But “emergency” doesn’t even begin to describe what happens. Sometime near midnight, while traveling at what would prove to be an unsafe speed, the ship grazes an iceberg on its starboard side. The terrible extent of the damage soon becomes clear, and anyone unlucky enough to be on board might hear the “bee-like buzzing of nearly three thousand human voices, raised in agonized screams and callings from within the inclosing walls” of the doomed ship. Since the craft has been described as indestructible, it carries “as few [life]boats as would satisfy the laws.” It’s one of the deadliest disasters in maritime history.
Perhaps the most surprising thing about this grim episode, though, is that it has nothing to do with the R.M.S. Titanic. The scene above is taken from a novel known as Futility: or, the Wreck of the Titan, written by Morgan Robertson and first published in 1898—14 years before the sinking of the Titanic, and 11 years before construction began on the White Star Line’s now-infamous ship.
Yes, Morgan Robertson's book plays into this. Futility: or, the Wreck of the Titan, describes what WOULD have happened had the Titanic wandered into the ice floe as planned. But instead it hit a "lone ice berg" to the east. The Californian was waiting and went dark there as a death escort to rescue any survivors in the morning hours. Hitting the iceberg may have actually saved lives. What happened was not the "plan" The bottom plates of the Titanic were already wired to be BLOWN OUT at about 2:20 am AFTER the Titanic was emerged in the ice floe. Instead the Titanic remained upright and about 700 passengers were able to get off. Then at about 2:30 am the explosives blew the bottom plates out (as planned) and Titanic split apart and went down in two large bow and stern sections.
The novel implanted in a curiously Fortrean fashion a catastrophe which did sink the unsinkable Old World Order that was "Titanic" in all respects. Paul Valery speaks of this sentiment in 1919.
We later civilizations . . . we too know that we are mortal.
We had long heard tell of whole worlds that had vanished, of empires sunk without a trace, gone down with all their men and all their machines into the unexplorable depths of the centuries, with their gods and their laws, their academies and their sciences pure and applied, their grammars and their dictionaries, their Classics, their Romantics, and their Symbolists, their critics and the critics of their critics. . . . We were aware that the visible earth is made of ashes, and that ashes signify something. Through the obscure depths of history we could make out the phantoms of great ships laden with riches and intellect; we could not count them. But the disasters that had sent them down were, after all, none of our affair.
Elam, Ninevah, Babylon were but beautiful vague names, and the total ruin of those worlds had as little significance for us as their very existence. But France, England, Russia...these too would be beautiful names. Lusitania too, is a beautiful name. And we see now that the abyss of history is deep enough to hold us all. We are aware that a civilization has the same fragility as a life. The circumstances that could send the works of Keats and Baudelaire to join the works of Menander are no longer inconceivable; they are in the newspapers. That is not all. The searing lesson is more complete still. It was not enough for our generation to learn from its own experience how the most beautiful things and the most ancient, the most formidable and the best ordered, can perish by accident; in the realm of thought, feeling, and common sense, we witnessed extraordinary phenomena: paradox suddenly become fact, and obvious fact brutally believed.
As the video stated, there were no less than 8 warnings of the ice floe extending about 70 miles down the path to about 39 degrees latitude. Even though this was 1912, the wireless Marconi operators knew this huge ice floe was there, and they would have served warning to all ships and the Titanic even before leaving South Hampton. These ice floes were very common in warmer spring weather, and E.J. Smith had 25 years of experience with this kind of problem.
The Titanic actually did make a course correction in response to one of the warnings, but it wasn't headed south enough. The "dinner time" warning from the Californian about 6:30 never reached the Wheelhouse or 2nd Mate Lightoller (according to his own words you can hear on YouTube). All Titanic had to do was turn slightly more to the south and they would have missed entire brick wall of ice floe ahead, and the lone iceberg. It would have taken about 90 minutes more time for the delay and arrival in NYC.
According to Encyclopedia Britannica, although the idea was experimented with in the 1880s, serious radar development didn't begin until the 1930s. They used " look outs" (a young sailor climbed a elevated pole or position). Or got word of storms or obstacles by telegraph from other ships nearby.
I hate to write this but the Zionist Jewish bankers Rothschilds Rockefellers etc are the head of the snake. Cut the head off and the body weiggles and dies. No more Soros, Gates or mother WEFers.
Who is embedded in Ukraine? Nazis? Kazarian jews? Or is this all a plan of the WEFers to launder money and make money from the military complex?
The world is so confusing right now. The only safe place is to stand with the Truth. God is life, God is Truth and God is love. Love will overcome the fear.
All roads lead to Rome, the center of the Babylonian Mystery Religion and the worldwide system of control referred in the Bible as Mystery Babylon the Great
This clip has always been a big red flag about Reagan. Planting that One World Government seed via alien invasion. There's clips of Bush1, Clinton, Bush2, and Obama promoting the same idea, too.
Reagan was well briefed on the UFO file and worked with the Russians, as did JFK, the ONLY 2 U.S. presidents to seriously negotiate nuclear disarmament with Russia. He was by no means planting seeds for a one world government. He was also forced to take Nazis narco terrorist GHW Bush, a closet case, as his VP as was JFK forced to take criminal, racist flth LBJ as his.
That brings up something I was pondering recently, as I find out everything is worth questioning. Remembered after Reagan was shot, Alexander Haig took to the podium and more or less took control, before Bush showed up. First, I wonder why Reagan was shot ("they" don't miss if they want a dead politician), and second, what Haig was doing. I've never heard it discussed or read anything covering the behind the scenes of that incident. Just more pf the dirty business I'm sure.
Shooters, even we'll trained ones, miss often. Ever see well trained cops pratice at a shooting range? SS Agent Tim McCarthy prevented child sexual abuser Nazis narco terrorist GHW Bush's buddy's MKUltra "trained" assassin from killing Reagan. Haig was a Henry Kissinger stooge who simply communicated to the narco terrorist banker world that the sexually deviant socio-psychopaths had wrested from Reagan the control they needed to run Iran Contra & all the other Fourth Reich Fascist International Zio sexual deviancy, murder, etc. that closet case Heins Kissinger & his ilk had planned.
That's sheer idiocy. I worked with some of Richard M. Daley's people who know SS Agent Tim McCarthy, and I worked on Tim's friend's run for Illinois State Treasurer. Tim took a bullet for Reagan. He saved Reagan's life.
The Rothschilds are Vatican bankers according to the Jewish Encyclopedia. Hop Juden or court Jews. Money launderers of the Vatican and the Jesuits who actually control the world banking systems. Convenient scapegoats for the Jesuits.
Modern day Jewry is not the biblical Israelites. This is a impersonation. Khazarian descent is what they are. There is no such thing as a catholic, jew or muslim. These are all titles created to categorize for divide and conquer purposes. The world is a vampire and this ohio derailment was an act of war just like the covid jab. We are under attack by those who wish to exterminate us. The US government is a satanic creation by masons who are all related by blood as I share in my substack. psyop4awareness
Khazarian descent of modern Jews Its a Lie. It was disproved by Russian archeologists and historians a VERY long time ago, when Russian writer Gumilev was pushing within liberal "intellectual circles" I have enough materials in my posts o see the truth for those who have eyes to see Even Palestinian leaders stopped repeating this nonsense, but western alt movement still runs with it.
If you believe that a certain ethnic group of people is responsible for all the world problems, you are believing a Lie authored by the Babylonian order of Jesuits and spread all over alt media realm to be believed and acted upon by the ignorant people. Happened before, Nazis is a good example, same lie different day.
The idea of the Khazarian Jew first came from a French-born Philosopher named Joseph Ernest Renan. Research the rest of you want, or keep believing lies.
Freemasons are the followers of the Babylonian Mystery Religion.
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. - Ephesians 6:12
Ultimately my main thought is that modern day jewry are not of the biblical israelites which is what we are expected to believe. The greatest impersonation ever.
With all due respect, your thoughts are based on "Khazarian Mafia" fables.
You can continue believing a lie or you can do some research.
Khazar Khaganate
Russian Open Archeology website: "There is no question of any syncretism either with Islam, or with Judaism or Christianity, since none of the above religions influenced the religious and mythological belief system in the Khazar Khaganate
The evidence it was Olympic is extremely compelling, John Hamer has done incredible work researching this. The fact that there was an almost identical sister ship that was launched a year earlier exposes all the after the fact propaganda we were fed about Titanic's splendour, uniqueness and unsinkabilty etc. Virtually no one I ask knows that there was an identical ship launched a year earlier and they definitely don't know it was an insurance write off after a collision
For so many years there has been this fascination about that fateful ship. One of the very first songs I learned at day camp was about the Titanic when I was 6 years old. It feels like we've all been groomed into distraction by these myths of glamor and tragedy all rolled up into the biggest blockbuster movie Hollywood ever made. Leonardo DiCaprio is at the centerpiece of so much of the propaganda - He played J Edgar Hoover, Howard Hughes, Jordan Belfert just to name a few; and was also very involved in that climate disaster flick a year ago. Tom Hanks is also prominent in many of them. Makes you question just about everything that's been fed to us by the mockingbirds who are masters of deceit and foul play.
Yes. And Cameron is deeply involved with the "secret cabals" as well. I think he knows what really happened to the Titanic. The ship was wired with explosives that blew out two huge plates of the hull at the surface (which Cameron says started the "break up") The plan was to run the Titanic into the huge ice flow ahead and blow out the bottom at about 2:20 am in the morning. But they hit the "lone Iceberg" first and stopped. Yet the timing on the explosives went off on time anyway. These huge plates are still there lying about 3/4 of a mile from the wreckage, where they separated..That is were you will find the "smoking gun." and proof of mass murder.
