To answer your question Celia, in a way, it’s not surprising at all that conservatives weren’t creeped out by Bush. About three weeks ago at dinner, a Christian conservative friend flat out told me she wanted ALL babies, toddlers, schoolchildren, teens and adults in Gaza, DEAD. “Flatten it,!”she screeched. “Glass it and make it a parking lot!” I sat there, stunned, unable to eat my dinner. I said, “Babies and little kids aren’t Hamas…” And she replied, “THEY ARE ALL GUILTY and they need to be DEAD.” That was a gut punch, to be sure. I am an independent voter who moved from a blue state to a red state during the Covidian madness and this woman has been kind to me throughout the last year here in our new home state. But I can’t look at her the same way again… Makes me so sad. I think of those poor kids every single day and night. With love.
I strongly believe that God created us so He could have fellowship with us, His children. I am an old man who lost a son when he was almost 21 while he was hunting ducks, something he loved to do. I now have 2 sons remaining and a daughter. They are all precious to me and I love to have fellowship with them. It grieves me to contemplate losing another offspring and I believe my Father in Heaven has a similar feeling for His children on Earth. He loves every one of them and I am sure He grieves when He sees them murder each other. As members of this human race we need to deeply value human life.
Thank you Celia. He was apprenticing as an auto mechanic/technician, but he lived/loved to fish and hunt. He died in 1988 and it still hurts all these years later, but it seems less and less each year. Our comfort is knowing that he's in a better place now, but we still miss him, and we absolutely love talking about him.
Read Diana West's recent essay on that Original Original Gangsta. The money quote in the article:
"After his enforced departure from the Agency [the CIA] in 1973, [James] Angleton publicly stated with qualified precision that Kissinger was “objectively, a Soviet agent.”
Mel, that's absolutely astounding and very traumatizing. I've written about this mental implant. It is perhaps the darkest one yet planted into people. Are people becoming psychotic genocidal robots who don't even feign restraint for genocidal ideation as DINNER PARTIES?
She actually said "glass it?" I wrote about this some weeks ago, the "glass it" escalation. This is abjectly disgusting, what this person said. Screamed, I mean. Did anybody else say anything?
Christians are not acting very Christian lately. Conservatives are taking all kinds of Masonic/NWO bait, and confusing it with not being a lefty/communist, ie "conservatism." I'm not sure if I'm insane or everybody else is, but I don't feel insane. I wonder if they feel insane. Probably not. That's the conundrum.
Yes, she actually said, “GLASS IT!”which I knew she had likely heard from some right wing talk show host. I don’t know who said that originally and I remember you reporting on those words, which was why, when I heard her actually say “Glass it!” I knew she’d been listening to some complete freak like Ben Shapiro, or Jesse Waters, or somebody of that low caliber. This lady sees herself as very God-loving. She always wears a Christian cross. She goes to church on Sundays. But heck, I’m more of “Christian” than she is and I don’t do any of those things. I agree that Christians are not acting very Christian lately. You’re not insane, but you, me, and a whole bunch of other sane people are indeed living within a real insane asylum, surrounded by truly mentally ill people. Covid brought it all out in the open and everyone has been injured in some way or another. This lady did not take the Covid bait, the “vaccines” or any of the Covidian bs, but she sure as hell took the bait on what to believe about thousands of dead children, whom she appears to deeply loathe. I’ll never understand it, as long as I live. But I am not going to give up on her, I’ve already decided. I’m going to work on her mind virus instead, slowly, kindly, and inexorably. I refuse to believe someone has so much hate inside of themselves. I bet she’d pick up and comfort an injured, crying Palestinian baby or child if one were lying right in front of her. And I’m going to tell her that, next I have the chance! Cheers, Celia.
Good-on-Ya, Mel. The demonic-thought-entity is not the core human consciousness, but a soul parasite, which things seem to feed upon "Loosh" energy, the energy released in anguished human suffering. https://theethicalskeptic.com/2023/11/25/what-is-loosh/
Hey John, it’s your “Mel” in South Carolina, if you haven’t already guessed, your long ago friend from college. Thank you for your kind comments. I loved this article by ethical skeptic.
The pro-Israel Narrative is the latest flavor of Industrial Complex promoted by what I reasonably infer is an international Cabal. Covid, Climate Change, Critical Race Theory, Transgenderism, Ukraine -- now Israel. It's amusing to watch these people who opposed all the other Narratives except the latest flavor, which they apparently think is magically untouched by the same internationally coordinated process all the other Narratives have been part of. A huge factor in this inconsistency I chalk up to Goyim trepidation about uttering anything which their Masters might call "anti-Semitic".
