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flummoxed agent Roger W. 🦂's avatar

Natali's Spanish is very good.

She uses the Spanish (and German) term "estado de derecho" which is literally "State of Right," but in proper English is "Rule of law."

Very confusing concept: clearly, the term State and the term Right contradict each other. The resulting confusion is partially responsible for the current legal and political chaos of many countries.

Some good info here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rechtsstaat

In Spain, the Constitution says literally "Spain is constituted as social and democratic state of right," a phrase so complicated that several exorcists of many different religions have failed to purify.

No one understands what the very open-ended term "social state" means.

No one can escape the confusion of the very disputed adjective "democratic."

No one agrees on what rights or "the law" is.

The mystical jungle of positive legislation.

The law should be plain, small, short, and understandable by everyone.

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I realize I will make no friends here when I write this, but I am really taken aback at the word "persecution" to describe what is happening to Reiner Fuellmich.

Is Reiner being tortured? Being denied food and water? Injected with foreign substances?

Everyone who speaks out against official deep state narrative, as you well know, Celia, takes a risk.

At this point, after all the years of seeing what happens to journalists and activists that speak the truth, one has to know that if one is going to take on the cartel, one needs to be ready to fight and to expect anything.

I watched every single interview that Reiner and Vivienne and the committee held, and I learned a great deal.

I watched Reiner's interviews after he parted with Vivienne. I enjoyed them and I learned a great deal from them also.

So I have no ax to grind with Reiner, Vivienne or the committee. I appreciate their work.

However, and I have believed this since the whole situation exploded - at the very least, Reiner and Vivienne and Woflgang and the committee used extremely poor judgement when they used Committee donations for personal use - EVEN IF that personal use was to protect the funds from the government. Reiner and Vivienne each took a loan. That is personal use.

Anyone who has done any kind of work in this arena knows that you do not touch ANY funds for any reason.

You either set up a 501 non profit organization, or you just hire a completely independent 3rd party to handle all donations and finances.

I am incredulous that Reiner, a lawyer who specializes in fraud, and Vivienne, also a lawyer, would even consider touching those donations. Especially with what was at stake.

With what was at stake - the Health Freedom movement and all of the work they were doing - you would assume they would make sure that everything financial was above board, transparent, and unquestionable.

The donations could have been protected in a way that would not call into question anyone's integrity, and would not lead to just what we are witnessing now.

Was Vivienne "got to"? Maybe.

Was Reiner's arrest illegal? Perhaps.

Is the German judicial system corrupt? Of course.

Every single judicial system in the world is corrupt! Doesn't excuse what is happening by any means, but it does not surprise me at all that they are trying their best to disparage what the committee was trying to do in exposing the truth.

I have listened to Eric Coppolino's interview from last Feb with a German journalist who did a deep dive into this situation. There is more to the background of this story than meets the eye. The journalist is very even keel. He does not cast aspersions. He does not pronounce judgement. But he does ask an interesting question,

If Reiner had not been arrested - if he and Viveinne were still conducting interviews with their committee - would how they handled the donations be OK?

My answer is no.

So we can focus on how corrupt the German judicial system is. No question.

And it is deplorable that Reiner could not be with his mother without being handcuffed. That goes without saying.

But this situation did not happen out of the blue. Questionable judgment gave the cartel ammunition.

We are up against mighty might forces.

I think of innocent men, women and children being deprived of food, water, sanitation, a home:, and being bombed and shot at on a daily basis as persecuted.

That is just my opinion.

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