened to be staging an exercise at the time.
So many psyops, so little time. The Coroner just opened the 'inquest' on 24 October.
Criminalising and removing the video also prevented people from seeing the Men in Red Coats who appeared on two occasions at the start. They were clearly directing 'traffic'.