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60Gigahertz2's avatar

When I worked for GE as a vendor slave, I came across https://despair.com/collections/posters. OMG. We laughed so hard. It fit everything we were sufferring through absolutely perfectly. When people quit, we would give them a memento from that website... which happened often because our turnover was 70% in the first 6 months.

At IBM and GE I sufferred through the corporate brainwashing fad of "team building events and exercises." We saw our bonuses disappear, whenever the team building motivational consultants began their annual trek to our offices from wherever they were based.

In my desperation to get out of these sordid events, I would politely say, "I came here to do a job and earn a living to the best of my ability. I am kind to my co-workers re-gardless. But I did not come here to become psychologically intimate with my co-workers, and they didn't either." Everyone agreed with me. It was all grin and bear it from start to finish.

And I would still be exspected to particpate in the consultants ridiculous games. None of it was ever fun or enlightening. It all felt coercive and brainwashy (if you let it).

carolyn kostopoulos's avatar

i LOVED these! thank you. i remember that "motivational" phase of corporate ideology, as if a hackneyed poster could provide real inspiration to people who did nothing of use with their hands. i'm so happy/lucky that i never worked for any of those types. in college, i majored in psychology and could have ended up in grant chasing academia but so much of what they tried to teach us was obvious bullshit that i did not pursue an advanced degree and opened a theatrical costume shop instead. doing real things with your hands keeps you grounded. it makes complete sense that Owen Benjamin is a classical pianist. we don't need AI or corporate widgets; we need regenerative farmers. young people should drop out of that system that would crush their souls and get a plot of land and a few animals instead

60Gigahertz2's avatar

I couldn't agree more. I am still chipping away at my community garden. I finally figured out what to do with the greenhouse. People like us are popping up everywhere... and many who have been enduring "the system" are realizing that there is a way out.

Good on you to get away from academia. Wages are so low in forestry that a lot of the brightest get sucked into academia as well. Degree inflation, where you don't make any money unless you have a Masters or a PhD was alive and well in the 1980's... and then the person who was going to restore conservation to public land management from the inside, is economically trapped in academia or utterly corrupt international work.

carolyn kostopoulos's avatar

we made a greenhouse out of salvaged doors and windows last summer. the thing that got me out of psychology was the "refrigerator mother" theory that was 100% "settled science" in the early 70's when i was in college. the "experts" all agreed that autism, which was still pretty rare then since vaccine makers hadn't yet been given legal immunity, was caused by a cold unfeeling mother. even if the poor woman insisted that she loved and wanted her child, the shrink would tell her that she "unconsciously" rejected him, giving husbands just the excuse they needed to leave a bad situation and go looking for a "nicer" woman.

i had sewed since childhood and was making costumes for a small community theater when i went for my graduate interview at Princeton U. i took a costume with me and did handwork through the entire interview! obviously, i was rejected, but it certainly taught me what my priorities were.

my cousin's wife took the swine flu vaccine in 1976 and spent a year in a wheelchair with what i now know was GBS. i haven't had a shot since.

i opened a costume shop in NY and we did many Broadway shows. i became the Costume Director of the Spoleto Arts Festival in Charleston, SC in 1982, spending 6 or 7 weeks there every May/June. i fell in love with the town and bought 4 ruined houses there when houses were cheap. i restored them and rented them out. in 2022, the Festival- to which i had dedicated my entire life- fired me over my refusal to take a covid vaccine.

since i have never had a mammogram or a colonoscopy, can count my visits to a GYN on the fingers of one hand and had the Festival's legal department rewrite my contract to eliminate the tetanus shot requirement before i would sign it, i'm not sure why they were surprised that i wouldn't go along with the 2022 mandate.

we still live here, but with less purpose and love than we once had.

every summer, we attend farming seminars at Polyface Farm, Joel Salatin's place, in the Shenandoah Valley. the guest speakers are wonderful. if you are anywhere near there, you should really consider making a pilgrimage to the sacred ground

Kilquor's avatar
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Motivational Consultents ??

