In interview with Suzan Mazur, Lynn said, "People are always more loyal to their tribal group than to any abstract notion of truth. Scientists especially tend to be loyal to the tribe instead of the truth."
Celia so glad! Hey, I might not mind photosynthesis though as then preparing supper is getting the lawn chairs out and telling everyone to sit in the sun, lol. Merriness on your day!
Excellent interview Celia! I loved it, especially the part where she said she had no problem with men-lol! I worked with men my whole life (I’m 60)...I concur with her sentiments! Interesting...
SHE is on a different level! She’s somewhere else when she speaks...amazing! She absolutely has inner knowledge.
Amen! Celia, doing same. Working on a novel that might reach fiction readers like “The Constant Gardner” or “The Formula” or “Trust” or “Bonfire of the Vanities” - another way to “wake people up.” Applying the two years of research I have done to the fiction engenders such OUTRAGE... I can barely contain myself. I feel ya.
Isn't it above any human's paygrade to explain Life? Not enough gray matter. I find Margulies incomprehensible.
Can we start with American Indians calling other species "All our relations" (one of the bases for our current inability to comprehend Life, as our inability to understand death) -- in their qualitatively different understanding of Death? (I'm generalizing about Am Indians)
Seems to me Indo-Europeans -- their culture and values -- spread over the ancient world through superior horsemanship in war. They received their idea of the ideal society and biological world from their "sky gods": that of a tripartite, hierarchical social and biological world of the innately superior (them) and the innately inferiority (others). This not only permitted them to destroy Nature-as- thing.
But the shamanic Sky God theory of Life was also a false and cowardly way of dealing with Death/their own demise -- through projecting the qualities of death/weakness/powerlessness onto the innately inferior....
Which led to the frivolous and bloody destruction of allegedly inferior peoples and Nature
(= Ecological problems today).
The opposite of this specious IE dualism e.g. the Am Indians believing other species as "relations" is only 50% okay, in terms of dealing with human death/fears of death.
On the one hand, the AI theory is good, in that one doesn't have to inferiorize that which one hunts for food -- just in order to deal with the idea of (one's own) death.
On the other hand, equalizing other species with humans leads today to the Gaia/"ecological" excuse to commit mass murder or depopulate most of the human species, in order to "save" other species. Equally psychologically unworkable.
The present-day scions of the Indo- Europeans are spuriously using the idea of "Gaia" (which they really dont believe in) -- to rule the earth they destroyed/destroy by inferiorizing Nature in the first place (with their tripartite social hierarchies) -- i.e. through their inability to deal with their own deaths except through their false superiority.
Its an illusion/ delusion to try to "cast" death/violence/violation "over there", as "belonging" over there with the inferior Other (and its synonyms, Nature, other people, females, other lower species).
These globalists are necessarily Transhumanists trying to "transcend death". Hybrid human-animal genetics, cyborgs.... Still.
Can't transcend death either, by denying humans have a soul (See Yuval Noah Harari of WEF). That leaves Yuval with only a "piece of meat" that was himself, after he dies.
And its a lie anyway.
Margulies has something to do with Gaia. But her theory is way above my i.q. I'm afraid. Or, there's a good possibility this chat is.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/4084864/#:~:text=The%20planarian%20is%20the%20simplest,that%20decussate%20to%20form%20commissures. I got hyper focused on your statement 'not enough grey matter" and wonder.....is the Corpus Callosum, that nerve band linking the two hemisphere of our split brain, actually, a Flat Worm LOL!! From the Indigenous perspective of, 'all my Kin', they are saying, in my perspective, exactly what Marguils is 'theorizing'.....we are ALL that. We are homogenous in Nature:) I do agree with you that we Humans have a great Fear of our own mortality....hence the forward march towards immortality and the transmuted transhuman grasps at saving its own life....the ultimate in survival, thanks to that other part of our grey matter, the Amygdala.