Being from Northern Ireland and having visited the much lauded Titanic Museum a few years ago, there is absolutely nothing listed, mentioned or otherwise spoken about possible sabotage. The history books stick to the same storyline, i.e. Capt Smith was incompetent (and he was as he had had a few near misses in his time), and his zeal to beat the Atlantic crossing record etc. Always seemed way too simple to me, but now I understand who has run the show, and continues to run the show, and that nothing happens by chance. All part of Ze Plan!!!
I am sad to say I found this surprising and disappointing. It (along with some comments) paints with a broad brush. And while Malachi Martin’s book The Jesuits is revelatory, especially about influential Jesuit theologians and the lamentable, runaway liberation theology, it does not condemn the entire order. Faithful Catholics know solid Jesuits, but, alas, there are those who have gone off the rails like Fr. James Martin - and more. There are a lot of wide-ranging allegations in the video clip that was included (and combox comments) but, frankly, they do seem to be short on proof.
Take a look at who runs the EU Central Bank, Christine Lagarde, whose mother was Jewish yet her father had other ideologies. But she was brought up and trained by many of the royal Catholic elite. There there is Fauci, who used to boast about his Jesuit education. Stalin was trained to be a Jesuit priest, but found "other work" top do. Hitler also was noticed as a natural leader by his priests in early years and considered becoming a priest. But he also found "other work" to do. Hitler boasted that in Himmler the SS was fashioned after Loyola's Jesuits, and many of the SS agents were Jesuit trained including Himmler's uncle as a commander. After the war the Jesuits smuggled 25,000 plus SS men out of Europe, and even to the USA.
But the point is that the "new world order" of the Illuminati that Weishaupt created engulfed many different cabals and occult organizations. Free Masons, Jesuits, Theosophy and even Jacob Frank who brought in the Rothschild family.
A century after Sabbati Zevi's death in 1676, his Kabbalist successor, Jacob Frank, expanded upon and continued his occult philosophy. Jacob Frank would eventually enter into an alliance formed by Adam Weishaupt and Meyer Amshel Rothschild called the Order of the Illuminati. The objectives of this organization was to undermine the world's religions and power structures, in an effort to usher in a utopian era of global communism, which they would covertly rule by their hidden hand: the New World Order.
Excellent info. I always try to point out the Sabbatean cult's influence and power among the Jewish banking elite, though they are in reality not Jews by any identification with the law and biblical morality. In fact, the Sabbatean's actually use and kill Jews constantly, and you can see them operating behind the scenes in with people like Soros, Peres, Madoff and many others.
Yes. Good points. If you have had a chance to read any of the books by the late Barry Chamish, he goes into great detail about the Sabbatens Labor party and Peres (who was raised and trained by the Jesuits as well) who was behind the murder of Rabin.
Stalin was not trained to be a Jesuit. He was educated in an Orthodox seminary, not a Catholic one. There's profound historical enmity between the Jesuits and the Orthodox. See the history of the Uniates, which is directly relevant to what is happening in Ukraine, today.
Yeah. Nice anti-Catholic polemics, there. With no citations. Because it's utter nonsense. Stalin went to an Orthodox seminary, not a Catholic, much less Jesuit, one. I know that these distinctions are probably meaningless to an anti Catholic bigot like you. Still, these are the facts:
Tbilisi Theological Seminary (Georgian: თბილისის სასულიერო სემინარია; Russian: Тбили́сская духо́вная семина́рия) is a spiritual training institution, which operated from 1817 to 1919 in the Georgian Exarchate of the Russian Orthodox Church.
***When Joseph Stalin was fourteen in 1894, he received a scholarship. The language of instruction was Russian, and the Georgian language was disparaged by the Russian priests who taught there. Stalin was a voracious reader in both languages. He turned into a cultural nationalist for Georgia. He participated in student politics and anonymously published poetry in Georgian in the local newspaper. Although his performance had been good, he was expelled in 1899 after missing his final exams.[1]***
In 1993 it reopened as a higher educational institution of the Georgian Orthodox Church.
Are you sure that your don't have a touchy reaction to the truth? I know a lot of Catholics react with disbelief.
So I know this must be hard coming to realizations of people like Hitler, Himmler, Fauci, and others, (a good number of our CIA) involved with the Jesuits. Stalin kept his office at Tbilisi for even years later. He admitted he was under Jesuit training, and the reasons he claimed "he left" Even Lennin was suspicious of Stalin's Jesuit connections.
Interview with Amil Ludwig:
Ludwig: What drove you to become a rebel? Was it, perhaps, because your parents treated you badly?
Stalin: No. My parents were uneducated people, but they did not treat me badly by any means. It was different in the theological seminary of which I was then a student. In protest against the humiliating regime and the jesuitical methods that prevailed in the seminary, I was ready to become, and eventually did become, a revolutionary, a believer in Marxism as the only genuinely revolutionary doctrine.
Ludwig: But do you not grant the Jesuits any good qualities?
Stalin: Yes, they are methodical and persevering in their work. But the basis of all their methods is spying, prying, peering into people’s souls, to subject them to petty torment. What is there good in that? For instance, the spying in the boarding house. At nine o’clock the bell rings for morning tea, we go to the dining hall, and when we return we find that a search has been made and all our boxes have been turned inside out. . . . What is there good in that?
Look, Steve. The Jesuits are awful. I am the first to admit that. But like with Judaism or Freemasonry, with which there as many or more issues, it is too easy to see a Jesuit behind everything. You are asserting here that a seminary run by the Russian Orthodox Church was actually infiltrated by Jesuits? Sure. That makes no sense. It's akin to claiming RA Torrey, Ellen G. White and Jack Chick were actually crypto Jesuits.. But, okay, whatever you say.
The first article you linked to is utter nonsense. It doesn't even mention Orthodoxy, much less assert that the Orthodox seminary Stalin attended was infiltrated by Jesuits. You need to prove that infiltration first, Steve, for your claims to be credible. As for this purported interview, you need to provide source citation. Like with the Titanic clip Celia posted here, the claim that those sly Jesuit Svengali are everywhere corrupting everything needs more than mere assertion to prove. Extraordinary claims, extraordinary evidence, all that.
There's plenty of nefarious jesuitical treason that can be proven. Don't cloud the water with nonsense. It discredits legitimate criticism by association. Don't willfully misunderstand and overestimate your enemies. It gives them an advantage against you.
Fauci does indeed have Jesuit links. His college, Holy Cross, is in fact a Jesuit school. Avery Cardinal Dulles was a Jesuit. William Colby, though he didn't go to Jesuit schools, was known as "America's Jesuit." William Casey went to Fordham, a Jesuit school. Georgetown is in fact a major feeder school for the American intelligence community: The CIA, the State Department all are rife with people who received Jesuit educations.
The list of awful Jesuits, of subversive Jesuitical antics is very long, indeed. No need to make stuff up.. I'll also say that the list of rather admirable Jesuits is pretty long, too. Probably far longer than the list of wicked ones. Not everything the Jesuits have done is evil.
But Jorge Bergoglio is also a Jesuit. The White Pope now works for the Black one. He's currently destroying Catholicism from within. Given your obvious anti Catholic animus, you should be cheering him on. The Prophet of Anti Christ wrecks the Whore of Babylon. Applaud him, Steve. He's going to precipitate the Rapture for us. What would we do without him?
Thank you for posting that. It very much fits in with the subversion of the Catholic Church clearly underway with Francis. The Jesuits of today are not the Jesuits of even the early 20th century.
My issue with the video above is that it claims that the Jesuits were demonic masterminds plotting the ruination of Christianity and Western Civilization. Malachi's writing that you linked to refutes that anti-Catholic trope.
Malachi Martin is a profoundly dodgy character. The Jesuits are extremely dodgy, too, of course. Note that Martin was a jesuit himself.
His book on the Society is actually pretty superficial in its analysis. I'd call it a "limited hangout" treatment of Jesuit corruption, congenial to contemporary Conservative Catholic sensibilities.. According to Martin, everything was fine with the Jesuits until the corruption of liberation theology and Marxism set in during the 1950's and 60's. But that is not true. The seminal problems are deeper, theologically much subtler, and go back to the founding of the Society in the Counter Reformation.
The Jesuits were, and are, the champions of Renaissance Humanism (read: hermeticism) and moral casuistry (read: moral relativism). The early society was dominated by Conversos, Jewish converts, and Ignatius may have been one himself. His family history on this point is unclear. The salient question here is to what degree cabbalism and gnostic occultism influenced Jesuit theology and culture. Jesuit embrace of 20th century Marxist gnostic utopian millennialism is only a gross exaggeration of tendencies that existed from the Society's founding, after all. See that excellent film, the Mission. It dramatically depicts what I'm driving at, here.
The famous "fourth vow" of utter obedience to the pope ("if the pope declares black to be white, and white to be black, we must assent in obedience," etc.) is another issue. Jesuit theologians (Bellarmine, etc.) put the Gregorian reform on steroids, and were instrumental in laying the groundwork Vatican I's declaration of papal infallibility. Note that Pius IX (Pio Nono, the pope of that council) has been credibly claimed by the Masons as having been a member of the Lodge. Papal juridical supremacy over the Church - particularly in the assumed power to appoint and depose bishops at will, and overturn liturgical traditions dating back to antiquity - by crypto masons like John XXIII and Paul VI has totally revolutionized the Church for the worse.