Vogon aspirant noesis Trumps UFO files ,a cartoon amazingly satirical anti russian quantum engineering view of RU pig headedness in inked vicious mirth .

Serbja ,Gazprom cartoon ,size of a wall poster enlarged ,minute detail . The serbs would allow me to purchase a copy ,but held on to it at the border .Karadic is not stupid .

Everything that Clinton released Arkan in 1981 from max security Bijlmer prison through the herpetically challenged AVID (NLss) to avoid in South Stream ,15 years before Vukovar ,Shell suggested .

Serbs would have crucified the Bandera cloned ukranians after serving Vogon poetry to Putin ,the latter resulting in (HGG link above by Adams ) -being strangled in protest by own intestines ,involuntarily .

60Gigahertz2's avatar

That sounds just as grim!:))

Kilquor's avatar

Worse ,try the Adams book - its necessary for sanity ,prescient .

60Gigahertz2's avatar

I don't see the "HGG link above" to the book by Adams...:)))

60Gigahertz2's avatar

I've tried 3 browsers and ran CleanMaster to clear the machine... but I am being blocked from access to that link...

We are incredibly censored here in the USA. Probably as bad or worse than Russia.

agent Rogelier than you's avatar

The case against despair thus presented is utilitarian or consequentialist. In other words, it is a weak case. Owen can do better than consequentialism!

Speaking of despair, remember the three Delphic maxims: know yourself, nothing in excess, safety brings ruin.

These old sentences or phrases have different renderings. I have also found the last one translated as "security, then ruin" and "a promise becomes a betrayal".

These days all acts of despotism are rooted in the ideas of safety and security. Not surprisingly, we see many ruinous trajectories in the skies, and even on the ground.

Despair has one solution: hope. We can know hope is a good thing because all the worst people on the internet write and speak against hope, in communion with old Marxist doctrine.

Speaking of Marxism and despair, it's inevitable to speak of narcissism. I hate writing the word, so I will be using the abbreviation n8m instead (because there are eight letters between the initial 'n' and the final 'm').

So what's up with n8m? I believe the power class promotes n8m for its own benefit, because n8m makes people weaker, devoid of any moral fortitude, incapable of opposing domination. The attacks of Marxism against families are essentially the same as cursing people with n8m. Another example is the destruction of superior education: universities are not about knowledge, but about the self-aggrandizement of the so called students. And I could go on with a bunch of other examples, but it's unnecessary.

So, n8m is a tool to control tools.

The tool of tools, pardon my Hebrew.

Back to tragedy and hope, and good intentions and despair, and in conclusion, people need to listen to the sound of music or something. For example, the planets number 4, by Gustav Holst: youtu.be/rQpAJK-voWM

A.M.'s avatar

Yes, I was thinking along the same lines; despair is the opposite of Christianity. Despair is just another means of keeping people in line with the Marxist agenda.

I unfollowed Owen Benjamin on X. I just no longer trust him and I really wanted to trust him, but I responded factually to some X post he made with a ridiculous claim--about Hiroshima and how no one had really been hurt. And then he posted something back about how I needed to get a grip and stop being emotional. It was weird, as I wasn't emotional at all (why would I be--it's not as if I've got skin in that game). So I had to think through that response and the only answer I could come up with in this murky online world is best case scenario he is not honest or authentically pursuing truth and I don't have time to invest in games.

You are right about n8m--it's another dead end road out to destroy people by instilling them with a false sense of self.

agent Rogelier than you's avatar

The 'stop being emotional' response is just a boilerplate text he says to everyone, to dominate the conversation. As the stand-up comedian that he is, he wants to dominate the conversation. There can be no conversation with that attitude, much less on twitter. It's better to see his messages as a rehearsal of jokes.

