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Yvette Worrall's avatar

I have learnt through this - occurence - that there are indeed situations that cannot be stuffed into the "always 2 sides to the story" platitude box. This history, once you finally get past the fraudulent adulation of Israel worship, is, incontrovertibly, one of outright evil, lies, public posturing and decades of schadenfreude.

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mo's avatar

Bingo ! The two-sides faded 3 decades ago with the then streak of suicide bombers. Netanyahu's murderous campaign against civilians, all the more children and women, in the name of self defense is indefensible.

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MDickie's avatar

Well said Celia. I had a Jewish friend of mine say to me recently “I know you hate Israel” out of the blue. I said I don’t know where you got that idea but you are wrong, I don’t hate Israel, but what I do hate is them trying to manipulate us into getting into a war with Iran & I hate all the Palestinian children that they have killed so if that makes me a hater I can accept that label. I also suggested she read the book The General’s Son by Miko Peled or listen to him speak, she might learn something new. It is time the world says no more of this to Israel, we want Russia & Ukraine to have peace but everyone ignores the elephant in the room Israel & Palestine that has been allowed to go on far too long & it’s just my opinion alone but Netanyahu needs to resign.

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Celia Farber's avatar

That makes me very angry. It's such text book gaslighting, manipulation, projection--it's thick "jackal." (Marshall Rosenberg.")

We can have manipulative, oily, entraping lines too though. I'll start writing some. ...

"I know you loathe Palestinians and want them all dead."

"I know you have taken the moral high road position of supporting child sacrifice for Israel."

"I know you never look at the actual images."

"I know you'd like ME to feel bad because I don't give Israel black check to kill as many children as they tell us they need to for world safety."

Or how about: "Get out of my house."

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MDickie's avatar

Yes it actually made me quite angry Celia but since she wasn’t at my house I didn’t have the pleasure of saying get out of my house. Lol. She did also text me a gag photo of Trump & Netanyahu lying on the beach sipping cocktails on the Gaza Strip which I also didn’t find the least bit amusing & chose to ignore. You wonder about people’s common sense.

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Annie's avatar

Netanyahu ain’t a nice guy…

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Elisabeth's avatar

Maybe Begin was misquoted but their Talmud says the same about other peoples =goyims as the "quote...

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Fadi Lama's avatar

Humanity needs more people of courage like you

Thank you

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Mark Harris's avatar

I elicited the following bewildering reply from Gemini:

me: "can you corroborate that M. Begin described Jews as the master race in a speech to the Knesset?"

Google Gemini: "No, it is not accurate to say that Menachem Begin described Jews as the "master race" in a speech to the Knesset.

This specific quote, "Our race is the Master Race. We are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. Other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves," has been widely debunked as fabricated.

The quote is often attributed to an article by Amnon Kapeliouk titled "Begin and the Beasts," published in New Statesman on June 25, 1982. However, investigations, particularly by CAMERA (Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America), have shown that Kapeliouk distorted and misrepresented remarks Menachem Begin made in a speech to the Knesset.

While Begin did use strong and dehumanizing language in that particular speech, referring to certain individuals (specifically terrorists who target children) as "beasts walking on two legs," he did not use the "master race" language attributed to him in the fabricated quote. The more extreme "master race" quote appears to have been invented and then falsely attributed to Kapeliouk's article to lend it credibility."

So Kapeliouk distorted Begin's remarks and then Kapeliouk's article was also embellished??

Much more to the point is Israel's current conduct vis a vis Gaza which is INDEFENSIBLE, no matter how much the Bill Mahers of the world resort to implacable rhetoric.

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mo's avatar

Thankyou for this.

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David Weiner's avatar

This information does not surprise me. It is inconceivable that Begin said what Kapeliouk claimed he did, especially while he was Prime Minister.

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Celia Farber's avatar

Agreed:

I asked whether he said it, could possibly have, and verdict is no:

Wouldn’t it be nice now to dig up a copy of the New Statesman from June 1982? Simple empirical question: what did the article actually contain, hey how about we go read it, duh. I am going to make an effort to find the article. Of course, the New Statesman’s online archives do not go nearly back that far, we’ll have to try something else.

If we were to find the actual article and discovered no ‘master race’ quote, then we can be fairly certain that the quote is a fabrication.

If the Kapeliouk article does have the ‘master race’ quote, that should be good enough, since Kapeliouk was a serious journalist and there would be no a priori justification for believing he was lying or misquoting Begin.

Interestingly, the journalist and activist Franklin Lamb knew Kapeliouk personally. In July 2009, upon the occasion of Kapeliouk’s passing, Lamb cited the ‘master race’ quotation and attributed it to Kapeliouk in his article Remembering Amnon Kapeliouk. Lamb was active in the 80’s and was in Lebanon in the summer of 1982 during the Israeli siege of Beirut. He was there with his partner Janet Stevens who personally witnessed the horrors of Sabra-Shatila later that year and who was sadly killed in the Beirut embassy bombing in April 1983, while pregnant with Lamb’s child. (She seems to have been partial inspiration for the title character in John Le Carre’s The Little Drummer Girl.)

The fact that Lamb cites Kapeliouk for the ‘master race’ quote is, I think, significant and lends toward giving it credence. I would really hate to think that Lamb was just cutting and pasting from the internet when he included that quotation. I will try to find out.

