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I've been raising dairy goats for 41 years. Ivermectin is one of the anthelmintic drugs that I have used for my goats. Never had a problem with fertility. Haven't heard of anyone else who raises livestock that had a problem either. What I would never do is give my goats turpentine. It is considered to be highly toxic when ingested and can cause serious respiratory problems if aspirated. Just because something comes from a plant doesn't mean it's safe.

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Very interesting comment, thank you!

I think there is some sophistry involved here. The old phrase "the dose makes the poison" comes to mind. Perhaps if you had used too big of a dose you would have seen fertility issues, even deformities in baby goats. Why the likes of Tim Truth hide the dosing issue?

With regards to aspirating turpentine, I do that sometimes. For example, the other day I ate low quality cheese, and I developed some nasal congestion. I inhaled vapors of hot water with a few drops of turpentine in it. I'm alive!

Can a goat survive those vapors?

Ingesting turpentine is OK. Give it a try if you ever have joint pain. If you fear ingestion, try the topical route, mixing turpentine and castor oil. Many people say the find pain relief from that application alone. Maybe just placebo? Who knows! But there's no harm in trying.

Give a read to this document if you are interested: https://archive.org/download/turp_candida_daniels/turp_candida_daniels.pdf

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I accidently overdosed a goat on Ivermectin. The stopper on the plunger came loose and so this 115 pound animal was given enough to treat a 1250 lb. horse. So I called my vet to see what I should do. His response? Nothing because Ivermectin isn't that toxic and he'd be surprised if it effected her in any way. He was right. She also went on to breed successfully several more times before she died from old age. Her line has produced some of my best does.

As for turpentine, according to poison control, consuming as little as 0.5 ounce (15 ml) can be fatal. In regards to joint pain, I've found that a cayenne pepper paste works well and, unlike a topical application of turpentine, will not cause dermatitis.

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"stopper on the plunger" can really suck on some of these syringes offered. Same thing happened to my 40lb dog. stopper collapsed. Thought that was it, that I'd killed the pup. he's fine today, but still we're fighting cancer (spleen). Finding better success thus far with FenBen. Cancer's a real deal though, not going to lie. 13yr old pup's hanging in there for now.

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Processed pet foods are a euphemism for guaranteed cancer.

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AND processed pet foods make Big Bucks for the drug industry, treating the cancers! It's about the Money, stupid! [as our Lib friends love to say!]

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And "all about the money" is the euphemism for ámorality.

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Changed up things.

Now 2.5 (2 x 1gm FenBen) does folllowed by 1 x IVM (12mg) over 3 days. Then repeat. So far, things looking up. If you'd all like, I'll keep you posted. FYI, best to simply dispense IVM (syringe is unreliable with delivery) onto my finger and then put inside pups mouth. I follow up with treat right away to prevent rejection. IVM does not taste as pleasant to pup as FenBen (me neither). LOL

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Weigh the ivermectin on a cracker or treat & serve it! Works fo me!

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Good to know your anecdote about accidental overdosing.

In that pdf it is mentioned that 5ml is the maximum daily dose.

On the internet I've found comments of people who claim to have ingested more than 15ml, and lived. That's not by accident.

I don't get dermatitis from topical application of turpentine. Do you have a personal experience or a concrete example of dermatitis caused by turpentine?

Any distillate, which is what turpentine is, and any of the essential oils out there, has a potential of causing irritation, simply because of the concentration of the compounds that form them. Diffused or diluted compounds cause less irritation or no irritation.

But the ethanol or the hydrogen peroxide that are used commonly as a skin disinfectant are far more irritating than turpentine, in my own experience. Probably also a concentration issue, and maybe wrong application.

Iodine tincture and PVP are the harshest on the skin of the commonly regarded "safe" products that people use all the time. Probably acetone is not as irritating, because of its volatility, than iodine, and yet people are afraid of acetone, but use carelessly disinfectants on themselves and on children.

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I get it. You're a fanatic when it comes to turpentine. You refuse to admit that it can be harmful and that there are safer alternatives.

People have different sensitivities. Toxins may effect some more than others. You also ignore the fact that long term use of certain substances can build up overtime and produce a toxic effect. People used to ingest small doses of arsenic too. They thought it was healthy because it didn't kill them right away. What it did do, however, was build up in their liver and other organs until concentrations were high enough to either make them sick or kill them.

That said, if you want to ingest turpentine, well, that's your right although you might want to ask yourself why you're putting so much effort into convincing others to do the same.

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You seem irritated. Sorry about that.

I want to know your opinion about the idea that runs through the internets that the disease called 'syphilis,' a common diagnosis in the sexually adventurous high class young adults of the 1800s and early 1900s was actually caused by... wait for it... the treatment for syphilis.

So, much like the myth of HIV/AIDS, they invented a germ and disease to control the behavior of people, and the 'drugs' used to suppress the symptoms of the invented disease were the real causal agents of the symptoms. Just like people didn't die from a virus, but from AZT poisoning, in the past people didn't die from the germ that 'causes' syphilis, but from mercury-based medicines.