An extremely interesting question is exactly how come the Jesuits were suppressed and disbanded by the Vatican at the end of the 18th century.. And why they were subsequently reconstituted.. *That* is a mystery Malachi Martin does not delve into. The reason is that they were up to no good..
Vatican II was also heavily influenced by Jesuit theologians. This represents the triumph of modernism - the amalgamation of all heresies, the doctrine that there is no positive content to the Faith at all - and the neutering of Christianity in preparation for gnostic One World Religion, "Catholic Theosophy."
(As an aside, you should know that this strong tendency toward gnosticism predates the Jesuits - it goes back to the very beginning, but really flares in earnest with the eruption of Catharism in the West, and the founding of the mendicant orders in the 13th Century. Read Joachim of Fiore. His eschatology is the tap root of all Protestant apocalyptic eschatology, and a source of much of our theological misery.. Also, Sola Scriptura is in a way gnostic, in that it privileges the individual intellect (rationalism, which ultimately destroyed universal received faith in scripture) and conscience as supreme authority in treating the mysteries of God (compare this to Jesuitical primacy of conscience and casuistry, there is a relationship here) and rejecting the sacraments, which is to say the evisceration of the economy of grace vivifying our culture.. But all that would take far too long to get into, here..)
Jorge Bergoglio SJ is of course essentially an open occultist and luciferian. He's crafty in his declarations, but anyone paying attention can read the signs. He openly broke the First Commandment by putting symbols sacred to Gaia (Pachamama) on the high altar above Peter's tomb. Gaia, need I remind you, was the Titan ur-mother of all the demonic Greek pagan gods. This was sacrilege of the most essential sort.
I could write a book about all of this, and very well may. But I'll only caution you in closing that the Catholic Church is the Church. The fact that it is overrun by occultists doesn't change that fact. Ancient Israel was perpetually plagued with idolatry, but remained Israel. Caiaphas sat in the seat of Moses. Read Maccabees: the Temple priesthood succumbed to the Greek hermeticists and set up the Abomination of Desolation in the Holy of Holies. Judas was an apostle, too. Christ prophesied the shepherds would betray us, that there would be wolves in sheep's clothing devouring the sheep. It has come to pass.
Just because the Church is utterly corrupt at her head, and her present magisterial theology a deliberately complete chaotic mess, does not make her any less the Church. Catholicism is the soul of the West. If the Church dies among us, our culture will die, too. Very likely most of us will die along with her, too..
"And Jesus answered and said to them, 'See to it that no one misleads you. For MANY will come in My name, saying, "I am the Christ," and will mislead MANY.'" (Matthew 24:4-5)
"Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. MANY will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.'" (Matthew 7:21-23)
9 I know your afflictions and your poverty—yet you are rich! I know about the slander of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan.
Rev 3:9
9 I will make those who are of the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews though they are not, but are liars—I will make them come and fall down at your feet and acknowledge that I have loved you.
There are better evangelical targets, IMHO. Anyone taking Christ's name and yet bearing such bitter, rebellious, and thorny fruit--committing spiritual adultery with the doctrines of men--is displaying their deep and hardened apostasy.
The best person to explain that is former Jesuit priest Malachi Martin. In his Book "Jesuits and the Betrayal of the Roman Catholic Church" acknowledges that many Jesuit priests have been remarkable saints, but the order itself is inclined to very satanic evil. Look at this current "pope" for example and many of the SS and Nazis who escaped via the Jesuit "rat lines" after WW II. It is very likely that Jesuits poisoned John Paul 1 (the first) after only 33 days as pope in 1978.
If you go down enough rabbit holes, you'll find what Celia has laid out is true. It's very well documented, in fact. You just haven't seen it because you believe the story that's been laid out for you - "Society of Jesus" - how can they be bad? And, with most everything else that's been uncovered, this is a huge piece of this very large, cryptic puzzle.
Malachi Martin's article that Celia linked to makes no mention of this, and places the Society's degradation to the middle of last century. The video is quite different than the article.
The Jesuits were very effective in combating the claims of the Reformers. I suspect that the vitriol and suspicion of Protestants towards the Order stems from this time. Far too many Jesuits were martyred spreading the faith, to make me think they were just a cover for demonic worldwide activity.
"...very effective..." Exactly. But please, repent of assigning blanket motives of vitriol and suspicion when, in fact, a sincere desire for all to know the Word who is Truth and sets free from sin, lies, and death is the actual explanation for such unveilings.
That may be the case in some Lutheran churches, but there are quite a few that have split off from the mainstream for very good reasons. Remember that the Jesuits were banned in 1773 for brief period by Clement IVX, who later claimed they were trying to kill him. That was at the time that Weishaupt created the Bavarian Illuminati by merging the banned Jesuits with Free Masons and other occult groups including the Frankist Jews and bankers. The Jesuits have hated Lincoln all all along, and Surratt helped assassinated him on "Good Friday" April 14th, 1865. Authors like Jesuit Loyola Professor Tom DiLorenzo are still attacking Lincoln after all these years.
I have a personal confession. You are correct that many Jesuit schools and Universities are excellent. I know. My son attend one. He is now working in the space program for a well-known military contractor. He is very smart!
But . He doesn't know $#*+ about what is really going on.
I love him a lot. But he has no idea of what is happening or that all these LIES in the fake media are deceiving the nations.
YHWH is impartial. He commands us to be also. (E.g., Deut 1:17, 10:17, 16:19)
ANYONE taking Christ's name (calling him or herself a Christian; declaring him or herself to be part of Christ's holy pure, set-apart bride, washed by His blood) yet bearing thorny "fruit" such as (but hardly limited to) the things you mention is committing spiritual adultery.
Being a jealous God, He will not have it.
Just like the Israelites at Beor, Solomon in his anti-Biblical pomp, our countless others in Scripture and across church history, up to the present, they want to have it both ways, serve two masters, mix bitter with sweet, mix darkness with light. They fornicate with the world. Displaying their deep and hardened apostasy, they neglect the commandment of God and hold to the tradition of men.
Look further than just one article or one video. This information is well-documented, in many places, gleaned and gathered from many sources. Trying to push it off simply as "Protesant vitrol" is extremely shortsided and simplistic and plays directly into their hands.
I have spent some time investigation the Titanic/Olympic "switch theory" and my deduction was that it is pretty-well debunked as a "flat earth" distraction and red herring. There are multitudes of websites out, and one in particular I will find for you that really nails the coffin shut with photos of the wreckage concerning the wheelhouse construction and other differences between the two ships. I think there are about 20 points of proof on this site that expose the "switch theory" as a hoax .
Keep in mind that all of these theories about deliberate destruction of the Titanic have to answer the question of how "by chance" did the Titanic hit the fatal iceberg? That is not a hard question to answer when you consider that if Titanic had missed hitting 20 "lone icebergs" it would have still hit the BRICK WALL of the ice floe dead ahead after midnight.
But the supposition that "insurance money" and profit-motive was the main or secondary motive tends to mislead people away from the real facts. I have been a guest on several radio shows concerning the "switch theory" and they are always a waste of time that distracts from the real forensics of the disaster. In other words, they paint us all up like kooky buffoons, grasping at supposed motives rather than forensics.
If you find the website, please share it. I'm not wedded to any particular theory and only recently investigated the "conspiracy". My question, though, is why can't it be both an insurance fraud and a means of getting rid of the opposition to the Federal Reserve?
As I understand the story, the Olympic sustained devastating damage to its keel in the collision with the Royal Navy vessel but was ineligible for insurance coverage because the Royal Navy denied responsibility. The loss of the Olympic would have bankrupted JP Morgan, so he hatched a scheme to scuttle it in the North Atlantic and pretend Titanic was Olympic. The added bonus was it provided a means to get rid of the opposition. It is hard to believe that a ship that sustained the major damage to its keel went on to ferry troops in WW1 and sailed for a couple decades longer.
The parts were numbered, so I wonder why proponents of either theory haven't provided proof one way or the other. I am aware that a propeller bears Titanic's number, but I understand the Olympic hit a sandbar off the coast of Canada on a return trip and a propeller from Titanic was switched out. FYI, John Hamer also believes the Federal Reserve theory. He thinks the opposition was murdered long before the ship sank.
Hey, I like your approach to this debate, and even though I am not a "switch theory" proponent, I do consider the evidence when we all examine it.
Here is one of the major websites that I ran across, with most of the points compiled together. You will find a refutation of just about every aspect of the "switch theory" here.
I had a great discussion with this British filmmaker via emails. I think I did make some headway with him about the Federal Reserve plot that was enhanced by J.P. Morgan essentially taking all managing control of the J.J. Astor fortune. (which has been an ongoing fight for years now between the Astor descendants and JP Morgan) I also live in Colorado, and the Guggenheim's were some of the first big mining kings here, up in Leadville, where they would have known Molly Brown. The Guggenheim Acme mining company was in bitter competition with the Rockefeller's whom they outbid for various stakes in mining. Simon Guggenheim was the US Senator here, and started the School of Mines and CU Engineering with grants. Benjamin Guggenheim was overseas seemingly without much purpose, except privately negotiating with foreign mining interests to corner the market on coinage production with precious metals. That was no threat to the purposed Federal Reserve, right? lol
You probably know that our coinage is now virtually worthless, and too bulky for use, where as our silver quarters would be worth about $5-6 dollars in silver value today. JP Morgan knew the value of gold and Astor's real estate, having bailed out the US with his gold in 1908. Morgan defunded and neglected Tesla's wireless energy research because "He couldn't put a meter on it." Astor (being an inventor himself) was coming back to New York with hints of possibly renewing his relationship with Tesla. How would this effect oil and coal interests? Tesla even had designs for small turbine engines that used much less fuel.