Of course, if the New Statesman piece does contain the ‘master race’ quote, that still won’t be good enough for the anti-anti-Israel crowd. The hasbarists will simply say that Kapeliouk was lying and challenge anyone to find Begin’s actual Knesset speech.

They don’t even accept the authenticity of the ‘beasts walking on two legs” quote. (They, anxious to prevent Begin from appearing to be the racist and chauvinist that he obviously was, claim that Kapeliouk misquoted him since he was referring to Palestinian terrorists, not Palestinians. That interpretation is completely groundless, since it is stunningly obvious that Begin was referring to Palestinians per se.)

EDIT update 20120904: Franklin Lamb informed me in private correspondence that he in fact did not possess the New Statesman article nor did he take the quote directly from it. I assume he simply got it from its many instances on the internet.

EDIT update 20120909: I was able to retrieve the June 25 1982 New Statesman issue on microfilm. A screenshot of the “Begin and the ‘beasts'” article by Kapeliouk is here: http://i.imgur.com/vmfnb.jpg. It’s just one page.

Bottom line: the article does not contain the ‘ours is the master race’ quote attributed to Begin and supposedly taken from this very article in the New Statesman.

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shiyen's avatar

Boy, now try the same logic with Hitler and the 'Herrenrasse' and see where that ends up. Ultimately that's the key to this world, and I hope we unlock it sooner rather than later.

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LadyM's avatar

As someone whose family was destroyed during the European Holocaust, I am horrified by the statement about Palestinian children because it is the exact same sentiment of the Nazis who justified the murder of Jewish infants and children by explaining they would grow up to be adults, if permitted to survive.

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mo's avatar

That one "man" (Netanyahu) for so long already could carry the water for the "London Bankers" who brought him to his murderous dance is beyond comprehension. I asked my European grandfather decades ago why nobody did anything during the Nazi takeover of Europe. And then years later I/we became witnesses to how it all unfolds while good men do nothing.

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Desiree Flores's avatar

fyi:

Naturally, the common people don't want war ... but after all it is the leaders of a country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country.

Hermann Goring

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mo's avatar

fyi, Herman Go(e)ring was one of my pinup poster targets complete with concentric circles and a bullseye. I must have put at least 50 rounds into him before replacing him with Himmler.

This part of his study in human nature didn't apply to my remark: "All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country."

I was questioning my granddad about the arrested response by stymied civilians to the German invasion. Their lack of patriotism was never in doubt.

I was slightly nuts/fearless in my youth and may not have made it to the end of WWII had I been alive back then.

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Annie's avatar

My mother was German. In the the League of Young German girls/women. My uncles, Hitler Youth. My Grandfather in Hitler’s army.

My father an American Army/ Aircorp pilot.

My American roots go back to Jamestown, VA.and after American Revolutionary War,

then Civil War.

I see the bad things that are happening in our government.

Traitors are abundant…

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mo's avatar

This is truly an extraordinary time we live in. Alternative energies that seemingly, but not really, defy the accepted laws of physics, a failing, perhaps even fatally flawed medical model, evidence that human history is likely entirely different than what we've been lead to believe, etc.

A different granddad hid a couple of Canadian paratrooper soldiers in a hidden room and a haystack, risking the safety of his family (including my Mom) in the process.

We owe it to the valiant efforts of the resistance /Allied forces in which our ancestors fought and the freedom spirit we've inherited from those who fled the tyranny of old monarchies, be it Jamestown or our Constitutional founders, and most of all our present and future generations.

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Desiree Flores's avatar

Like Aktion T4, Grüß Gott!

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pimaCanyon's avatar

indeed. it's astounding that the Zionists don't see this!

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LadyM's avatar

They DO see this but believe the difference is, the Nazis murdered innocents who had not done anything to provoke their oppression and extermination, while "the Arabs" attacked them mercilessly and still insist on proclaiming they will keep doing the same over and over again, so they are only defending themselves. They are not prepared to take responsibility for provoking attacks based on their own choices and actions.

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Scotlyn's avatar

It seems to me that this is a symptom of lack of moral agency. If everything you do is *because* someone else did it to you, or *might* do it to you, or you can imagine them doing it to you, even if they have no plan to do so, then you have no idea that you yourself are a moral actor. You see yourself as a puppet, moved by the will of others.

This lack of moral agency, was evident in the famous Golda Meir statement, "We can forgive the Arabs for killing our children. We cannot forgive them for forcing us to kill their children". A moral agent cannot be *forced* to act against their own will. If they kill children it is because they themselves choose to kill children.

However (as it seems to me) no one speaking on behalf of Israel ever acknowledges Israel, or its representatives, as moral actors who CHOOSE to act, and who therefore own their acts. They generally depict Israel as perennially subject to the will and force of others, its acts never self-chosen. Israel the leaf, always blown in the wind created by the acts of others, but perennially unable to act on by its own choice, or to own its acts.

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pimaCanyon's avatar

but the children? the children are not innocent? That's where their "logic" breaks down. Yes, the Jews in Europe did not attack the Nazi's. And yes, the displaced Palestinians who had their land stolen from them did, and will likely again, attack the Zionists, but the children in both cases had nothing to do with it. And yet the Zionists believe they have to kill the children because the majority of parents supported Hamas. (Not everyone in Gaza voted for Hamas, it was roughly 2 people out of 3 who voted for Hamas. So of course the Zionists believe that ALL Gazans must die because "they" voted for Hamas.)