It's an interesting idea, worthy of research. Maybe it's wrong?

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Regarding turpentine, I think it's safe to use and it helps a lot, and maybe people should give it a try. That's my only agenda.

I know the low quality of life that arthritis medication gives to people.

Seeing how almost everything in medicine is a fraud, I tell people to try walking the paths forbidden by the fraudsters. I don't think I'm doing anything immoral.

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You're spot on, in my opinion.

No such thing as HIV/AIDS. Those poor folks died from drug abuse and destructive lifestyle (not talking about being gay), and there is much suspicion about the use of amyl nitrate as a causative factor, as well.

There is A SHIT-TON of misinformation around ALL disease when there is a VACCINE to be sold.

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What I think is that too many people come to identify with certain positions before they have looked at all the facts. Take for instance, germ theory vs. terrain theory, which is where I assume you are leading with the question regarding syphilis. That some would phrase this as either/or seems to me to involve groupthink and a very dogmatic approach to health and to life in general. My own opinion is that both probably play a role. There are infectious diseases, however, whether or not one who is exposed to these diseases becomes sick may be due to one's general state of health and/or to genetics.

In regards to syphilis, there are documented cases of syphilis spreading to populations that didn't use mercury as a medicine. Consider, for example, the claim that Europeans originally contracted the disease from Native Americans. This was because syphilis seems to have first appeared in Europe at the same time that a lost Italian named Columbus landed in the New World. It's my understanding that anthropological evidence of earlier outbreaks in western Asia put the kibosh on that claim.

I'm old enough to remember seeing men on the streets walking with that tell-tale syphilitic herky-jerky. Considering their ages (they were not old men), they had to have contracted the disease after sulfa drugs and then penicillin replaced mercury as a treaatment.

As to HIV/AIDS, while I'm open to other causes, I have yet to come across another hypothesis that is supported by sound evidence. That doesn't mean that one does not exist, only that I haven't seen it. I've also known people with AIDS and they all claimed to be HIV positive before developing full-blown AIDS. Coincidence? Perhaps.

Finally, the data doesn't support your claim that "almost everything in medicine is a fraud", although I do think that a lot of pharmaceuticals are unneccessary and/or dangerous. Just don't throw the proverbial baby out with the bathwater. (I say that from the perspective of human medicine and veterinarian medicine.)

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Thanks for sharing your experience and reminding me about turpentine. This exchange reminded me to revisit what I had heard about turpentine from Dr. Andy Kauffman, a doctor I trust and here he is in conversation with another doctor I follow, Dr. Tom Cowan, giving a full explanation of it's benefits and how to use it responsibly.... something he feels should be in everyone's medicine cabinet. Turns out, like homeopathic medicine, it was regularly recommended for many ailments (the video goes through a long list), before being demonized by Rockefeller medicine.... can start at 5:00 minutes in.

https://drtomcowan.com/blogs/podcasts/29-dr-andy-kaufman

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I remember the old saying, "A night with Venus, can get you a lifetime with Mecuery!

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No, he's not, in my view.

ANYTHING can be harmful if you use it improperly. I was at first put off by turpentine because it's used as a cleaner. But there IS a protocol, and it's a VERY small amount used, in a certain way, and I've done it, and others I know have also used it, and nobody has died that I'm aware of. That it is so effing cheap might be a factor! And it's been around and used to kill parasites for a loooong time.

It works, and done with knowledge, it's safe. That's all.

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There is a protocol for using leeches too. And just because something was used for a long time doesn't mean it was safe or effective. Indeed, the life expectancy was 43 in no small part because of childhood mortality at the same time that people were using turpentine to kill parasites. Coincidence? Maybe, maybe not.

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As with the solvent turpentine and other volatile plant oils ..the devil is in the dosage and in the prevailing condition of the patient.

Great apes have learned to make "plant pills" from various flora which they ingest periodically to control their internal parasite loads.

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Do what works for you.

Turpentine has been trashed by the Medical Industrial Complex for years.

But I followed the protocol and it didn't hurt me.

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Sometimes there are good reasons for the discontinued use of certain substances. Calling it "the Medical Industrial Complex" doesn't change that fact.

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That makes perfect sense. It also makes sense to say that there's a reason, or several, for calling it "The Medical Industrial Complex." Did you know that following a doctor's directives in a hospital is at least the THIRD cause of death for human beings in the USA?

I think we can both be right about a lot of things, and there's plenty of room for agreement.

^__^

You're right about farmers not being forced to vaccinate their animals, but I'm not clear if that's farm animals that are NOT food animals, such as horses; that said, factory-farmed food animals ARE mostly vaccinated, according to various sources that came up when I searched on this. No, I haven't spent hours or days researching... yet.

