About 10 years ago, a friend of my son's hung himself, age early 20s. I was shocked at the time but now I know Pharmacide is quite common. Poor kid was on drugs from a young age starting with a phony ADHD diagnosis (I volunteered in their 1st grade class and I know there was nothing wrong with him) and on to a phony depression diagnosis caused by the ADHD drugs no doubt.
"Proponents of ADHD diagnosis and treatment argue that untreated ADHD negatively impacts kids’ lives. They suggest that treating ADHD symptoms can improve kids’ lives. However, previous research has not found such an effect. Instead, research has found that:
Stimulant drugs like Adderall and Ritalin don’t actually improve kids’ academic performance and may even increase the likelihood of kids dropping out of school;
Ritalin leads to an 18-fold increase in depression, which decreases back to baseline when kids stop taking the drug;
Stimulants stunt growth and then rapidly lead to obesity; and
Stimulants may lead to hallucinations and other psychotic experiences."
So did my best friend's daughter--it is the in thing in her Manhattan high school. My girlfriend caved and now she has been dealing with a lot of fallout--not sure they are intimately connected cause and effect etc., but she has twice landed in psych wards. There are no magic drugs for being a teenager...
I suggested that a couple of years ago. But my friend is very liberal and thinks I am partially cuckoo. I pointed out that she could either get homeschooled or obtain a GED within moments.
So much is being uncovered on this topic. Simple hair growth medicine well known for causing this once you get off of it is now being sold on the web without a prescription. VTS (voice to skull) is another mechanism. Penetrating the blood brain barrier in multiple ways gives then all sorts of access.
Kinda like Anthony Bourdain…his death by suicide/hanging always smelled super fishy…he had a crazy ass Italian GF who was into some crazy ass s**t…did he get ‘too close to the flame”? Even his close chef friend Eric Ripert, totally went along with the coverup!
I hope her death is properly investigated, to rule out foul play. That said, she has several risk factors: 1) She confessed she had been struggling with shocking betrayal by her boyfriend, insomnia, continuous crying, heart sickness, and inability to eat. 2) She stated her father (who died by suicide) had “threatened” suicide since she was 7 years old, and she grew up with anxiety and drivenness to keep him alive. 3) She mentioned needing “benzos”—which are notorious for causing the suicide side effect, by taking them or withdrawing from them. Just running out of them and missing one day can cause suicide. Or she could have gone to urgent care and gotten another med to mix in, also dangerous. All psych meds are “effective tools” of the depopulation agenda which could be why some here might have the creepy feeling she was murdered. And as a therapist of several decades, I can say that sometimes someone makes an impulsive decision, and those left behind never understand why. Sad, but true.
Yep I agree. She had several risk factors. Being a social media influencer doesn’t help either when having depression and anxiety. If she was an impulsive person also with the combined SSRIs, other anxiety medications along with alcohol can make impulsivity worse not better. According to the article from TMZ they didn’t see any foul play at all and she had a written note. Her family said she had a hard time dealing with her dad’s mental illness and suicide which made her have extreme anxiety. With her friends saying she was fine before is typical also. Many don’t announce they will kill themselves because they don’t want to be stopped. Also friends miss things especially if they are not close. She was a socialite so her friends most likely were not very close to her mentally.
If you have a close relative, particularly a parent that dies by suicide doesn't that automatically make you a poster person for hi suicide risk? Always understood that to be the case. But of course I could be completely wrong. For example it seems like Suicide is/was almost a sacred family tradition for the Hemingway's.
Right or wrong whenever someone has a close relative that commits suicide I'm not as surprised when that someone ALSO does it. The others with no family past surprise me more.
It is a dark and hard life for everyone with lots of heartbreak and disappointment. Not hard to have the occasional dark thought. But dismissing those thoughts comes instinctively to most. BUT (just speculation), if you dismiss any particular genetic marker for suicide (although depression seems to have strong family ties), if you have a close family relative who suicided it almost grants permission for a internal discussion about it to be on the table. Certainly it would seem to invite excess rumination about it and perhaps a lowered defense to dismissing it.