Feel the outrage Celia, really feel it, don't shy away or try to justify or deny it. You, as with many others have earnt the right to FEEL that powerful rage. Then decide how to channel it, because to not let that energy continue to move, to let it stagnate, ruminate, it turns the cells toxic, breaks DNA strands and you have been called to duty,you need to be fully functioning on all levels.😉
Though appreciative of the scientific approach of Ms. Margulis, her symbiogenesis hypothesis fails to address the fundamental problem, the original source of the genome information. The usual textbook explanation is that somehow the information and the living organism containing that information "emerged" from a broth of molten rock. And, given the miraculous emergence of the living organism, the most complex and ordered organization of things known to man, is it more sensible to believe a random explosion created the equivalent of New York City, or that it was created by an intelligent creator? Frankly, no scientific discipline, whether biology, geology, astronomy, genetics, anthopology or any other, has any more scientific evidence for a non-divine creation than virology has scientific evidence for the existence of so-called "viruses." Protestations aside, ask for that scientific evidence of non-divine creation and you will get the same evasive answers we get from the "virus" true believers. Merry Christmas.
The works of Margulis and Seneff are the reason, I think, that we now know about the importance of the shikimate pathway, and how Monsanto is going to go down for the crime of glyphosate. I hope.
Hi Celia, you might want to get in touch with me about dealing with that dragon of rage - how to turn that into fuel. The dragon of rage may incinerate those feeling it (as desired by the evil-doers) - or act as fuel. If there is a dragon of rage inside you, it also sounds as if you have kept the rage in a cage for a long time, feeding that dragon and now allowing it to come forth and incinerate those it wants to incinerate. I suggest you talk with me.
Elsa, I think you are right. I thank you and accept. I had a line that I deleted and the line was "I need to talk to a psychiatrist."
This book has been a real test, let's just say. The conditions around it have left me very angry at myself for not being somebody who can have help, I always have to be alone, mentally and physically. I stay up all night until I feel nauseous. The mind is not governed. I am not free. Abandonment rage. I never dreamed it would be this much work OR this much avoidance, which is actually a form of caring if you think of it. And then "something" does not care back. My whole life is obligations and debt, things I have not done, things I was too slow with, things I forgot. That's the rage. It's like lack of architecture in mind to know how to get from point a to point b, and lack of "caring" for oneself, and always becoming broke and always overdoing everything and also letting everybody down, all at the same time.
Celia, your honesty is beautiful. Rare these days and so appreciated . I have one of those wet markers and lately I’ve been writing on my mirrors. Sometimes it’s just a word. Sometimes a sentence, but it’s always something which feels profound. Many times I write your words or something you’ve shared. The other day, I had an electrician over and he noticed the writing. He smiled and stood there for a while. It was a moment. He smiled and said nothing. He didn’t have to. I felt his shift. Moments come and go but stay forever. The subtle is so underrated. You are making a difference and I wish you peace. Have you ever read, Journey of Souls” by Dr. Michael Newton?
Please talk with me so you start making some dents in this. By the way, why are you, jow are you "not being somebody who can have help." I'm not suggesting that, here, you try answering. But I know that "not being somebody who can have help." is not helpful to you, nor anyone else. So again, I'm glad you accept - which means, I believe, connecting with me.
Do not be so harsh on yourself - we all are imperfect, and can only strive towards perfection (a true Sisyphean task). You are in the hands of God. Just ask, and He will provide.
In interview with Suzan Mazur, Lynn said, "People are always more loyal to their tribal group than to any abstract notion of truth. Scientists especially tend to be loyal to the tribe instead of the truth."
Her Green photosynthetic worms reminded me of this silly verse from childhood:
I never saw a purple cow, I never
hope to see one. But I can tell
you anyhow I'd rather see
than be one!
(My anti-vax statement, also☺️)
Ellen that made me laugh out loud. I have to share that with Doug, he collects things like this.