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philalethes's avatar

"the Jews in Europe did not attack the Nazi's...'

Some background for you:

Germany, heartland home of great scientists, philosophers, musicians and technicians, had been Balkanized into hundreds of small duchies by the English and French empires. They only managed to reunite in 1870's under the Kaiser, and their rapid advance in tech soon threatened the English empire. Their ships, running on new oil petroleum tech, could outrun and outfight the old wind machine English fleet. Suddenly English control of the seas (and trade, and finance) was rapidly undermined. The English started WWI to derail Germany (and of course blame them for it with baby bayoneting false flag narratives). Read A Century of War: : Anglo-American Oil Politics and the New World Order.

Meanwhile, Russia remained a traditional enemy of England, and the City of London with its Wall St. allies, funded the Bolsheviks Lenin, Trotsky, et al, to overthrow Russia 1917. Bolsheviks were well known to be primarily run by a certain troublesome stream of Jewish thinkers who promote liberalism, free thinking and progressivism....which sounds great on paper....but it is a survival mechanism used by international Jewry to undermine whichever culture they reside within...while maintaining an inner cohesiveness. Now go read up on Sabbateanism.

Back to WWI. Germans quickly are defeating England, and England must get USA to come in on their side. The Zio-Jews are promised Palestine if they bring US into war. Read Against Our Better Judgement by Alison Weir.

Germany loses, gets brutally hammered down by Versailles treaty, and does not forget that it was (an element of) Jewry who caused their defeat in an unrighteous war they were NOT the cause of. To put them back in a box again.

With me so far?

Russia drops out of WWI and Germans watch Jewish Bolshevik government kill MILLIONS of Christian across Russia and Ukraine. Bolshevik Jewish Communism is early on seen as dangerous threat. Commie gangs in Germany have already taken over areas and caused more disruptive mayhem. Patriots rise up to free Germany, naming names, and soon meet resistance when in 1933 "Judea declares War on Germany."

Germany rightly feels betrayed by Jewish culture as a 5th column. Of course not all Jews by any extent. Many loved and still love German culture (from which Yiddish derives). Germans were among the first Western nations to welcome in Eastern Jews.

Germans want Jews out; they cooperate with Zio Jews with Transfer Agreement to move them to Palestine. A peaceful solution. But Churchill wants war and rejects all overtures to peace from Hitler.

Decades after the war Israeli nationalists (Zio-Nazis) start promoting the Holocaust mythos to justify their "Divine Right" to colonizing Palestine (DNA wise, the Jews who never left---as admitted by Ben Gurion). The 6 Mill grift.

Shocked? Remember: Brits cracked Germany's Enigma encrypted comm system early on: they read everything. No mention of any systemic program of holocaust. No gas programs. After the war three guy who would know the most wrote memoirs: Eisenhower, De Gaulle, and Churchill. Over 7,000 pages. Not ONE mention of chambers, ...it was considered wartime propaganda.

And who still rams this guilt trip down our collective throats years on binges of feeling sorry and victimology? Name the name.

Jewish survival psychology is understandably schizoid, having to adapt chameleon like as they wander, then get expelled, having to start over . They don't blink an eye about lying for the sake of protecting the Tribe, its Soul and Ethos. Shadow Self in the Jewish psyche is very ancient, back to catastrophic times when the Bronze Age collapsed. Ancient, inverted, Sophisticated...subtle, hair-splitting, teflon like, with high degree of geniuses and madmen due to such internal psychological fracking.

Cui Bono? The average decent Jew or American knows nothing of all this...for the most part. WHO paid the bills to shuffle these groups around the world to keep destabilizing nations? Lending the money? Collecting the interest?

Follow the $hekels...look beyond the outer costumes. Some of the real masters have Jewish names; some do not. Good Jews are equally afraid. We have to see beyond the walls and fences THEY use to keep us all in our respective Gazan prisons.

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LadyM's avatar

I debated whether to respond to this "tempered" disturbed diatribe but since it will probably be left to fester on this "inclusive" space, I thought I would.

Regarding your predictable denialist contentions, some of us actually have personal experience with individuals who were the victims of what you contend never occurred. My relative was a teenager imprisoned in Majdanek death camp, where her family was extinguished and she was "inspired" in the "work" of throwing mounds of corpses into pits.

Most of my father's immediate and extended impoverished family members in their small village in Poland, were never seen after the German invasion. My mother's immediate and extended family was eliminated in Transnistria death camp in Romania and she was left with life-shortening health problems from the 4 year imprisonment she survived as a young child.

Go back to the pit from which you periodically emerge and ply your wares there.

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philalethes's avatar

I understand that my highly condensed "history" might come off as total denialism, but that is not my position at all. I understand from decades of study that many thousands lost their liberty, lives, and property. Moved to labor camps, some with horrible cruelty, but others not so bad.. the total numbers lost are definitely under 1 million, and most due to horrible conditions by the end of the war. Look at the official numbers at Auschwitz, we heard 4 million....then quietly downgraded to about 1 million. And that is too much. Yes, you can say any is too much. Fair enough. So let's kill off all the Gazans to even the score? What about those Christians and Holodomar?