ON THE OTHER HAND, having such things in your circle could trigger THE OPPOSITE response where you absolutely disallow ANY internal rumination about the topic. Same way many a clean freak comes from growing up in sloppy surroundings and reacts with total obsessives rejection. You can embrace, reject or do something in between regarding family stuff. Hard to predict
Short story. IMO the fact her dad self-exited makes it less surprising to me that she chose the same exit path
The culture young people are swimming in is life sucking, not life giving...The ones who are stable and well should surprise us, not the ones who lose hope...I have a daughter in her early 20s and I try constantly to remind myself to be a good role model for her (to be positive, to live out good values, etc.), to help her to rise above the dark "default mentality"...I only watched a few minutes of Eva Evans' show, but it felt empty and awful to watch...All any of us can do is try to raise up the young people around us.
The under-30s are constantly pressured to kill themselves. Suicide is presented as a viable life choice. Have seen this personally in my own extended family. The professional psych profession - in my experience - handles suicidal thoughts through prescribing medication.
In the sixties we had our negative things but we did not have cell phones tethered to us with 24/7 365 addictive manipulation. Respite was FORCED by the technology. A kid may have been doing LOTS of things but they had to crawl out the window in the middle of the night for things to get really serious. Easier to sleep. Now many of them have phones in their space ALWAYS even when they are sleeping
There is virtually no escape. No matter where you go people are staring at their phones. It is a special "joy" (sarcasm intended) to be around a perfectly happy young person in a family setting to have their moods suddenly seeming randomly change. You KNOW it was that &(^))&( social media. The family narrative that you THINK is going on is ALWAYS being messed with by that g d phone. ANY kind of distressing thing can arrive on a kid's phone any time 24/7.
And when they "put themselves out there" it is almost an invitation for abuse
You may say "take the phone from them" but it is the same as trying to take crack from an addict. Are you REALLY ready to do what is necessary to police their social media and phone habit? They have more time and energy than you and you have to get up in the morning.
Sometimes it feels like the Amish have the right idea. Not a lot of good things coming into the home thru the digital express.
Even if suicide were true, it's so difficult to determine a reason, as it's impossible to read another's mind (except, apparently, for those who write hate speech legislation.) And few know themselves well enough and are sufficiently honest to explain what might lead one to the taking of one's own life. She might have appeared "fine" and "normal," but how many smiles are worn to mask a trail of tears? Greetings of "How are you?" are typically followed by the perfunctory "I'm fine," but if one questions further, the truth is that most people are not "fine." Joy and peace are possible, but they are not of this world. As former KGB propagandist, Yuri Bezmenov, said in a 1984 seminar, nobody has willingly died for 2+2=4 even though it is provably true, but many have willing died for their belief in Jesus Christ, something that cannot be proven.
Question number one: Was she on SSRIs? Do we even know how many suicides can be attributed to SSRIs? Hard to say because it will simply be blamed on depression. It’s like blaming cancer for chemo deaths—happens all the time.
That wound she knew nothing about, did she realize it? Did someone revealed that to her? Did she start to ask questions and then someone decided she was asking too many questions about her past? That's what I'm thinking.
When young and famous people die it's not wrong to consider they were sacrificed.
There was that talented and beautiful woman, Amy Winehouse. She died too young. Was it her fault, or was she sacrificed too?
And the much earlier case of Jim Morrison, who probably went through a few of illegal experiments as a child. And many other cases. These talented people who consume themselves, are they all being part of ritual sacrifice of some sort?
Winehouse was smoking heroin. She was smoking so much heroin on the tour bus that the tour bus driver tested positive for heroin and sued her. That's the 27 club for you!
I cannot imagine that the ritual sacrifice requires that the victim is perfect and pure and sinless. They just need a wretched fallen star.
Why is it that people take the golden ticket, they become stars, they are poisoned and exploited, they die and then people hate them as if it was all their doing? Maybe they are sacrificed to keep you in a state of confusion and despair?
The victim is there to make sure we don't blame the executioners.
We can't even see them.
If this is the correct interpretation, then we better reevaluate everything.
