I have a few questions. That’s not the same as saying: “I do not believe it.” But here they are: Who filmed this? He walks, films himself talking, seems to prop the camera atop something, then walks to the spot, pours a liquid on himself…a male voice from a distance asks: “Sir, can I help you?” Asks again, as he sets about setting himself on fire.
I can’t get over how on Substack, so many people are declaring “Don’t believe everything you see!” Yet, if they want to believe it, they swallow it whole, no questions asked. Since this is protesting Israel, they’re swallowing it, no questions asked. They WANT to believe it and will defend their “right” to.
The first time I saw the video, I thought MKUltra is alive and well, and had a few of the questions you asked, and found out quickly these questions are not welcome, or tolerated in many places.
The strangest thing I read about this story is that it is not the first one. Apparently there was another self immolation in December in Atlanta and also, I believe, in front of the embassy, No information has been released about the Atlanta event--not a name given. I believe I read this in the Zero Hedge story on Sunday. But two definitely makes it smell. War at any cost? I mean, that's the only referent at any rate--the monk protesting the Vietnam War.
That's really interesting, thanks. It's super odd--don't you think--that Norman Morrison is featured on a North Korean stamp--but we've never heard of him? Or at least I had never heard of him. I'm not an expert, not by a long shot, on Vietnam or even the American protests--but I generally am acquainted with most of the basic issues. It is also striking that all of these self-immolations occurred in the 1960s. I always find it odd when something happens a lot during one brief period and then not again for 50 years.
This is a psyop, with the CIA & Mossad being the directors. I think it was a "deep fake" video, and the "fire" was the deep fake part. Since deepfake videos can completely use a persons face and voice, using a fire can also be done. The Mossad was experimenting with the new deepfake technology and did this as a way of propaganda in their favor. Also, to paint U.S. American service men as psycho, and thus persuade public opinion for the "need" of foreign soldiers(U.N.) governing the U.S. military affairs.
That’s a fair question—it deserves to be answered. I think people—not all, many—want to believe a man in some capacity of having self-will, set himself on fire to protest atrocities. I’m aware of the atrocities. How does this”sacrifice” (satanic, human sacrifice fire ritual) help hungry women and children in Gaza, though? Thank you for asking—I wasn’t being sarcastic. But this possible set up/false flag event fuels the emotional anti-Israel fervor people are being caught up in. Our own government is using it to set us up for the One World Government/NWO whatever-it-will-be-called. “Peace in the MiddleEast!” headlines will initiate it.
I also would caution anyone interested that just as American citizens are not impressed with OBiden, but are not rising in arms to stop it (because we know we can’t right now), that does not mean we are complicit; and as Trudeau, Ardern and Netanyahu murdered Canadians, Kiwis, and Israelis, but these nations can’t rise up and overthrow their oppressive regimes right now either, what I do not know but suspect is Bibi released men on flying go carts to attack and kill his own citizens, (what a sick mockery), for an excuse to go to war (like our own Patriot Act after the 9/11 deceptions), to provoke other nations to fall in line for some greater ends far beyond my scope of understanding. All I can claim to know is a large percentage of Israeli citizens are not too impressed with their administration, and its atrocities, either. They shouldn’t be lumped in with the slaughterers, and people should delineate who is doing the killing. Russia describes the USA as a pedophilic nation, while those who protest pedophilia are shadow-banned or even sit in prison. Israel is no different in the battle its citizens face against their administration.
It’s almost all a sick psy-op, and I don’t know how to honor what is true, real, and worthy of energies and passion anymore. But Americans, and the rest of the world, are being greatly deceived about what is happening in Israel. We’re being manipulated for a specific end, and most Americans are riding that canoe toward the waterfall. Sadly, here on Substack, we’re eating it up, while believing ourselves to be “red-pilled” because Substack has (relatively) free (and quite manipulated) speech.
Again, thanks for asking. I hope that clarifies my earlier comment.
That's a relevant question regarding how the guy's suicide by fire helps any of the women and children in Gaza; but, I doubt the Airman was considering that question as much as he was believing his horrific self-sacrifice would definitely bring the genocide issue front and center.
Feb 27, 2024 · The Air Force identified the Airman who died after setting himself on fire in front of the Israeli Embassy on Feb. 25 as Senior Airman Aaron James Bushnell,...