For those following this conversation kindly spend some time at codoh.com for the extensive reports. We are aiming primarily at the gas chamber-crematoria stories, which are exaggerations to such an extent they are rightly labelled a hoax. Forensics, LIDAR, simply will not support the story. Nor will wartime reports by Red Cross etc. I even recall seeing the testimony of some survivors in Spielberg's documentary who denied the horror tales (how in the world did they ever let those stay in?)

This is so emotionally loaded for many they cannot even now look with objectivity at numbers as so many triggers have been implanted. These triggers control Jews as well as the rest. Consider the attitude of guys like Rabbi Ovadi:

Rabbi Ovadia Yosef is considered to be a genius scholar and a grand Halacha arbiter (פוסק הלכות, posek) among religious Jews. He is generally considered the highest authority for Sephardi Jews. It is widely known that he makes himself available to any who need to meet with him at his home in the Jerusalem neighbourhood of Har Nof.

Nearly half a million Jews came out for his funeral some years ago. This is not a small time crank.

Rabbi Ovadia was strongly criticized for saying that the “six million who were killed in the Holocaust were reincarnations of people who had sinned in a previous life”.

“So what happened during the Holocaust?” he asked. “There were entire communities that were completely destroyed, without Torah and without commandments. They mixed with the gentiles, learned their languages. They thought that if there were close them, it would be good. However, it became their stumbling block… Because of their many sins, the Holy One’s fury was brought down upon them. That was the cause of everything that happened to us, all of the tribulations that we brought upon us.”

These "high holy pure" ones in their lofty religious think tanks consider the rest of us as lower than dirt. And, they looked down on their fellow Jews as unworthy, and properly to be offered up to their monster "God" as "burnt offerings."

I'm sorry for your losses. We have horrific Kings and Princes and Popes and Rabbis in high influential places. They treat us all like animals to the slaughter.

Wipe your tears, get more education, and wise up. The Overlords think of most humans as suckers. They play YOU.

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LadyM's avatar

They blame Hamas and the majority who voted for them for using the children as human shields and creating "collateral damage" and unavoidable "casualties of war" purposely, in order to create "martyrs" and to manipulate world sympathy.

They claim to be the most moral army in modern warfare and are backed in that claim by some military "experts". They also point to the millions of victims of Arab on Arab and Muslim on Muslim genocide like in Syria, Yemen, Lebanon, Egypt, Iraq, Iran etc.

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Can't say this often enough and reiterating for the sake of newbies and to support this post.

I am a FREE SPEECH absolutist! All the censorship out there is pure evil!

Without freedom of speech and expression, there is nothing but a 'boot stamping on your face forever', total tyranny and slavery! Free speech must be protected and preserved at all costs!

citizensforfreespeech.org

thefire.org

I am Jewish and I LOATHE the government of Israel and Zionism, thanking you for saying truths that must be said!

END ALL WARS NOW! END ALL MILITARY MADNESS NOW BEFORE IT ENDS ALL OF US!

WE ARE ALL GAZANS NOW! Peggy Hall's commonsensical reasonable and logical ONE STATE solution is the only thing that can actually work! https://peggyhall.substack.com/p/a-radical-remedy-to-the-israeli-conflict

Can't say this often enough! STOP BEING PLAYED - TARGET THE PUPPETMASTERS WHO WANT US AT EACH OTHER'S THROATS - ALL WARS ARE BANKERS WARS AS THEY PROFIT FROM DEATH AND DESTRUCTION! What is happening in Gaza is the globalist WEFFERS plan for the entire world!

THEY want you dead or a slave every which way from Sunday and actual kinetic warfare ops are major components in THEIR arsenal.

ISRAEL: A pox on both their houses! Recommend Scott Ritter's detailed and incisive essay: https://www.scottritterextra.com/p/why-i-no-longer-stand-with-israel

Divide and rule! Agents provocateurs anyone, FALSE FLAGS, propaganda social engineering psyops? Keeping us proles at each others' throats while the globalist technocrat predators laugh all the way to the BIS and The Bank of Rothschild's!

Can't say this often enough! The Military/Industrial Complex and the Biowarfare/industrial Complex, WEF agenda and the evils assaulting humanity are from one and the same source - it is the 99% against the diabolical GREED of the 0.01% who should not be in charge of anything!

And BIG pHARMa is an arsenal making permanently sickly addicted slaves dependent on their products - the complete opposite of actual health.

Peddling pure poison! Folks have to wake up to reality: health comes from organic diet, daily exercise and clean living and never from a needle or a pill except in dire, rare traumatic injuries.

Can't say this often enough!

It was NEVER about health! The Powers That Should Not Be were ALWAYS about they want you DEAD or a SLAVE! This is a painful truth to accept but we the people must wake up and fight back! And toxic injections/pills were/are a huge part of their arsenal! Mistakes were not made!

KEEP FIGHTING! All the perps who pushed this greatest crime against humanity, all the way down to the local level, must get their comeuppances!

Proudly ANTI-VAXX! Reiterating for the sake of newbies and to support this post.