It was also reported from her family that she had a hard time dealing with her dad’s suicide. She was also not very open about her mental health with her friends either. Many suicides you most always hear from friends that they are fine before so that isn’t unusual.
w Mr Global’s depopulation agenda, w euthanasia programs in Canada Belgium getting pro-con media in press, this crime seems to want to push self-harm into young folks minds prior to whatever mass hysteria plandemic / scamdemic is in their wicked pipeline … 😪 find faith amigos
There is a young lady I met about 5 years ago that was such a nice person. A few months ago she called me a fkng btch because I gave her a bottle of water.
That’s ridiculous because she made a statement about it. Someone with depression and/or suicidal ideation can say these things and still commit suicide. Most usually don’t say anything about it because they have their mind made up. The family reported that she had a hard time dealing with her dad’s suicide and didn’t much discuss her mental health with others. She had to deal with her dad’s suicidal ideation since she was seven which wrecked her mental health. She may have been on SSRIs also which can make a person suicidal also. She drank alcohol which you shouldn’t with medication and being a social media influencer can destroy a person fast. This isn’t some big conspiracy that you are making it out to be. No foul play was shown and she did leave a note.
If you are referring to a statistical concept related to probability, please realize that people don't have risk factors at all. That's a misapplication of the concept, created by the propaganda industry to traumatize people and abuse them.
Probabilities belong to uncertain events. Nothing more than that.
People simply do actions or don't do actions. In analyzing the data gathered from the outcomes of the actions of people, the analysts do studies on probabilities.
These probabilities are used by the insurance industry for their own interests.
To use that data to nudge people is the most sophisticated form of bullying that I know of.
And the results of seeding fear with perverse concepts that nobody understands with the goal of creating the impression that something bad is going to happen is one of the main reason people are so screwed up morally these days.
It's difficult enough to protect yourself from real risk from life, but now we all have to endure the damage of massive terror campaigns. It's worse than useless. So I recommend that you stop participating in this nonsense.
Sir I am a very experienced psychologist and I am discussing basic psychological data as a professional with expertise. There is nothing wrong with that and it does not make me an agent of the state. Research by good people is also used to help people seeking counseling. If you cannot have any empathy or understanding of this, which is pure common sense, then I cannot help you.
First, I don't know you are a "very experienced psychologist" and that you are discussing data as a professional: there is no info in your profile.
Second, I didn't mention "the State." I'm following a strict regime of not mentioning that as much as possible. Now I only complain about the state on Christmas and Easter, two minutes each day. My disguise as a normie is nearing completion.
Third, my point is that misapplying technical concepts, paired with accidental abuse of language, by some people who understand the concepts and their limitations, is dangerous when used on people who don't understand the concepts themselves, much less the misapplication and the abuse of language.
Technical people abuse language saying "this person has an increased risk factor of having tooth decay because she brushes her teeth with High Fructose Corn Syrup" because the phrase "risk factor" refers to analysis of probabilities of data, not to the person herself. This much should be obvious.
The confusion created between technical people speaking in shorthand, and an audience of innumerate and illiterate sons of a jackal, is used by you-know-who to create mental chaos in society. Symbolic terror is a tactic that feeds on this confusion.
By symbolic terror I mean conditioning the victim to fear a substitute of a real danger. "Risk factor" is exactly that.
They are not saying "Woe unto you! Shake in fear because you will die of a heart attack! Submit to my authority!"
Rather, they are saying "Look, I don't want to bother you but I'm worried about you because of this symbol, the risk factor, that says that you have a greater risk of suffering a devastating heart attack that may make your family very sad and may impoverish you if you survive. So you have to accept this unscientific campaign and relinquish a tiny bit of your civil freedom for the sake of helping to save others in this to fight against the evil 'risk factor immanentized number 33' and ingest this new drug we are pushing on people even though we know it will cause more damage than anything else. Why are you looking at me like that? This is real, man! This is not the words of a knavish sophist trying to control your mind and direct you into actual danger by deliberately confusing an abstraction that may not be true with a concrete danger through fake compassion and cleverness. I'm offended by your skepticism!"
Well, they are not saying all that, that would be laughable. They hide a lot of facts when the present their probabilities.
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To seed people with the idea of "suicide" as highly predictable through analysis of probabilities from epidemonological data is an astute way of jinxing people to believe that they are determined to commit suicide.
Another person, not you, with an unscrupulous attitude may find it funny to fish weak people on the internet and "gently" nudge them into the opposite of what they pretend they are trying to warn people about. I know this because I'm fluent in scorpion language.