What's interesting is that from my estimation, about 90% of the Alt-Sphere is standing with Israel and, at best, giving winking tacit approval to the "turn it into a parking lot" meme which bubbles along effervescently within the Alt-Sphere. And since the Alt-Sphere has become energized into self-identify over the past 3 years first by Covid and then by all the "Woke" phenomena (which is only deceptively fringe but actually promoted by the Mainstream, which we reasonably infer is Leftist), they find simple-minded reinforcement of their pro-Israel jingoism by the spectacle of "Woke" groups demonstrating against Israel.
The Alt-Pundits and their followers don't seem to realize or care that the same Mainstream they've been bitching about for 3 years is agreeing with them to stand with Israel.
Judge Napolitano is one pundit. His being critical of Israel doesn't disprove my estimation that about 90% are pro-Israel, as he could be part of the 10%.
Also, another curious feature I've noticed about the Alt-Sphere, if my estimation is correct that about 90% are pro-Israel (and thus go along with the Mainstream they otherwise condemn) and 10% tilt anti-Israel: None of the 90% ever acknowledge even the existence of the 10% of their colleagues who disagree; and vice-versa!
I've lost my appetite for lesser (but in the same vein) comments. Exposure and the reality to this kind of individual is what keeps a lot of us from sleeping at night. In the distance of years and places past, to hear people refer to the less fortunate --always in places we could not see-- it would cause some distress in the gut and I would avoid such people, but we have finally come the realization of how bad it really is. Part of the "new-order" agenda is to divide human relationship. Much love to you. I hope you find community that you can truly trust.
Thank you, Alison. I know I will. In the meantime, as several weeks have passed, I try and give her a bit of grace as she was highly emotional that night and the media reporting she watches reports lots of war propaganda (like the 40 beheaded babies story that was false, among others). If I want to continue being her friend, I might have to put her comments on a back burner in my own mind and insist to her face when the subject comes up, that she’s “better than that.” Let her rise to the occasion. I might remind her that “thou shalt not kill,” “blessed are the peacemakers,” and the “do unto others” quote were not meant to be suggestions in her Christian religious world…and see where that lands!
Mel, thank you for that reply. I will pray that I am able to call upon such principle quotes to anyone who says such things that would cause me to be repelled. The hard work is just beginning. Bless you.
Yeah, well the conservative Christian friend also said they put “babies in ovens and baked them,” (also false) so I’m inclined to figure that just like the Iraqi war propaganda where “babies were thrown out of incubators to the floor” is just like THIS propaganda. In WWII, it was “babies on bayonets!” It’s always babies, because babies are innocent, sweet little creatures that most sane and feeling people have a great deal of love for.
All these various claims of monstrous evil that have formed parts of the pro-Israel Narrative as far as I know have not been proven false -- but they also have not been proven true. In such a situation, I decide, or tilt, in the direction opposite from what the Western Mainstream seems to be promoting, which in this case is the pro-Israel Narrative.
More propaganda. Israel is acting like a terrorist state, just as the USA does so often. If someone stole my land and home, I’m not going to speculate on how I would respond. Enough said. Goodbye.
Both sides are mired in propaganda and disinformation. But only one side has the blessing of the same Mainstream that gave us Covid, Climate Change, Transgenders, and Ukraine.
Lol. No. Do a deep history dive, if you can take it… Those lands were inhabited by Muslims, Jews, and yes, Christians, for too many hundreds to thousands of years to count.
The Holy Land area was apparently held by Canaanites before the nascent Israelites conquered the land. Millennial vicissitudes later, it was taken over by waves of different Empires -- Babylonian, Assyrian, Persian, Macedonian, Roman (which in the meantime, by the 4th century AD, transformed into a Christian Empire), and finally by the Islamic Empire in the 7th century, which with astonishing speed and violence took over the entire Middle East, North Africa, and the Iberian Peninsula (with every intention to continue inward to conquer all Europe -- as Belgian historian Henri Pirenne said in the 1920s (to paraphrase), "If Christian armies had not succeeded in repelling the advance of Muslim armies from Spain into the heart of Europe in the 8th century, I would be delivering this lecture today in Arabic."). The Crusades were defensive battles against this -- and were belated because the Christians weren't able to get their shit together until some 300+ years later. Meanwhle, Muslims held the Holy Land right up to the early 20th century, when WW1 allowed the Colonial powers of the West to definitively step in and draw national boundaries that did not exist within the Ottoman geography.
