I’ve been away from this Substack for several hours, and in that time, a friend called to tell me I that what I wrote, here, led to a post by Alison McDowell which apparently listed at least some of my flaws. I’ve not had a chance to read it. I’ve rarely been so at a loss as to what I said or did that was so injurious, but the fact it, what I wrote caused upset.
Apr 17, 2023·edited Apr 17, 2023Liked by Celia Farber
when Trump Jr said drink bud light recently..... who told him to say that? ...well who really has integrity....??? I like the integrity I see in Robert Kennedy Jr and so much of what he has said and integrity counts more to me than political labels between left and right, dem and repub
Apr 17, 2023·edited Apr 17, 2023Liked by Celia Farber
Oh, Celia, I feel for you and I honor your choice to apologize. Sometimes a conversation becomes so convoluted that it simply can't be sorted out and the best we can do is to let it go and move on. You have more important things on your plate right now, and that's where you need to focus. I don't always agree with RFK Jr., nor do I always agree with you; but I honor both of you for having the courage to stand for truth as you see it, for being willing to amend your view on the basis of new information, and for doing all of that with compassion and grace. May you put this behind you now in order to get the rest you need.
Alison McDowell is quite brilliant. Justified or not- it is disheartening that she does not find as much common cause as she seems to find fault with others on a similar path.
To any and all that are concerned about RFK jr. having issues.
You are laughable. For the last 50 odd years the leadership in your country have been people of immorality, consumate liars, thieves, rapists( and I don't mean Trump). Opportunists, shallow , iliterate clowns open to any and all bribes.
We finally have someone who is running, not for personal gain or ego but has come to the realization that western civilization is a hollowed out corpse on the brink of collapse.
The man brings intelligence, insight ,honesty and perseption to a country that can't tell reality from fantasy and your splitting hairs. This man singlehanditly brought down Fauci with his book. RFK jr. is not your enemy. Grow up.
You have tremendous grace and maturity. This is a perfect example of why I normally do not get into discussions in comments. As my college speech professor once said, “In communication there is always partial misunderstanding.” I truly admire your attitude in this matter. Thank you, as always for all you are doing.
As a recent graduate of Nigerian Prince School of Virology, (my diploma is in the mail they said) I am aquainted with the virus/no virus debate. In school they did show us lots of pictures and told us what they meant. But setting all that aside, I do know we have been lied to and manipulated by weapons grade propaganda. Multi levels of conflicting lies going back a hundred years. When one lie falls apart they have a new one ready to go. RFK's book is masterpiece, I'm not going to read too much into chapter titles. Yes, I know virology is a dodgy business and the medical system is a train wreck. Lets work together and fix it.
Sometimtes it's a good idea just to not say" I'm sorry." Such a difficult thing, to know when to apologize, why you are apologizing, even if you need to apolgize. I really, really struggle with this issue. For example, last Thanksgiving I was visiting with my adult daughter and her family. She has a challenge with ideology, as she can be gaslit (as so very many do) and in Canada, wow do we have a lot of that going on. I was in the 'right' about something, yet she took offence. On the long drive home across the prairies I thought about the situation, struggled really as I felt I did not have anything for which to apologize. She never apolgizes to me, which upsets me greatly. But, being the parent, I finally decided to say I was sorry. after I had returned home. She felt better. I didn't. But I guess that not's the point. I just didn't want to be the source of more grief for her, and at the same time wished that she would have examined her choice of response to me. Mother-daughter stuff!
In your case, the possible future president! Why do we always have to be nice! Nice, nice, nice, nice. nice. I hate the word. By age four I was trapped in it. I also don't like to hurt or to upset people. But that means that I can wind up not speaking at all, because of what 'they' don't want to hear, and don't want to think about. It's easier. But I walk away feeling a life-time of sorries and my own silence. Not on top of that yet.
Wish you well Celia. You are so very fortunate that you know Kennedy, that you know him to be a good man. I hope he sees through the carbon issue for all of our sakes.
We are all in this together, trite as it sounds (though it is not in the least trite, in reality).
Sometimes in written word - particularly in commentary, particularly in these times - we cross wires, 'miss' the tone of a phrase, etc etc. Let's face it, there are countless opportunities to misunderstand one another.
Your apology is a balm. Your integrity is a gift. May you and Alison and Sandra find new ground going forward.
Celia, I would say that Alison McDowell was upset by something you wrote, but that doesn't mean you said or did anything injurious...you must let her be responsible for her emotions, her blind spots, her triggers, her possibly erroneous information, her prejudices, her name-calling, etc. If she blames her responses on you, then she is being a victim and she does not deserve your lovely kindness, tenderness, conscientiousness. And you don't have to agree with each other. I used to apologize to my brother when I did nothing wrong because I knew he couldn't, and I wanted us to stay open to each other.
As for Bobby, we know of his goodness and compassionate work and fine stirring oratory, and let's just pay attention and see how it all unfolds. He's certainly got my attention.
“To fear for his life is an insult to his guardian angels” YES!!!!
“For he will command his angels concerning you to guard you in all your ways. On their hands they shall bear you up, lest you strike your foot against a stone.” -Psalm 91:11-12
Wow, I love his stance on vaccines but not the climate. We need CO2 to survive. There are thousands of scientists who say it’s another freedom grabbing hoax.
You are just sweet, Celia. But I myself feel a little irked on your behalf... a kind person like you should not have to apologize just to keep peace. It’s your call, of course, but like I said: you are sweet. It’s who you are.