Your instincts/intuition are correct. We have devolved into a human, physical-sense virtual reality. Anything seen, heard, felt, tasted or smelt (writing, filmed, pod-casted) can be faked. Just the nature our experience right now. Challenging to say the least (but we can rely on our inner-knowing clairvoyance if we take the time to train ourselves).
I judge him to have been sincere. In Buddhism this is known as "Great Compassion", which a mother with no arms feels as her child falls into a rushing river.
I have a feeling you belong to the adherents of the Babylonian Talmud, in which case you need to reread the text. It refers to Jesus, describes his mother, and even defines his eternal fate. Surely it would be antisemantic to disregard all such reliable historical information provided.
No I do not adhere to the Talmud. It is a racist text and was written hundreds of years after the so called 'birth of Jesus Christ and therefore has no proof that Jesus ever existed
Seems sus right? It very well could be that they are testing out the mind control that was deployed heavily on the armed forces through the hydrogel nanotech fakeccines.
I’m 100% with you. When I saw the pic of him standing there calmly, engulfed in flames, I thought it was a fake. No way could someone endure the horrific pain of burning flesh, not only without flinching but seemingly oblivious. No one is THAT much of a psycho.
I couldn't watch, but I was hoping it was fake. I know back in the early days of the "global war on terror" they did lots of fake beheadings. So, I guess anything is possible.
Not inappropriate but some of your questions have already been answered. The Air Force did claim him as an active duty member. He did do a video of himself saying he can no longer accept the genocide. He did a FB post with similar language. No, the military services only give the most basic psych exams. He's not the first immolation protest this year. Yes, war and genocide can drive some people crazy. But most important of all, there are some moments of moral conviction that shock us only because of the very amoral society we live in. For some, the contradictions are unbearable. I think that's what we should be talking about, not whether all the endless "what do we really know about him" questions.
that is an interesting take, but it makes sense. I hadn't considered that approach. They make us hate them so much that when they propose the Great Reset, everyone will go "Yes, we want that , it will be so much better than what we have now!"
I’m so removed from the “news” now including “alt media” that other than notice this story going “viral” I knew no details until I read your post. Yes your excellent questions prove it’s an obvious op.
I think the rule for truthers should be that if something blows up on Twitter then we should automatically assume it’s fake or an op until proven otherwise. We need to stop reacting immediately to carrots being dangled in front of us.
the sheer amount of violence we are all subject to is beyond human ability to process. psyops or not just the IDEA anyone doing this and filming it is demoralizing and deeply deeply sad
If I referred to the first photo as if it were second chronologically that was an error. I guess I should have made it clear that they were in the wrong order chronologically. Of course, as it was a psyop it would be typical for Wikipedia to place them in the wrong order.
No Wikipedia has the second one chronologically first.
Link to first photo below which is second chronologically - when you click the Next button you go to the earlier photo (well, allegedly earlier photo - it's a total scam).
Jan Palach (Czech pronunciation: [jan ˈpalax]; 11 August 1948 – 19 January 1969) was a Czech student of history and political economics at Charles University in Prague. His self-immolation was a political protest against the end of the Prague Spring resulting from the 1968 invasion of Czechoslovakia by the Warsaw Pact armies.
OK, I haven't looked, but I was just prompted by both your article and the comment about Thích Quảng Đức's self-immolation to question it (see my comment). I bet Jan Palach's was fake as well and just as I would not be surprised if no suicide bombing has ever occurred I would not be the least surprised if no self-immolation has ever occurred, at least not since the time of the intelligence operatives ... and who can say when they started?
It seems to me that a monk, who probably has had many years of meditation training, could put himself into a trancelike like state where he feels no pain. But not your run of the mill 25 year old American.
Meditation on Emptiness. And with the realization of emptiness comes infinite compassion for all sentient beings. It's great to see a fellow practitioner here. _/\_ _/\_ _/\_
June 11 actually. This article with your comment prompted me to question Thích Quảng Đức's self-immolation. So right off the bat we have that number so favoured by the Freemasons - 11.
Then we have photos (why not film footage as it was known in advance judging by the fact that journalist, Malcolm Browne, was there to capture it and we see a monk with a camera in his hands?).
This is what Wikipedia tells us about Malcolm, note stint at CFR.