Thanks, Hersperado. You’ve said it well. It was and has been always, just about everyone’s lands. If we go by the “they were here first” explanation, then us Americans who are not Native Americans, should be run off our lands, run out of our homes, made to live in an apartheid state by a fascist Native government. Not gonna happen. And it shouldn’t. And it won’t.
The Jews of the Levant are genetically indistinguishable from the Palestinians of the Levant, but those who originated in Europe are genetically distinguishable, "different".
What defines a Jew? Seems tribal, since not strictly religious or genetic.
Judaism dates to great antiquity, with an oral tradition that is nearly 4,000 years old and written texts that may be older than the Sanskrit and Avestan texts of Hinduism and Zoroastrianism. For example, the Pentateuch (the first five books of the Bible) has some written elements that are thought to have originated in the mid-2nd millennium BCE.
And the Zionists want all the Palestinians dead, so now you're in a genocidal tie. Until people like you start recognizing our common humanity enough to shake off that brainswashing we have no hope of overcoming this evil. Dehumanizing people is the problem, not what you project onto a bunch of innocent women and children.
The Palestinians want all the Jews dead. Other Middle East countries don’t want the Palestinians. Their mantra…from the river to the sea…means they want Jews dead.
Your ideology is the problem. You can't condone the killing of women and children because one day they MIGHT think that. AND you can't tell me Netanyahoooo isn't committing ethnic cleansing, same difference!
Hamas committing ethnic cleansing is okay with you, but Israel defending itself and eliminating the problem isn’t.
We don’t know how many people were killed because Hamas lies about everything.
Israel is the size of NJ. The rest of the Middle East is huge in comparison. Israel isn’t the bully.
From the river to the sea is their mantra….Rashida Tlaib was censured for using in the House. Aran countries won’t accept Palestinian refugees from Gaza.
Tell that to the Moslems who lived in Iran under Mossadek (sp?) The entire region was a helluva lot more peace loving than it is today. But we, US, certainly F’d that up didn’t we. And did the Zionists have a hand in that “Great Middle East Reset?”
I tend to disbelieve the notion that the Middle East was "more peaceful" back in the old days -- and the main reason I disbelieve it is because the Western Mainstream has been promoting that idea -- and a tissue of related ideas whitewashing Islam and its history -- for decades. As philosopher Jacques Ellul complained in the 1980s (and he knew European Academe): "You can't criticize Islam anymore!" I.e., already in the 1980s, this politically correct framework was afoot, promoted by the Mainstream (Academe being one of the sectors of the Mainstream, along with governments, news media, big business, big medicine, arts & entertainment, etc.).
The "Conservatives" in question were mostly smoked out by the Trump phenomenon, and the term RINO was coined to describe them. A better illustration of this probably cannot be found than this little video made a couple of years ago by the Arch-Darth Vader of Evil Conservatives Himself, attacking Donald Trump:
My wish is for there to be a transformation in the hearts and minds of the people who live on this planet. As long as we fan the flames of hatred, greed, vengeance and apathy, this is what we will continue to face and so will the future generations. Is that what we want? I think not but we get tricked so easily by the masters of war and deception. I’ve shared this post by Charles Eisenstein with many people. So far nobody has disagreed with it. Please read and share. https://open.substack.com/pub/charleseisenstein/p/a-story-told-a-hundred-thousand-times?r=59dck&utm_medium=ios&utm_campaign=post
Some of the Gazans is an understatement; it amounts to some 40 per cent. It is quite intentional to label the Palestinians as Muslim and nothing but, just to stoke the hatred unlimited. Yet another utilitarian distortion of reality.
All of them a cabal of repulsive liars! Now they are using 'covid' as another virtue signaling attribute! These people nauseate me!! Thank you, Celia. I don't know how you don't lose your mind. I have so much respect for you and Tessa Lena and Vigilant Fox & Anne Can't Stand It, and the growing number of people who are exposing these hypocrites! I was threatened with a 'Restriction Order', from a Children's Health Institution here in SF, because I called to them to expose their criminality. Threats and lies, is all they've got!
Yes. I vaguely remember the speech that was edited. Obama was actually describing a belief system that he said others in positions of power held, which he was challenging. A very selective edit and distortion of context.