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"Factory Farm" is a misnomer created by animal rights activists. The correct term is concentrated animal feeding operation (CAFO) which mostly involve monogastric animals (pigs and poultry). Ruminants raised for meat (cattles, goats, sheep) still spend most of their lives on pasture. (Dairy animals may or may not be pastured.) And even with the animals raised in CAFOs, the choice of vaccination is up to the farmer. Most farmers with ruminants (especially goats and sheep), equines or pigs vaccinate against tetanus and clostridium perfringens type C and D. That's why most large animal vets under the age of 70 have never seen a case of tetanus. It used to be fairly common.

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Roger,

Thanks for jumping into "the fire" of today's comments.

Lively group, but that's the cool part about Substack everyone enjoys.

What's your thoughts on DMSO as an anti-inflamatory/joint pain releiver?

Interesting that Turpentine Oil (Pine Tree Oil), like DMSO (Di-Methyl-Sulf-Oxide) both come from tree oils. Stanley Jabobs, MD made that discovery in the 50's or 60's. He notiiced that Lumberjacks put the tree oil on their hands to cut down on inflammation of their joints. Another product obviously that the MIC would like to eliminate in exchange for all the big $$$ NSAIDS.

Can one concluded that Pine Tree Oil and DMSO can be classified as natural remedies that are compatible/comparable? Just asking.

Thx.

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Thank you for reading!

DMSO is another solvent, but a modern discovery, non-traditional.

They actually use it in the lab as a medium to freeze tissue for research.

I've heard it works together well with turpentine and other crazy stuff that people experiment with.

The claim is that it enhances absorption through the skin of other remedies. So, an anti-inflammatory compound like turpentine perhaps acts faster or better when used together with DMSO.

Can it cure anything? I don't know enough about that. But it's safe to use on the skin.

They use it in dilution to heal cataracts. It is purported to dissolve them.

Some people claim DMSO can be used to protect from neurological damage after a traumatic accident.

It seems it's one of those well kept secrets.

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Rog,

Per your comment: "Some people claim DMSO can be used to protect from neurological damage after a traumatic accident.".

By neurological do you mean 'brain' or nerves?

By traumatic accident, do you mean a car wreck?? Child abuse?? Vaccine adverse event??

Any references to where one can learn more is appreciated.

Thx.

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The first time I heard that was in relation to car accidents, and spinal nerves, but I can't remember who I was listening to.

Anyway, I found this: europepmc.org/article/MED/18086517

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Thx. :-)

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For Vaccine adverse events, see Dr. Robert Kendoll's facts & knowledge on DMG! Also recommended by Dr. Judy Mecovitz, I.e. evil Dr.Faucies whistleblower!

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Check out Andrew Kaufman MD for correct protocol. Turpentine is a solvent for fat soluble toxins in the body. You can ingest, apply topically, nebulize, steam breathe to aid the body in detox. Use it appropriately and with pure tincture.

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Yes. I found that by accident, years ago. Intake, in a safe way, into the body, in small doses, KILLS PARASITES.

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Is this about rats?

Since when do rats get that type of viral pneumonia?

What is the reasoning behind the idea that the lowest dose in that chart of a study with non-human animals is the right dose for humans?

In particular, if I remember correctly, the dose of ivermectin for humans was 175 mcg per kg of body weight, but that chart, which I assume is of rats, mentions 0.5 mg/kg which is 500 mcg/kg (1000 mcg = 1 mg.)

500 micrograms is 2.86 × 175 mcg.

Almost 300% the "right" dose for humans.

Not cool!

Besides, ivermectin is not supposed to be taken for ever every day. It's not impossible that it's normal that some diseases and some drugs cause something like a temporary infertility. If the fertility returns after the treatment is done and after the disease is over, then a drug that does that is the worst sterilizing drug ever.

Regardless of that, if doctors want to treat terrorized people who suffer from nocebo effect or psychosomatic diseae, it would be better if they use something harmless instead of an actual drug with potential adverse effects.

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Rabbits. The covid dose, for humans anyhow, is 0.5 mg/kg·day, though oral, not IVM. Rats make their own vitamin C. Not sure about rabbits. That graphic was at https://timtruth.substack.com/p/ultimate-guide-to-anti-fertility , linked in Celia's article. Vitamin C increasing fertility was interesting.

Your dose is for parasites. My pharmacist BiL says human fatties like me should take 35 mg per day for 7 days for covid. I suspect 3 days will suffice. I also suspect ivermectin could use some structure optimization for coronaviruses. When I had less than a tube of horse paste, that did it for me. (I'd already tried a little, so less than 3 days supply remained.)

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Interesting.

But at the rate of 0.5 mg/kg the resulting dose of 35mg is for a man of 70kg (155 pounds.) Not fat at all. Let's assume a 330 pounder big boy (150 kg). The dose at 0.5mg/kg is 75mg of ivermectin. But if the dose of IVM was 0.233mg/kg, then the 150 kg sargeant of police would be recommended a 35mg dose of IVM.

That weird fellow Adam Gaertner recommended as little as 0.150mg/kg up to 4 doses, as a cure for the "disease." In our example, that is 22.5 mg of ivermectin each dose. Still not the 0.500 mg of that rabbit study.

