Why did I post this? I think I was thinking of people who aren't interested in texture of "opinion" not of just being right, which actually means a lot to me. I lost all my friends. I was always told I was wrong. We all know the feeling. I won't post any more cryptic Camus quotes.... :) But I like his look of consternation over that newspaper.
Hi Celia! You can keep posting his quotes. I liked this one. Also, I, too have lost friends and some cousins who blocked me on Facebook and told me I was crazy. Not that I'm happy this is happening to them but almost all of them are constantly sick. It makes me wonder how long they're going to survive.
The thing is though, Celia, some things are a matter of opinion, eg, how the federal budget should be spent and others aren't, eg, whether the alleged pandemic is a complete fabrication or not.
The need to be right may be the sign of a vulgar mind....... or it may be the sign of someone who has been pushed around, lied to, abused, mandated, and accused of being a bad person.......who enjoys being vindicated.
Albert, good individualist he was, saw this “need to be right” as Herd behavior (etymology of vulgar “the common people, multitude, crowd, throng), as evinced by today’s Covid1984’s Bad Shepherds, their Police Dogs and the Sheeple they Ph/Farm. Substitute “need to control and be controlled” for fuller application.
As a good Ex-Existentialist, I grew up on Camus, coming to him mids 1960s after being thrown into freedom’s outlier bin by Sartre. Only in the last few years have I found quotes of his that surprised me with the depths of what I know as wisdom. My favorites:
“The only way to deal with an unfree world is to become so absolutely free that your very existence is an act of rebellion.” Albert Camus
“Whoever gives nothing, has nothing. The greatest misfortune is not to be unloved, but not to love.” Albert Camus
“To grow old is to pass from passion to compassion.” Albert Camus
“I rebel, therefore I exist.” Albert Camus
“What is a rebel? A man who says No; but whose refusal does not imply a renunciation. He is also a man who says Yes, from the moment he makes his first gesture of rebellion.” Albert Camus
Btw, this is, often and mistakenly, attributed to Albert but it seems it is best classified as anonymous:
“Don’t walk behind me; I may not lead. Don’t walk in front of me; I may not follow. Just walk beside me and be my friend.” Anonymous
This is his quote at the top of my blog post on the covid hoax.
"The welfare of the people ... has always been the alibi of tyrants, and it provides the further advantage of giving the servants of tyranny a good conscience."
During the Delta wave, upon requesting that one of our severely coughing doctors get herself tested before continuing to care for the 80-year-old post surgery patients, the head surgeon yelled at me: "Miss B has been vaccinated! There is absolutely no indication for her to be tested!"
I just sat back calmly and let him continue berating me, already having read the medical publications as well as the hospital requirements for symptomatic isolation and testing. His ignorance was apparent and was being displayed in front of the entire conference room of doctors.
I'm guessing he feels embarrassed at that memory now.
Regardless of the many answers to that question depending on everyone's different physical constitution, a surgical ward with immunologically-compromised parents and grandparents soon to be transferred to other senior care facilities is not ethically a forum to test our philosophies.
I am just thankful now that it is widespread established knowledge in scientific literature and the media that these shots do not prevent someone from contracting and spreading illness. Before that knowledge, we had the riskiest time in hospital work because the employees themselves, if they hadn't thought it through or read the available publications, were assuming that they could be of no danger to patients. So, zoom back to the days of not-washing-hands after dissecting corpses mentality.
With this newly established awareness, all of the people who were forced to choose between bodily autonomy and health or employment now have more solid ground to stand upon - because their vaccination status does nothing to help the people around them.
I’m having a hard time figuring out exactly what this quote means…
If “the need to be right” means the need to find and align oneself with what is really true, then that is a good thing. I DO want to be right. And if I am wrong, I want to listen to new evidence or information so that I will become more consistent with truth. I am willing and ready to change my mind if presented with compelling information or evidence. It’s not about “being right” and someone else “being wrong,” but about finding truth.
A few weeks ago, I attended the inaugural meeting of CHD New England. A man I know was there who had been completely convinced of the shots and everything about “covid” … until he had several cardiac events and ended up in the hospital. I guess even the doctors said he should not have been given the shots due to his medical history. Before leaving the CHD event, he said to a mutual friend that she was right and he was admitting it. I told him that it wasn’t about HER being right, but about HIM being right. What I meant was that our friend (who I guess he had been bombarding with pro-shot/pro-covid e-mails for months or years) didn’t care so much about being right or proving him wrong, but about him learning the truth.
After thinking about it, I realized what I would rather have said was that it wasn’t about who is right and who is wrong, but about all of us looking for and finding the truth.