You made me curious about the unedited clip, though. It might be one of the times when Obama was actually telling us a truth we should've paid more attention to at the time. He did that a few times. I wasn't, nor am I now a fan or supporter of Obama. But he's told truths that I didn't want to believe when he first told them. Like when he told the truth about the Citizen's United SCOTUS ruling, what it would mean for our elections. And I don't think after the 2020 election (and society since 2016) anyone can say Obama was wrong. Here's a Stack I shared with the State of the Union video clip on the Citizen's United decision where he told us truth:
The "truths" Obama may have told once or twice is an optical illlusion, reinforced by the uncritical and perhaps incoherent merging of old school anti-Establishment Leftism (whose heroes are MLK Jr., Malcolm X, Angela Davis, then morphing into assorted motley communists) -- a style of Leftism from which Obama over his lifetime has drunk deeply -- with the more recent anti-Establishment consciousness galvanized by the anti-Covid movement.
I'm of the persuasion that his "truths" he's told have been of a biblical nature, where Satan is required to disclose his intentions to us so that we agree to follow his path of our own volition. He warns us first. If we don't heed his truthful warning then we consent to follow his word instead of God's word. Many on the right ignored Obama's warnings, to our own regret. We believed in a false notion of "teams", Team R vs. Team D. If Team D wanted it then Team R had to oppose it. A sucker's bet. Few people are like Johnny who take the Devil's bet and make him regret it. The Devil gets many souls from bad bettors.
It's proof that both "sides of the aisle" are in on world domination and subjugation of its citizens to serfdom. They want everyone to work in the anthill for the good of the colony. The Heads of State are all puppets.
I despise Obomba, but that video clip looked to me like a total fake to embarrass gullible conspiracy analysts. I also noted that your comment link to this post didn't work which I found odd.
HRC was supposed to complete the eight years of America’s destruction after Ovomit. He didn’t stop anything. He had a 16 year plan that she was intended to complete after him. Trump foiled her plans when he was elected. She is one of the most evil people, but so is Ovomit.
FYI, as the UN and its affiliates (WEF, WHO, Gates Fdn, Soros Fdn, Clinton Fdn etc, Blair, Sunak, Blackface, Biden etc ) are 100% immune from any sort of prosecution, essentially as they believe they are in a position to enforce, or at least try to enforce (as they are currently), their policies. Case in point is the WHO Pandemic Response which will be finally voted on in May 2024 - no one asked for it, so an 85% privately owned entity will simply ram it down our throats. However, they assume the sheeple will go along with their crap, but even sheeple have a limit, so I would take bets that it will fail, like everything else they have tried to foist on us.
I was about to enter a comment to ask about the source of the clip and its verifiability, when you took it down! Thank you Celia.
Don't you just hate that phrase, which I won't repeat - those three words alone could be enough to alarm people into thinking, taking the propaganda phrase apart.
To answer your question Celia, in a way, it’s not surprising at all that conservatives weren’t creeped out by Bush. About three weeks ago at dinner, a Christian conservative friend flat out told me she wanted ALL babies, toddlers, schoolchildren, teens and adults in Gaza, DEAD. “Flatten it,!”she screeched. “Glass it and make it a parking lot!” I sat there, stunned, unable to eat my dinner. I said, “Babies and little kids aren’t Hamas…” And she replied, “THEY ARE ALL GUILTY and they need to be DEAD.” That was a gut punch, to be sure. I am an independent voter who moved from a blue state to a red state during the Covidian madness and this woman has been kind to me throughout the last year here in our new home state. But I can’t look at her the same way again… Makes me so sad. I think of those poor kids every single day and night. With love.
I strongly believe that God created us so He could have fellowship with us, His children. I am an old man who lost a son when he was almost 21 while he was hunting ducks, something he loved to do. I now have 2 sons remaining and a daughter. They are all precious to me and I love to have fellowship with them. It grieves me to contemplate losing another offspring and I believe my Father in Heaven has a similar feeling for His children on Earth. He loves every one of them and I am sure He grieves when He sees them murder each other. As members of this human race we need to deeply value human life.
I am so very sorry for your loss.
Thank you Celia. He was apprenticing as an auto mechanic/technician, but he lived/loved to fish and hunt. He died in 1988 and it still hurts all these years later, but it seems less and less each year. Our comfort is knowing that he's in a better place now, but we still miss him, and we absolutely love talking about him.
You'd need to be a deity to be able to love Henry Kissinger, for example. I can't do it.
He was very polarizing. Many did love him and many hated him.
Read Diana West's recent essay on that Original Original Gangsta. The money quote in the article:
"After his enforced departure from the Agency [the CIA] in 1973, [James] Angleton publicly stated with qualified precision that Kissinger was “objectively, a Soviet agent.”
https://dianawest.net/Home/tabid/36/EntryId/4731/Will-Doubts-About-Kissinger-Die-With-Him.aspx
Love Diana West; a very rare American diamond.
if they loved him it's that they'd been completely fooled by him.
