" You can check out anytime you want, you just cannot leave."
" ....you cannot kill the beast. "
Then there was Brexit.
Ah yes, the unelected bureaucrats. As in the US government as well. Congress is a sterile appendage of a corrupted Republic.
I opine the EU will collapse on itself. Europe has never been able to take care of it's own affairs. Two World Wars and a third brewing now. It is reaching a boiling point. Oh yes, the Minsk Agreement, Angela Merkle. We never intended to honor it. Rather we lied to buy some time.
Well there you go NATO and the EU. It is the same beast.
It will kill itself with a third World War. If that doesn't do it the welcomed Muslim invasion will.
Russia was an ally in I and II. Remember?
Probably not. Germany is the dark face in the woodpile.
I would posit that you add the US to the NATO/EU beast conglomerate, ruled by allied bureaucrats. The western nations have very little left, overrun with needy migrants, weakened by poisoned injections and food, all by design and decades in the making. Russia was an ally of the US in long ago times.
"...who have ordered our education from the books that falsified our revolution..." From the imbedded video of Orbán's 1989 speech.
History falsified? Then published? Then taught as truth? Nah. Can't be...
Everything needs a question mark. Everything. Even the "history" that "everybody knows." Yes...even 𝒕𝒉𝒂𝒕 piece of history, boys and girls, that questioning can get one jailed for in some gulags posing as countries.
P.S. I'm half Hungarian. A photo taken of my paternal grandparents and my father's eldest sister before they left for "America" hangs in the Ellis Island Museum.
Any state in the EU that wants to work on behalf of it's citizens is an outlaw state. When they gave up their currencies they accepted the mien of "vassal state", to be derided by labels such as PIGS (Portugal, Italy,Greece, Spain) which I would say were the countries with the most humane policies as opposed to ice cold " liberalism"
I would agree with everything in Manorborn's posted segment though I would describe the current position, and even more so, the momentum, of the EU resembles the USSR even more than "of ruling class elites who’re indistinguishable in character and ambitions from the feudal leaders of Europe’s bloodstained past."
I have regarded for several years as my general understanding has increased, that Abraham Lincoln was the absolute worst president of any in US history, to be followed by runners up Woodrow Wilson and then FDR. He converted the Constitution into an instrument of oppression for the sovereign states under the Articles of Confederation and the Constitution for the first 70 odd years. The states refused to ratify the proposed Constitution until the first 10 amendments were included into it, and particularly the tenth, which essentially reads that any power to the federal government not specifically given in the preceding Constitution shall remain relegated to the states. This has been reversed and supported by the "Supreme Court" to state that federal laws, regulations, and "executive orders," without exception overrule state statues. The Bill of Rights was quite explicit that it restricted the powers of the new federation and not to be implied, the powers of the states. In addition to turning the once sovereign states into vassals, Lincoln got more fighting age men slaughtered in the War of Southern Secession than in all other wars of the USA combined, which has been involved in continuous wars than not since its founding. I have described that war as a contested and violent divorce proceeding in which the Confederate states had every legal and moral right to leave the Federation.
To those who might raise the slavery question, I would ask why did the Underground Railroad end in Canada rather than say in Ohio. And I would answer that to the best of my knowledge, every state in the North had laws on its books that captured, runaway slaves had to be returned to the South. So much for the bullshit argument that War was about the moral question of slavery, which was just a fig leaf to hide the real reason, the domination of the industrializing North over the still agricultural South. Furthermore, slavery was on the way out globally because industrial, de facto slavery was more profitable than traditional slavery and not, in reality, based on the moral question. Even Perfidious Albion had outlawed slavery decades earlier and Russia, under the Tsar in the 1860's, had ended serfdom.
So Orban has caved to the EU. Pity. I think the people of Hungary would fight to the last if given the choice, no? Wonder what the people of Europe would do if they witnessed a country, Hungary, wiped out because they would not give in and become part of the blob.