I enjoy reading even your simple apology. You like Bobby are a peace maker. Maybe you could write his speeches when he becomes president
when Trump Jr said drink bud light recently..... who told him to say that? ...well who really has integrity....??? I like the integrity I see in Robert Kennedy Jr and so much of what he has said and integrity counts more to me than political labels between left and right, dem and repub
Oh, Celia, I feel for you and I honor your choice to apologize. Sometimes a conversation becomes so convoluted that it simply can't be sorted out and the best we can do is to let it go and move on. You have more important things on your plate right now, and that's where you need to focus. I don't always agree with RFK Jr., nor do I always agree with you; but I honor both of you for having the courage to stand for truth as you see it, for being willing to amend your view on the basis of new information, and for doing all of that with compassion and grace. May you put this behind you now in order to get the rest you need.
Alison McDowell is quite brilliant. Justified or not- it is disheartening that she does not find as much common cause as she seems to find fault with others on a similar path.
To any and all that are concerned about RFK jr. having issues.
You are laughable. For the last 50 odd years the leadership in your country have been people of immorality, consumate liars, thieves, rapists( and I don't mean Trump). Opportunists, shallow , iliterate clowns open to any and all bribes.
We finally have someone who is running, not for personal gain or ego but has come to the realization that western civilization is a hollowed out corpse on the brink of collapse.
The man brings intelligence, insight ,honesty and perseption to a country that can't tell reality from fantasy and your splitting hairs. This man singlehanditly brought down Fauci with his book. RFK jr. is not your enemy. Grow up.
I respectfully disagree.
Apologies for someone else's bad imagination and hostility are a horrible mistake, inviting further attacks as soon as possible.
No one should ever apologize unless he or she knows for a fact that he or she acted with malice or inexcusable carelessness.
Please do not feed the beast. Do NOT apologize.
You have tremendous grace and maturity. This is a perfect example of why I normally do not get into discussions in comments. As my college speech professor once said, “In communication there is always partial misunderstanding.” I truly admire your attitude in this matter. Thank you, as always for all you are doing.
As a recent graduate of Nigerian Prince School of Virology, (my diploma is in the mail they said) I am aquainted with the virus/no virus debate. In school they did show us lots of pictures and told us what they meant. But setting all that aside, I do know we have been lied to and manipulated by weapons grade propaganda. Multi levels of conflicting lies going back a hundred years. When one lie falls apart they have a new one ready to go. RFK's book is masterpiece, I'm not going to read too much into chapter titles. Yes, I know virology is a dodgy business and the medical system is a train wreck. Lets work together and fix it.
Sometimtes it's a good idea just to not say" I'm sorry." Such a difficult thing, to know when to apologize, why you are apologizing, even if you need to apolgize. I really, really struggle with this issue. For example, last Thanksgiving I was visiting with my adult daughter and her family. She has a challenge with ideology, as she can be gaslit (as so very many do) and in Canada, wow do we have a lot of that going on. I was in the 'right' about something, yet she took offence. On the long drive home across the prairies I thought about the situation, struggled really as I felt I did not have anything for which to apologize. She never apolgizes to me, which upsets me greatly. But, being the parent, I finally decided to say I was sorry. after I had returned home. She felt better. I didn't. But I guess that not's the point. I just didn't want to be the source of more grief for her, and at the same time wished that she would have examined her choice of response to me. Mother-daughter stuff!
In your case, the possible future president! Why do we always have to be nice! Nice, nice, nice, nice. nice. I hate the word. By age four I was trapped in it. I also don't like to hurt or to upset people. But that means that I can wind up not speaking at all, because of what 'they' don't want to hear, and don't want to think about. It's easier. But I walk away feeling a life-time of sorries and my own silence. Not on top of that yet.
Wish you well Celia. You are so very fortunate that you know Kennedy, that you know him to be a good man. I hope he sees through the carbon issue for all of our sakes.
Apologies are important. We would all do better if we used them more often.
https://simplechristianity.substack.com/p/prayer-with-no-conditions
Thank you, Celia. You rock.
We are all in this together, trite as it sounds (though it is not in the least trite, in reality).
Sometimes in written word - particularly in commentary, particularly in these times - we cross wires, 'miss' the tone of a phrase, etc etc. Let's face it, there are countless opportunities to misunderstand one another.
Your apology is a balm. Your integrity is a gift. May you and Alison and Sandra find new ground going forward.
Celia, I would say that Alison McDowell was upset by something you wrote, but that doesn't mean you said or did anything injurious...you must let her be responsible for her emotions, her blind spots, her triggers, her possibly erroneous information, her prejudices, her name-calling, etc. If she blames her responses on you, then she is being a victim and she does not deserve your lovely kindness, tenderness, conscientiousness. And you don't have to agree with each other. I used to apologize to my brother when I did nothing wrong because I knew he couldn't, and I wanted us to stay open to each other.
As for Bobby, we know of his goodness and compassionate work and fine stirring oratory, and let's just pay attention and see how it all unfolds. He's certainly got my attention.
“To fear for his life is an insult to his guardian angels” YES!!!!
“For he will command his angels concerning you to guard you in all your ways. On their hands they shall bear you up, lest you strike your foot against a stone.” -Psalm 91:11-12
Wow, I love his stance on vaccines but not the climate. We need CO2 to survive. There are thousands of scientists who say it’s another freedom grabbing hoax.
I’m just here for the book of Romans; always soothes my soul. 🥰
You are just sweet, Celia. But I myself feel a little irked on your behalf... a kind person like you should not have to apologize just to keep peace. It’s your call, of course, but like I said: you are sweet. It’s who you are.