"Browne worked for ABC TV for about a year but became dissatisfied with television journalism,[1] and worked freelance for several years. He did a year's fellowship at Columbia University with the Council on Foreign Relations. In 1968, he joined The New York Times, becoming its correspondent for South America in 1972. Having worked as a chemist prior to becoming a journalist,[3] in 1977 Browne became a science writer, serving as a senior editor for Discover. He returned to the Times in 1985, and went on to cover the Persian Gulf War in 1991."
EDITED in response to comments:
Notice how in the first photo there is what clearly looks like a container of petrol or similar standing up seemingly lying on the ground to the left of the monk while in the same spot in the second there is a white "thing" that has few of the characteristics of the container - comments suggest that the container has been deformed by fire, however, there is no hint of fire moving beyond the monk and there is no obvious clear sense of melting or how this deformation would occur.
Also generally the people in the background do not look the same in each photo - seriously people are milling around during a self-immolation? - notably on the extreme right of the first photo there is someone kneeling (no one kneeling in the second photo) and also in the full-immolation photo towards the right and on the left of the monk in the dark robe there is what looks like a young monk levitating - they do like to amuse themselves - levitating monk highlighted here: https://petraliverani.substack.com/publish/post/142116652.
I have changed the order of the photos so that they are in the chronological order suggested:
The white thing in pic "1" is probably the gas can, fallen over from the outward/upward whoosh of wind from the flames, and partially melted so it doesn't look quite the same as in pic "2". The "monk" in the background by the car is holding a camera - he may have trying to capture the occurrence, for several possible reasons. I can't tell if the other one you pointed out is levitating - not enough of him is seen to be able to tell. The self immolation is horrifying.
What you really need to argue for the photos to be kosher is an answer to the important discrepancies pointed out and you don't have that.
1. The "thing" doesn't look anything like the standing up gas can in any shape or form, it is not just that it is lying down. It tapers from its base while the gas can is clearly rectangular until its top where it has a handle and an opening which the "thing" doesn't have. Can you not see that the two objects clearly do not match?
2. Underneath what looks like a young monk levitating we can clearly see that there are no feet.
3. The people in the background on both pictures clearly don't match. Do you seriously think they'd be milling around in the middle of a self-immolation?
4. The alleged photographer has all the signs of working for intelligence.
If that isn't enough to convince you, OK. That's how they get away with their nonsense.
Was I "arguing for the photos to be kosher"??? I thought I was pointing out just a couple of things I noticed... Like, yes, that white "thing" in one pic could easily be the gas can seen in the other. Sorry you don't understand wind or fire. You might wanna get up on that. Of course, the people in the 2 pics are different - the pics were taken several minutes apart.. the people were milling around. Have you never seen pics of hangings? People mill around. Get some clues. But, you believe what you like.
So clearly in the first image we see no feet below what looks like a young monk, so it looks like levitation. That is abundantly clear. No feet. This makes no sense for a real event but it makes absolutely perfect sense for a psyop. I mean you can just see them having a laugh over that one and I can't help laughing myself even though I don't want to. I cannot help often finding the nonsense they come up with to amuse themselves amusing too even if I despise the way they are constantly psyopping us.
If we apply the psyop lens we can see other discrepancies which more easily support the psyop hypothesis than other possibilities so I'm going with psyop. If you choose not to so be it.
For psyop no assumptions or questions are raised about the "thing" having little resemblance to the petrol container whereas we need to make an assumption that the plastic fuel container melted and distorted to the odd shape in the other photo as we have no evidence of this occurring, for example, there's no hint of the fire going beyond the monk himself.
... then there's the problem of the legless monk
... and the problem of the people in the background looking quite different - grrlrocks thinks that the monks would indeed be milling around during the self-immolation however I myself do not think that would happen as I think normal people would simply be transfixed - I certainly would.
... and there's the journalist who worked for CFR
Occam's Razor says psyop but poetinapaperbag, you choose the hypothesis that you think fits best.
Thích Quảng Đức (chữ Hán: 釋廣德, Vietnamese: [tʰǐk̟ kʷâːŋ ɗɨ̌k] ⓘ; born Lâm Văn Túc; 1897 – 11 June 1963) was a Vietnamese Mahayana Buddhist monk who died by self-immolation at a busy Saigon road intersection on 11 June 1963.[2]
You are correct. My error was to transpose the 10th to the 11th as the day the media was notified, and then transpose the 11th to the 12th as the day of the self-immolation.