Epidemonological data is unreliable. It's best to limit its use to its proper space.
You cannot deduce any cause and effect relationship from epidemonology. Certainly not the relation that if the parent does XYZ, then the son will do XYZ with Z number of odds. And introducing this nuance of probabilities does not change that fact that epidemonology is worse than astrology at predicting any future event.
The reality of the situation is that people commit suicide for many reasons, one of them, because they have been led to suicide, which makes it into a very dark form of homicide.
In this regard, let me recommend the novel "Curatin" by Agatha Christie which deals exactly with this theme of "delayed homicide." There was a tv show years ago with this, and in the tv show the actor playing Poirot pretends to use amyl nitrite (the infamous "poppers") to suppress his the symptoms of his heart disease, which does not appear in the novel.
I wonder if you have ever seen things from the eyes of an abuser or a killer. Your good feelings of helping people deserve my applause, but I insist that you should be careful with your tactic, because you may be unwittingly batting for the other team.
Sorry. Don't buy it. They need to thoroughly investigate this alleged suicide.
I absolutely agree.
Ha! Ha! It will NEVER happen…she was ‘suicided’ for some reason. Just like ALL the others!
key inveatigative avenue - how did she know the Cli’ins
If the deceased hang from a doorknob on a red tie, investigation would certainly be warranted.
Some SSRI antidepressant might be involved.
About 10 years ago, a friend of my son's hung himself, age early 20s. I was shocked at the time but now I know Pharmacide is quite common. Poor kid was on drugs from a young age starting with a phony ADHD diagnosis (I volunteered in their 1st grade class and I know there was nothing wrong with him) and on to a phony depression diagnosis caused by the ADHD drugs no doubt.
My 15-yo niece wants magical ADHD drugs… I’m trying hard to convince her otherwise.
Please keep trying. There are many herbal aids-- adaptogens like rhodiola, ashwaganda... A Naturopath is a better choice for such advice...
Perhaps you could find some convincing evidence on Dr. McFillin's Stack such as this article.
https://drmcfillin.substack.com/p/the-alarming-surge-in-adhd-diagnoses
"Proponents of ADHD diagnosis and treatment argue that untreated ADHD negatively impacts kids’ lives. They suggest that treating ADHD symptoms can improve kids’ lives. However, previous research has not found such an effect. Instead, research has found that:
Stimulant drugs like Adderall and Ritalin don’t actually improve kids’ academic performance and may even increase the likelihood of kids dropping out of school;
Ritalin leads to an 18-fold increase in depression, which decreases back to baseline when kids stop taking the drug;
Stimulants stunt growth and then rapidly lead to obesity; and
Stimulants may lead to hallucinations and other psychotic experiences."
So did my best friend's daughter--it is the in thing in her Manhattan high school. My girlfriend caved and now she has been dealing with a lot of fallout--not sure they are intimately connected cause and effect etc., but she has twice landed in psych wards. There are no magic drugs for being a teenager...
I suggested that a couple of years ago. But my friend is very liberal and thinks I am partially cuckoo. I pointed out that she could either get homeschooled or obtain a GED within moments.
So much is being uncovered on this topic. Simple hair growth medicine well known for causing this once you get off of it is now being sold on the web without a prescription. VTS (voice to skull) is another mechanism. Penetrating the blood brain barrier in multiple ways gives then all sorts of access.
Kinda like Anthony Bourdain…his death by suicide/hanging always smelled super fishy…he had a crazy ass Italian GF who was into some crazy ass s**t…did he get ‘too close to the flame”? Even his close chef friend Eric Ripert, totally went along with the coverup!
I hope her death is properly investigated, to rule out foul play. That said, she has several risk factors: 1) She confessed she had been struggling with shocking betrayal by her boyfriend, insomnia, continuous crying, heart sickness, and inability to eat. 2) She stated her father (who died by suicide) had “threatened” suicide since she was 7 years old, and she grew up with anxiety and drivenness to keep him alive. 3) She mentioned needing “benzos”—which are notorious for causing the suicide side effect, by taking them or withdrawing from them. Just running out of them and missing one day can cause suicide. Or she could have gone to urgent care and gotten another med to mix in, also dangerous. All psych meds are “effective tools” of the depopulation agenda which could be why some here might have the creepy feeling she was murdered. And as a therapist of several decades, I can say that sometimes someone makes an impulsive decision, and those left behind never understand why. Sad, but true.