Then there was Maj. Archibald Butt, a "flamboyant and colorful fellow" who had just toured the Vatican with his gentleman friend. It is not unlikely that Butt was on a intel-gathering mission as a liaison to Teddy Roosevelt, who was returning to run for President again, as WW I was in formation and the US Navy would eventually play a big part.
Former intel agents and spies could be disposed of easily after use, and in the final hours Maj. Butt was a hero in assisting passengers on to the lifeboats---as he remained on board. There might have been others as well that we don't know.
But ALAS! It is all "theory"sad to say."
What I am after is forensic PROOF of mass murder.
That is why I am pressing for an investigation of the two huge hull plates, that I think "may" have been blown out of the bottom (below the waterline) that broke Titanic in half. (Cameron's "gun" that he referred to, perhaps NOT a metaphor) This is what sunk her.
The plan was to ram the Titanic into the ice flow after midnight, then blow the bottom out about 2:20 AM. But that was halted before Titanic hit the ice floe. The Iceberg may have actually saved lives! A WTC 7 moment when the plan went wrong. If we could get some drones down there to cut and take samples before it all rusts away we might be able to determine if thermite or other explosives were used on the double bottom hull. (Thermite was invented then and used in welding)
Then there was the radio superstar, Jesuit Father McCoughlin, the Apostle of the Swastika with 40,000,000 followers and fueled no doubt by the Vatican publication La Civilta Catholics spewing the worst of anti-Semitism for decades. And then there was Hitler's propaganda high priest theologian Gerhard Kittle publisher of Die Judenfrage who did serious prison time for his crimes and also edited the anti-Semitic Christian seminary reference work The Theological Dictionary of the New Testament revered as THE standard by modern theologians.
And who doesn't know about the Nazi smuggling Vatican ratlines.
Absolutely. He used to boast about his Jesuit training on his website profile. He took that down recently I think. He was training other doctors at Cornell. His wife, Christine Grady/Fauci was a nurse from Jesuit Georgetown, and head of the NIH "Bioethics Committee"
It goes even deeper that that with his Abys connections.
On this date in 1940, physician and immunologist Anthony Stephen Fauci was born in Brooklyn, N.Y., to Eugenia (Abys) and Stephen Fauci, owners of a family pharmacy. His pharmacist father was known as "Doc" in the neighborhood. Fauci attended a Catholic high school run by the Jesuits and graduated with a B.A. in classics in 1962 from the College of the Holy Cross, a Jesuit school in Worcester, Mass.
I would also steer fans of stacked coincidences (there’s a fair number of them with this slice of history) towards a recent conversation John Hamer had with Jeremy Nel (of Jerm Warfare) about this subject.
You can find it on Odysee (find Jerm’s channel and go from there) and probably other places, too. There’s a documentary, too, that follows the same breadcrumb trail. It’s name is not at my fingertips but it, too, is on Odysee.
I should add that Hamer’s digging supports the Olympic/Titanic swap hypothesis, which might offend some, but at the least, it’s a cracking yarn, and frankly, a bit of light relief from the present nonsense. Whatever floats your boat, eh?
OMG. I know I am probably going to end up writing pages here. Too late! I have already started!
I have spent years investigating the forensics of the wreck and accounts. At this point I think I can even take on James Cameron, (who I suspect is very aware of what really happened and won't tell us, though he eludes to it in the National Geographic 100 year Titanic review issue when he describes the wreckage field as "a crime scene" with the knife over here, and the gun over there)
First of all, forget the Olympic/Titanic "switch theory" which has been pretty well debunked and is red herring when it comes to the forensics of the wreck, so it is inconsequential anyway. Let's stay with the forensic FACTS and then we CAN connect the motives later.
What do I think is Cameron eluding to? (even using his silly bannan-peel illustration) Cameron's engineers proved that the bow only lowered about 19 degrees, unlike the film depiction of about 29 degrees. The Titanic didn't "break in half" due to weight and stress. The Titanic was intended to hit the massive ice floe (like Morgan Robertson's novel) That was when the explosions were set to sink her.
Very Simply, there were timed explosives set to blow the bottom out later at about 2:20 AM, but by chance, (which may have saved lives) the Titanic hit the ice berg first before slamming into the 70 mile long BRICK WALL of ice dead ahead---where the Californian was waiting. (J.P. Morgan owned IMM and the Californian. very likely that Capt. Lord was not aware of what he was supposed to do, but just following orders to be there, and respond as ordered, after the disaster). It WAS the Californian according the 2nd officer Lifghtoller who barely survived and tells his story on YouTube in a radio interview---so let's not get stuck in that dead ice about the "ghost ship"
So what happened? The knife slit Titanic's throat, but the GUN blew out the bottom two plates which we can STILL SEE there on the bottom lying about 3/4 of a mile from the wreckage. Cameron admits they "separated at the surface" and you can see this in many videos of the reconstruction.
My challenge to Cameron and ALL Titanic historians:
Let's send drones down to the two HUGE plates lying on the floor and cut samples off the plates and keel for examination. They are virtually SQUARE like they were "cut out" and measure about 26 feet in ship's length and about 92 feet horizontally across the keel. These need to be examined for explosive residue and even thermite, which did exist at that time and was used in welding.
Now everyone wants to get to motives. but FIRST let's establish the forensics of what happened here.
1. Was this a planned disaster?
2. Why and who was behind it?
Cameron is one hell of an argonaut. I won't argue that. He has tied the record for the deepest manned dive into the Mariana's Trench. But he as connections too, with the Free Masons, the Pilgrim Society, the Jesuits and all the other Illuminati groups. He's covering what happened up, me thinks.
Remember that even as late as 1995 there were STILL lawsuits pending on the Titanic. J.P. Morgan took over the management of the entire Astor fortune after J.J. was killed. (even recently this came up again) The Guggenheim's were deeply involved in mining gold and silver for currency.
There are a LOT of motives here. but we need FACTS first of what really happened.
https://www.mentalfloss.com/posts/novel-predicted-titanic-disaster
But “emergency” doesn’t even begin to describe what happens. Sometime near midnight, while traveling at what would prove to be an unsafe speed, the ship grazes an iceberg on its starboard side. The terrible extent of the damage soon becomes clear, and anyone unlucky enough to be on board might hear the “bee-like buzzing of nearly three thousand human voices, raised in agonized screams and callings from within the inclosing walls” of the doomed ship. Since the craft has been described as indestructible, it carries “as few [life]boats as would satisfy the laws.” It’s one of the deadliest disasters in maritime history.
Perhaps the most surprising thing about this grim episode, though, is that it has nothing to do with the R.M.S. Titanic. The scene above is taken from a novel known as Futility: or, the Wreck of the Titan, written by Morgan Robertson and first published in 1898—14 years before the sinking of the Titanic, and 11 years before construction began on the White Star Line’s now-infamous ship.
Seems predictive programming has been around a long time. Memories are short and minds are a dime a dozen as we await the next big thing.
Or from another view the novel offered a ready-made propaganda cover.
Yes, Morgan Robertson's book plays into this. Futility: or, the Wreck of the Titan, describes what WOULD have happened had the Titanic wandered into the ice floe as planned. But instead it hit a "lone ice berg" to the east. The Californian was waiting and went dark there as a death escort to rescue any survivors in the morning hours. Hitting the iceberg may have actually saved lives. What happened was not the "plan" The bottom plates of the Titanic were already wired to be BLOWN OUT at about 2:20 am AFTER the Titanic was emerged in the ice floe. Instead the Titanic remained upright and about 700 passengers were able to get off. Then at about 2:30 am the explosives blew the bottom plates out (as planned) and Titanic split apart and went down in two large bow and stern sections.
The novel implanted in a curiously Fortrean fashion a catastrophe which did sink the unsinkable Old World Order that was "Titanic" in all respects. Paul Valery speaks of this sentiment in 1919.
We later civilizations . . . we too know that we are mortal.
We had long heard tell of whole worlds that had vanished, of empires sunk without a trace, gone down with all their men and all their machines into the unexplorable depths of the centuries, with their gods and their laws, their academies and their sciences pure and applied, their grammars and their dictionaries, their Classics, their Romantics, and their Symbolists, their critics and the critics of their critics. . . . We were aware that the visible earth is made of ashes, and that ashes signify something. Through the obscure depths of history we could make out the phantoms of great ships laden with riches and intellect; we could not count them. But the disasters that had sent them down were, after all, none of our affair.
Elam, Ninevah, Babylon were but beautiful vague names, and the total ruin of those worlds had as little significance for us as their very existence. But France, England, Russia...these too would be beautiful names. Lusitania too, is a beautiful name. And we see now that the abyss of history is deep enough to hold us all. We are aware that a civilization has the same fragility as a life. The circumstances that could send the works of Keats and Baudelaire to join the works of Menander are no longer inconceivable; they are in the newspapers. That is not all. The searing lesson is more complete still. It was not enough for our generation to learn from its own experience how the most beautiful things and the most ancient, the most formidable and the best ordered, can perish by accident; in the realm of thought, feeling, and common sense, we witnessed extraordinary phenomena: paradox suddenly become fact, and obvious fact brutally believed.