Ban all vaccine jabs! There has never been a 'safe and effective' vaccine since Edward Jenner's fraud over 200 years ago as per 'Dissolving Illusions' by Suzanne Humphries and 'Turtles All the Way Down' by Anonymous. Health can never come from a needle or pills, but from healthy eating, healthy exercise and healthy living! virustruth.net

JAB INJURIES: GROSS CALAMARI BLOOD CLOTS/AUTISM TSUNAMI/SADS/TURBO CANCER/BIZARRE TERMINAL ILLNESSES: More tragic victims of the ruling parasite genocidal enslavement agenda, sacrificed on the altar of psychopathic greed and hatred of humanity.

PSYCHOPATHS! MEGALOMANIACS!

The monsters in human skin suits who rule the world get a sadistic vampiric thrill and boost from perpetrating the vilest most demonic crimes against the most vulnerable (babies and small children) and then corrupting the system to get away with it scot free! We the People must stop them, there are a lot more of us than them!

Please check out this substack! ponerology.substack.com

This horrifying Gates, Governor 'Gruesome Newscum', 'Lone Scum', Soros, 'Benedict' Biden and Harris and even Trump, Vance, and 'Ramaswampy' et al are blatant fully owned and operated puppets of their globalist technocrat parasite masters same as other numerous 'PUBLIC SERPENTS' infesting by design from above, the bureaucratic apparatus.

BURN BACK BETTER!

CREATIVITY! ARTISTRY! IMAGINATION! SPIRITUALITY! HUMOR! LOVING KINDNESS! These are the best ways to fight THEM!

HELL NO TO STARGATE! HELL NO TO DEEPSEEK! HELL NO TO AI! technocracy.news

Life everywhere is being assaulted by THE TECHNOCRATIC OMNIWAR! RESIST! DO NOT CONSENT TO ALL THINGS DIGITAL, 'SMART', AI, 5G, NO CASH - ALL OF IT! dhughes.substack.com Technocrat ruling class psychos get a sadistic thrill from their powers over life and death and hurting all who stand in their way and they need the resources worldwide to build their digital total slavery control grids (herd survivors into 15 minute city digital prisons)!

AI is designed to be anti-human/anti-life programmed by technocrat control freak psychos - garbage in = garbage out. Everyone got along just fine without all these absurd and downright satanic electronic gadgets that did not exist until recently. NOBODY NEEDS THIS AI CRAP!

Bless and thank you for doing what you do.

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Diana Fry's avatar

Thank you Celia for this whole article. The whole Israel/ Gaza horror makes me feel ill! For God’s sake if we have no heart and compassion for children, we are no longer human. I want to stop it. Stop it all!! But how?!! Bloody politicians could have, should have spoken out long ago. Will there be one precious child left? This is shameful beyond words and I am heartsick.

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Positively Paying It Forward's avatar

Cela,

No win situation.

Those that argue and disagree appear to be interested in taking 'pot shots' and then moving on.

To actually put 'adults' in the room and choose to resolve the issue (really easy to do on a playground) becomes increasingly difficult the more psychotic the leaders (??) are.

Israelis have gotten along for literally thousands of years without 'terrorism' threatening their existence.

It's when a government 'becomes' a terrorist state (that's clearly not the case in Palestine as they have no organised government, since they were never allowed to have one since 1948) that fear and paranoia 'mongering' becomes the toxicity we're dealing with today.

Always a solution, unless someone doesn't want there to be one.

Real simple

Blessings to you and thanks for keeping this in front of us all.

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Ed Z's avatar

Oh, NOW they’re running for the hills? It’s been obvious for over a year now that these people are psychopaths. But actually it’s been decades. We know about the Liberty attack and now the evidence in the JFK assassination. I won’t go on.

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Jeff's avatar

🎯 Absolutely. I'll believe it when the legacy western countries stop stealing billions from their citizens to fund the ongoing genocide while enriching themselves.

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William Taylor's avatar

When 'individuals' attack personally, I personally throw out EVERYTHING they say. It's merely a validation of your point. If 'they' can't explain logically and without 'screaming' and 'attacking', so to speak, what's the point of even communicating. It will be a total waste of all your 'limited', valuable time. It takes away from 'MYHA' does it not? There is so much information actually out there for that and that takes time especially with 'experimentation'. And any one with even 'half a heart' can see the genocide going on. 'Excuses' be gone. Any one can scream at the top of their lungs that the sky is 'green', we all 'KNOW' it is not. Just a thought.

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Eleanor Robin Gaura Vila's avatar

Any distancing going on by zionist supporters is in preparation for further attacks on south asian countries, further genocides and the attack on Iran. They will still be fullly integrated into the assaults, paying for and directing it. They just want some PR room for deniability. Its all a charade.

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60Gigahertz2's avatar

I was thinking about how the dark, satanic, archonic side feeds off planetary negative energy vs the Gazan genocide. The lower energy beings must have been really enjoying an energetic buffet of horror, panic, sadness, grief, etc., this last year.

But, the karmic pendulum must swing back the other way with equal force. Another opportunity for the good, higher energies to prevail, in possibly unexpected ways, is coming soon. Call me crazy, but I really believe in an attractive universe:))

It is time for the lower energies to starve or dissipate into nothingness - completely removed from our reality.

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mo's avatar
May 21Edited

Right On ! The metaphysical endures where the physical dare not tread.

We shall overcome even if I don't live to see the day during this incarnation.

