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I grew up in Rochester NY. I’m very familiar with what happened to all the people in Love Canal. What if this was a train on the Metro North NY line ? Do you think people here would be flipping out ? This entire thing upsets me terribly

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I'm not promoting this article or its premise. I just thought it better to direct your attention to it and let you process it.

https://rense.com/general97/chemical-weaponry-destined-for-ukraine-ignited-in-east-palestine.php

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At this point, everything is on the table. We are being attacked

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By whom? Alien entities? Reptilian overlords? Philanthropaths?

In any case, it is with the enthusiastic support of all the little Eichmanns.

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DeWine called the DoD right at the beginning. Why? This would be exactly why.

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Yup--100%. And the DOD made the call to burn it all.

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Very interesting read indeed!

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Did you find it consistent? What points if any did you not accept?

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First I noticed it was by Yoichi Shimatsu who writes for Global Research that I follow. I found it very plausible it having to with National Security, and with all the inconsistencies surrounding it, and especially the decision to burn so quickly and other information regarding it not being an actual controlled burning. There are several articles out on that here's one source "“It wasn’t a controlled burn. It was an uncontrolled burn,” independent environmental scientist and chemical spill expert Stephen Petty said." https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2023/02/24/east-palestine-uncontrolled-burn-n2619935

Who can deny the statement about the fact checker apologists who work hand in hand with the MSM spouting disinformation confirming each others lies all the time.

Overall it covered lots of details that seemed well researched, with of course the phosgene verification being the biggest question, well I'd just gotten an email from Natural News "Situation Update, Feb 24, 2023 - POISON PAPERS EXPOSED: Monsanto, BASF, Bayer and Dow all knew about DEADLY DIOXINS in the 1950s"

https://www.brighteon.com/e05fb5e9-c835-4faa-b6ee-7e150e61a639

A quick search if phosgene was a dioxin produced this

"(Phosgene was used as a chemical weapon in World War I.) Burning chlorinated materials can, according to the EPA, also form dioxins, highly carcinogenic compounds classified as “persistent organic pollutants” because they can accumulate in soil, water, and animal tissue."

From an article title "What Is Going On in East Palestine, Ohio?" found here, the statement is found under the heading "What was on the train?"

https://www.curbed.com/article/ohio-train-derailment-disaster-buttigieg.html#:~:text=%28Phosgene%20was%20used%20as%20a%20chemical%20weapon%20in,can%20accumulate%20in%20soil%2C%20water%2C%20and%20animal%20tissue.

Can it be verified it was going to be used for that purpose? It ties together a lot of things to make it plausible, more so than most theories.

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Appreciate the information. A writer for Global Research has some built-in credibility for me. I'm still not sure about the dynamics of the accident - intentional or not. Even if intentional, they could have just backed out of the theoretical plan, for whatever reasons. I agree the overall presentation has plausibility.

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Agree, not enough evidence to say on intentional or not.

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I found it provocative. I just forwarded it to a friend with a couple of initial questions, which don't really affect the consistency. One is, is there other independent confirmation to document that the EPA disclosed detection of phosgene in the black cloud. The other relates to the derailment itself, prior to the "controlled burning." I couldn't find where he deals with that part of it, but is he implying that the derailment itself WAS an accident? It would seem so, otherwise the alleged plan can't be carried out. I'm not saying it couldn't have been a true accident, and I DO believe that, if it were, it couldn't be covered up as described. Very interesting.

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Clarify: I believe it COULD be covered up as described.

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I'll post another I'm not really promoting either, be aware any Semetic references are directed towards the Khazarian Mafia, as I've actually emailed him in reference to this for clarification when I came across his site.

The East Palestine-Ukraine White Hat Psyop

https://www.realhistorychan.com/anyt-02232023.html

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Thanks, though Yoichi's chemistry and nomenclature are abysmal.

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Yikes if true!

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Fascinating article.

What are your thoughts on why it derailed? Real accident? Sabotaged?

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Feb 24, 2023·edited Feb 24, 2023

As a kid in Paterson, N.J. I often heard the expression "accidentally on purpose."

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these are my recommendations:

now— very serious- time for food sourcing --eat NOTHING from that area- ever- again

American- the West coast in particular, already got a toxic load from Fukushima/Daiichi nuclear plant (Motorola built). It blew all over the farmlands here- which means it’s in the milk- it’s bio-accumulated in the animals. I’m not saying this to scare you- but if we are going to survive this- we need to have the facts to hand

If you are buying food from Trader Joes/Safeway of wherever you shop- then you need to see where the food comes from.

i would recommend- never eat out at a restaurant - unless they certify organic- you can’t source that food and it’s not organic anyway. On top of that stop eating pre-made anything—

buy local farmer’s market--simplify your diet--make your own bone broth/vegetable broth- absolutely everything- buy Sally Fallons book- Nourishing Traditions--it’s not rocket science- have potlucks- share with your friends- have fun and cook together. Bring joy to friends and family.

Join a food coop that’s local for cheese/dairy/veggies/meat- whatever you eat

Join WAPF.org— attend their informational potlucks- learn how to eat and cook well.