🤯🤯🤯
Curious...there was no radar aboard ships at that time, so how would the captain know of an iceberg field ahead?
As the video stated, there were no less than 8 warnings of the ice floe extending about 70 miles down the path to about 39 degrees latitude. Even though this was 1912, the wireless Marconi operators knew this huge ice floe was there, and they would have served warning to all ships and the Titanic even before leaving South Hampton. These ice floes were very common in warmer spring weather, and E.J. Smith had 25 years of experience with this kind of problem.
The Titanic actually did make a course correction in response to one of the warnings, but it wasn't headed south enough. The "dinner time" warning from the Californian about 6:30 never reached the Wheelhouse or 2nd Mate Lightoller (according to his own words you can hear on YouTube). All Titanic had to do was turn slightly more to the south and they would have missed entire brick wall of ice floe ahead, and the lone iceberg. It would have taken about 90 minutes more time for the delay and arrival in NYC.
According to Encyclopedia Britannica, although the idea was experimented with in the 1880s, serious radar development didn't begin until the 1930s. They used " look outs" (a young sailor climbed a elevated pole or position). Or got word of storms or obstacles by telegraph from other ships nearby.
I think it was from reporting from other ships. Didn't the telegraph operator deliver the news about tge icebergs? Or was that Hollywood?
https://rmets.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/wea.2238
and https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/history-of-geology/the-science-behind-the-iceberg-that-sank-titanic/
I hate to write this but the Zionist Jewish bankers Rothschilds Rockefellers etc are the head of the snake. Cut the head off and the body weiggles and dies. No more Soros, Gates or mother WEFers.
Rothschilds are Papal Knights. Vatican bankers
The Hidden History of the Revived Roman Empire II
Knights of Malta, Jesuit Papacy and the 9/11 Attacks
https://lionessofjudah.substack.com/p/the-hidden-history-of-the-revived-44d
The World Is A Stage
The World Economic Forum is a front organisation. Klaus Schwab is a puppet actor who portrays the character of Doctor Evil
https://lionessofjudah.substack.com/p/the-world-is-a-stage-klaus-schwab
Thanks I’ll study your links.
Who is embedded in Ukraine? Nazis? Kazarian jews? Or is this all a plan of the WEFers to launder money and make money from the military complex?
The world is so confusing right now. The only safe place is to stand with the Truth. God is life, God is Truth and God is love. Love will overcome the fear.
Thanks for your SubStack work.
The Ukraine is a typical example of the Hegelian dialectics game.
A Staged Russia/Ukraine Conflict Is Part of the Plan To Take Down the Current World Order
https://lionessofjudah.substack.com/p/a-staged-russiaukraine-conflict-is
I’ve heard this before but it’s hard to believe. I guess time will tell.
Russia and the Collective West Are Marching Together Towards the Agenda 2030 Goals
https://lionessofjudah.substack.com/p/russia-and-the-collective-west-are
I have also written about this. Putin is in on it and this staged conflict has been planned for many years.
Klaus is Jesuit trained and frequently visits the Vatican. Bourla and Bancel also. Bourla had two secret meetings with the Pope.
All roads lead to Rome, the center of the Babylonian Mystery Religion and the worldwide system of control referred in the Bible as Mystery Babylon the Great
That could be as the Pope is compromised and the Vatican run by the Jesuit mafia.
Either way they are doing the demons work of the one world government
I will not bow to lucifer but stand for our Father
Absolutely!
I found the Pope's move last year interesting - https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/252093/pope-francis-instructs-vatican-entities-to-move-all-funds-to-vatican-bank-by-sept-30
Wonder what it could portend? The next big thing? Economic collapse perhaps...
Some of the names on the knights of Malta list were very surprising. Reagan? Very informative posting.
This clip has always been a big red flag about Reagan. Planting that One World Government seed via alien invasion. There's clips of Bush1, Clinton, Bush2, and Obama promoting the same idea, too.
https://youtu.be/MAAHgAuti84
Of course, Obama said the average man or woman was too small-minded to take care of themselves.
https://youtu.be/M11z5ZEs7o4
Reagan was well briefed on the UFO file and worked with the Russians, as did JFK, the ONLY 2 U.S. presidents to seriously negotiate nuclear disarmament with Russia. He was by no means planting seeds for a one world government. He was also forced to take Nazis narco terrorist GHW Bush, a closet case, as his VP as was JFK forced to take criminal, racist flth LBJ as his.
That brings up something I was pondering recently, as I find out everything is worth questioning. Remembered after Reagan was shot, Alexander Haig took to the podium and more or less took control, before Bush showed up. First, I wonder why Reagan was shot ("they" don't miss if they want a dead politician), and second, what Haig was doing. I've never heard it discussed or read anything covering the behind the scenes of that incident. Just more pf the dirty business I'm sure.
Shooters, even we'll trained ones, miss often. Ever see well trained cops pratice at a shooting range? SS Agent Tim McCarthy prevented child sexual abuser Nazis narco terrorist GHW Bush's buddy's MKUltra "trained" assassin from killing Reagan. Haig was a Henry Kissinger stooge who simply communicated to the narco terrorist banker world that the sexually deviant socio-psychopaths had wrested from Reagan the control they needed to run Iran Contra & all the other Fourth Reich Fascist International Zio sexual deviancy, murder, etc. that closet case Heins Kissinger & his ilk had planned.
I saw a documentary that said Hinkley actually missed and Reagan was shot by secret service once they shoved him in the car. Who knows the truth?
That's sheer idiocy. I worked with some of Richard M. Daley's people who know SS Agent Tim McCarthy, and I worked on Tim's friend's run for Illinois State Treasurer. Tim took a bullet for Reagan. He saved Reagan's life.
So much information wow
The Rothschilds are Vatican bankers according to the Jewish Encyclopedia. Hop Juden or court Jews. Money launderers of the Vatican and the Jesuits who actually control the world banking systems. Convenient scapegoats for the Jesuits.
Thanks.
Christ already did the head-crushing (Genesis 3:15).
Everything else is a prolonged mopping-up operation (by His grace).
The state of our "head" needs to be Him, not ourselves.
Trust in God
I am awake and know very little about this, but it is clear that this snake has many many heads!
Modern day Jewry is not the biblical Israelites. This is a impersonation. Khazarian descent is what they are. There is no such thing as a catholic, jew or muslim. These are all titles created to categorize for divide and conquer purposes. The world is a vampire and this ohio derailment was an act of war just like the covid jab. We are under attack by those who wish to exterminate us. The US government is a satanic creation by masons who are all related by blood as I share in my substack. psyop4awareness
Khazarian descent of modern Jews Its a Lie. It was disproved by Russian archeologists and historians a VERY long time ago, when Russian writer Gumilev was pushing within liberal "intellectual circles" I have enough materials in my posts o see the truth for those who have eyes to see Even Palestinian leaders stopped repeating this nonsense, but western alt movement still runs with it.
If you believe that a certain ethnic group of people is responsible for all the world problems, you are believing a Lie authored by the Babylonian order of Jesuits and spread all over alt media realm to be believed and acted upon by the ignorant people. Happened before, Nazis is a good example, same lie different day.
The idea of the Khazarian Jew first came from a French-born Philosopher named Joseph Ernest Renan. Research the rest of you want, or keep believing lies.
Freemasons are the followers of the Babylonian Mystery Religion.
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. - Ephesians 6:12
Ultimately my main thought is that modern day jewry are not of the biblical israelites which is what we are expected to believe. The greatest impersonation ever.
With all due respect, your thoughts are based on "Khazarian Mafia" fables.
You can continue believing a lie or you can do some research.
Khazar Khaganate
Russian Open Archeology website: "There is no question of any syncretism either with Islam, or with Judaism or Christianity, since none of the above religions influenced the religious and mythological belief system in the Khazar Khaganate
https://открытаяархеология.рф/arch-cultures/%D1%85%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%8B
The Khazar Lesson, or Why the Great Khaganate Collapsed? History Russian Federation website
https://histrf.ru/read/articles/khazarskii-urok-ili-pochiemu-razvalilsia-vielikii-kaghanat
Peer-reviewed article: THE «KHAZAR MYTH» AS PERCEIVED BY THE EURASIANS AND L.N. GUMILYOV
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1EN2N6q8oyRAW6mavZesOwQ3Z9pkFFw04/view
The real history of Earth?
https://archive.org/details/trh-77_202111/mode/2up?view=theater
It wasn’t the Titanic that sank. It was the Olympic. John Hamer has done excellent reporting on this.
doesn't surprise me. nothing does anymore.
The evidence it was Olympic is extremely compelling, John Hamer has done incredible work researching this. The fact that there was an almost identical sister ship that was launched a year earlier exposes all the after the fact propaganda we were fed about Titanic's splendour, uniqueness and unsinkabilty etc. Virtually no one I ask knows that there was an identical ship launched a year earlier and they definitely don't know it was an insurance write off after a collision
That's not really a secret. I suspect my teenaged son could tell you about the Olympic. And Violet Jessup
https://jermwarfare.com/podcast/john-hamer
That’s what I read also with many pictures and eye witness accounts. But either way it was an assassination of those opposed the the Fed
Insightful interview with Hamer here:
https://jermwarfare.com/podcast/john-hamer
No contradictions with this vid; just more layers.