"On 10 June 1963, US correspondents were informed that "something important" would happen the following morning on the road outside the Cambodian embassy in Saigon.[24] Most of the reporters disregarded the message, since the Buddhist crisis had at that point been going on for more than a month, and the next day only a few journalists turned up, including David Halberstam of The New York Times and Malcolm Browne, the Saigon bureau chief for the Associated Press (AP)"
Yeah, I think you're right--fuel over his head and front, but ignited from the back. And he did look heavier, like he was wearing something underneath the uniform.
I have no idea why they would do this.
I think they have been psyop-ing people for forever (I'm thinking religion seems to be a psyop too)
They can totally fake anything now with AI. I remember during the global war OF terror days when they did lots of fake beheadings, and it seemed like they used green screen. But now, with AI, I think they can do anything. We truly can no longer trust anything we are shown. I just found a link to an audio book of John Wear's Germany's War, and was shocked to see that Lou Dobbs was reading the book and that it was aired on Lindell TV---I couldn't believe that Dobbs and Lindell were both receptive to revisionist WW2 history, but then I realized that guy who made the video somehow got AI to do it:
I consider these acts to be very effective anti-war statements. If you shout at the top of your lungs on a busy street few will pay attention, and you will receive no media publicity. But if you immolate yourself you will receive some publicity, though there will be attempts to stifle your voice.
If a person DESIRES a true event to be fake or a pseudo-event to be real, then this person will create rationalizations to satisfy his or her DESIRES. Human beings are experts at self-deception. This is why it’s so easy for the psychopaths — who are in the ruling positions within governments and the banking industry and organized establishments of religion — to deceive the masses. Rationalizations? Yes. Excuse-making and blame-shifting are both common examples.
No time to read 150 comments but I hope mine isn't the. Bushnell is ordered, "mandatory compliance," to report for military duty. I am guessing Bushnell contacted Max Blumenthal himself.
Blumenthal, Aaron Maté and Chris Hedges are among the most articulate opponents of the ongoing genocide.
There really is no other word for the level of military barbarism exercised by
Israel and the United States
This ridiculous Substack app is keeping me from pasting in link to Blumenthal tweet. Just search Max Blumenthal
I believe this media frenzy on him is a loosch ritual. Loosch = food for dark forces, generated by people being abused or by people watching others get abused. This man ended his life out of extreme distress and conviction about others being abused and murdered in Gaza. And now we can watch him kill himself over and over again, all over social media. I notice how much distress and adrenaline I feel now that I have seen it. Powerful. Loosch is no joke. How much life force did I lose to this?
"This man ended his life out of extreme distress and conviction about others being abused and murdered in Gaza." - Yes, this is the crux of this event. It's this simple. The remaining issue is that many of us who have lived more years under our tyrannical regimes are so jaded, that we no longer react to evil with the intensity that this young man did. Therefore, some of the most jaded of us pass it off as having to be a "psyop".
My reply was to Heidi; and, I started it out by repeating her second sentence and agreeing with it. As far as whether this was a "psyop", I believe that neither Heidi or myself believe this was a "psyop"; and, I didn't get the impression that you definitely did, either. But, again, my response was to Heidi.
I don't know for sure whether he was a member of radical groups; and, the Air Force would not have ever asked that question unless he was about to be assigned to a job that required a security clearance (They don't have the manpower to run a clearance on every recruit).
I'm not fighting your right or justification to ask questions here. It's your substack. It's just that I'll read and consider what you and others are discussing; but, I'm mainly satisfied by his statement (if I remember correctly, now that it's late and I'm tired (-:) that he was about to kill himself in protest to the genocide of Palestinians in Gaza. That was enough for me; because, that genocide and the U.S. government's complicity in it is greatly bothering me (I'm not a fan of extrajudicial murder). However, I'm so jaded by all of the evil our government (and other governments) has been involved in and our government's potential ability to harm anyone who speaks out against it, that I will hold back my disdain for issues I may be more able to affect.
Thank you Celia. Sadly most people shy away from asking such questions for fear of being ostracized. There is only one rational response - question EVERYTHING all the time.
Thank you for noticing and for asking these questions, Celia.
I can’t get over how on Substack, so many people are declaring “Don’t believe everything you see!” Yet, if they want to believe it, they swallow it whole, no questions asked. Since this is protesting Israel, they’re swallowing it, no questions asked. They WANT to believe it and will defend their “right” to.