It is about Realpolitik. Orban has failed to follow through by not building up the army; Hungary´s is minuscule, thus of little consequence. He has now had two years in which to do so, and the time has been wasted. He could have loudly "bolstered our contribution to NATO," and then work toward an R2P maneuver for the benefit of the persecuted Hungarian minority in the Ukraruine. This would have given him the chance of establishing a land bridge to Russia, and breaking the stranglehold. Yet Orban seems to be a man of half-measures.
At least the USSR had an excuse - change of social/economic relations from Czar to people, hugely violent war, fear of the Axis partners after the war - as things look now they were correct. The European nations would not seem to have an excuse. One looks on from afar and thinks how stupid and servile and self defeating can they possibly be? And then it gets worse. If only the US had used its might for the benefit of all rather than the few. Always had to have enemies. Mostly made up ones.
As a European living in Portugal, I prefer to be here than in Russia, or Hungary, or Poland (and that's not because their climates are cold and rough). The reality of the EU lording it over European countries is that a significant proportion of the laws imposed are 'diluted' to suit local cultural preferences and conditions.
Fair point, but some historians are predicting the break-up of the EU, in which case Europewide unelected centralised top-down power might not prevail. Then again, Brexit seems to show that opting out is no guarantee of 'taking back control' of one's sovereignty either; you just get national robber-barons in charge instead. Given the routing of Greece some years back, it's the banking system (IMF, ECB) that seem to call the shots more than the eurocrats.
and Javier Milei is being feted for proposing taking power from elected and unelected posts, and giving it to private business, the 'free' market. A breakup can't happen too soon. They better get working before they turn the migrants into a standing army and release them on the people. 'they' occupy both faces of the same coin. Like the US where both parties are owned by the same corporate lobbyists. The big banks are the largest donors to both parties. The EU admin is owned by the same group.
One of my great aunts was a "British Israelite" (believing the Brits and northern Europeans were direct descendents of the ten lost tribes of Israel). She was 100% against joining the "Common Market" (as was called then) in 1973. She viewed it as the thin end of the wedge of a takeover (I think, I was only a teenager at the time).
There are many who believe the same thing. I have an obscure little book about the Norse runes being readable as paleo-Hebrew. If you don't know what the Declaration of Arbroath is, look it up. Y gene tracing has evidence on this assertion. And of course, there is the historic evidence at the Rozabal tomb. "I have other sheep, who are not of this fold".
Hmmm, intriguing. The Declaration of Arbroath rings a faint bell (I'm part Scottish, maybe that's why) -- I'll check it out thank you. Rozabal tomb ... not heard of it; will check that out too. Best regards, Josh.
I'm european, but sry I can't see any of that here... just take Covid times, non difference with Nazi State. Take the Digital Act (btw from which year in europe we use the term "Act" to name a law as those criminals from US government does?).
Just read what an idiot of EU Commission Foreign Office said after Carlson/Putin interview: he threatened Carlson to consequences by that nazi Act...
And finally you haven't read the interview to another nazi from europe called Stoltenberg, head of Nato, that want to send F.16 fighters bombers to Ukraine to attack places inside Russia...
And then UK and Germany want Assange in jail or dead in USA?
Sorry but this not my country and even less my continent! My grandparents were occupied by fascist and nazi during the WWII, I'll not permit the same to my family!
Hungary still has its own currency, as do a few other EU countries, hence extricating itself from the EU would not necessarily be an insurmountable challenge. Those countries on the other hand which are in the eurozone face are essentially trapped. Leaving the euro would be a hellish endeavor.
You absolutely painted it right, but the real problem, not only in EU, are not politicians, or Elite. As in history citizens can cut their heads with the guillotine or other spectacular systems. But they will not, in a close future.
To make it short, we have a problem of communications, of discussions, to debate our history, how we came to this point and why and how to exit. No one does it anymore. Younger ones don't even know what debating means... And younger it means europeans under the age of 50...
As Putin as teached, like or not, he spoke 30 minutes about History, their history, East countries history. Do we know anything of that? Do we ever know their version of modern History?