And maybe there is out there some lady who took IVM while pregnant and then nothing bad happened to the baby.

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Thank you for that!

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Same. I've administered it to horses 100 times and never seen a problem with with the mares producing nice foals.

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There is no way to deduce from your experience using it on many many horses that this drug is not harmful for humans, at the dose their proponents recommend. I think we can agree on that.

Bear in mind that I don't know if it is harmful for humans or not. What I know is that covid and the virus were political fictions designed to justify illegal medical experimentation, and a democidal drive that continues to this day.

That being said, the main issue with this thing is that it is being sold as a cure for a disease that does not exist. Or, to say it in a less offensive way, why is it that no one ever before recommended that drug for humans to treat or prevent any kind of pneumonia, or flu, or any form of vascular disease, or any kind of cancer, to mention real things. But some people go as far as claiming that it has antiviral properties, which is impossible if viruses do not exist.

Have you read viroliegy.com?

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I was thinking that same thing, farmers and ranchers have been using it on their livestock for a while. There would have been something said about this before if this were true. My guess would be that they want to push the blame onto Ivermectin for what the jabs are actually doing.

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What? No poison ivy tea? (-:

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Stinging nettle makes a good tea and the plant is about as irritating as it gets.

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Interesting...thanks (-:

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Yes!!!!!! Turpentine!

Dr. Jennifer Daniels... she was booted off her medical license for telling people about turpentine. At least they didn't find her after "suicide."

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Sometimes people lose their medical license because they really are quacks.

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What about ALL the good non-zombi/ non-brainwashed/non-groupthink, real doctors who lost licenses for not piping toxic worthless, dangerous, experimental, clot shots, Vs. your definition of a Quack? Can't answer that one, can you????

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I didn't provide a definition of a quack. I simply stated that, "Sometimes people lose their medical license because they really are quacks." Notice the qualifiers... "Sometimes" and "really are"?

Yes, there were courageous doctors who ran the risk of losing their careers by speaking out against the Covid scam and the shots. I also suspect that some of them (but by no means all) were acting as controlled opposition. As Vladimir Lenin once said, “The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves.”

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How true! “The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves.” As we see how the Godless Marxist Commis ran & led the Woman's Lib, movement, climate doom, endemic white racism scamming, gender psychosis, LGBTQA promoting, to Palestine supporter sheep & cogs! [as John Gatto's book on Dumb-Down education puts it!]

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Seems to me to be a convenient way to explain the fertility issues caused by the injections.

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Absolutely this. Plus, if it helps with cancer, it’s a real problem for pHarma. I think the guy sold out, if he was ever any good.

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Cancer isn't what we're told.

Florence Nightingale explains it well. I'll have to dig up the quote tho...

Tom Cowan was interviewed not too long ago by Alec Zeck, talking about the "New Biology"-- Except it's old, like Florence Nightingale was a long time ago, relatively speaking.

https://podtail.com/en/podcast/health-freedom-for-humanity-podcast/ep-81-new-biology-clinic-with-dr-tom-cowan/

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boom

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Or it could simply be MORE FEAR MONGERING via lies.

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Farmers wouldn't use it as a dewormer if it caused infertility in their flocks.

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All good observations here, despite what I hypothesized here a few minutes ago.

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Cow and swine producers inject Ivermectin by measured dose guns

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Farmers would use anything they are forced to use in order to be allowed to sell their meat in the commie run marketplace.

Central planning is pure evil.

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Farmers aren't forced to use Ivermectin or any other medication. They sure as hell wouldn't used something that either killed their livestock prematurely or caused infertility among their breeding stock.

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Not sure about not "forced." I think they ARE required to do certain things, like vaccination. But this isn't about using a little bit for a horse. It's about PEOPLE grabbing something in a frenzy of fear and overdosing, I think. It's about too much of something that probably wouldn't hurt you in a small amount. Does that make sense?

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No, farmers are not required to vaccinate their animals. The only thing that is required is that certain medicines are withdrawn for a particular amount of time before their milk and/or meat is sold.

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The finishing stage for meat producers. I wish more folks understood this.

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Show me? I've heard people (farmers) saying exactly the opposite.

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I'll take that as a sentence of the same type as 'people weren't coerced to get the jab' or 'people weren't forced to wear masks.'

You are a tricky one. Are your ancestors German, per chance?

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If farmers use something that either kills their livestock prematurely or causes infertility they would go out of business. And by the way, speaking of "tricky", I'm not the one who is using logical fallacies. You are.

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Please, give me an example of my transgressions using tricky logical fallacies here. I want to learn. I'm open to correction.

I didn't mean to offend you by using the word "tricky." All industries tend to be highly centralized using mythologies, for the purpose of price control. People working in any industry tend to mimic the behavior they see. They don't even realize the problems. For example, IT guys never consider the cultural damage the computer industry has caused to people, because their industry is rooted in amorality. And they repeat that behavior outside the job.