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flummoxed agent Roger W. 🦂's avatar

There is a big flaw in the argument that it's correct to kill children because they will become adults who will retaliate against the mass murderer libertarian (and mass poisoner, too) who inadvertently admits to defend mass murder by making that stupid argument.

The problem is that it assumes precognition. Which is impossible for human beings, as it has been proved in numerous instances.

Now, it could be that the "libertarians" who defend mass murder and mass theft and mass poisoning live with the delusion that they are gods, or half-gods and half-computers, and in this state of fever, probably caused by fungal products like ergotamine or other alkaloids, they have forgotten their limitations as mere human beings, and stupidly believe that they have acquired precognition, and that enables them to execute children after performing a miraculous jump to conclusions.

But, as the true libertarian Thomas Szasz argued, people are always responsible for their actions, even when their brains are impaired by poisons, or by demonic possession (I add.)

As far as I know, human beings can only defend themselves and strategize using modal logic and probability as guides. They don't know what will the Palestinian victims of the very evil mass murderer and mass poisoner Netanyahu do if they survive and reach adulthood.

A person who wants to use a good strategy to not be killed in the future by vindictive multitudes of Muslims, should try to not commit crimes against Palestinian children today, because doing so raises the odds of suffering violence from people who want revenge.

On the other hand, it's quite probably true that if Israeli libertarians lay off their crack pipes and their little secret garden of fungi and start denouncing the members of the Government of the State of Israel as the criminals that they are, and then demand the death penalty for Netanyahu and his gang, then the would be Palestinian avengers of the future would have fewer arguments to attack the selfish, pathetic, weak, immoral, irrational and cowardly Israeli libertarians of the past, present and future.

Fear is not a good counselor.

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David Weiner's avatar

Stupid attack.

I have been a libertarian for many years and know that libertarians tend to be antiwar and favor peaceful coexistence to a greater extent than the population as a whole. Also, are these libertarians smoking crack or seeking to be able to use cannabis and medicinal mushrooms without getting thrown in a cage for this activity? I support the latter, for adults anyway.

The whole business about "precognition" is also nonsense. Of course, everyone knows that the behavior of individuals is not entirely predictable. But people think and speak in generalizations and politicians also approach topics in that manner. And yes, it is reasonable to believe that (many) Palestinian kids who have been raised to hate Jews and to aspire to killing Jews will want to kill them one day, if they have the opportunity to do so. And history has shown that to be the case. This is not just idle speculation. I am not saying that this reality justifies mass child sacrifice, or that Israel's policies did not contribute to this state of affairs. What to do about this situation is a difficult question, if we are to be honest.

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flummoxed agent Roger W. 🦂's avatar

First, I'm a better libertarian than you, because I actually read Albert Jay Nock and Franz Oppenheimer, and I have never been a Randian cultist. Know your place, you lousy technocrat wannabe.

Second, I argue that behaviorism is evil in all its manifestations, specially in Economics. A brain tumor is preferable, honestly.

Third, I further argue that the behavior of individuals is unpredictable, full stop. In slogan form: "statistics is fake and gay"

Fourth, for murderers to stop their genocide is an easy thing to do. For their Stockholm syndrome supporters to handcuff them and ship them to the ICJ to be executes is an easy answer to this situation. To offer reparations to the Palestinian people is also quite easy to do. In fact, there should be a 100% confiscatory tax on all the assets of American evangelicals to fund the reparations to Palestine. Because being dumber than a bag of rocks should have a big monetary cost.

Fifth, why the American Evangelicals should pay? Because, by their own stupid ideology, it would be antisemitic to tell the Israelis to pay reparations to their victims. Which is super funny.

Sixth, Christians of any stripe should not support in any way political movements composed of people who hate Jesus Christ, like Zionists, who happen to be atheists. Isn't that obviously true? This also includes green politics and progressive politics.

Seven, I insist, if libertarians want to feel safe, they should lay down those bongs and start thinking right. They need fresh air in their frontal lobes to learn to use the non-aggression principle correctly. Doing that is part of the big plan of not getting killed by a psychotic multitude of angry people.

Eight, Hans Hermann Hoppe was right when he said that people who follow unwholesome lifestyles should be physically removed to ensure safety of civilized people. And I add that the libertarians who want to assault other people's bodies should go live in an artificial island-prison in the ocean, where they can be free to abuse one another and follow their unwholesome and antisocial lifestyles.

Nine, supporting a genocide is one of such lifestyles mentioned in the eighth point.

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David Weiner's avatar

It is hilarious to hear a guy who spouts off about "precognition" tell me that I am a Randian, when I have never been one, and never made any reference to Rand.

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flummoxed agent Roger W. 🦂's avatar

Ayn had a lot of merit and a lot of courage. I read once her birth chart. Amazing birth chart. Let me check again. Ah, yes: Moon exactly conjunct Mercury in the sixth house. That could be used to explain her tremendous success as a writer, and her obsession with systems and self-determination. I share Mars in Scorpio with her. That's pretty cool. Chiron was conjunct the Descendant point, so that explains why other people gave her a headache. And I see the sun and Saturn in seventh house. Yeah, that explains 99% of her epic rants. She loved live so much.