Mel, that's absolutely astounding and very traumatizing. I've written about this mental implant. It is perhaps the darkest one yet planted into people. Are people becoming psychotic genocidal robots who don't even feign restraint for genocidal ideation as DINNER PARTIES?
She actually said "glass it?" I wrote about this some weeks ago, the "glass it" escalation. This is abjectly disgusting, what this person said. Screamed, I mean. Did anybody else say anything?
Christians are not acting very Christian lately. Conservatives are taking all kinds of Masonic/NWO bait, and confusing it with not being a lefty/communist, ie "conservatism." I'm not sure if I'm insane or everybody else is, but I don't feel insane. I wonder if they feel insane. Probably not. That's the conundrum.
Yes, she actually said, “GLASS IT!”which I knew she had likely heard from some right wing talk show host. I don’t know who said that originally and I remember you reporting on those words, which was why, when I heard her actually say “Glass it!” I knew she’d been listening to some complete freak like Ben Shapiro, or Jesse Waters, or somebody of that low caliber. This lady sees herself as very God-loving. She always wears a Christian cross. She goes to church on Sundays. But heck, I’m more of “Christian” than she is and I don’t do any of those things. I agree that Christians are not acting very Christian lately. You’re not insane, but you, me, and a whole bunch of other sane people are indeed living within a real insane asylum, surrounded by truly mentally ill people. Covid brought it all out in the open and everyone has been injured in some way or another. This lady did not take the Covid bait, the “vaccines” or any of the Covidian bs, but she sure as hell took the bait on what to believe about thousands of dead children, whom she appears to deeply loathe. I’ll never understand it, as long as I live. But I am not going to give up on her, I’ve already decided. I’m going to work on her mind virus instead, slowly, kindly, and inexorably. I refuse to believe someone has so much hate inside of themselves. I bet she’d pick up and comfort an injured, crying Palestinian baby or child if one were lying right in front of her. And I’m going to tell her that, next I have the chance! Cheers, Celia.
Good-on-Ya, Mel. The demonic-thought-entity is not the core human consciousness, but a soul parasite, which things seem to feed upon "Loosh" energy, the energy released in anguished human suffering. https://theethicalskeptic.com/2023/11/25/what-is-loosh/
Hey John, it’s your “Mel” in South Carolina, if you haven’t already guessed, your long ago friend from college. Thank you for your kind comments. I loved this article by ethical skeptic.
Thanks Mel. I had not guessed.
I know more than one "Mel", and I did not think it was the other one.
:-)
The pro-Israel Narrative is the latest flavor of Industrial Complex promoted by what I reasonably infer is an international Cabal. Covid, Climate Change, Critical Race Theory, Transgenderism, Ukraine -- now Israel. It's amusing to watch these people who opposed all the other Narratives except the latest flavor, which they apparently think is magically untouched by the same internationally coordinated process all the other Narratives have been part of. A huge factor in this inconsistency I chalk up to Goyim trepidation about uttering anything which their Masters might call "anti-Semitic".
What's interesting is that from my estimation, about 90% of the Alt-Sphere is standing with Israel and, at best, giving winking tacit approval to the "turn it into a parking lot" meme which bubbles along effervescently within the Alt-Sphere. And since the Alt-Sphere has become energized into self-identify over the past 3 years first by Covid and then by all the "Woke" phenomena (which is only deceptively fringe but actually promoted by the Mainstream, which we reasonably infer is Leftist), they find simple-minded reinforcement of their pro-Israel jingoism by the spectacle of "Woke" groups demonstrating against Israel.
The Alt-Pundits and their followers don't seem to realize or care that the same Mainstream they've been bitching about for 3 years is agreeing with them to stand with Israel.
Perhaps you frequent the wrong places, and need to watch more of Judge Napolitano to get the hang of where the true Alt-Sphere rests?
Judge Napolitano is one pundit. His being critical of Israel doesn't disprove my estimation that about 90% are pro-Israel, as he could be part of the 10%.
Also, another curious feature I've noticed about the Alt-Sphere, if my estimation is correct that about 90% are pro-Israel (and thus go along with the Mainstream they otherwise condemn) and 10% tilt anti-Israel: None of the 90% ever acknowledge even the existence of the 10% of their colleagues who disagree; and vice-versa!