Smart people learn to not trust comedians too much. Dumb people double down on their error. For example, Owen spent years playing the hardcore anti-jew character. He had to stop for self-preservation instinct. Many former "followers" of his do not forgive that he became a softie and stopped attacking that imaginary enemy. Now his regular audience is smaller, the ratio dumb/smart has decreased.

RosaryKnight's avatar

Is Owen still a disbeliever in Christianity? I haven't listened to him for quite a while now.

agent Rogelier than you's avatar

I guess so. He may be an Arianist or sumthin'.

But he is not a teacher, just a comedian. It's an error to take comedians as teachers of the faith.

A.M.'s avatar

Interesting comments, Roger. When I first started watching him he lived near me, and then he moved to Idaho, which is also geographically close, and he had funny insights on local issues that he occasionally mentioned and so I didn't think of him as a comedian, but of course, that was a mistake. Odd to contemplate the basic truths still enduring from medieval types, of which, of course, the jokester is one.

Sophia's avatar

I’ve been thinking of you, Celia, and missing you! So happy to get your post. I hope you were able to complete your work project and then get some rest, enjoy a little sun, rejuvenate.

Karen's avatar

The case against despair is that we love each other, everyone and all. The grinch could not vanquish the whos of whoville and nor will we

Aloe's avatar

There are certain people who don't resonate with me on any level and Tucker is one of those. It's an observation. It's not a criticism. I just don't get Tucker Carlson. there are people who get him and I'm happy for him and for them both as for me I find my "jam" my liberation from stress and tension elsewhere. He and Candice Owens to me are two peas in a pod. I'm sure they're lovely people, but I don't waste a lot of time listening to them because they do not "resonate" with me and my heart and my soul. 🙏🙏🙏🙏❤️

Kimpeccable's avatar

I found Owen at the beginning of covid. He made a hilarious video about how people complied with insane mandates and the "mystery fluid" jab.

I agree with him on the trans cult insanity. He's smart, brave, talented, and authentic. However, he does have some blind spots: jazz, the belief that having a family is the ultimate achievement, and that being gay is a sin against God. I agree with him about wizards and spells, but I also think you can cast one on yourself and not know it. That said, I thought it was a great discussion.

RosaryKnight's avatar

Being homosexual is not a sin, but homosexual behavior is in fact one of the four sins the Bible says "cry to heaven for vengeance. They are

1. willful murder

2. oppressing the poor

3. depriving the laborer of his wages

4. sodomy

Yowza's avatar

"Do not fall into despair, for there still is, yet, love in the world" - Unknown

RosaryKnight's avatar

Even love in the world is not enough, since it all ends in death. True hope is a theological virtue, along with faith & charity (self-sacrificing love) & is a gift from God & aims beyond death & is centered in Christ, outside of whom there can be not only no hope but no understanding of the meaning of human existence.

"Not only do we understand God only through Jesus Christ, but we understand ourselves only through Jesus Christ. We understand life and death only through Jesus Christ. Outside Jesus Christ we do not know what life is, nor death, nor God, nor ourselves." - Blaise Pascal, Pensees (see The Best of Pascal:

amazon.com/Best-Pascal-Selections-Pensees/dp/1544909063/ref=sr_1_1

The Family Industrial Complex's avatar

Fk "celebrity" worship! People Abused as and since they're children have been saying it DECADES BEFORE THIS GUY! But, No one listened because they weren't "celebrities!"

JamesDuff's avatar

Thanks for sharing idk Owen! Good for road listening.

Frontera Lupita's avatar

Interesting! A friend just sent me the Owen Benjamin interview with TC this morning! Like minds attract!

James Bernard Shepard's avatar

Thank you for introducing me to this very wise and very interesting man. I would never have heard of him were it not for you. I'm listening very intently to the conversation between him and Carlson. That will be my study for today. He is a lesson in stopping and considering one's own life instead of letting your life be a useful tool for something or someone else. I say "something" because Owen Benjamin says he found himself being persecuted and at first demanded to know who was doing this to him, but then he realized that there was really no one who could be blamed because his enemy was a "behaviour" which had been activated within his entire public milieu, which could be perhaps characterized as a "shunning" reflex in response to Owen having been branded as toxic. Owen calls it a "collective" evil.