One way I picture it is that there is a truth merry-go-round spinning or a truth bus driving around. Some people get on early, while others get on later. Some people never get on. THAT a person gets on is more important than WHEN they get on, although the sooner, the better for them and others that they might influence to stay off.
If “being right” is really more about proving someone else wrong, then it is about pride, not about finding truth. If “being right” is about searching for and finding truth, then it is a worthy goal.
About ten years ago, a young fellow I know (he was about 20 at the time) was talking about and promoting an essay that was written about how to win an argument. I don’t know for sure who the author was, but I think it was someone that is well-known. I vaguely remember reading part of it, and being absolutely disgusted at what was said. The mentality was about ARGUING better, not about looking for or discovering what is true. It was about how to talk circles around someone to “win an argument.” I quickly realized the author didn’t care about being right (as in aligning with truth), but just about “being right” - that is, winning an argument, even if he was wrong.
This reminds me of lawyers (liars) who will obfuscate, misrepresent, and suppress truth to get their guilty clients off and help them avoid justice. They are trying to “be right” (win the debate), but are doing everything in their power to not really “be right” (seek, reveal, find the truth).
So I guess the phrase “be right” could be defined in two very opposite ways. Some people want to “be right” without being correct or aligning with truth and facts; other people want to “be right” and are willing to accept new information and change their minds to align with truth.
Why did I post this? I think I was thinking of people who aren't interested in texture of "opinion" not of just being right, which actually means a lot to me. I lost all my friends. I was always told I was wrong. We all know the feeling. I won't post any more cryptic Camus quotes.... :) But I like his look of consternation over that newspaper.
I'm so sorry about the loss of all your friends, Celia. So many are with you in that boat.
Hi Celia! You can keep posting his quotes. I liked this one. Also, I, too have lost friends and some cousins who blocked me on Facebook and told me I was crazy. Not that I'm happy this is happening to them but almost all of them are constantly sick. It makes me wonder how long they're going to survive.
The thing is though, Celia, some things are a matter of opinion, eg, how the federal budget should be spent and others aren't, eg, whether the alleged pandemic is a complete fabrication or not.
I could have sworn that you called in sick just yesterday!
The need to be right may be the sign of a vulgar mind....... or it may be the sign of someone who has been pushed around, lied to, abused, mandated, and accused of being a bad person.......who enjoys being vindicated.
I only need to be right when I actually am right. If you prove me wrong, I can accept it. 🙂
Albert, good individualist he was, saw this “need to be right” as Herd behavior (etymology of vulgar “the common people, multitude, crowd, throng), as evinced by today’s Covid1984’s Bad Shepherds, their Police Dogs and the Sheeple they Ph/Farm. Substitute “need to control and be controlled” for fuller application.
As a good Ex-Existentialist, I grew up on Camus, coming to him mids 1960s after being thrown into freedom’s outlier bin by Sartre. Only in the last few years have I found quotes of his that surprised me with the depths of what I know as wisdom. My favorites:
“The only way to deal with an unfree world is to become so absolutely free that your very existence is an act of rebellion.” Albert Camus
“Whoever gives nothing, has nothing. The greatest misfortune is not to be unloved, but not to love.” Albert Camus
“To grow old is to pass from passion to compassion.” Albert Camus
“I rebel, therefore I exist.” Albert Camus
“What is a rebel? A man who says No; but whose refusal does not imply a renunciation. He is also a man who says Yes, from the moment he makes his first gesture of rebellion.” Albert Camus
Btw, this is, often and mistakenly, attributed to Albert but it seems it is best classified as anonymous:
“Don’t walk behind me; I may not lead. Don’t walk in front of me; I may not follow. Just walk beside me and be my friend.” Anonymous
https://quoteinvestigator.com/2015/08/23/friend/
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This is his quote at the top of my blog post on the covid hoax.
"The welfare of the people ... has always been the alibi of tyrants, and it provides the further advantage of giving the servants of tyranny a good conscience."
Albert Camus
https://occamsrazorterrorevents.weebly.com/blog/coronavirus-hoax-jan-2020
Aren't you supposed to be under the covers and resting???
yes. :)
It is a short piece...
Hell is other sheeple.
I was wrong once. It seems a few years ago I thought I made a mistake; but I was wrong ....... 😎
What a brilliant definition. Humility is being right sized.. that makes sense to me.
right on, i think.....oh, maybe not.
The need to be wrong is vulgar too. That's the scientific consensus should work under, right? Wrong?
I dunno just tell me what to think already.