I've lost my appetite for lesser (but in the same vein) comments. Exposure and the reality to this kind of individual is what keeps a lot of us from sleeping at night. In the distance of years and places past, to hear people refer to the less fortunate --always in places we could not see-- it would cause some distress in the gut and I would avoid such people, but we have finally come the realization of how bad it really is. Part of the "new-order" agenda is to divide human relationship. Much love to you. I hope you find community that you can truly trust.
Thank you, Alison. I know I will. In the meantime, as several weeks have passed, I try and give her a bit of grace as she was highly emotional that night and the media reporting she watches reports lots of war propaganda (like the 40 beheaded babies story that was false, among others). If I want to continue being her friend, I might have to put her comments on a back burner in my own mind and insist to her face when the subject comes up, that she’s “better than that.” Let her rise to the occasion. I might remind her that “thou shalt not kill,” “blessed are the peacemakers,” and the “do unto others” quote were not meant to be suggestions in her Christian religious world…and see where that lands!
Mel, thank you for that reply. I will pray that I am able to call upon such principle quotes to anyone who says such things that would cause me to be repelled. The hard work is just beginning. Bless you.
We don't know the beheaded babies claim was false. We may, however, reasonably infer that it was false, given a bunch of other suspicious factors.
Yeah, well the conservative Christian friend also said they put “babies in ovens and baked them,” (also false) so I’m inclined to figure that just like the Iraqi war propaganda where “babies were thrown out of incubators to the floor” is just like THIS propaganda. In WWII, it was “babies on bayonets!” It’s always babies, because babies are innocent, sweet little creatures that most sane and feeling people have a great deal of love for.
All these various claims of monstrous evil that have formed parts of the pro-Israel Narrative as far as I know have not been proven false -- but they also have not been proven true. In such a situation, I decide, or tilt, in the direction opposite from what the Western Mainstream seems to be promoting, which in this case is the pro-Israel Narrative.
What a horrendous experience! I'd feel similarly in your situation. Sickening to the stomach.
Ask her what she thinks of the following scripture; or, is she thinking that others will always do the killing for her and she will remain clean:
“Whoever sheds human blood, by humans shall their blood be shed; for in the image of God has God made mankind” (Genesis 9:6).
I am sorry to know that your friend is possessed of a demonic-thought-entity, Mel.
Compassion and prayer...
Sorry. I've seen that, too.
You do know Hamas and those like them want All Jews dead, don’t you? From the river to the sea isn’t just a slogan.
2 billion Muslims and 16 million Jews worldwide, but that’s too many Jews for them.
More propaganda. Israel is acting like a terrorist state, just as the USA does so often. If someone stole my land and home, I’m not going to speculate on how I would respond. Enough said. Goodbye.
I agree, no sides taken by me in this fiasco. Both are criminals, killers...
Both sides are mired in propaganda and disinformation. But only one side has the blessing of the same Mainstream that gave us Covid, Climate Change, Transgenders, and Ukraine.
Jews were there first.
Lol. No. Do a deep history dive, if you can take it… Those lands were inhabited by Muslims, Jews, and yes, Christians, for too many hundreds to thousands of years to count.
The Holy Land area was apparently held by Canaanites before the nascent Israelites conquered the land. Millennial vicissitudes later, it was taken over by waves of different Empires -- Babylonian, Assyrian, Persian, Macedonian, Roman (which in the meantime, by the 4th century AD, transformed into a Christian Empire), and finally by the Islamic Empire in the 7th century, which with astonishing speed and violence took over the entire Middle East, North Africa, and the Iberian Peninsula (with every intention to continue inward to conquer all Europe -- as Belgian historian Henri Pirenne said in the 1920s (to paraphrase), "If Christian armies had not succeeded in repelling the advance of Muslim armies from Spain into the heart of Europe in the 8th century, I would be delivering this lecture today in Arabic."). The Crusades were defensive battles against this -- and were belated because the Christians weren't able to get their shit together until some 300+ years later. Meanwhle, Muslims held the Holy Land right up to the early 20th century, when WW1 allowed the Colonial powers of the West to definitively step in and draw national boundaries that did not exist within the Ottoman geography.
[I had to edit changing "WW2" into "WW1"]
Thanks, Hersperado. You’ve said it well. It was and has been always, just about everyone’s lands. If we go by the “they were here first” explanation, then us Americans who are not Native Americans, should be run off our lands, run out of our homes, made to live in an apartheid state by a fascist Native government. Not gonna happen. And it shouldn’t. And it won’t.
Besides, Native Americans were here first. Looks like YOU need to move out of your home, SoCal. For good.