The first time I saw the video, I thought MKUltra is alive and well, and had a few of the questions you asked, and found out quickly these questions are not welcome, or tolerated in many places.
Singing in the Dark, I immediately thought the same thing. MKUltra. Or could it be AI?
Well, who in hell can support this israeli murder of their victims...this is nothing but land stealing ethnic cleansing.
Who can support it is a question by itself.
The strangest thing I read about this story is that it is not the first one. Apparently there was another self immolation in December in Atlanta and also, I believe, in front of the embassy, No information has been released about the Atlanta event--not a name given. I believe I read this in the Zero Hedge story on Sunday. But two definitely makes it smell. War at any cost? I mean, that's the only referent at any rate--the monk protesting the Vietnam War.
It was not just the monks in Vietnam; a good article here: https://consortiumnews.com/2024/02/26/killing-oneself-to-try-to-stop-a-war/
Self-immolation as a protest has quite a tradition, also in 20th c. Europe. Two weeks after the Warsaw Pact (not just Soviet) invasion of Czechoslovakia, an accountant (could one get more inconspicuous and/or rational?) set himself on fire in a packed Warsaw stadium; in 1969, at least two Czech students did likewise. https://kafkadesk.org/2022/09/07/on-this-day-in-1968-pole-ryszard-siwiec-set-himself-on-fire-to-protest-warsaw-pact-invasion-of-czechoslovakia/
That's really interesting, thanks. It's super odd--don't you think--that Norman Morrison is featured on a North Korean stamp--but we've never heard of him? Or at least I had never heard of him. I'm not an expert, not by a long shot, on Vietnam or even the American protests--but I generally am acquainted with most of the basic issues. It is also striking that all of these self-immolations occurred in the 1960s. I always find it odd when something happens a lot during one brief period and then not again for 50 years.
Thanks for the info. VERY interesting.
Is the answer: The Church of Stockholm Syndrome?
This is a psyop, with the CIA & Mossad being the directors. I think it was a "deep fake" video, and the "fire" was the deep fake part. Since deepfake videos can completely use a persons face and voice, using a fire can also be done. The Mossad was experimenting with the new deepfake technology and did this as a way of propaganda in their favor. Also, to paint U.S. American service men as psycho, and thus persuade public opinion for the "need" of foreign soldiers(U.N.) governing the U.S. military affairs.
when you write, "...want to believe it,...", what is the "it"
you are referring to? His apparent protest of the Israeli genocide of Palestinians in Gaza?
That’s a fair question—it deserves to be answered. I think people—not all, many—want to believe a man in some capacity of having self-will, set himself on fire to protest atrocities. I’m aware of the atrocities. How does this”sacrifice” (satanic, human sacrifice fire ritual) help hungry women and children in Gaza, though? Thank you for asking—I wasn’t being sarcastic. But this possible set up/false flag event fuels the emotional anti-Israel fervor people are being caught up in. Our own government is using it to set us up for the One World Government/NWO whatever-it-will-be-called. “Peace in the MiddleEast!” headlines will initiate it.
I also would caution anyone interested that just as American citizens are not impressed with OBiden, but are not rising in arms to stop it (because we know we can’t right now), that does not mean we are complicit; and as Trudeau, Ardern and Netanyahu murdered Canadians, Kiwis, and Israelis, but these nations can’t rise up and overthrow their oppressive regimes right now either, what I do not know but suspect is Bibi released men on flying go carts to attack and kill his own citizens, (what a sick mockery), for an excuse to go to war (like our own Patriot Act after the 9/11 deceptions), to provoke other nations to fall in line for some greater ends far beyond my scope of understanding. All I can claim to know is a large percentage of Israeli citizens are not too impressed with their administration, and its atrocities, either. They shouldn’t be lumped in with the slaughterers, and people should delineate who is doing the killing. Russia describes the USA as a pedophilic nation, while those who protest pedophilia are shadow-banned or even sit in prison. Israel is no different in the battle its citizens face against their administration.
It’s almost all a sick psy-op, and I don’t know how to honor what is true, real, and worthy of energies and passion anymore. But Americans, and the rest of the world, are being greatly deceived about what is happening in Israel. We’re being manipulated for a specific end, and most Americans are riding that canoe toward the waterfall. Sadly, here on Substack, we’re eating it up, while believing ourselves to be “red-pilled” because Substack has (relatively) free (and quite manipulated) speech.