For so many years there has been this fascination about that fateful ship. One of the very first songs I learned at day camp was about the Titanic when I was 6 years old. It feels like we've all been groomed into distraction by these myths of glamor and tragedy all rolled up into the biggest blockbuster movie Hollywood ever made. Leonardo DiCaprio is at the centerpiece of so much of the propaganda - He played J Edgar Hoover, Howard Hughes, Jordan Belfert just to name a few; and was also very involved in that climate disaster flick a year ago. Tom Hanks is also prominent in many of them. Makes you question just about everything that's been fed to us by the mockingbirds who are masters of deceit and foul play.
Yes. And Cameron is deeply involved with the "secret cabals" as well. I think he knows what really happened to the Titanic. The ship was wired with explosives that blew out two huge plates of the hull at the surface (which Cameron says started the "break up") The plan was to run the Titanic into the huge ice flow ahead and blow out the bottom at about 2:20 am in the morning. But they hit the "lone Iceberg" first and stopped. Yet the timing on the explosives went off on time anyway. These huge plates are still there lying about 3/4 of a mile from the wreckage, where they separated..That is were you will find the "smoking gun." and proof of mass murder.
Being from Northern Ireland and having visited the much lauded Titanic Museum a few years ago, there is absolutely nothing listed, mentioned or otherwise spoken about possible sabotage. The history books stick to the same storyline, i.e. Capt Smith was incompetent (and he was as he had had a few near misses in his time), and his zeal to beat the Atlantic crossing record etc. Always seemed way too simple to me, but now I understand who has run the show, and continues to run the show, and that nothing happens by chance. All part of Ze Plan!!!
I am sad to say I found this surprising and disappointing. It (along with some comments) paints with a broad brush. And while Malachi Martin’s book The Jesuits is revelatory, especially about influential Jesuit theologians and the lamentable, runaway liberation theology, it does not condemn the entire order. Faithful Catholics know solid Jesuits, but, alas, there are those who have gone off the rails like Fr. James Martin - and more. There are a lot of wide-ranging allegations in the video clip that was included (and combox comments) but, frankly, they do seem to be short on proof.
The Hidden History of the Revived Roman Empire
Jesuit Influence and Infiltration of The US and World Governments. Secret Treaty Of Verona
https://lionessofjudah.substack.com/p/the-hidden-history-of-the-revived
The head of the Federal Reserve, Jerome Powell, is Jesuit trained.
Take a look at who runs the EU Central Bank, Christine Lagarde, whose mother was Jewish yet her father had other ideologies. But she was brought up and trained by many of the royal Catholic elite. There there is Fauci, who used to boast about his Jesuit education. Stalin was trained to be a Jesuit priest, but found "other work" top do. Hitler also was noticed as a natural leader by his priests in early years and considered becoming a priest. But he also found "other work" to do. Hitler boasted that in Himmler the SS was fashioned after Loyola's Jesuits, and many of the SS agents were Jesuit trained including Himmler's uncle as a commander. After the war the Jesuits smuggled 25,000 plus SS men out of Europe, and even to the USA.
But the point is that the "new world order" of the Illuminati that Weishaupt created engulfed many different cabals and occult organizations. Free Masons, Jesuits, Theosophy and even Jacob Frank who brought in the Rothschild family.
A century after Sabbati Zevi's death in 1676, his Kabbalist successor, Jacob Frank, expanded upon and continued his occult philosophy. Jacob Frank would eventually enter into an alliance formed by Adam Weishaupt and Meyer Amshel Rothschild called the Order of the Illuminati. The objectives of this organization was to undermine the world's religions and power structures, in an effort to usher in a utopian era of global communism, which they would covertly rule by their hidden hand: the New World Order.
https://atlanteangardens.blogspot.com/2019/09/1666-revisited-robert-sepehr.html
YES!
Excellent info. I always try to point out the Sabbatean cult's influence and power among the Jewish banking elite, though they are in reality not Jews by any identification with the law and biblical morality. In fact, the Sabbatean's actually use and kill Jews constantly, and you can see them operating behind the scenes in with people like Soros, Peres, Madoff and many others.
Yes, people don't realize that what we are seeing now is the culmination of an evil plan which is hundreds - if not thousands - of years old.
Yes. Good points. If you have had a chance to read any of the books by the late Barry Chamish, he goes into great detail about the Sabbatens Labor party and Peres (who was raised and trained by the Jesuits as well) who was behind the murder of Rabin.
https://www.amazon.com/Books-Barry-Chamish/s?rh=n%3A283155%2Cp_27%3ABarry+Chamish
What a tangled web it all is. Many thanks for the link!
Stalin was not trained to be a Jesuit. He was educated in an Orthodox seminary, not a Catholic one. There's profound historical enmity between the Jesuits and the Orthodox. See the history of the Uniates, which is directly relevant to what is happening in Ukraine, today.
Nope. Sorry. Catholics have tried to deny that Stalin was trained as a Jesuit, but even Stalin admitted his Jesuit training. http://jesuitinquisition.blogspot.com/2016/02/joseph-stalin-was-born-into-prominent.html
Yeah. Nice anti-Catholic polemics, there. With no citations. Because it's utter nonsense. Stalin went to an Orthodox seminary, not a Catholic, much less Jesuit, one. I know that these distinctions are probably meaningless to an anti Catholic bigot like you. Still, these are the facts:
Tbilisi Theological Seminary (Georgian: თბილისის სასულიერო სემინარია; Russian: Тбили́сская духо́вная семина́рия) is a spiritual training institution, which operated from 1817 to 1919 in the Georgian Exarchate of the Russian Orthodox Church.
***When Joseph Stalin was fourteen in 1894, he received a scholarship. The language of instruction was Russian, and the Georgian language was disparaged by the Russian priests who taught there. Stalin was a voracious reader in both languages. He turned into a cultural nationalist for Georgia. He participated in student politics and anonymously published poetry in Georgian in the local newspaper. Although his performance had been good, he was expelled in 1899 after missing his final exams.[1]***
In 1993 it reopened as a higher educational institution of the Georgian Orthodox Church.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tbilisi_Theological_Seminary
Are you sure that your don't have a touchy reaction to the truth? I know a lot of Catholics react with disbelief.
So I know this must be hard coming to realizations of people like Hitler, Himmler, Fauci, and others, (a good number of our CIA) involved with the Jesuits. Stalin kept his office at Tbilisi for even years later. He admitted he was under Jesuit training, and the reasons he claimed "he left" Even Lennin was suspicious of Stalin's Jesuit connections.
Interview with Amil Ludwig:
Ludwig: What drove you to become a rebel? Was it, perhaps, because your parents treated you badly?
Stalin: No. My parents were uneducated people, but they did not treat me badly by any means. It was different in the theological seminary of which I was then a student. In protest against the humiliating regime and the jesuitical methods that prevailed in the seminary, I was ready to become, and eventually did become, a revolutionary, a believer in Marxism as the only genuinely revolutionary doctrine.
Ludwig: But do you not grant the Jesuits any good qualities?
Stalin: Yes, they are methodical and persevering in their work. But the basis of all their methods is spying, prying, peering into people’s souls, to subject them to petty torment. What is there good in that? For instance, the spying in the boarding house. At nine o’clock the bell rings for morning tea, we go to the dining hall, and when we return we find that a search has been made and all our boxes have been turned inside out. . . . What is there good in that?
Look, Steve. The Jesuits are awful. I am the first to admit that. But like with Judaism or Freemasonry, with which there as many or more issues, it is too easy to see a Jesuit behind everything. You are asserting here that a seminary run by the Russian Orthodox Church was actually infiltrated by Jesuits? Sure. That makes no sense. It's akin to claiming RA Torrey, Ellen G. White and Jack Chick were actually crypto Jesuits.. But, okay, whatever you say.
The first article you linked to is utter nonsense. It doesn't even mention Orthodoxy, much less assert that the Orthodox seminary Stalin attended was infiltrated by Jesuits. You need to prove that infiltration first, Steve, for your claims to be credible. As for this purported interview, you need to provide source citation. Like with the Titanic clip Celia posted here, the claim that those sly Jesuit Svengali are everywhere corrupting everything needs more than mere assertion to prove. Extraordinary claims, extraordinary evidence, all that.
There's plenty of nefarious jesuitical treason that can be proven. Don't cloud the water with nonsense. It discredits legitimate criticism by association. Don't willfully misunderstand and overestimate your enemies. It gives them an advantage against you.
Fauci does indeed have Jesuit links. His college, Holy Cross, is in fact a Jesuit school. Avery Cardinal Dulles was a Jesuit. William Colby, though he didn't go to Jesuit schools, was known as "America's Jesuit." William Casey went to Fordham, a Jesuit school. Georgetown is in fact a major feeder school for the American intelligence community: The CIA, the State Department all are rife with people who received Jesuit educations.
The list of awful Jesuits, of subversive Jesuitical antics is very long, indeed. No need to make stuff up.. I'll also say that the list of rather admirable Jesuits is pretty long, too. Probably far longer than the list of wicked ones. Not everything the Jesuits have done is evil.
But Jorge Bergoglio is also a Jesuit. The White Pope now works for the Black one. He's currently destroying Catholicism from within. Given your obvious anti Catholic animus, you should be cheering him on. The Prophet of Anti Christ wrecks the Whore of Babylon. Applaud him, Steve. He's going to precipitate the Rapture for us. What would we do without him?
The Jesuits? Seriously?
How do you explain all the Jesuit martyrs who died spreading the faith?
See link I added in the post, by Malachi Martin, for answer.