Lol! I’m moving to Florida.
Nope, that won’t work. There were Native Americans “there first.” Pack up again.
Not true about who was "there first".
This is ancient land, well before the nomadic Hebrew tribe came to visit.
How many "gods" are in the world?
What do/did they advise their followers to do?
Would that be a means to judge-a-"god"?
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/israel-middle-east/articles/bellerose-aboriginal-people
The Jews of the Levant are genetically indistinguishable from the Palestinians of the Levant, but those who originated in Europe are genetically distinguishable, "different".
What defines a Jew? Seems tribal, since not strictly religious or genetic.
What's fair?
It depends on what "Jews", "there", and "first" mean. An illuminating conversation: https://youtu.be/aBf8SeE3OAA
Judaism dates to great antiquity, with an oral tradition that is nearly 4,000 years old and written texts that may be older than the Sanskrit and Avestan texts of Hinduism and Zoroastrianism. For example, the Pentateuch (the first five books of the Bible) has some written elements that are thought to have originated in the mid-2nd millennium BCE.
And the Zionists want all the Palestinians dead, so now you're in a genocidal tie. Until people like you start recognizing our common humanity enough to shake off that brainswashing we have no hope of overcoming this evil. Dehumanizing people is the problem, not what you project onto a bunch of innocent women and children.
The Palestinians want all the Jews dead. Other Middle East countries don’t want the Palestinians. Their mantra…from the river to the sea…means they want Jews dead.
I’m not the problem here.
Your ideology is the problem. You can't condone the killing of women and children because one day they MIGHT think that. AND you can't tell me Netanyahoooo isn't committing ethnic cleansing, same difference!
Hamas committing ethnic cleansing is okay with you, but Israel defending itself and eliminating the problem isn’t.
We don’t know how many people were killed because Hamas lies about everything.
Israel is the size of NJ. The rest of the Middle East is huge in comparison. Israel isn’t the bully.
From the river to the sea is their mantra….Rashida Tlaib was censured for using in the House. Aran countries won’t accept Palestinian refugees from Gaza.
Tell that to the Moslems who lived in Iran under Mossadek (sp?) The entire region was a helluva lot more peace loving than it is today. But we, US, certainly F’d that up didn’t we. And did the Zionists have a hand in that “Great Middle East Reset?”
Biden and Obama made things worse in the Middle East and everywhere else.
You are not very bright, are you? Who began the Iraq war on a LIE? I’ll wait… hint, it wasn’t a blue anon.
Iraq
what?
Oh yeah, all those weapons of mass destruction that were just everywhere......I suggest you watch a Scott Ritter interview, or two.
I tend to disbelieve the notion that the Middle East was "more peaceful" back in the old days -- and the main reason I disbelieve it is because the Western Mainstream has been promoting that idea -- and a tissue of related ideas whitewashing Islam and its history -- for decades. As philosopher Jacques Ellul complained in the 1980s (and he knew European Academe): "You can't criticize Islam anymore!" I.e., already in the 1980s, this politically correct framework was afoot, promoted by the Mainstream (Academe being one of the sectors of the Mainstream, along with governments, news media, big business, big medicine, arts & entertainment, etc.).
The "Conservatives" in question were mostly smoked out by the Trump phenomenon, and the term RINO was coined to describe them. A better illustration of this probably cannot be found than this little video made a couple of years ago by the Arch-Darth Vader of Evil Conservatives Himself, attacking Donald Trump:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7dFV-wmZqI
My wish is for there to be a transformation in the hearts and minds of the people who live on this planet. As long as we fan the flames of hatred, greed, vengeance and apathy, this is what we will continue to face and so will the future generations. Is that what we want? I think not but we get tricked so easily by the masters of war and deception. I’ve shared this post by Charles Eisenstein with many people. So far nobody has disagreed with it. Please read and share. https://open.substack.com/pub/charleseisenstein/p/a-story-told-a-hundred-thousand-times?r=59dck&utm_medium=ios&utm_campaign=post
It was a huge shock to hear her say what she said. Read my response again about how I felt.
Some of the Gazans is an understatement; it amounts to some 40 per cent. It is quite intentional to label the Palestinians as Muslim and nothing but, just to stoke the hatred unlimited. Yet another utilitarian distortion of reality.