But her followers are all a bunch of retarded mass murderer hypochondriacs from Planet 10, and as such, very easy to read. Such people hate being alive and the very essence of their existence. They would just be regular nihilists if they were not total snobs. They settled for Randianism due to their lack of imagination.

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mo's avatar

If we, meaning you, is having such difficulty with what to do about it then let's start with what not to do about it, murdering defenseless civilians . . . to be honest.

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David Weiner's avatar

OK. You have just been appointed Prime Minister of Israel. Your first action, order the end of murdering defenseless civilians; fine.

It is now 2 months later and Hamas is regularly sending rockets into south Israel and making incursions into Israel, killing and kidnapping Israelis. Palestinians are still educating their kids to hate Jews and to aspire to kill them. What is your next move?

And, bear in mind, Israel DID exit Gaza in 2016, and allowed for elections there. I was in Israel in 2015 and there was a tremendous amount of controversy about that plan at the time.

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Scotlyn's avatar

Have you ever stopped to wonder, I mean really wonder, what Palestinian people's beef with Israel IS?

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David Weiner's avatar

Of course I have.

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Scotlyn's avatar

So, you know that if you found yourself in their place, you'd probably have the same beef, right?

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mo's avatar

Your from one comes the other, conflating hapless Palestinians with presumed Hamas aggressors, assumption belongs in fiction.

You might as well launch into a diatribe about aliens and a comet that's headed this way.

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David Weiner's avatar

OK, you have done what I thought you would do. You have confirmed that you have no fucking clue what you would do if you were in a position to resolve the problem. But that doesn't stop folks like you from criticizing others 24/7.

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John Day MD's avatar

Hi "Roger" (not your real name).

"Original Blame" looks at "Patrism" in central Asia and Africa, as it desertified, and dominant males killed non-dominant males. https://drjohnsblog.substack.com/p/original-blame

​ These next few links and excerpts areabout the Y-Chromosome Bottleneck about 6000 years ago, which appear to have arisen in the novel social paradigm,especially among people who kept herds of livestock, that only a few males were needed,and the really good males should kill all of the inferior males. This warfare between patrilineal clans of males killed off most Y-chromosomes and achieved a male to female ration of 1:17, according to analysis. These were hard times, hard men, and hard methods of skull-splitting and torture of males. Some of this flavor can be found in the Hebrew Torah.

I am wondering if this was the Dawn of the Psychopathic and Sociopathic genes, which remain with us today, and if there is a practical way out.

Cultural hitchhiking and competition between patrilineal kin groups explain the post-Neolithic Y-chromosome bottleneck https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-04375-6

A recent bottleneck of Y chromosome diversity coincides with a global change in cultureIt is commonly thought that human genetic diversity in non-African populations was shaped primarily by an out-of-Africa dispersal 50–100 thousand yr ago (kya). Here, we present a study of 456 geographically diverse high-coverage Y chromosome sequences, including 299 newly reported samples. Applying ancient DNA calibration, we date the Y-chromosomal most recent common ancestor (MRCA) in Africa at 254 (95% CI 192–307) kya and detect a cluster of major non-African founder haplogroups in a narrow time interval at 47–52 kya, consistent with a rapid initial colonization model of Eurasia and Oceania after the out-of-Africa bottleneck. In contrast to demographic reconstructions based on mtDNA, we infer a second strong bottleneck in Y-chromosome lineages dating to the last 10 ky. We hypothesize that this bottleneck is caused by cultural changes affecting variance of reproductive success among males. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4381518/

​ The mystery of the Neolithic bottleneck may be over, thanks to one plucky undergrad

At one point during the Neolithic era, the Y-chromosome in our species became far less diverse. Called the Neolithic bottleneck, the reason for it may have finally been revealed.​ https://bigthink.com/surprising-science/the-mystery-of-the-neolithic-bottleneck-may-be-over-thanks-to-one-plucky-undergrad/

​ Something Weird Happened to Men 7,000 Years Ago, And We Finally Know Why

​ "First, our proposal involves an episode in human prehistory when patrilineal descent groups were the socially salient and major unit of intergroup competition, bracketed on either side by periods when this was not the case,"

​ This hypothesis is also supported by a finding in the European DNA samples - shallow coalescence of the Y chromosome, a feature that indicates high levels of relatedness between males.

​ "Groups of males in European post-Neolithic agropastoralist cultures appear to descend patrilineally from a comparatively smaller number of progenitors when compared to hunter gatherers, and this pattern is especially pronounced among pastoralists," they explained.

​ "Our hypothesis would predict that post Neolithic societies, despite their larger population size, have difficulty retaining ancestral diversity of Y-chromosomes due to mechanisms that accelerate their genetic drift, which is certainly in accord with the data."

​ Interestingly, there were variations in the intensity of the bottleneck. It is less pronounced in East and Southeast Asian populations than in European, West or South Asian populations. This could be because pastoral cultures were much more important in the latter regions.

​ The team are excited to apply their methodology, which combines sociology, biology and mathematics, to other cultures, to observe how kinship links and genetic variation between cultural groups correlates with political history.​ https://www.sciencealert.com/neolithic-y-chromosome-bottleneck-warring-patrilineal-clans

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flummoxed agent Roger W. 🦂's avatar

Post neolithic societies have "difficulty retaining ancestral diversity of Y-chromosomes due to mechanisms that accelerate their genetic drift."