Thank you for posting that. It very much fits in with the subversion of the Catholic Church clearly underway with Francis. The Jesuits of today are not the Jesuits of even the early 20th century.
My issue with the video above is that it claims that the Jesuits were demonic masterminds plotting the ruination of Christianity and Western Civilization. Malachi's writing that you linked to refutes that anti-Catholic trope.
Malachi Martin is a profoundly dodgy character. The Jesuits are extremely dodgy, too, of course. Note that Martin was a jesuit himself.
His book on the Society is actually pretty superficial in its analysis. I'd call it a "limited hangout" treatment of Jesuit corruption, congenial to contemporary Conservative Catholic sensibilities.. According to Martin, everything was fine with the Jesuits until the corruption of liberation theology and Marxism set in during the 1950's and 60's. But that is not true. The seminal problems are deeper, theologically much subtler, and go back to the founding of the Society in the Counter Reformation.
The Jesuits were, and are, the champions of Renaissance Humanism (read: hermeticism) and moral casuistry (read: moral relativism). The early society was dominated by Conversos, Jewish converts, and Ignatius may have been one himself. His family history on this point is unclear. The salient question here is to what degree cabbalism and gnostic occultism influenced Jesuit theology and culture. Jesuit embrace of 20th century Marxist gnostic utopian millennialism is only a gross exaggeration of tendencies that existed from the Society's founding, after all. See that excellent film, the Mission. It dramatically depicts what I'm driving at, here.
The famous "fourth vow" of utter obedience to the pope ("if the pope declares black to be white, and white to be black, we must assent in obedience," etc.) is another issue. Jesuit theologians (Bellarmine, etc.) put the Gregorian reform on steroids, and were instrumental in laying the groundwork Vatican I's declaration of papal infallibility. Note that Pius IX (Pio Nono, the pope of that council) has been credibly claimed by the Masons as having been a member of the Lodge. Papal juridical supremacy over the Church - particularly in the assumed power to appoint and depose bishops at will, and overturn liturgical traditions dating back to antiquity - by crypto masons like John XXIII and Paul VI has totally revolutionized the Church for the worse.
An extremely interesting question is exactly how come the Jesuits were suppressed and disbanded by the Vatican at the end of the 18th century.. And why they were subsequently reconstituted.. *That* is a mystery Malachi Martin does not delve into. The reason is that they were up to no good..
Vatican II was also heavily influenced by Jesuit theologians. This represents the triumph of modernism - the amalgamation of all heresies, the doctrine that there is no positive content to the Faith at all - and the neutering of Christianity in preparation for gnostic One World Religion, "Catholic Theosophy."
(As an aside, you should know that this strong tendency toward gnosticism predates the Jesuits - it goes back to the very beginning, but really flares in earnest with the eruption of Catharism in the West, and the founding of the mendicant orders in the 13th Century. Read Joachim of Fiore. His eschatology is the tap root of all Protestant apocalyptic eschatology, and a source of much of our theological misery.. Also, Sola Scriptura is in a way gnostic, in that it privileges the individual intellect (rationalism, which ultimately destroyed universal received faith in scripture) and conscience as supreme authority in treating the mysteries of God (compare this to Jesuitical primacy of conscience and casuistry, there is a relationship here) and rejecting the sacraments, which is to say the evisceration of the economy of grace vivifying our culture.. But all that would take far too long to get into, here..)
Jorge Bergoglio SJ is of course essentially an open occultist and luciferian. He's crafty in his declarations, but anyone paying attention can read the signs. He openly broke the First Commandment by putting symbols sacred to Gaia (Pachamama) on the high altar above Peter's tomb. Gaia, need I remind you, was the Titan ur-mother of all the demonic Greek pagan gods. This was sacrilege of the most essential sort.
I could write a book about all of this, and very well may. But I'll only caution you in closing that the Catholic Church is the Church. The fact that it is overrun by occultists doesn't change that fact. Ancient Israel was perpetually plagued with idolatry, but remained Israel. Caiaphas sat in the seat of Moses. Read Maccabees: the Temple priesthood succumbed to the Greek hermeticists and set up the Abomination of Desolation in the Holy of Holies. Judas was an apostle, too. Christ prophesied the shepherds would betray us, that there would be wolves in sheep's clothing devouring the sheep. It has come to pass.
Just because the Church is utterly corrupt at her head, and her present magisterial theology a deliberately complete chaotic mess, does not make her any less the Church. Catholicism is the soul of the West. If the Church dies among us, our culture will die, too. Very likely most of us will die along with her, too..
"And Jesus answered and said to them, 'See to it that no one misleads you. For MANY will come in My name, saying, "I am the Christ," and will mislead MANY.'" (Matthew 24:4-5)
"Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. MANY will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.'" (Matthew 7:21-23)
Rev 2:9
9 I know your afflictions and your poverty—yet you are rich! I know about the slander of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan.
Rev 3:9
9 I will make those who are of the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews though they are not, but are liars—I will make them come and fall down at your feet and acknowledge that I have loved you.
Very true. Maybe we should evangelize the Protestant churches near me flying Marxist BLM banners and Pride flags.
There are better evangelical targets, IMHO. Anyone taking Christ's name and yet bearing such bitter, rebellious, and thorny fruit--committing spiritual adultery with the doctrines of men--is displaying their deep and hardened apostasy.
The best person to explain that is former Jesuit priest Malachi Martin. In his Book "Jesuits and the Betrayal of the Roman Catholic Church" acknowledges that many Jesuit priests have been remarkable saints, but the order itself is inclined to very satanic evil. Look at this current "pope" for example and many of the SS and Nazis who escaped via the Jesuit "rat lines" after WW II. It is very likely that Jesuits poisoned John Paul 1 (the first) after only 33 days as pope in 1978.
If you go down enough rabbit holes, you'll find what Celia has laid out is true. It's very well documented, in fact. You just haven't seen it because you believe the story that's been laid out for you - "Society of Jesus" - how can they be bad? And, with most everything else that's been uncovered, this is a huge piece of this very large, cryptic puzzle.
Malachi Martin's article that Celia linked to makes no mention of this, and places the Society's degradation to the middle of last century. The video is quite different than the article.
The Jesuits were very effective in combating the claims of the Reformers. I suspect that the vitriol and suspicion of Protestants towards the Order stems from this time. Far too many Jesuits were martyred spreading the faith, to make me think they were just a cover for demonic worldwide activity.
"...very effective..." Exactly. But please, repent of assigning blanket motives of vitriol and suspicion when, in fact, a sincere desire for all to know the Word who is Truth and sets free from sin, lies, and death is the actual explanation for such unveilings.
In less than 500 years, Luther's Church (in my neighborhood) is flying rainbow flags and BLM banners. Is that an unveiling too?
That may be the case in some Lutheran churches, but there are quite a few that have split off from the mainstream for very good reasons. Remember that the Jesuits were banned in 1773 for brief period by Clement IVX, who later claimed they were trying to kill him. That was at the time that Weishaupt created the Bavarian Illuminati by merging the banned Jesuits with Free Masons and other occult groups including the Frankist Jews and bankers. The Jesuits have hated Lincoln all all along, and Surratt helped assassinated him on "Good Friday" April 14th, 1865. Authors like Jesuit Loyola Professor Tom DiLorenzo are still attacking Lincoln after all these years.
I have a personal confession. You are correct that many Jesuit schools and Universities are excellent. I know. My son attend one. He is now working in the space program for a well-known military contractor. He is very smart!
But . He doesn't know $#*+ about what is really going on.
I love him a lot. But he has no idea of what is happening or that all these LIES in the fake media are deceiving the nations.
YHWH is impartial. He commands us to be also. (E.g., Deut 1:17, 10:17, 16:19)
ANYONE taking Christ's name (calling him or herself a Christian; declaring him or herself to be part of Christ's holy pure, set-apart bride, washed by His blood) yet bearing thorny "fruit" such as (but hardly limited to) the things you mention is committing spiritual adultery.
Being a jealous God, He will not have it.
Just like the Israelites at Beor, Solomon in his anti-Biblical pomp, our countless others in Scripture and across church history, up to the present, they want to have it both ways, serve two masters, mix bitter with sweet, mix darkness with light. They fornicate with the world. Displaying their deep and hardened apostasy, they neglect the commandment of God and hold to the tradition of men.
Agree, Art. When they come to round us up, they won't ask our denomination.
Look further than just one article or one video. This information is well-documented, in many places, gleaned and gathered from many sources. Trying to push it off simply as "Protesant vitrol" is extremely shortsided and simplistic and plays directly into their hands.
Did you read Celia's link to Malachi Martin's book?
Well, the only thing that some Protestants have in common with atheists is hatred for the Catholic Church, so yeah, "Protestant vitriol" is very real.
If you dig deeper you may find it was actually the Olympic - the corruption runs deep just like the ocean. Thank you for all your hard work!
John Hamer claims it is Olympic, not Titanic, at the bottom of the North Atlantic.
https://jermwarfare.com/podcast/john-hamer
I have spent some time investigation the Titanic/Olympic "switch theory" and my deduction was that it is pretty-well debunked as a "flat earth" distraction and red herring. There are multitudes of websites out, and one in particular I will find for you that really nails the coffin shut with photos of the wreckage concerning the wheelhouse construction and other differences between the two ships. I think there are about 20 points of proof on this site that expose the "switch theory" as a hoax .