All of them a cabal of repulsive liars! Now they are using 'covid' as another virtue signaling attribute! These people nauseate me!! Thank you, Celia. I don't know how you don't lose your mind. I have so much respect for you and Tessa Lena and Vigilant Fox & Anne Can't Stand It, and the growing number of people who are exposing these hypocrites! I was threatened with a 'Restriction Order', from a Children's Health Institution here in SF, because I called to them to expose their criminality. Threats and lies, is all they've got!
Any true conservative would be creeped out by most of today's claimed conservatives.
Yes. I vaguely remember the speech that was edited. Obama was actually describing a belief system that he said others in positions of power held, which he was challenging. A very selective edit and distortion of context.
You made me curious about the unedited clip, though. It might be one of the times when Obama was actually telling us a truth we should've paid more attention to at the time. He did that a few times. I wasn't, nor am I now a fan or supporter of Obama. But he's told truths that I didn't want to believe when he first told them. Like when he told the truth about the Citizen's United SCOTUS ruling, what it would mean for our elections. And I don't think after the 2020 election (and society since 2016) anyone can say Obama was wrong. Here's a Stack I shared with the State of the Union video clip on the Citizen's United decision where he told us truth:
https://freedomfox.substack.com/p/the-obama-wink-and-roberts-nod
Maybe the unedited version of that clip you shared has more of the same kinds of truth in it in hindsight that the Obama SOTU video has?
The "truths" Obama may have told once or twice is an optical illlusion, reinforced by the uncritical and perhaps incoherent merging of old school anti-Establishment Leftism (whose heroes are MLK Jr., Malcolm X, Angela Davis, then morphing into assorted motley communists) -- a style of Leftism from which Obama over his lifetime has drunk deeply -- with the more recent anti-Establishment consciousness galvanized by the anti-Covid movement.
I'm of the persuasion that his "truths" he's told have been of a biblical nature, where Satan is required to disclose his intentions to us so that we agree to follow his path of our own volition. He warns us first. If we don't heed his truthful warning then we consent to follow his word instead of God's word. Many on the right ignored Obama's warnings, to our own regret. We believed in a false notion of "teams", Team R vs. Team D. If Team D wanted it then Team R had to oppose it. A sucker's bet. Few people are like Johnny who take the Devil's bet and make him regret it. The Devil gets many souls from bad bettors.
They are the "Better" that wants to tear up into tiny pieces the U.S.Constitution, in order to make the world follow "them."
Slavery much? Stepford World?
They don't want humans. Humans are unique. They can't handle unique. They can't handle humans who are innately valuable as humans.
They want a sliding scale of human value down to "zero", decided by them.
It's proof that both "sides of the aisle" are in on world domination and subjugation of its citizens to serfdom. They want everyone to work in the anthill for the good of the colony. The Heads of State are all puppets.
These impertinent monsters are slowly bleeding to death.
But we have emphatically said NO‼️
What be it if "so few conservative Republicans" are base commercial whores
... none of us are surprised.
Conservative Republican is an oxymoron.
Most conservatives don't conserve anything.
Conservatives have team player blindsides just like regressives do
They’ve been planning this for decades and we’ve been oblivious. We must wake up now and resist everything they’re doing!
I despise Obomba, but that video clip looked to me like a total fake to embarrass gullible conspiracy analysts. I also noted that your comment link to this post didn't work which I found odd.
Obama stopped some of the worst genocide hrc wanted to do. Unfortunately, he did not stop all of her wicked plans.
HRC was supposed to complete the eight years of America’s destruction after Ovomit. He didn’t stop anything. He had a 16 year plan that she was intended to complete after him. Trump foiled her plans when he was elected. She is one of the most evil people, but so is Ovomit.
As Oscar Wilde truly said...
“Disobedience was man’s original virtue.”
So funny in the NWO montage how some of them stutter on NWO to make it seem like they’re saying it for the first time.
FYI, as the UN and its affiliates (WEF, WHO, Gates Fdn, Soros Fdn, Clinton Fdn etc, Blair, Sunak, Blackface, Biden etc ) are 100% immune from any sort of prosecution, essentially as they believe they are in a position to enforce, or at least try to enforce (as they are currently), their policies. Case in point is the WHO Pandemic Response which will be finally voted on in May 2024 - no one asked for it, so an 85% privately owned entity will simply ram it down our throats. However, they assume the sheeple will go along with their crap, but even sheeple have a limit, so I would take bets that it will fail, like everything else they have tried to foist on us.
bidens brain broke
I was about to enter a comment to ask about the source of the clip and its verifiability, when you took it down! Thank you Celia.
Don't you just hate that phrase, which I won't repeat - those three words alone could be enough to alarm people into thinking, taking the propaganda phrase apart.