Yep I agree. She had several risk factors. Being a social media influencer doesn’t help either when having depression and anxiety. If she was an impulsive person also with the combined SSRIs, other anxiety medications along with alcohol can make impulsivity worse not better. According to the article from TMZ they didn’t see any foul play at all and she had a written note. Her family said she had a hard time dealing with her dad’s mental illness and suicide which made her have extreme anxiety. With her friends saying she was fine before is typical also. Many don’t announce they will kill themselves because they don’t want to be stopped. Also friends miss things especially if they are not close. She was a socialite so her friends most likely were not very close to her mentally.
Yes, wise words.
I live for the day the Pig Farma folks are themselves hanging in the public square.
nothing but death and destruction.
r.i.p.
And they are behind the chemtrailing also.
If you have a close relative, particularly a parent that dies by suicide doesn't that automatically make you a poster person for hi suicide risk? Always understood that to be the case. But of course I could be completely wrong. For example it seems like Suicide is/was almost a sacred family tradition for the Hemingway's.
Right or wrong whenever someone has a close relative that commits suicide I'm not as surprised when that someone ALSO does it. The others with no family past surprise me more.
It is a dark and hard life for everyone with lots of heartbreak and disappointment. Not hard to have the occasional dark thought. But dismissing those thoughts comes instinctively to most. BUT (just speculation), if you dismiss any particular genetic marker for suicide (although depression seems to have strong family ties), if you have a close family relative who suicided it almost grants permission for a internal discussion about it to be on the table. Certainly it would seem to invite excess rumination about it and perhaps a lowered defense to dismissing it.
ON THE OTHER HAND, having such things in your circle could trigger THE OPPOSITE response where you absolutely disallow ANY internal rumination about the topic. Same way many a clean freak comes from growing up in sloppy surroundings and reacts with total obsessives rejection. You can embrace, reject or do something in between regarding family stuff. Hard to predict
Short story. IMO the fact her dad self-exited makes it less surprising to me that she chose the same exit path
Yes you are right, children of parents who died by suicide are more likely to follow suit.
The culture young people are swimming in is life sucking, not life giving...The ones who are stable and well should surprise us, not the ones who lose hope...I have a daughter in her early 20s and I try constantly to remind myself to be a good role model for her (to be positive, to live out good values, etc.), to help her to rise above the dark "default mentality"...I only watched a few minutes of Eva Evans' show, but it felt empty and awful to watch...All any of us can do is try to raise up the young people around us.
The under-30s are constantly pressured to kill themselves. Suicide is presented as a viable life choice. Have seen this personally in my own extended family. The professional psych profession - in my experience - handles suicidal thoughts through prescribing medication.
In the sixties we had our negative things but we did not have cell phones tethered to us with 24/7 365 addictive manipulation. Respite was FORCED by the technology. A kid may have been doing LOTS of things but they had to crawl out the window in the middle of the night for things to get really serious. Easier to sleep. Now many of them have phones in their space ALWAYS even when they are sleeping
There is virtually no escape. No matter where you go people are staring at their phones. It is a special "joy" (sarcasm intended) to be around a perfectly happy young person in a family setting to have their moods suddenly seeming randomly change. You KNOW it was that &(^))&( social media. The family narrative that you THINK is going on is ALWAYS being messed with by that g d phone. ANY kind of distressing thing can arrive on a kid's phone any time 24/7.
And when they "put themselves out there" it is almost an invitation for abuse
You may say "take the phone from them" but it is the same as trying to take crack from an addict. Are you REALLY ready to do what is necessary to police their social media and phone habit? They have more time and energy than you and you have to get up in the morning.
Sometimes it feels like the Amish have the right idea. Not a lot of good things coming into the home thru the digital express.
My thoughts exactly.
Social media. Movies. Constant media barrage. See Ray above for the details.
She was ARKANCIDED.
(The Clintons handle the wet work.)
