Qui Bono? I always ask myself two things: Why now? And Who benefits? So in that light, I’m always seeking the “never let a crisis go to waste” theory of skepticism: What crisis are they trying to distract me from with this story? They ALWAYS have an angle; what angle is it this time, do you think?
I simply cannot believe that I was an anti war apolitical artist my entire lifetime. All I knew was I HATED wars. Any wars, including artists fighting against one another. I didn’t know anything about this history because I chose not to. It was too painful, I guess it was my survival instinct that took over. But since 2019 I just couldn’t ignore it anymore. 🙏🏻 I’m learning fast now Celia.
Will they ever admit to the sabotaging of Carter's rescue attempt, Operation Eagle Claw? The "ill-fated military operation to rescue the 66 American hostages held in Tehran ended with eight U.S. servicemen dead and no hostages rescued".
I remember that time vividly as Reagan was the first person I ever voted for. However what's missing is the context of what else happened under Carter that the country could no longer endure: gas lines and rationing, a weak economy, the sense the U.S. was weak from years of war, Watergate fatigue and then Iran hostage. We were tired of losing...propaganda or otherwise. Carter was indeed weak by virtue of his entire persona. He was elected in '76 because he wasnt a Republican (and for good reason) but otherwise was not a charismatic leader. Reagan on the otherhand exuded optimism and purpose, contrived or otherwise legit.
I personally believe Reagan would have been elected without the October Surprise. Considering they tried to assassinate Reagan two months into office I have to wonder if he knew of the subterfuge before the election. Guaranteed GWHB did.
I cant get remotely excited about The NYT's acknowledging what many Americans knew to be true for a long time. It's a non-issue.
Had the NYT's propaganda rag sheet done a piece on how the U.S. through the CIA, which substantially controls the NYT's, removed Dr. Mohammad Mossadegh to install the Shah, then installed radical Islamic clerics for the Zionist terrorist state of Israel which had attacked the USS Liberty then I'd get somewhat enthused that somewhere in the halls of evil power something small had shifted.
This is, however, a non-issue deserving of a paragraph or two by the NYT's.
And I guess the NYT will come clean in 50+ years regarding Biden’s promises and long time involvement in Ukraine. Some day will NYT explain hidden agendas? Like blasting out of Afghanistan ASAP upon Joe’s questionable election and then turning around and launching us into the Ukrainian imbroglio.
All the while Uncle JRB was counting on another conspiracy called CoV-19 to distract us all. Hello NYT’s. Anyone home?
Maybe next they will admit that masks make us look stupid but not as badly stupid as we really are supposed to be.
I still have to wear one for my job though the folks I interact with often or mostly do not. But I am glad to have a job, any job at all, praise the Lord
Celia, I guess I don't quite understand the excitement over Mark's post. Do you see it as THE wake-up call for those who believe all that is fed to them by the mainstream, or do you see the NYT article as being that?
There were two full-length books published back in 1989 and in 1991, both called "October Surprise" that go into detail about this. The first was written by Barbara Honegger, who worked on the Reagan election campaign team and also worked in the White House until 1983 (forgive me, but details here from Wikipedia: "Barbara Honegger was a 1980 Reagan-Bush campaign staffer and later a Reagan White House policy analyst.[47][48] Since 1995, she's been Senior Military Affairs Journalist at the Naval Postgraduate School.[49][better source needed] After the 1980 election, she headed the U.S. Attorney General's Gender Discrimination Agency Review under the presidency of Ronald Reagan, before resigning from her post in 1983.[50] While working for Reagan, she claims to have discovered information that made her believe that George H. W. Bush and William Casey had conspired to assure that Iran would not free the U.S. hostages until Jimmy Carter had been defeated in the 1980 presidential election, and she alleges that arms sales to Iran were a part of that bargain.[10] In 1987, in the context of the Iran-Contra investigations, Honegger was reported as saying that shortly after October 22, 1980, when Iran abruptly changed the terms of its deal with Carter, a member of the Reagan campaign told her "We don't have to worry about an 'October surprise.' Dick cut a deal," with "Dick" referring to Richard V. Allen.[51]" ). Honegger has more recently done excellent, extensive work to expose the hidden facts about the supposed plane-into-Pentagon event on 9/11/2001 (do you know that there is a person employed at the Pentagon who narrowly survived the bombing there and said they smelled cordite (explosives) not jet fuel; also the clocks were stopped BEFORE the alleged airplane crash. And much more. I don't know why Ms. Honegger hasn't written a book about it, but she did tour the country with slides and a long excellent presentation. Probably available on Rumble or somewhere.)