So, I was wondering if you are a victim of the many tricks of the agricultural industry, having been a professional there most of your life. Do you realize the way you write is redolent of PR tricks?

Maybe I'm hypersensitive to trickery.

What do you think?

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Well, some of MY ancestors are German! lol No, I am not a Nazi, nor even an authoritarian, and certainly not a fascist.

^_^

That said, I agree with you in general.

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Then think about the reality of people talking about the antibiotics given to farmed animals (maybe not under the "organic" label) being in the meat of those animals and it passing on to humans. ?

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I think maybe you're overstating the issue.

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Ridiculous. If you want to toss this chum out, then spend a little time researching and reporting on the ‘who made the video’ thing. Some video by who knows who means zilch and doesn’t add anything to the discussion. And if you trust ANY study anymore you may well be captured by Monarch. Ivermectin is everywhere in the animal kingdom and it doesn’t slow down any babies. I have farmed dogs and goats and they were robustly procreating while taking ivermectin. If it says ‘Study’ and it is published, it is nearly ALWAYS propaganda. Trust your own observed experience and anecdotes of those who DO things for a living, not the fake studies with a budget from the phony-results craving companies.

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One more important comment… as our “leaders” roll out the next pandemic… be it some other virulent coronavirus or H5N1 influenza, remember that ivermectin helps stop replication of all RNA viruses… So if they are ramping up ivermectin propaganda now, you can bet they don’t want you using it to get yourself well ever again. In fact, they want you dead. Note to self: don’t believe these smears of one of the safest, greatest, most humble drugs in history.

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I am past worrying about fertility! I’ll take being well over being fed fear porn! It’s not taken long term like so many toxic drugs. I gave my son 12mg, four over four days, and he was good as new when he got a serious infection, fever, etc., and it helped dramatically within the first four hours. I also know it was given to many servicemen in the armed forces when they were oversees and they had families afterwards.

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100%, Joni!

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Then perhaps he had parasites... If you have no proof of what was causing his illness, and no proof of his infection easing BECAUSE OF ivermectin, then you are making an assumption. You could be right! I don't know. I'm just saying, science is about PROOF. This is what this ENTIRE thing is all about! PROOF. and SCIENCE. Otherwise, it's magic.

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Parasites...the cause of many illnesses.

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Seems likely.

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exactly

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If you want to get seriously up-to-date, visit the page of Christine Massey. She has sent HUNDREDS of FOIA requests to labs and doctors all over the world regarding showing proof via isolation and purification of viruses... NOT ONE virus has ever been isolated. Not ONE!

She's got a SS page. She's a scientist, and she's got integrity and serious intestinal fortitude.

https://substack.com/@christinemasseyfois1

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Thanks for the link. I’ll research it.

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What's your opinion of those who point out that no "virus" has ever been isolated via Koch's postulates...that the idea of there being a "virus" or "viruses" is a hoax brought on by research "scientists" trying to explain their observations in order to continue submitting research grant applications.

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Forget Koch. No virus has ever been isolated, that anyone has ever shown.

NOT ONE. If that had been the case, and had been done in a truly scientific manner, then we wouldn't have all these educated scientists being censored for saying it's not been done. See my above references to Tom Cowan/Alec Zeck interview and to this:

https://substack.com/@christinemasseyfois1

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I don't believe that I have enough of a knowledge base to have an opinion yet. My intuitive and reasoning skills indicate it is quite possible.

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Didn't understand your reply. "...it is quite possible that there IS or IS NOT any such thing as a "virus"? -- Thanks.

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There's never been one "virus" ever shown to exist. Scientists have long been able to isolate bacteria, and other teeny cells, and it's done in a certain way that is standard practice, and the way virology is done is simply NOT how it's done, and nothing Scientific Method about it. It's a SCAM, just like "Covid" is a scam.

Before the electron microscope, people just put forth theories about why people got sick. Florence Nightingale had it right... Disease is SYMPTOMS of the body trying to heal itself. There are no airborne pathogens, like what we've been told... Inhaling viruses, sneezing them out onto others, and so forth-- bullshit, as it turns out. When the electron microscope came along, suddenly scientists were able to see these teeeeeeny little cells at the scene of people's disease... The researchers simply decided (wrongly) that these tiny little cells were "viruses," which means "toxin" in Latin, and that THEY were the cause of the sickness. What has been shown to be FAR more likely the explanation, because these cells are created BY THE BODY, not coming in from the outside, is that they are like garbage men, they come out to help the body CLEAN UP a toxin or some kind of damage. They're now often called "exosomes" and they are created BY OUR BODIES to help us. Nature is GOOD, not trying to kill us. We have an AMAZING vehicle in which to carry our spirits around. ^_^

So why, after all, did virology become a thing? Same answer as sooooo often:

MONEY.

Think of how many TRILLIONS of dollars are in the field of virology and VACCINES.

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Epidemics only "happen" because people prefer to trust magicians over trusting God.

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Indeed. And real, provable science.