Even if suicide were true, it's so difficult to determine a reason, as it's impossible to read another's mind (except, apparently, for those who write hate speech legislation.) And few know themselves well enough and are sufficiently honest to explain what might lead one to the taking of one's own life. She might have appeared "fine" and "normal," but how many smiles are worn to mask a trail of tears? Greetings of "How are you?" are typically followed by the perfunctory "I'm fine," but if one questions further, the truth is that most people are not "fine." Joy and peace are possible, but they are not of this world. As former KGB propagandist, Yuri Bezmenov, said in a 1984 seminar, nobody has willingly died for 2+2=4 even though it is provably true, but many have willing died for their belief in Jesus Christ, something that cannot be proven.
Great post. Thank you.
Question number one: Was she on SSRIs? Do we even know how many suicides can be attributed to SSRIs? Hard to say because it will simply be blamed on depression. It’s like blaming cancer for chemo deaths—happens all the time.
That wound she knew nothing about, did she realize it? Did someone revealed that to her? Did she start to ask questions and then someone decided she was asking too many questions about her past? That's what I'm thinking.
When young and famous people die it's not wrong to consider they were sacrificed.
You mean she was not so young?
But there's the story of the 27 club.
There was that talented and beautiful woman, Amy Winehouse. She died too young. Was it her fault, or was she sacrificed too?
And the much earlier case of Jim Morrison, who probably went through a few of illegal experiments as a child. And many other cases. These talented people who consume themselves, are they all being part of ritual sacrifice of some sort?
Winehouse was smoking heroin. She was smoking so much heroin on the tour bus that the tour bus driver tested positive for heroin and sued her. That's the 27 club for you!
I cannot imagine that the ritual sacrifice requires that the victim is perfect and pure and sinless. They just need a wretched fallen star.
Why is it that people take the golden ticket, they become stars, they are poisoned and exploited, they die and then people hate them as if it was all their doing? Maybe they are sacrificed to keep you in a state of confusion and despair?
The victim is there to make sure we don't blame the executioners.
We can't even see them.
If this is the correct interpretation, then we better reevaluate everything.
It's sad.
Let's play some 'light' music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaaT_HRb4GU
Sorry. It links to that famous instrumental song by Carlos Santana, "Soul Sacrifice."
More distractions, come on, stay focused.
Kardashian stuff. Wow.
just awful. she was a beautiful girl. god bless and keep her.
It was also reported from her family that she had a hard time dealing with her dad’s suicide. She was also not very open about her mental health with her friends either. Many suicides you most always hear from friends that they are fine before so that isn’t unusual.
w Mr Global’s depopulation agenda, w euthanasia programs in Canada Belgium getting pro-con media in press, this crime seems to want to push self-harm into young folks minds prior to whatever mass hysteria plandemic / scamdemic is in their wicked pipeline … 😪 find faith amigos
There is a young lady I met about 5 years ago that was such a nice person. A few months ago she called me a fkng btch because I gave her a bottle of water.
This young lady did NOT kill herself … someone found her to be a problem and took her out.
Read this and try to say she did this … no way she did!
https://www.dontmindme.org/eva-evans
That’s ridiculous because she made a statement about it. Someone with depression and/or suicidal ideation can say these things and still commit suicide. Most usually don’t say anything about it because they have their mind made up. The family reported that she had a hard time dealing with her dad’s suicide and didn’t much discuss her mental health with others. She had to deal with her dad’s suicidal ideation since she was seven which wrecked her mental health. She may have been on SSRIs also which can make a person suicidal also. She drank alcohol which you shouldn’t with medication and being a social media influencer can destroy a person fast. This isn’t some big conspiracy that you are making it out to be. No foul play was shown and she did leave a note.
I wouldn't call it ridiculous.
we're all speculating.
omg how sad can this get.
Yes I agree. A parent dying by suicide is a major risk factor.
What's a risk factor?
If you are referring to a statistical concept related to probability, please realize that people don't have risk factors at all. That's a misapplication of the concept, created by the propaganda industry to traumatize people and abuse them.
Probabilities belong to uncertain events. Nothing more than that.
People simply do actions or don't do actions. In analyzing the data gathered from the outcomes of the actions of people, the analysts do studies on probabilities.