This is a bit circular, and genetics arguments tend to spiral out of control (drum roll).

And what is in that very evolved Y chromosome that is so ugly in the biased and lying eyes of natural history revisionists?

(And why is it okay for people to revise one type of history but not the other type? Ah, yeah, I forget: editorial control. Also known as "directed evolution" of knowledge.)

I wonder how not-so-pastoralist societies (nice sleight of hand to use societies instead of races, to break with traditional sociobiology worn-out and pseudoscientific terms) ever got past the neotlithic.

Was it an accident? Perhaps the Yellow river and the Hindus river were so fertile that people could just sit down and watch the cereals grow as they polygamously filled the valleys and mountains with scores of children, that would later create tremendous battles with chariots and mobile siege towers and all the works, that involved hundreds of thousands of soldiers, who left so many corpses that the carrion birds would die alongside of indigestion?

Dr. Day, I think small is beautiful: small tribes, small families, small extended families, small faith, small number of gods, small ambitions, small religions, small slavery, small parcels of property of land and wells, small laws, small fantasies of equality.

The west is the best!

Guilt is healthy and forgiveness is mutually assured salvation.

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John Day MD's avatar

We rapidly reproduce to consume what is available, then die back, as a pattern. "Patrism" seemed to arrive in a vast desertification, more among pastoralists, who would breed and slaughter, already. Do read the first few paragraphs, please https://drjohnsblog.substack.com/p/original-blame

"The West is the Best!" , Jim Morrison, "Break on Through"

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flummoxed agent Roger W. 🦂's avatar

Correct on the poet.

I'll read, of course.

Animals alter their environment. They can transform a desert into a jungle over time, then save money and move to a mansion in one of the Caribbean sea islands, and then the desert eats the fruits of their labor: vegetation.

Animals create vegetation at least as much as vegetation creates animals. This idea is implicit in the Patrism argument. But perhaps humans abandoned tropical areas and moved north because in the deserts of the "fertile crescent" region there were fewer animals (low vegetation.) ("...there is no one for to give you no pain...")

If it were so, this would be a new premise to help with the interpretation of the data, which would change.

Maybe it's just that women are lazy psychopaths and slow thinkers, and they prefer to orbit around one strong, non-psychopathic man who can put up with all of them, but a single man can only produce so much for so many locusts, and this creates the appearence of slaughter of weak men by stronger men when it was just that females killed boys and young men in a swarm style to protect their provider, not unlike the play "the Bacchantes" where women who give cult to Dionysus kill a man and cut his body in pieces, for rejecting their victim complex or something like that. I can't remember, it's been too long.

Anyhoo. How do paleontologists and geneticists know that the male skulls who died a violent death were killed by another man?

Well, females wouldn't kill anyone because they are more intelligent... LOOOOOL!

Jokes aside, psychopathic males could be just the byproduct of the inordinate desire of women for security in everything. Thusly, males would have invented slavery, agriculture, accountancy, commerce, smelting of metals and legal systems simply to satisfy women who ran everything from behind the curtain and are too damned greedy and hubristic.

Where in genes of the women from the Patrist megaculture could we find the blameful fingerprints of "greed" and "hubris" if we have this bias of attributing the worst human acts only to males?

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John Day MD's avatar

"As long as there are slaughterhouses there will be battlefields", Leo Tolstoy

It is a way of doing things, isn't it?

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2nd Smartest Guy in the World's avatar

Good!

PSYOP-WW3: Trump Cuts Ties with Netanyahu Amid Deepening Rift over Middle East Strategy

https://www.2ndsmartestguyintheworld.com/p/psyop-ww3-trump-cuts-ties-with-netanyahu

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J. Gan.'s avatar

The great falling of the elohim worship cult has arrived and they will definitely try to start more war to bury all of these facts presented. When will it come out they own and operate the lion's share of the illegal human organs trade, globally?

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Todd Proctor's avatar

This is very interesting. In the Bible it says that during the end times “the entire world will turn against Israel.” By much of the Christian church that has been infiltrated with dispensationalism, this is interpreted as ‘righteous Israel will be surrounded by the evil world’ seeking her destruction. But the Bible doesn’t actually say anything about Israel being blameless during the end times event it describes in the book of Revelation.

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Sharie Fox's avatar

I'm pretty sure that's symbolic and not actual Israel the country. The Jews were rejected by God since they rejected his son. I'm not Christian so these are not my beliefs, just Bible trivia.

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Todd Proctor's avatar

You make a good point. The Bible actually points to the “Israel of God” as those who see Jesus as the direct lineage of Abraham and the promise to Abraham that all nations would be blessed because of a messiah from his line that would bring salvation to the entire world, all races, in the form of Jesus Christ. And those that take up what Jesus lived would become the true Israel of God. So maybe what Revelation is saying then, which would be more to prove your point, is that the new world order will surround and turn on all followers of Christ during the end times??

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Todd Proctor's avatar

Beam it !! :)

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Sharie Fox's avatar

Yes, I think that could be correct. Religion is responsible for billions of deaths. It's rather absurd that one Creator would accept so many different conflicting beliefs, most that are completely loveless and that's really all that Jesus preached. It all comes down to love, something they've forgotten in both Israel and Palestine. There's enough mind control technology on the planet. Wish they'd just beam some love frequencies to that area!

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