Keep in mind that all of these theories about deliberate destruction of the Titanic have to answer the question of how "by chance" did the Titanic hit the fatal iceberg? That is not a hard question to answer when you consider that if Titanic had missed hitting 20 "lone icebergs" it would have still hit the BRICK WALL of the ice floe dead ahead after midnight.
But the supposition that "insurance money" and profit-motive was the main or secondary motive tends to mislead people away from the real facts. I have been a guest on several radio shows concerning the "switch theory" and they are always a waste of time that distracts from the real forensics of the disaster. In other words, they paint us all up like kooky buffoons, grasping at supposed motives rather than forensics.
If you find the website, please share it. I'm not wedded to any particular theory and only recently investigated the "conspiracy". My question, though, is why can't it be both an insurance fraud and a means of getting rid of the opposition to the Federal Reserve?
As I understand the story, the Olympic sustained devastating damage to its keel in the collision with the Royal Navy vessel but was ineligible for insurance coverage because the Royal Navy denied responsibility. The loss of the Olympic would have bankrupted JP Morgan, so he hatched a scheme to scuttle it in the North Atlantic and pretend Titanic was Olympic. The added bonus was it provided a means to get rid of the opposition. It is hard to believe that a ship that sustained the major damage to its keel went on to ferry troops in WW1 and sailed for a couple decades longer.
The parts were numbered, so I wonder why proponents of either theory haven't provided proof one way or the other. I am aware that a propeller bears Titanic's number, but I understand the Olympic hit a sandbar off the coast of Canada on a return trip and a propeller from Titanic was switched out. FYI, John Hamer also believes the Federal Reserve theory. He thinks the opposition was murdered long before the ship sank.
Hey, I like your approach to this debate, and even though I am not a "switch theory" proponent, I do consider the evidence when we all examine it.
Here is one of the major websites that I ran across, with most of the points compiled together. You will find a refutation of just about every aspect of the "switch theory" here.
https://www.titanicswitch.com/claims.html
I had a great discussion with this British filmmaker via emails. I think I did make some headway with him about the Federal Reserve plot that was enhanced by J.P. Morgan essentially taking all managing control of the J.J. Astor fortune. (which has been an ongoing fight for years now between the Astor descendants and JP Morgan) I also live in Colorado, and the Guggenheim's were some of the first big mining kings here, up in Leadville, where they would have known Molly Brown. The Guggenheim Acme mining company was in bitter competition with the Rockefeller's whom they outbid for various stakes in mining. Simon Guggenheim was the US Senator here, and started the School of Mines and CU Engineering with grants. Benjamin Guggenheim was overseas seemingly without much purpose, except privately negotiating with foreign mining interests to corner the market on coinage production with precious metals. That was no threat to the purposed Federal Reserve, right? lol
You probably know that our coinage is now virtually worthless, and too bulky for use, where as our silver quarters would be worth about $5-6 dollars in silver value today. JP Morgan knew the value of gold and Astor's real estate, having bailed out the US with his gold in 1908. Morgan defunded and neglected Tesla's wireless energy research because "He couldn't put a meter on it." Astor (being an inventor himself) was coming back to New York with hints of possibly renewing his relationship with Tesla. How would this effect oil and coal interests? Tesla even had designs for small turbine engines that used much less fuel.
Then there was Maj. Archibald Butt, a "flamboyant and colorful fellow" who had just toured the Vatican with his gentleman friend. It is not unlikely that Butt was on a intel-gathering mission as a liaison to Teddy Roosevelt, who was returning to run for President again, as WW I was in formation and the US Navy would eventually play a big part.
Former intel agents and spies could be disposed of easily after use, and in the final hours Maj. Butt was a hero in assisting passengers on to the lifeboats---as he remained on board. There might have been others as well that we don't know.
But ALAS! It is all "theory"sad to say."
What I am after is forensic PROOF of mass murder.
That is why I am pressing for an investigation of the two huge hull plates, that I think "may" have been blown out of the bottom (below the waterline) that broke Titanic in half. (Cameron's "gun" that he referred to, perhaps NOT a metaphor) This is what sunk her.
The plan was to ram the Titanic into the ice flow after midnight, then blow the bottom out about 2:20 AM. But that was halted before Titanic hit the ice floe. The Iceberg may have actually saved lives! A WTC 7 moment when the plan went wrong. If we could get some drones down there to cut and take samples before it all rusts away we might be able to determine if thermite or other explosives were used on the double bottom hull. (Thermite was invented then and used in welding)
https://preview.redd.it/46lbqxwxvsl61.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=8afab0bcadf6bf0f365b2d94e25b1e2d445d7b6b
Titanic was owned by the White Star line. The White Star is Lucifer. Interesting.
Then there was the radio superstar, Jesuit Father McCoughlin, the Apostle of the Swastika with 40,000,000 followers and fueled no doubt by the Vatican publication La Civilta Catholics spewing the worst of anti-Semitism for decades. And then there was Hitler's propaganda high priest theologian Gerhard Kittle publisher of Die Judenfrage who did serious prison time for his crimes and also edited the anti-Semitic Christian seminary reference work The Theological Dictionary of the New Testament revered as THE standard by modern theologians.
And who doesn't know about the Nazi smuggling Vatican ratlines.
Isn't Fauci a Jesuit ? That would explain a lot!
Absolutely. He used to boast about his Jesuit training on his website profile. He took that down recently I think. He was training other doctors at Cornell. His wife, Christine Grady/Fauci was a nurse from Jesuit Georgetown, and head of the NIH "Bioethics Committee"
It goes even deeper that that with his Abys connections.
On this date in 1940, physician and immunologist Anthony Stephen Fauci was born in Brooklyn, N.Y., to Eugenia (Abys) and Stephen Fauci, owners of a family pharmacy. His pharmacist father was known as "Doc" in the neighborhood. Fauci attended a Catholic high school run by the Jesuits and graduated with a B.A. in classics in 1962 from the College of the Holy Cross, a Jesuit school in Worcester, Mass.
https://vk.com/@g.tatari-anthony-fauci-chief-globalist-snake-oil-pitchman-leader-of-b
Thank you, Celia.
I would also steer fans of stacked coincidences (there’s a fair number of them with this slice of history) towards a recent conversation John Hamer had with Jeremy Nel (of Jerm Warfare) about this subject.
You can find it on Odysee (find Jerm’s channel and go from there) and probably other places, too. There’s a documentary, too, that follows the same breadcrumb trail. It’s name is not at my fingertips but it, too, is on Odysee.
I should add that Hamer’s digging supports the Olympic/Titanic swap hypothesis, which might offend some, but at the least, it’s a cracking yarn, and frankly, a bit of light relief from the present nonsense. Whatever floats your boat, eh?
OMG. I know I am probably going to end up writing pages here. Too late! I have already started!
I have spent years investigating the forensics of the wreck and accounts. At this point I think I can even take on James Cameron, (who I suspect is very aware of what really happened and won't tell us, though he eludes to it in the National Geographic 100 year Titanic review issue when he describes the wreckage field as "a crime scene" with the knife over here, and the gun over there)
First of all, forget the Olympic/Titanic "switch theory" which has been pretty well debunked and is red herring when it comes to the forensics of the wreck, so it is inconsequential anyway. Let's stay with the forensic FACTS and then we CAN connect the motives later.
What do I think is Cameron eluding to? (even using his silly bannan-peel illustration) Cameron's engineers proved that the bow only lowered about 19 degrees, unlike the film depiction of about 29 degrees. The Titanic didn't "break in half" due to weight and stress. The Titanic was intended to hit the massive ice floe (like Morgan Robertson's novel) That was when the explosions were set to sink her.
Very Simply, there were timed explosives set to blow the bottom out later at about 2:20 AM, but by chance, (which may have saved lives) the Titanic hit the ice berg first before slamming into the 70 mile long BRICK WALL of ice dead ahead---where the Californian was waiting. (J.P. Morgan owned IMM and the Californian. very likely that Capt. Lord was not aware of what he was supposed to do, but just following orders to be there, and respond as ordered, after the disaster). It WAS the Californian according the 2nd officer Lifghtoller who barely survived and tells his story on YouTube in a radio interview---so let's not get stuck in that dead ice about the "ghost ship"
So what happened? The knife slit Titanic's throat, but the GUN blew out the bottom two plates which we can STILL SEE there on the bottom lying about 3/4 of a mile from the wreckage. Cameron admits they "separated at the surface" and you can see this in many videos of the reconstruction.
My challenge to Cameron and ALL Titanic historians:
Let's send drones down to the two HUGE plates lying on the floor and cut samples off the plates and keel for examination. They are virtually SQUARE like they were "cut out" and measure about 26 feet in ship's length and about 92 feet horizontally across the keel. These need to be examined for explosive residue and even thermite, which did exist at that time and was used in welding.
Now everyone wants to get to motives. but FIRST let's establish the forensics of what happened here.
1. Was this a planned disaster?
2. Why and who was behind it?
Cameron is one hell of an argonaut. I won't argue that. He has tied the record for the deepest manned dive into the Mariana's Trench. But he as connections too, with the Free Masons, the Pilgrim Society, the Jesuits and all the other Illuminati groups. He's covering what happened up, me thinks.
Remember that even as late as 1995 there were STILL lawsuits pending on the Titanic. J.P. Morgan took over the management of the entire Astor fortune after J.J. was killed. (even recently this came up again) The Guggenheim's were deeply involved in mining gold and silver for currency.
There are a LOT of motives here. but we need FACTS first of what really happened.