Monday a nazi Professor from High School came to my kid classroom (13yrs old primary) to make a lesson on modern history. Do you know what he spoke about? Can u guess those nazifascist of my Government has planned? Don't think so, you'll never immagine:
he came to speak ONLY about Soviet Russia, persecution to jews or dissidents, gulags and all of that nazi propaganda produced and packed by those of the most nazi country ever: USA.
What a timing, what a coincidence, Russia is winning in Ukraine, US senate are tired to spend tax payers money as many eu citizens are, and now even a clamorous nice interview to Putin that depicted Russia as better than all of us in the so called West... So, let's indoctrinate our kids against Russia, the RED danger, the communists, immediately! WOW!
The truth, for me, is that USA is not a in the West, but in Far West. They are still there hundreds years after with that brutal, violent, mentality of the Far West: kill all of the native, guns are my bible! They keep spreading wars, coups, violence, hate, as at those times, that's why for them serving in the Armies, is a job like another, kill other people is a job, kill kids or rape women is a job, like now in Gaza, or destroy native's properties is a job (Iraq and Afghanistan).
Until Usa is like it has been since the creation of United Criminals of America, there will be no peace in this world, so may be it's time to stop them once for all, for the good or for the bad!
"Orban should have presented the EU’s unacceptable, coercive plan of economic warfare against the Hungarian people and their livelihoods before the UN."
The UN would only listen to Orban if he went into the tanning booth and converted to Islam.
Phew! Another gem found, thanks. Yes, what a hotel hey? You can checkout anytime you want but you can never leave..........................over the years that sentence stuck with me.
I'm looking forward to your just ordered book, I've been researching cancer, as an amateur, my whole life as that seemed more like a sword of damocles hanging over my head, kind regards.
When you look into the family trees, it gets worse...
" You can check out anytime you want, you just cannot leave."
" ....you cannot kill the beast. "
Then there was Brexit.
Ah yes, the unelected bureaucrats. As in the US government as well. Congress is a sterile appendage of a corrupted Republic.
I opine the EU will collapse on itself. Europe has never been able to take care of it's own affairs. Two World Wars and a third brewing now. It is reaching a boiling point. Oh yes, the Minsk Agreement, Angela Merkle. We never intended to honor it. Rather we lied to buy some time.
Well there you go NATO and the EU. It is the same beast.
It will kill itself with a third World War. If that doesn't do it the welcomed Muslim invasion will.
Russia was an ally in I and II. Remember?
Probably not. Germany is the dark face in the woodpile.
I would posit that you add the US to the NATO/EU beast conglomerate, ruled by allied bureaucrats. The western nations have very little left, overrun with needy migrants, weakened by poisoned injections and food, all by design and decades in the making. Russia was an ally of the US in long ago times.
"...who have ordered our education from the books that falsified our revolution..." From the imbedded video of Orbán's 1989 speech.
History falsified? Then published? Then taught as truth? Nah. Can't be...
Everything needs a question mark. Everything. Even the "history" that "everybody knows." Yes...even 𝒕𝒉𝒂𝒕 piece of history, boys and girls, that questioning can get one jailed for in some gulags posing as countries.
P.S. I'm half Hungarian. A photo taken of my paternal grandparents and my father's eldest sister before they left for "America" hangs in the Ellis Island Museum.
Any state in the EU that wants to work on behalf of it's citizens is an outlaw state. When they gave up their currencies they accepted the mien of "vassal state", to be derided by labels such as PIGS (Portugal, Italy,Greece, Spain) which I would say were the countries with the most humane policies as opposed to ice cold " liberalism"
I would agree with everything in Manorborn's posted segment though I would describe the current position, and even more so, the momentum, of the EU resembles the USSR even more than "of ruling class elites who’re indistinguishable in character and ambitions from the feudal leaders of Europe’s bloodstained past."