Celia so glad! Hey, I might not mind photosynthesis though as then preparing supper is getting the lawn chairs out and telling everyone to sit in the sun, lol. Merriness on your day!
Excellent interview Celia! I loved it, especially the part where she said she had no problem with men-lol! I worked with men my whole life (I’m 60)...I concur with her sentiments! Interesting...
SHE is on a different level! She’s somewhere else when she speaks...amazing! She absolutely has inner knowledge.
She, and her daughter are marvelous women, in every sense.😊
Both courageous, and full of grace.
Amen! Celia, doing same. Working on a novel that might reach fiction readers like “The Constant Gardner” or “The Formula” or “Trust” or “Bonfire of the Vanities” - another way to “wake people up.” Applying the two years of research I have done to the fiction engenders such OUTRAGE... I can barely contain myself. I feel ya.
Thank you, Celia, so much for what you are doing!! God bless you!!
Thank you for this.
Isn't it above any human's paygrade to explain Life? Not enough gray matter. I find Margulies incomprehensible.
Can we start with American Indians calling other species "All our relations" (one of the bases for our current inability to comprehend Life, as our inability to understand death) -- in their qualitatively different understanding of Death? (I'm generalizing about Am Indians)
Seems to me Indo-Europeans -- their culture and values -- spread over the ancient world through superior horsemanship in war. They received their idea of the ideal society and biological world from their "sky gods": that of a tripartite, hierarchical social and biological world of the innately superior (them) and the innately inferiority (others). This not only permitted them to destroy Nature-as- thing.
But the shamanic Sky God theory of Life was also a false and cowardly way of dealing with Death/their own demise -- through projecting the qualities of death/weakness/powerlessness onto the innately inferior....
Which led to the frivolous and bloody destruction of allegedly inferior peoples and Nature
(= Ecological problems today).
The opposite of this specious IE dualism e.g. the Am Indians believing other species as "relations" is only 50% okay, in terms of dealing with human death/fears of death.
On the one hand, the AI theory is good, in that one doesn't have to inferiorize that which one hunts for food -- just in order to deal with the idea of (one's own) death.
On the other hand, equalizing other species with humans leads today to the Gaia/"ecological" excuse to commit mass murder or depopulate most of the human species, in order to "save" other species. Equally psychologically unworkable.
The present-day scions of the Indo- Europeans are spuriously using the idea of "Gaia" (which they really dont believe in) -- to rule the earth they destroyed/destroy by inferiorizing Nature in the first place (with their tripartite social hierarchies) -- i.e. through their inability to deal with their own deaths except through their false superiority.
Its an illusion/ delusion to try to "cast" death/violence/violation "over there", as "belonging" over there with the inferior Other (and its synonyms, Nature, other people, females, other lower species).
These globalists are necessarily Transhumanists trying to "transcend death". Hybrid human-animal genetics, cyborgs.... Still.
Can't transcend death either, by denying humans have a soul (See Yuval Noah Harari of WEF). That leaves Yuval with only a "piece of meat" that was himself, after he dies.
And its a lie anyway.
Margulies has something to do with Gaia. But her theory is way above my i.q. I'm afraid. Or, there's a good possibility this chat is.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/4084864/#:~:text=The%20planarian%20is%20the%20simplest,that%20decussate%20to%20form%20commissures. I got hyper focused on your statement 'not enough grey matter" and wonder.....is the Corpus Callosum, that nerve band linking the two hemisphere of our split brain, actually, a Flat Worm LOL!! From the Indigenous perspective of, 'all my Kin', they are saying, in my perspective, exactly what Marguils is 'theorizing'.....we are ALL that. We are homogenous in Nature:) I do agree with you that we Humans have a great Fear of our own mortality....hence the forward march towards immortality and the transmuted transhuman grasps at saving its own life....the ultimate in survival, thanks to that other part of our grey matter, the Amygdala.