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Silly- it does not cause infertility. Why are you falling for this, Celia? It’s not like you at all. Africa is having NO problem with population levels and they take ivy quite frequently. This Tim fellow is a scammer. Don’t fall for scammers, Celia.

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I'm not "falling" for anything. I'm AIRING things OUT.

I'm late for Church, more soon.

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Sometimes it’s best to air it out in your own private research before publishing this kind of stuff. Enjoy Church!

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The dose... the dose... always the dose.

Ivermectin can be curative AND a weapon to cause disease, like infertility. It's a false dichotomy.

Don't put anything past them, they are very smart and ambitious.

Also consider that infertility is not only about reproduction. All systems of the body are connected. They may attack and cause dysfunction in one system, but it will affect other systems.

So, even if we think a drug that may harm the gonads is not a problem for a 95 year old human being's prospective reproduction, it may be the case that it causes harm to other systems he or she is actually using to be alive, which he has a right to.

The use of the word "infertility" belies a fallacy.

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If ivermectin caused infertility then they would have used that against its use to protect their emergency use authorization. Instead of just pushing the story about it's a horse dewormer.

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Look at 3rd world countries who take it regularly. Never heard of them having fertility issues!

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Perhaps this story is a misdirection, sponsored by the image makers, in order to put the blame on the cure and hide the the cause, the genetic modification shots.

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There are beliefs, and then there is actual science (not "Trust the Science").

Celia should do less believing, and more researching.

Tim Truth is a BigPharma shill that is disseminating FUD about a Nobel miracle drug that cures all kinds of diseases, as well as BigPharma's last remaining cash cow in cancer.

There are actual research studies debunking the inane fertility claims, and Africa has no issues with fertility whatsoever despite taking IVM regularly on a society-wide basis.

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Maybe that was my point.

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hmmm, can you point to the evidence that he is a shill?

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The fact that he is doing a hit job on Ivermectin is all the evidence I need.

We're living at a time when boys who've been injected with jab juice have developed swollen testicles and girls have developed damaged ovaries. And so, along comes a guy who is putting out scare stories about rats being dosed with hundreds or thousands of times the dose of IVM that would be used to deworm them developing fertility issues and extrapolating that to humans and screaming "IVERMECTIN GENOCIDE!"

You can't make this up. And yet somebody apparently has done this.

And there others who are trying to pull the same stunt by hitting on Vitamin D, which is a rat poison and would certainly kill humans too if they took ridiculously high doses of it.

Sometimes, a scare story is a helpful warning to stay away from something dangerous. And at other times, a scare story is shameless fear porn propaganda aimed at misleading the public and trashing something or somebody useful who is getting in the way of someone's business plan.

Our job as consumers of information is to use our sense of reason to check out the smell and the undertones of the information that gets shoved in front of us.

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The thing about poisoning is that the poisoner prefers the poison to not be noticed too soon, so that they have time to escape. And it's best if the victim is tricked into taking the poison themselves. Those two ideas are probably in the mind of Tim Truth and all the other people who try to scandalize everyone.

But, if the poisoner is the 'allmighty' US military, and if it was the case that they would be attacking their own population (only God knows why) then it's not necessary to have much secrecy about the effects of the poison, because the USM has no place to run to hide.

And they don't need much trickery: they can just force the poison at gun point.

But they have hired sociopaths and experts in persuasion, and even Mandrake the Alchemist was seen producing power point presentations. Why?

Why these crimes?

So many of them. And there are so many people who simply deny the crimes have happened. That coercion is normal, moral, legal.

And the normies out there even go as far as arguing that if coercion is not legal then it has be legalized.

I watch perplexed as a lawyer uncoils herself from a peach tree and acquires human shape and wears a fancy pantsuit and says, "Well! It's nor really medical coercion because this was never a medical issue."

And why all that psychological projection? Yeah, yeah, ego defense mechanism according to Dr. Fraud... I mean, Dr. Freud.

The millions of deniers of actual crimes against humanity often insult people like me throwing the word 'denier' because I deny the virus. I only ask for a shred of evidence.

Is it too much to ask for the egos as big as the Sun of these millions of happy concentration camp inmates?

I also deny other things, like genetic engineering, which was always a stupid PR campaign by environmentalists, that has caused much mental damage in people, and great economic destruction in the competition of big companies. And the environmentalists will never admit to the fact that they have been used by their enemies.

But there should be no problem with denying anything that is true: if it is true, then just show me.

I don't understand why people pretend that terror tactics improve the human condition? Did we ever reduced pollution using such tactics?

Was any cancer death prevented with the very evil anti-tobacco campaign?

Is it worth it the psychological strain caused by making safety devices mandatory everywhere?

How corrupt and corrupting is the insurance industry?

What's the point in causing generalized anxiety in adults with all the impending doom everywhere, for decades, such that their children become strangers to them, causing financial disarray and domestic violence?

I deny that propaganda techniques have done anything good for humanity. I deny the implication that almost every journalist, editor and publisher uses to justify their immoral actions.