All the food that comes from the Ohio and environs- wherever the water flows- where the wind blows-- is now contaminated- forever.

Farmers need your support- take the time in your life to make nourishing food- or start buying it from someone who cooks and needs the money. There are films- from Texas where you can see where the plastics are now manufactured- you can taste the plastic in the air--these psychopaths have been poisoning us forever. and it's not safe-

i am praying that one of the bomb trains that traverses the Oakland Hills near us, does not ‘accidentally’ explode on the way to the Richmond refineries.That would be the end of the organic dairy and farm products on the West coast-- we have 300+ refineries along the bay North of the Richmond refinery and there are constant spills and toxic releases over Richmond residents. We also have biolabs up and down the entire 101 freeway from SF north, and all along the bay in Berkeley. Our Water district is now pushing recycled, desal, sewer water for Marin residents—what they made San Diego residents drink --if you don’t think this is serious- then think about the fact that what comes out of the tap will be filled with contaminants- including quackzines. Start going to meetings where you live, and hope they are not engaging in the same f.....ery.

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we can't afford to help these americans. we're all too busy ironing our ukrainian flags

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https://lionessofjudah.substack.com/p/inside-job-cdc-changed-toxicity-info?r=1ry50w&fbclid=IwAR0ZTyV5vIj_qD8oqYLPpiR4us6Ry9RkhOWuUtv3Hu2DAcB9O2kmNQCBPa0

Inside job. CDC changed the toxicity info on vinyl chloride days before the derailment.

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Yes, but was it vinyl chloride?

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Let me know what you find out

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Perhaps the residents of East Palestine might appeal to Russia for non-lethal aid in their war.

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"Apparently it is not possible to know where this train originated nor where it was headed."

Take a look at https://robertyoho.substack.com/p/203-the-east-palestine-ohio-train where a fellow who seems knowledgeable in these matters says "On February 3, 2023, at approximately 8:54 p.m., eastbound Norfolk Southern general merchandise train No. 32N, en route from Madison, IL to Conway, PA, derailed in East Palestine, OH."

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Didn't you find it strange that the author of that piece cited the public bathroom wall of the internet as a source?

"2023 Ohio Train Derailment by Wikipedia - comprehensive and well-written"

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"I am a railroad manager who has been working in this industry since my teens. I have 45 years of experience with operations, facilities, and inspection," he says. And the article is consistent with that. Altho Wikipedia is not always wrong, it can change at any time so I didn't even look at it in this case.

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from out of chaos comes a new world order. Problem is the vinyl chloride was phosgene gas to be dropped on western ulraine and poland as a false flag! Burming the contents was only way to remove evidence of crimes against humanity!

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Phosgene doesn't burn. It's actually a fire extinguisher. (Better than halon.) Vinyl chloride does burn, though poorly. You can try it with PVC sprinkler pipe or a broken vinyl record. Put it out immediately after you're convinced, since the fumes are quite toxic and stinky.

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The contents from Dow (Agent orange/dioxins) was not vinyl chloride as labeled but waste products from Spectrulite corp (dow spinoff) from nucleur fuel rod decontamination. The sampling of rain water in montreal confirms presence of Phosgene gas

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Says Yoichi Shimatsu. Burning vinyl chloride monomer produces about 40 ppm phosgene. https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/0002889718506429

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Yoichi-the GOLD standard of investigative journalism!

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Not of chemistry, however. Is he a chymist?

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I am afraid that you are confusing the polymer which is a plastic with the monomer which is an explosive gas at room temperature.

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Not at all. The monomer burns only slightly better than the polymer. (Higher energy, and the vapor readily mixes with air.) Vinylidene chloride (see Yoichi's poorly-written article) is much more difficult to burn.

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I would suggest that you look at the NFPA safety diamond for vinyl chloride which is shown on Wikipedia. In the top, red flamibility box it is a 4. The NFPA defines this as:

4 Will rapidly or completely vaporize at normal atmospheric pressure and temperature, or is readily dispersed in air and will burn readily (e.g. acetylene, propane, hydrogen gas, diborane). Includes pyrophoric substances. Flash point below room temperature at 22.8 °C (73 °F).

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VCM might burn "readily", but not well. The soot content of a VCM flame varies from 3-6 weight percent. https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/0002889718506429

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Feb 25, 2023·edited Feb 25, 2023

Thank you for the link to that article. I found it interesting enough that I tried to access the full article, which of course would include the methodology, but was unable to do so. When I lived in RI, USA I had access to a very complete physical science library as an alum, but no longer do. Actually where I am currently living I only had access to electric power lines for the last two months. Do you have access to the whole article and if so, could you send it to me as a .pdf at el.gallinazo at proton……. male……. com? Thanks.