The other "October Surprise" book was published in 1991, written by Gary Sick. Sick is also a government insider, like Honegger (again, forgive me, but here is Wikipedia again: "Sick's credibility was boosted by the fact that he was a retired naval captain, served on Ford's, Carter's, and Reagan's National Security Council, and held high positions with many prominent organizations; moreover, he had authored a book recently on US-Iran relations (All Fall Down). Sick wrote that in October 1980, officials in Ronald Reagan's presidential campaign, including future CIA Director William Casey, made a secret deal with Iran to delay the release of the American hostages until after the election; in return for this, the United States purportedly arranged for Israel to ship weapons to Iran.
Sick admitted that "The story is tangled and murky, and it may never be fully unraveled." He was unable to prove his claims, including that, in the days before the presidential election with daily press pools surrounding him and a public travel schedule, vice presidential candidate George H. W. Bush secretly left the country and met with Iranian officials in France to discuss the fate of the hostages.[34] " )
I haven't read them, but I have browsed them. Honegger's book is getting rare; currently I see it on Amazon for over $90. Sick's book is still reasonably priced, but could spike up soon. They may be available somewhere in electronic format, but not on Amazon.
Strange how these books are never referenced in the NY Times article nor in the comments here. The mere fact that two book s were written back then (there are others more recently also), by persons employed under Reagan (Honegger resigned her post in 1983 over this or some other ethical stand, can't quite recall) makes the whole thing sound a good deal more solid even back then than it sounds if the reference to the books is elided, as it has been. This is NOT new information; detailed information, by credible witnesses, making this case was available more than three decades ago. That the media did not follow up but instead derided the question as "conspiracy theory," and even now make no mention of Ms. Honegger's experience is the real story.
I see no evidence, or even speculation, that Carter had a deal with Iran for the hostages release to scuttle. I always thought the release on Inauguration Day was the Iranians figuring they didn’t want to deal with unknown of how Reagan would pursue the issue.
this is nothing new, been known a long time. Not the biggest news of 2023. Now if you know Carter's mom worked for Joe Kennedy, then we're going down the warren.
Re "October Surprise" tactics: It amazes me still that adult voters wouldn't suspect these sorts of dirty tactics in the realm of Politics. The MIC is a formidable money laundering agent and should never be underestimated. After Reagan was elected, we had the Ollie North/CIA guns for drugs scandal as many who are of an older generation will recall. Then we had the 'Christic Institute' whistleblower story to consider--and the reveal re Iran/Contra drug trafficking tale. Politics is a dirty business in case anyone has forgotten. Here's a good place to start if interested: https://www.christicinstitute.org/iran-contra/
The only way psyops/brain wash/mind control works is if the victim is stupid enough to believe the propaganda! Why do you think they put fluoride in the water? Hint it's not for healthy teeth! Fluoride is a neurotoxin, what that means is it causes irreversible brain damage/lobotomy! If anyone is still drinking municipal water, it's already too late! If you want to control the population, put fluoride in their food and water, and you have a population of brain dead idiots that will believe anything! 🙏😇
Qui Bono? I always ask myself two things: Why now? And Who benefits? So in that light, I’m always seeking the “never let a crisis go to waste” theory of skepticism: What crisis are they trying to distract me from with this story? They ALWAYS have an angle; what angle is it this time, do you think?