I deny the general belief that there is any safety in censorship.

Ruin is the fruit of security.

And I deny that those who engage in scandal in earnest have any good intention.

And I will hear cases to prove any of the things I deny. But I won't hear any argument from psychopaths.

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There is a lot to unwrap in your comment, Roger. I am unable to answer all of your questions, but let me say at the outset that share a lot of your sentiments, being myself a serial denier of a smogarsboard of authoritative "truths" (or more correctly, "narratives) as wide ranging as the Big Bang theory, HIV as the cause of AIDS, the Moon Landings, Saddam's Weapons of Mass Destruction, and Yuri Geller's ability to bend spoons via television. In fact, I count myself lazy if I don't deny at least six impossible narratives before breakfast.

Wear that "denier" label as a badge of honor. It is being pinned on you by The People of the Lie. (Great title for a book, BTW; although I haven't gotten around to reading that one.)

Let's give Tim Truth the benefit of the doubt and grant that he isn't shilling for anyone and he genuinely believes what he is preaching. Well then, all I can say is that he is being alarmist by using the headline "IVERMECTIN GENOCIDE." "Where are the bodies of all these ivermectin victims?" I ask myself. "Have they been dumped into the same mass grave as all the supposed victims of climate change?" Perhaps Greta Thunberg believes her "People are dying..." claims too. Or perhaps they've been filed under "COVID-19"?

When we doubt every scrap of information we get via the Internet, almost any scenario becomes feasible in our minds and impossible to discount, and that way lies madness. But when we believe every scrap of information we get, we are just where the CIA wants us. William Colby implied as much when he said “We'll know our disinformation campaign is complete when everything the American public believes is false." That was just before that extremely unfortunate boating accident.

Katherine Watt, Sasha Latypova, and Karen Kingston have dug up a lot of documentation that suggests — and some would say proves — that the DOD was organizing the COVID-19 injectables and that the latter are bioweapons. This documentation seems pretty convincing to me, although I haven't mastered it. I'm not, at this point, a COVID-19 bioweapons denier.

But who is in charge of the DOD? Who ordered the COVID-19 project and to what ends? Who is at the top of The Hierarchy Exploiting, Enslaving, Entertaining and Exterminating Us (THEY)? It certainly isn't the US Military or the Department of Defense. According to Woodward and Bernstein, Henry Kissinger said " Henry Kissinger said, "Military men are just dumb stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy." Henry denied saying it, but he would do that, wouldn't he? But was Henry at or close to the top deck of the ziggurat?

More important than being deceived about everything is your question, "What's, the point in causing generalized anxiety in adults with all the impending doom everywhere, for decades....?"

Of course, this makes no sense to ordinary decent people (although not necessarily normies) who would rather run the world on love, peace, truth, understanding and mutual cooperation. But when it comes to running the world, ordinary decent people don't have much say.

"Homo homini lupus est" is a Latin proverb meaning "Man is a wolf to man," or more literally "Man to man is wolf." The fact that the Romans had such a proverb and ewe still find it useful today is an indication that human nature has not changed appreciably over the intervening 2,000 years or so. Metaphorically speaking, The Human Zoo (another good book title) can be envisaged as being run by a pack of wolves. The Breggins have noticed this; hence the title of their recent book, "COVID-19 and the Global Predators: We Are the Prey."

Why would THEY — The Wolves — The Global Predators want to cause anxiety among their prey? Lots of reasons. Overall, it's good for control, and it's good for business. An anxious population will seek security and protection from what they are anxious about. They will demand that the hierarchy does what is necessary to keep them safe. They will be willing to pay with their wealth, their rights and liberties, and even their bodily autonomy. This gives the Wolves a lot of leverage.

Let's finish on a few quotes. First, Machiavelli, who gave advice to the Wolves of his day:

"One can make this generalization about men: they are ungrateful, fickle, liars, and deceivers, they shun danger and are greedy for profit; while you treat them well, they are yours. They would shed their blood for you, risk their property, their lives, their children, so long, as I said above, as danger is remote; but when you are in danger they turn against you."

Next, Menken, who advised the people the Wolves preyed upon:

"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by an endless series of hobgoblins, most of them imaginary."

And finally, to end on an even lighter note, Calvin Coolidge:

"If you see ten troubles coming down the road, you can be sure that nine will run into the ditch before they reach you."

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It has been reported that in some Africa countries there are Ivermectin Mondays where the weekly anti-parasitic dose is common. If that is the case the fertility rate would be decreased. Unless I am mistaken it would seem that is not the case.

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Ivermectin widely used in India, including to treat Covid patients. The de-population factor doesn't seem to be working!

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The hydrogel filaments, quantum dots, self assembling nano tech, synthetic biology, Chem trails, etc are being used instead.

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I think that most public health measures are a form of mind control, and their effects are largely unpredictable. The most obvious effect is to cause irresponsibility in people, and a false sense of security.