I have regarded for several years as my general understanding has increased, that Abraham Lincoln was the absolute worst president of any in US history, to be followed by runners up Woodrow Wilson and then FDR. He converted the Constitution into an instrument of oppression for the sovereign states under the Articles of Confederation and the Constitution for the first 70 odd years. The states refused to ratify the proposed Constitution until the first 10 amendments were included into it, and particularly the tenth, which essentially reads that any power to the federal government not specifically given in the preceding Constitution shall remain relegated to the states. This has been reversed and supported by the "Supreme Court" to state that federal laws, regulations, and "executive orders," without exception overrule state statues. The Bill of Rights was quite explicit that it restricted the powers of the new federation and not to be implied, the powers of the states. In addition to turning the once sovereign states into vassals, Lincoln got more fighting age men slaughtered in the War of Southern Secession than in all other wars of the USA combined, which has been involved in continuous wars than not since its founding. I have described that war as a contested and violent divorce proceeding in which the Confederate states had every legal and moral right to leave the Federation.
To those who might raise the slavery question, I would ask why did the Underground Railroad end in Canada rather than say in Ohio. And I would answer that to the best of my knowledge, every state in the North had laws on its books that captured, runaway slaves had to be returned to the South. So much for the bullshit argument that War was about the moral question of slavery, which was just a fig leaf to hide the real reason, the domination of the industrializing North over the still agricultural South. Furthermore, slavery was on the way out globally because industrial, de facto slavery was more profitable than traditional slavery and not, in reality, based on the moral question. Even Perfidious Albion had outlawed slavery decades earlier and Russia, under the Tsar in the 1860's, had ended serfdom.
Great comment. I'd probably put WIlson ahead of Lincoln but that's just splitting hairs.
Superb comment. Thank you.
Unfortunately, the Hungarian PM seems to have caved in.
So Orban has caved to the EU. Pity. I think the people of Hungary would fight to the last if given the choice, no? Wonder what the people of Europe would do if they witnessed a country, Hungary, wiped out because they would not give in and become part of the blob.
It is about Realpolitik. Orban has failed to follow through by not building up the army; Hungary´s is minuscule, thus of little consequence. He has now had two years in which to do so, and the time has been wasted. He could have loudly "bolstered our contribution to NATO," and then work toward an R2P maneuver for the benefit of the persecuted Hungarian minority in the Ukraruine. This would have given him the chance of establishing a land bridge to Russia, and breaking the stranglehold. Yet Orban seems to be a man of half-measures.
Celia, I'm really liking what you are writing. Thank you for all that you do. Stay safe Sister.
At least the USSR had an excuse - change of social/economic relations from Czar to people, hugely violent war, fear of the Axis partners after the war - as things look now they were correct. The European nations would not seem to have an excuse. One looks on from afar and thinks how stupid and servile and self defeating can they possibly be? And then it gets worse. If only the US had used its might for the benefit of all rather than the few. Always had to have enemies. Mostly made up ones.
As a European living in Portugal, I prefer to be here than in Russia, or Hungary, or Poland (and that's not because their climates are cold and rough). The reality of the EU lording it over European countries is that a significant proportion of the laws imposed are 'diluted' to suit local cultural preferences and conditions.
only diluted until the full gamut of control mechanisms are in place
Fair point, but some historians are predicting the break-up of the EU, in which case Europewide unelected centralised top-down power might not prevail. Then again, Brexit seems to show that opting out is no guarantee of 'taking back control' of one's sovereignty either; you just get national robber-barons in charge instead. Given the routing of Greece some years back, it's the banking system (IMF, ECB) that seem to call the shots more than the eurocrats.
and Javier Milei is being feted for proposing taking power from elected and unelected posts, and giving it to private business, the 'free' market. A breakup can't happen too soon. They better get working before they turn the migrants into a standing army and release them on the people. 'they' occupy both faces of the same coin. Like the US where both parties are owned by the same corporate lobbyists. The big banks are the largest donors to both parties. The EU admin is owned by the same group.
One of my great aunts was a "British Israelite" (believing the Brits and northern Europeans were direct descendents of the ten lost tribes of Israel). She was 100% against joining the "Common Market" (as was called then) in 1973. She viewed it as the thin end of the wedge of a takeover (I think, I was only a teenager at the time).