My reflex thought was, "This is like Satan being nothingness. Like 'my name is legion'". Those who worship Satan mostly do not know that they are worshipping, they simply are in the grip of an obsession; one tries to identify the origin and when one has finally entered the inner sanctum of the evil impulse – the impulse to destroy and make dead what is living [I'm going back to Fromm's concept of necromancy] – one finds that where one expected to confront a conscious personage one instead finds that nobody is there.

The impulse to nihilism triumphs in the obliteration of personhood, so Satan is ever about-to-be-One-integer but it is One-that-denies-Everything so it denies its own integrity. There is, I feel, a real demonic spiritual force in the metaphysical dimension which is described in the Gospel as a demon whose "name is legion". To lose one's own personal integrity is literally the state of insanity. It is very well described by the template of "demonic possession"; when identity is gone, when integrity has been destroyed and one deeply senses this lack of a personal core, the reaction is to seize upon some constructed identity and hold it obsessively. This is how the demon propagates, as it were.

The image of Satan is perfectly modernized in the concept and image of The Virus. Here I am in danger of offending virologists and anti-virologists alike; I subscribe to both Jessica Rose's articles and Sasha Latypova’s articles and when they really get specific about their expertise I can barely understand what they are saying. I'm a literary man so I'm talking about a Concept, not a particle on a slide.

The Virus is conceptualized as an entity that may exist (as Jessica Rose believes), or it may not really exist as such(as Sasha Latypova believes). The Virus, as a concept, is a described as a dead collection of almost-alive elements perpetually seeking to invade a really alive organism and take over its identity.

Does the modern, atheistic "scientific" concept of The Virus really make any improvement upon the ancient concept of The Demon? Excuse this old Shakespeare lover, but I don't see an improvement. In fact I see a regression. Something which has a mental/spiritual reality which impinges upon people's moral faculties as a practical, observable phenomenon – to wit, homicidal madness – is now being materialized and thus shunted away into the care of exclusive, occult priests who have doffed holy robes and put on white coats. Instead of chasing angels and demons now the modern Church of Holy Science is making its donation money preaching about particles.

We all are left to our own devices now as we encounter collective evil. I have valued Wilhelm's translation of the I Ching for bracing inspiration in times of trouble.

From the I Ching, Wilhelm translation:

Hexigram 36, Ming, Darkening of the Light…

Six in the fourth place means:

He penetrates the left side of the belly.
 One gets at the very heart of the darkening of the light

And leaves gate and courtyard

We find ourselves close to the commander of darkness and so discover his most secret thoughts. In this way we realize that there is no longer any hope of improvement, and thus we are enabled to leave the scene of disaster before the storm breaks.

Crixcyon's avatar

Failure to create your own reality means that you end up accepting other's fake realities. You cannot be cancelled by idiots you have refused entrance into your personal reality.

Jacqui Deevoy's avatar

I love Owen Benjamin. Seeing him wake up to the flat earth truth back in 2019 was a joy to behold. He set about trying to debunk it but the scales quickly fell from his eyes. The same happened to me in 2015.

andy's avatar

It’s Spring.

Spread d’asparagus.

But first, stand those stalks up on their trimmed edges in a skinny pot & steam them for a few minutes.

And remember that in The Edge the grizzly was just a neutral fact, the photographer was despair, the superhero billionaire was the asparagus spreader-steamer & boundaries kept all three in the lanes they brought with them.

There was no spread.

Is there ever, actually?

blablavatskaya's avatar

2 hours, 10 minutes of basically breathless monologue by a self-obsessed self-promoter, like everyone else. are there clips that wouldn't waste other people's time? I watched some, expectantly, then jump-cut, to no avail. it could be summarized.

Russell Cohn's avatar

Wow amazing conversation. Thank you!