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Do your own research. It is a post-biotic, the product of a probiotic, of the fermentation of soybean meal by the bacterium Streptomyces avermitilis naturally occurring in the environment. It was discovered decades ago by a Japanese researcher. It has been safely used for decades but suddenly doctors can't prescribe it for all the things they used to prescribe it for without losing their licenses to practice medicine.

Ask yourself why that is?

"For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. See, I have told you ahead of time."

Matthew 24:24, 25

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Ivermectin is a nobel prize winning compound that has been used for decades by billions. Tim Truth iin my opinion is a pharma shill as Ivermectin presents a threat to the pharmas cancer business as well as their vaccine business as a cheaper better product that actually works! You can believe credible activist Dr's who have saved millions of lives or a pharma shill like "Tim Truth". I would expect better from your normally excellent substack. The best i could find on evidence of infertility was this study that makes the claim in Rats and then qualifies that it is an effect that can be reversed with Alpha Lipoic acid taken together with IVM. I am suspect of a study that makes a claim of infertility but in the same line says the effect is easily reversed by taking Alpha Lipoic acid found off the shelf at any pharmacy. Sounds like pharma sponsored FUD (Fear Uncertanty and Doubt) in preparation of the pandemic that Tim Truth is again spreading because of its incredible anticancer properties that is pharma's next big cash cow.

Abstract

This study was conducted to evaluate the effects of ivermectin (IVM) with therapeutic dose (injected with 0.56 mg/kg b.wt.) either alone or combined with alpha lipoic acid (ALA) (50 mg/kg b.wt daily) on expression of testicular insulin-like growth factor binding protein-3 (IGFBP-3) and heat-shock protein A1 (HSPA1)) genes in the testes, as well as on male rat fertility parameters. Results revealed that expression levels of IGFBP-3 and HSPA1 were significantly increased in testis of the IVM-treated group relative to the control group. Furthermore, injection of ivermectin showed a significant decrease in serum testosterone level, sperm count, motility %, live sperm% and index weight of reproductive organs, and a significant increase in sperm abnormalities. Moreover, IVM induced oxidative stress and pathological alterations in the testes. Meanwhile, the administration of ALA with IVM prevented testicular damage and improved all previous parameters. We concluded that ivermectin has undesirable effects on male fertility and altered expression of IGFBP-3 and HSPA1 genes in the testes, while the administration of alpha lipoic acid can ameliorate the adverse effects of ivermectin.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28880400/

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If the Nobel prize committee was to disband tomorrow they would do a great favor to science.

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But that was when the Nobel prize actually meant something.

Please recall the most recent winners in medicine or The Science or whatever.

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Have you ever considered the possibility that most cancers might be misdiagnoses?

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I am not a doctor ( thank the Lord). I have had horses and they would not give a poisonous dangerous drug to a race horse because their systems are so delicate. I take the paste and I am on 2 chats about this miracle medicine. It saves and solves . Just keep in mind who told us it was bad. Wonder why?

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I was watching Tim Truth when he was doing Gaza videos, he was great. Then all of a sudden he was doing music videos and other useless crap, thats when I believe he was captured, now he's putting crap out about Ivermectin and infertility, just do the math, it adds up to being captured.

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If I remember correctly Tim may have started his Ivermectin videos before Gaza got the mass bombing.

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You may be right but hes changed allot in his reporting, allot of music w/o speaking, just videos.

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I have always been a self healer since a friend of mine maybe 40 years ago told me about colloidal silver. she used it in all her animals eyes, ears mouth along with her self and her children.I have since done the same when applicable.

From there It began my self doctoring curing many an infection ,and here I am many years later free from all meds, It was BS propaganda by the medical establishment saying it would turn you blue. yes If you drank a 50 gallon barrel of it. I presently use a number of home remedies , lemon and Manuka honey the latest and I have a hulda clarke zapper for frequency healing.

BTW Un jabbed, and I did use Ivermectin, when sick .All fine

And drink water!!!

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that IVM study out of africa which made it to pubmed, and has been circulating for the last several months, is grossly underpowered and basically doesn't have a control group. if you survey a small sample of gravely ill people, sure, you'll find infertility. and a host of other problems.

a significant percentage of africa and south america are on IVM and have been for decades- we're talking entire continents, not just countries here. africa doesn't exactly have a fertility problem, and with the exception of the zika scam, south america didn't prior to 2021.

any time someone "takes a contemptuous tone, (about “truthers,” and “Conservatives,” that's a red flag

turpentine is an industrial solvent manufactured with other industrial solvents including acetone. they're all highly toxic and cause cancer. this isn't to say that the FDA should be trusted, but much higher levels of impurities are legal in products which are not designed for human consumption.

pine pitch and pine needles harvested in the wild, on the other hand, are perfectly safe. i've been drinking pine needle tea since the summer of 2021 and feel great.

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YES we people all should Trust the FDA & CDC who oversees & invest in our 5 billion in fraud fines and *leader in cause of death/ Big Pharma!!! (If we're nuts?) *See Dr. Null's well-documented book, Death by Medicine!

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