I simply cannot believe that I was an anti war apolitical artist my entire lifetime. All I knew was I HATED wars. Any wars, including artists fighting against one another. I didn’t know anything about this history because I chose not to. It was too painful, I guess it was my survival instinct that took over. But since 2019 I just couldn’t ignore it anymore. 🙏🏻 I’m learning fast now Celia.
Will they ever admit to the sabotaging of Carter's rescue attempt, Operation Eagle Claw? The "ill-fated military operation to rescue the 66 American hostages held in Tehran ended with eight U.S. servicemen dead and no hostages rescued".
This is a good interview: The October Surprise with Barbara Honegger: https://midnightwriternews.com/mwn-episode-106-the-october-surprise-with-barbara-honegger/
Bravo, Celia! Well done!
I remember that time vividly as Reagan was the first person I ever voted for. However what's missing is the context of what else happened under Carter that the country could no longer endure: gas lines and rationing, a weak economy, the sense the U.S. was weak from years of war, Watergate fatigue and then Iran hostage. We were tired of losing...propaganda or otherwise. Carter was indeed weak by virtue of his entire persona. He was elected in '76 because he wasnt a Republican (and for good reason) but otherwise was not a charismatic leader. Reagan on the otherhand exuded optimism and purpose, contrived or otherwise legit.
I personally believe Reagan would have been elected without the October Surprise. Considering they tried to assassinate Reagan two months into office I have to wonder if he knew of the subterfuge before the election. Guaranteed GWHB did.
was there ever an honest election in US history?
I cant get remotely excited about The NYT's acknowledging what many Americans knew to be true for a long time. It's a non-issue.
Had the NYT's propaganda rag sheet done a piece on how the U.S. through the CIA, which substantially controls the NYT's, removed Dr. Mohammad Mossadegh to install the Shah, then installed radical Islamic clerics for the Zionist terrorist state of Israel which had attacked the USS Liberty then I'd get somewhat enthused that somewhere in the halls of evil power something small had shifted.
This is, however, a non-issue deserving of a paragraph or two by the NYT's.
And I guess the NYT will come clean in 50+ years regarding Biden’s promises and long time involvement in Ukraine. Some day will NYT explain hidden agendas? Like blasting out of Afghanistan ASAP upon Joe’s questionable election and then turning around and launching us into the Ukrainian imbroglio.
All the while Uncle JRB was counting on another conspiracy called CoV-19 to distract us all. Hello NYT’s. Anyone home?
Maybe next they will admit that masks make us look stupid but not as badly stupid as we really are supposed to be.
I still have to wear one for my job though the folks I interact with often or mostly do not. But I am glad to have a job, any job at all, praise the Lord
Celia, I guess I don't quite understand the excitement over Mark's post. Do you see it as THE wake-up call for those who believe all that is fed to them by the mainstream, or do you see the NYT article as being that?
There were two full-length books published back in 1989 and in 1991, both called "October Surprise" that go into detail about this. The first was written by Barbara Honegger, who worked on the Reagan election campaign team and also worked in the White House until 1983 (forgive me, but details here from Wikipedia: "Barbara Honegger was a 1980 Reagan-Bush campaign staffer and later a Reagan White House policy analyst.[47][48] Since 1995, she's been Senior Military Affairs Journalist at the Naval Postgraduate School.[49][better source needed] After the 1980 election, she headed the U.S. Attorney General's Gender Discrimination Agency Review under the presidency of Ronald Reagan, before resigning from her post in 1983.[50] While working for Reagan, she claims to have discovered information that made her believe that George H. W. Bush and William Casey had conspired to assure that Iran would not free the U.S. hostages until Jimmy Carter had been defeated in the 1980 presidential election, and she alleges that arms sales to Iran were a part of that bargain.[10] In 1987, in the context of the Iran-Contra investigations, Honegger was reported as saying that shortly after October 22, 1980, when Iran abruptly changed the terms of its deal with Carter, a member of the Reagan campaign told her "We don't have to worry about an 'October surprise.' Dick cut a deal," with "Dick" referring to Richard V. Allen.[51]" ). Honegger has more recently done excellent, extensive work to expose the hidden facts about the supposed plane-into-Pentagon event on 9/11/2001 (do you know that there is a person employed at the Pentagon who narrowly survived the bombing there and said they smelled cordite (explosives) not jet fuel; also the clocks were stopped BEFORE the alleged airplane crash. And much more. I don't know why Ms. Honegger hasn't written a book about it, but she did tour the country with slides and a long excellent presentation. Probably available on Rumble or somewhere.)