There are many who believe the same thing. I have an obscure little book about the Norse runes being readable as paleo-Hebrew. If you don't know what the Declaration of Arbroath is, look it up. Y gene tracing has evidence on this assertion. And of course, there is the historic evidence at the Rozabal tomb. "I have other sheep, who are not of this fold".
Hmmm, intriguing. The Declaration of Arbroath rings a faint bell (I'm part Scottish, maybe that's why) -- I'll check it out thank you. Rozabal tomb ... not heard of it; will check that out too. Best regards, Josh.
I'm european, but sry I can't see any of that here... just take Covid times, non difference with Nazi State. Take the Digital Act (btw from which year in europe we use the term "Act" to name a law as those criminals from US government does?).
Just read what an idiot of EU Commission Foreign Office said after Carlson/Putin interview: he threatened Carlson to consequences by that nazi Act...
And finally you haven't read the interview to another nazi from europe called Stoltenberg, head of Nato, that want to send F.16 fighters bombers to Ukraine to attack places inside Russia...
And then UK and Germany want Assange in jail or dead in USA?
Sorry but this not my country and even less my continent! My grandparents were occupied by fascist and nazi during the WWII, I'll not permit the same to my family!
Hungary still has its own currency, as do a few other EU countries, hence extricating itself from the EU would not necessarily be an insurmountable challenge. Those countries on the other hand which are in the eurozone face are essentially trapped. Leaving the euro would be a hellish endeavor.
And the EU ruling class "stab it with their steely knives, but they just can't kill the beast" (Russia, Slovakia, Serbia, and Hungary).
I'm from EU, or from a country of EU.
You absolutely painted it right, but the real problem, not only in EU, are not politicians, or Elite. As in history citizens can cut their heads with the guillotine or other spectacular systems. But they will not, in a close future.
To make it short, we have a problem of communications, of discussions, to debate our history, how we came to this point and why and how to exit. No one does it anymore. Younger ones don't even know what debating means... And younger it means europeans under the age of 50...
As Putin as teached, like or not, he spoke 30 minutes about History, their history, East countries history. Do we know anything of that? Do we ever know their version of modern History?
Monday a nazi Professor from High School came to my kid classroom (13yrs old primary) to make a lesson on modern history. Do you know what he spoke about? Can u guess those nazifascist of my Government has planned? Don't think so, you'll never immagine:
he came to speak ONLY about Soviet Russia, persecution to jews or dissidents, gulags and all of that nazi propaganda produced and packed by those of the most nazi country ever: USA.
What a timing, what a coincidence, Russia is winning in Ukraine, US senate are tired to spend tax payers money as many eu citizens are, and now even a clamorous nice interview to Putin that depicted Russia as better than all of us in the so called West... So, let's indoctrinate our kids against Russia, the RED danger, the communists, immediately! WOW!
The truth, for me, is that USA is not a in the West, but in Far West. They are still there hundreds years after with that brutal, violent, mentality of the Far West: kill all of the native, guns are my bible! They keep spreading wars, coups, violence, hate, as at those times, that's why for them serving in the Armies, is a job like another, kill other people is a job, kill kids or rape women is a job, like now in Gaza, or destroy native's properties is a job (Iraq and Afghanistan).
Until Usa is like it has been since the creation of United Criminals of America, there will be no peace in this world, so may be it's time to stop them once for all, for the good or for the bad!
I read that they threatened to remove Hungary's vote in the EU.
"Orban should have presented the EU’s unacceptable, coercive plan of economic warfare against the Hungarian people and their livelihoods before the UN."
The UN would only listen to Orban if he went into the tanning booth and converted to Islam.
Phew! Another gem found, thanks. Yes, what a hotel hey? You can checkout anytime you want but you can never leave..........................over the years that sentence stuck with me.
I'm looking forward to your just ordered book, I've been researching cancer, as an amateur, my whole life as that seemed more like a sword of damocles hanging over my head, kind regards.
A most effervescent collection of rotting turds. It is the nature of Europe to always be in conflict with itself. Even the elected are no better.