I found that the range in the abstract of flame temperature 950 to 1466 to be interesting. One can assume that the higher range was for free availability to atmospheric oxygen as the abstract did mention that they used air, and there was no mention of enriched oxygen. Unfortunately the combustion products didn’t give a range, but as a guess without the full article, the numbers were the result of free access to air. While it is obvious to a chemist that VCM would burn to some degree less readily than its non-chlorinated analog, ethylene, I assume that your statement that it was “not readily combustible, was based on the soot content. I wonder whether the experiments were conducted with the VCM in a beaker or aerosolized in some way. The way that the so-called “controlled burn” was conducted would parallel the latter in my opinion. I am somewhat dubious that in the case of the East Palestine conditions, that the most dangerous combustion product would be HCL rather than phosgene as the abstract asserts, though this would require more research on my part. There is also, in regard to the EP disaster, the dioxin question.

However, if your assertion that VCM does not burn well in an open air environment is accurate, then the .gov assertion that they ignited it in “a controlled burn” to avoid an explosion and shrapnel is fraudulent. Frankly, my gut feeling is that it was not an “accident” at all. Since the temperature of conversion to a gas at atmosphere pressure is −13.4 °C (7.9 °F; 259.8 K), then simply allowing it to evaporate from the rupture cars and organizing a short term evacuation of people down wind would have been the most innocuous course of action if it were truly an accident. What is your opinion on this? Of course we do not know the condition of the other tank cars containing other liquids.

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so no one knows who sent it and where??? there must be a starting point and a delivery point! Anyone knows where this line passes exactly? we must be able to find out. But I am going to read Jerry-s article and pulling up more maps of the US with train rails on it. We will need to dig this up or this whole country blows into our faces, like it did for these poor people from Ohio.

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Again, I don't know the source of the article but happened across it. So let me know what you think of it.

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very plausible. I would not be one bit surprised if it is true. After all, on president's day, the man supposed to be the president was embracing the president of a country at war he wants to defend by all possible means. I guess illegal ones too, because he obliged all Americans to take poisonous shots

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I live in Southern Ontario, Canada. I texted the following information on doixin to a number of my contacts. As far as I can tell, only the first recipient received the message and all other messages were blocked (censored). I've never personally experienced this before. I tested with a trusty friend and, once again, the message was blocked. Benign, follow-up messages went through to the people no problem. This is what I sent. Would appreciate knowing if others are experiencing similar blackouts on this story.

------------------------ Original Message ----------

Re East Palestine OH massive dioxin release.

https://hiddencomplexity.substack.com/p/ways-to-mitigate-dioxin-damage?publication_id=597993&isFreemail=true

Ways to mitigate Dioxin damage:

NAC -- very potent liver supplement

Melatonin

Chlorella

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Diabolical. I’d recommend changing service/carrier...? I’m completely tech illiterate but whatever can be done to get out from under their control and be free to text/message whoever and whatever you choose. This infuriates me.

And thank you for sharing detox measures! 🙏🏻♥️

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There is an app called Signal, which, as far as we know, enables free encrypted end-to-end speech. I was trying to reach to "normie" contacts who use text and are trusting folks.

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Never even heard of “Signal”! (I wasn’t kidding about being tech-illiterate😁) Another great tip - thank you!

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You guys, just came across another curious detail in connection to East Palestine-- Apparently, back in October, a surveillance wearable-program was being rolled out specifically for beta testing in the East Palestine area, "MY I.D.". ( The link to the report: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNqluWRf6r8 ) And links to the wearables-program: https://www.wkbn.com/news/local-news/east-palestine-weeks-away-from-launching-new-myid-medical-service/

https://www.wkbn.com/news/local-news/east-palestine-switching-to-myid-emergency-service/

https://www.visiontimes.com/2023/02/18/east-palestine-digital-id-medical-wearables.html

With the foreshadow-cabal-signalling via that verbatim script film they recently shot there, and now this East Palestine-targeted wearable-program roll-out just prior to the incident, its clear in my mind that this is so hardcore one of the cabal's pre-orchestrated test-case operations for executing multiple objectives. A WHOLE BALL O' WAX....................

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What do you think about offering people from East Palestine to come live with us? I realize there is the economic issue, meaning job loss. But, I have room in my home for people. If anyone sees the usefulness of this and also the implementation for it, please reach out!

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Bless you, Elle! 🙏🏻♥️

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i just listened to the wonderful zoom that Eric and others organized- they are talking about having Erin Brokovich come to speak to energize the population. Please get the word out to your friends and family to watch this amazing informational- the step by step- how to to organize the community- get publicity from major media. Eric really outlines it here- how to be successful. All of our communities need to understand how to do this. It will happen everywhere- this is what Naomi Wolf warned us about- it's planned chaos. Every community needs to be ready to be self sufficient- know your local resources. If you are not meeting with community groups- do it now.

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Kennedy’s Limo was scrubbed the same afternoon. Fact.

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There are train webcams. Wonder if they have historical videos and can piece together the train’s route. Virtual Railfan is one. Anybody ask them????

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this is so important- thanks for keeping on this topic!!! here is what I just sent my friends here in CA--- where our lands were already hit hard by Fukushima fallout as the winds blew across America- it hit the west coast first. There was weather modification at that time- and it rained out all over Pt.Reyes seashore

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