Feel the outrage Celia, really feel it, don't shy away or try to justify or deny it. You, as with many others have earnt the right to FEEL that powerful rage. Then decide how to channel it, because to not let that energy continue to move, to let it stagnate, ruminate, it turns the cells toxic, breaks DNA strands and you have been called to duty,you need to be fully functioning on all levels.😉
#feelitanduseit #warriorup #wearemany #wearememory #wewillnotforgive #mistakeswereNOTmade #getlocalised
Though appreciative of the scientific approach of Ms. Margulis, her symbiogenesis hypothesis fails to address the fundamental problem, the original source of the genome information. The usual textbook explanation is that somehow the information and the living organism containing that information "emerged" from a broth of molten rock. And, given the miraculous emergence of the living organism, the most complex and ordered organization of things known to man, is it more sensible to believe a random explosion created the equivalent of New York City, or that it was created by an intelligent creator? Frankly, no scientific discipline, whether biology, geology, astronomy, genetics, anthopology or any other, has any more scientific evidence for a non-divine creation than virology has scientific evidence for the existence of so-called "viruses." Protestations aside, ask for that scientific evidence of non-divine creation and you will get the same evasive answers we get from the "virus" true believers. Merry Christmas.
The works of Margulis and Seneff are the reason, I think, that we now know about the importance of the shikimate pathway, and how Monsanto is going to go down for the crime of glyphosate. I hope.
I love Lynn Margulis! Thanks for sharing this interview.
I've been told that none of this (our perception) is real.
Holy hell! The green algae of vax taking over the world
Hi Celia, you might want to get in touch with me about dealing with that dragon of rage - how to turn that into fuel. The dragon of rage may incinerate those feeling it (as desired by the evil-doers) - or act as fuel. If there is a dragon of rage inside you, it also sounds as if you have kept the rage in a cage for a long time, feeding that dragon and now allowing it to come forth and incinerate those it wants to incinerate. I suggest you talk with me.
Elsa, I think you are right. I thank you and accept. I had a line that I deleted and the line was "I need to talk to a psychiatrist."
This book has been a real test, let's just say. The conditions around it have left me very angry at myself for not being somebody who can have help, I always have to be alone, mentally and physically. I stay up all night until I feel nauseous. The mind is not governed. I am not free. Abandonment rage. I never dreamed it would be this much work OR this much avoidance, which is actually a form of caring if you think of it. And then "something" does not care back. My whole life is obligations and debt, things I have not done, things I was too slow with, things I forgot. That's the rage. It's like lack of architecture in mind to know how to get from point a to point b, and lack of "caring" for oneself, and always becoming broke and always overdoing everything and also letting everybody down, all at the same time.
Celia, your honesty is beautiful. Rare these days and so appreciated . I have one of those wet markers and lately I’ve been writing on my mirrors. Sometimes it’s just a word. Sometimes a sentence, but it’s always something which feels profound. Many times I write your words or something you’ve shared. The other day, I had an electrician over and he noticed the writing. He smiled and stood there for a while. It was a moment. He smiled and said nothing. He didn’t have to. I felt his shift. Moments come and go but stay forever. The subtle is so underrated. You are making a difference and I wish you peace. Have you ever read, Journey of Souls” by Dr. Michael Newton?
Please talk with me so you start making some dents in this. By the way, why are you, jow are you "not being somebody who can have help." I'm not suggesting that, here, you try answering. But I know that "not being somebody who can have help." is not helpful to you, nor anyone else. So again, I'm glad you accept - which means, I believe, connecting with me.
Do not be so harsh on yourself - we all are imperfect, and can only strive towards perfection (a true Sisyphean task). You are in the hands of God. Just ask, and He will provide.
Go girl!
Greetings from "Lower Alabama," a.k.a. the Florida Panhandle. Here we have the advantage of being in Florida and the 𝑺𝒐𝒖𝒕𝒉 -- at the same time. ;)