These probabilities are used by the insurance industry for their own interests.
To use that data to nudge people is the most sophisticated form of bullying that I know of.
And the results of seeding fear with perverse concepts that nobody understands with the goal of creating the impression that something bad is going to happen is one of the main reason people are so screwed up morally these days.
It's difficult enough to protect yourself from real risk from life, but now we all have to endure the damage of massive terror campaigns. It's worse than useless. So I recommend that you stop participating in this nonsense.
Sir I am a very experienced psychologist and I am discussing basic psychological data as a professional with expertise. There is nothing wrong with that and it does not make me an agent of the state. Research by good people is also used to help people seeking counseling. If you cannot have any empathy or understanding of this, which is pure common sense, then I cannot help you.
I stopped reading at Sir... just kidding.
Let us find a point of agreement, if we can.
First, I don't know you are a "very experienced psychologist" and that you are discussing data as a professional: there is no info in your profile.
Second, I didn't mention "the State." I'm following a strict regime of not mentioning that as much as possible. Now I only complain about the state on Christmas and Easter, two minutes each day. My disguise as a normie is nearing completion.
Third, my point is that misapplying technical concepts, paired with accidental abuse of language, by some people who understand the concepts and their limitations, is dangerous when used on people who don't understand the concepts themselves, much less the misapplication and the abuse of language.
Technical people abuse language saying "this person has an increased risk factor of having tooth decay because she brushes her teeth with High Fructose Corn Syrup" because the phrase "risk factor" refers to analysis of probabilities of data, not to the person herself. This much should be obvious.
The confusion created between technical people speaking in shorthand, and an audience of innumerate and illiterate sons of a jackal, is used by you-know-who to create mental chaos in society. Symbolic terror is a tactic that feeds on this confusion.
By symbolic terror I mean conditioning the victim to fear a substitute of a real danger. "Risk factor" is exactly that.
They are not saying "Woe unto you! Shake in fear because you will die of a heart attack! Submit to my authority!"
Rather, they are saying "Look, I don't want to bother you but I'm worried about you because of this symbol, the risk factor, that says that you have a greater risk of suffering a devastating heart attack that may make your family very sad and may impoverish you if you survive. So you have to accept this unscientific campaign and relinquish a tiny bit of your civil freedom for the sake of helping to save others in this to fight against the evil 'risk factor immanentized number 33' and ingest this new drug we are pushing on people even though we know it will cause more damage than anything else. Why are you looking at me like that? This is real, man! This is not the words of a knavish sophist trying to control your mind and direct you into actual danger by deliberately confusing an abstraction that may not be true with a concrete danger through fake compassion and cleverness. I'm offended by your skepticism!"
Well, they are not saying all that, that would be laughable. They hide a lot of facts when the present their probabilities.
--
To seed people with the idea of "suicide" as highly predictable through analysis of probabilities from epidemonological data is an astute way of jinxing people to believe that they are determined to commit suicide.
Another person, not you, with an unscrupulous attitude may find it funny to fish weak people on the internet and "gently" nudge them into the opposite of what they pretend they are trying to warn people about. I know this because I'm fluent in scorpion language.
Epidemonological data is unreliable. It's best to limit its use to its proper space.
You cannot deduce any cause and effect relationship from epidemonology. Certainly not the relation that if the parent does XYZ, then the son will do XYZ with Z number of odds. And introducing this nuance of probabilities does not change that fact that epidemonology is worse than astrology at predicting any future event.
The reality of the situation is that people commit suicide for many reasons, one of them, because they have been led to suicide, which makes it into a very dark form of homicide.
In this regard, let me recommend the novel "Curatin" by Agatha Christie which deals exactly with this theme of "delayed homicide." There was a tv show years ago with this, and in the tv show the actor playing Poirot pretends to use amyl nitrite (the infamous "poppers") to suppress his the symptoms of his heart disease, which does not appear in the novel.
I wonder if you have ever seen things from the eyes of an abuser or a killer. Your good feelings of helping people deserve my applause, but I insist that you should be careful with your tactic, because you may be unwittingly batting for the other team.
I hope this helps.
So sorry for Eva. Sundays I have a service for a young man( late 20’s) who died by suicide.
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Thanks