The other "October Surprise" book was published in 1991, written by Gary Sick. Sick is also a government insider, like Honegger (again, forgive me, but here is Wikipedia again: "Sick's credibility was boosted by the fact that he was a retired naval captain, served on Ford's, Carter's, and Reagan's National Security Council, and held high positions with many prominent organizations; moreover, he had authored a book recently on US-Iran relations (All Fall Down). Sick wrote that in October 1980, officials in Ronald Reagan's presidential campaign, including future CIA Director William Casey, made a secret deal with Iran to delay the release of the American hostages until after the election; in return for this, the United States purportedly arranged for Israel to ship weapons to Iran.
Sick admitted that "The story is tangled and murky, and it may never be fully unraveled." He was unable to prove his claims, including that, in the days before the presidential election with daily press pools surrounding him and a public travel schedule, vice presidential candidate George H. W. Bush secretly left the country and met with Iranian officials in France to discuss the fate of the hostages.[34] " )
I haven't read them, but I have browsed them. Honegger's book is getting rare; currently I see it on Amazon for over $90. Sick's book is still reasonably priced, but could spike up soon. They may be available somewhere in electronic format, but not on Amazon.
Strange how these books are never referenced in the NY Times article nor in the comments here. The mere fact that two book s were written back then (there are others more recently also), by persons employed under Reagan (Honegger resigned her post in 1983 over this or some other ethical stand, can't quite recall) makes the whole thing sound a good deal more solid even back then than it sounds if the reference to the books is elided, as it has been. This is NOT new information; detailed information, by credible witnesses, making this case was available more than three decades ago. That the media did not follow up but instead derided the question as "conspiracy theory," and even now make no mention of Ms. Honegger's experience is the real story.
I see no evidence, or even speculation, that Carter had a deal with Iran for the hostages release to scuttle. I always thought the release on Inauguration Day was the Iranians figuring they didn’t want to deal with unknown of how Reagan would pursue the issue.
this is nothing new, been known a long time. Not the biggest news of 2023. Now if you know Carter's mom worked for Joe Kennedy, then we're going down the warren.
Re "October Surprise" tactics: It amazes me still that adult voters wouldn't suspect these sorts of dirty tactics in the realm of Politics. The MIC is a formidable money laundering agent and should never be underestimated. After Reagan was elected, we had the Ollie North/CIA guns for drugs scandal as many who are of an older generation will recall. Then we had the 'Christic Institute' whistleblower story to consider--and the reveal re Iran/Contra drug trafficking tale. Politics is a dirty business in case anyone has forgotten. Here's a good place to start if interested: https://www.christicinstitute.org/iran-contra/
The only way psyops/brain wash/mind control works is if the victim is stupid enough to believe the propaganda! Why do you think they put fluoride in the water? Hint it's not for healthy teeth! Fluoride is a neurotoxin, what that means is it causes irreversible brain damage/lobotomy! If anyone is still drinking municipal water, it's already too late! If you want to control the population, put fluoride in their food and water, and you have a population of brain dead idiots that will believe anything! 🙏😇
This was sent to me. Have you see it ? https://bidenlaptopreport.marcopolousa.org/