You may be right
I may be crazy
Oh, but it just may be a lunatic you're looking for
Turn out the light
Don't try to save me
You may be wrong for all I know
But you may be right
-Billy Joel,
"You May Be Right"
https://youtu.be/Jo9t5XK0FhA
Yeah, the flip side is knowing you're right & letting the other person believe they are right by staying quiet. Argument avoided :)
That is my MO when my energy is low
During the Delta wave, upon requesting that one of our severely coughing doctors get herself tested before continuing to care for the 80-year-old post surgery patients, the head surgeon yelled at me: "Miss B has been vaccinated! There is absolutely no indication for her to be tested!"
I just sat back calmly and let him continue berating me, already having read the medical publications as well as the hospital requirements for symptomatic isolation and testing. His ignorance was apparent and was being displayed in front of the entire conference room of doctors.
I'm guessing he feels embarrassed at that memory now.
So does exposure -- to anything -- mean automatic symptomatic illness?
Regardless of the many answers to that question depending on everyone's different physical constitution, a surgical ward with immunologically-compromised parents and grandparents soon to be transferred to other senior care facilities is not ethically a forum to test our philosophies.
The question was a scientific one vs. a philosophical one.
I guess I don't understand your question. :)
I am just thankful now that it is widespread established knowledge in scientific literature and the media that these shots do not prevent someone from contracting and spreading illness. Before that knowledge, we had the riskiest time in hospital work because the employees themselves, if they hadn't thought it through or read the available publications, were assuming that they could be of no danger to patients. So, zoom back to the days of not-washing-hands after dissecting corpses mentality.
With this newly established awareness, all of the people who were forced to choose between bodily autonomy and health or employment now have more solid ground to stand upon - because their vaccination status does nothing to help the people around them.
Maybe
"Maybe I'm right, and maybe I'm wrong,
and maybe I'm weak, and maybe I'm strong.
But nevertheless I'm in love with you, Camus!
You may be wrong but you may be right.
That line right there, got me married! LOL!
I may not be right, but I'm never wrong...
I’m having a hard time figuring out exactly what this quote means…
If “the need to be right” means the need to find and align oneself with what is really true, then that is a good thing. I DO want to be right. And if I am wrong, I want to listen to new evidence or information so that I will become more consistent with truth. I am willing and ready to change my mind if presented with compelling information or evidence. It’s not about “being right” and someone else “being wrong,” but about finding truth.
A few weeks ago, I attended the inaugural meeting of CHD New England. A man I know was there who had been completely convinced of the shots and everything about “covid” … until he had several cardiac events and ended up in the hospital. I guess even the doctors said he should not have been given the shots due to his medical history. Before leaving the CHD event, he said to a mutual friend that she was right and he was admitting it. I told him that it wasn’t about HER being right, but about HIM being right. What I meant was that our friend (who I guess he had been bombarding with pro-shot/pro-covid e-mails for months or years) didn’t care so much about being right or proving him wrong, but about him learning the truth.
After thinking about it, I realized what I would rather have said was that it wasn’t about who is right and who is wrong, but about all of us looking for and finding the truth.
One way I picture it is that there is a truth merry-go-round spinning or a truth bus driving around. Some people get on early, while others get on later. Some people never get on. THAT a person gets on is more important than WHEN they get on, although the sooner, the better for them and others that they might influence to stay off.
If “being right” is really more about proving someone else wrong, then it is about pride, not about finding truth. If “being right” is about searching for and finding truth, then it is a worthy goal.
I didn't see your comment when I posted mine - you say what i think about being right more eloquently.
Well said, thank you!
That is how I read the Camus quote. The person Camus describes, IMO, has a mind impervious to truth.
About ten years ago, a young fellow I know (he was about 20 at the time) was talking about and promoting an essay that was written about how to win an argument. I don’t know for sure who the author was, but I think it was someone that is well-known. I vaguely remember reading part of it, and being absolutely disgusted at what was said. The mentality was about ARGUING better, not about looking for or discovering what is true. It was about how to talk circles around someone to “win an argument.” I quickly realized the author didn’t care about being right (as in aligning with truth), but just about “being right” - that is, winning an argument, even if he was wrong.
This reminds me of lawyers (liars) who will obfuscate, misrepresent, and suppress truth to get their guilty clients off and help them avoid justice. They are trying to “be right” (win the debate), but are doing everything in their power to not really “be right” (seek, reveal, find the truth).
So I guess the phrase “be right” could be defined in two very opposite ways. Some people want to “be right” without being correct or aligning with truth and facts; other people want to “be right” and are willing to accept new information and change their minds to align with truth.
I agree and practice what you preach.
"When an honest man discovers he is mistaken, he will either cease to be mistaken or cease to be honest." – Minister Fanning Yater Tant