Again, thanks for asking. I hope that clarifies my earlier comment.
"It's almost all a sick psy-op." Yes.
Interesting history of responses to self-immolation by Glenn Greenwald. Typical hypocrisy of the Left. https://www.bitchute.com/video/jyED3aOkoNYw/
That's a relevant question regarding how the guy's suicide by fire helps any of the women and children in Gaza; but, I doubt the Airman was considering that question as much as he was believing his horrific self-sacrifice would definitely bring the genocide issue front and center.
Guess you weren't ever in the U.S. Air Force. were you...
I was, so I know what I'm talking about:
Air Force Identifies Airman Who Died in Self-Immolation
https://www.airandspaceforces.com/air-force-aaron-bushnell-self-immolation/
Feb 27, 2024 · The Air Force identified the Airman who died after setting himself on fire in front of the Israeli Embassy on Feb. 25 as Senior Airman Aaron James Bushnell,...
Senior Airman is an E-4, 3-stripes -- See https://www.federalpay.org/military/air-force/ranks
Your instincts/intuition are correct. We have devolved into a human, physical-sense virtual reality. Anything seen, heard, felt, tasted or smelt (writing, filmed, pod-casted) can be faked. Just the nature our experience right now. Challenging to say the least (but we can rely on our inner-knowing clairvoyance if we take the time to train ourselves).
Intuition…God/Creator given.
Here is the recording Aaron Bushnell made of the last 3 minutes of his life.
https://www.informationliberation.com/?id=64311
I judge him to have been sincere. In Buddhism this is known as "Great Compassion", which a mother with no arms feels as her child falls into a rushing river.
Jesus had this, too.
Judge for yourself.
I agree with you. Never occurred to me to question.
Jesus had what????
Jesus had what John described in 8:7. Woman; sin, and first stone. That sort of compassion.
I have a feeling you belong to the adherents of the Babylonian Talmud, in which case you need to reread the text. It refers to Jesus, describes his mother, and even defines his eternal fate. Surely it would be antisemantic to disregard all such reliable historical information provided.
No I do not adhere to the Talmud. It is a racist text and was written hundreds of years after the so called 'birth of Jesus Christ and therefore has no proof that Jesus ever existed
Yes...
Seems sus right? It very well could be that they are testing out the mind control that was deployed heavily on the armed forces through the hydrogel nanotech fakeccines.
I wondered that right away. But that would be some powerful mind control.
I put nothing past them.
Military grade:
https://archive.org/details/OperationMindControlResearchersEdition
Wow. I just read Lisa Pease’s book. Anything is possible. It’s been 56 years since RFK.
I’m 100% with you. When I saw the pic of him standing there calmly, engulfed in flames, I thought it was a fake. No way could someone endure the horrific pain of burning flesh, not only without flinching but seemingly oblivious. No one is THAT much of a psycho.
I couldn't watch, but I was hoping it was fake. I know back in the early days of the "global war on terror" they did lots of fake beheadings. So, I guess anything is possible.
It was fake ...unfortunately he didn't burn in heaven.
you think so or you know so?
The evidence suggests I think so.
The evidence will soon tell us what we know..
I hope you're right. Wonder why they did this.
One reason is the polemic it creates. (good old divide and rule)
Two reason is as a conscience mitigator after the event (Israels mass murders)
Three reason is "they" are insane, and they enjoy it.
Totally and obviously fake. Poor job with the CGI in the video is well. China faked setting people on fire years ago at Tiananmen square.
So says you. Now consult the first picture; it is supposed to be general knowledge. https://consortiumnews.com/2024/02/26/killing-oneself-to-try-to-stop-a-war/
You could be that much of a psycho if the right drugs were in your body.
That's true. It's a tragic death, no matter how it was done.
Not inappropriate but some of your questions have already been answered. The Air Force did claim him as an active duty member. He did do a video of himself saying he can no longer accept the genocide. He did a FB post with similar language. No, the military services only give the most basic psych exams. He's not the first immolation protest this year. Yes, war and genocide can drive some people crazy. But most important of all, there are some moments of moral conviction that shock us only because of the very amoral society we live in. For some, the contradictions are unbearable. I think that's what we should be talking about, not whether all the endless "what do we really know about him" questions.
“For some, the contradictions are unbearable.” I get it.
The endgame is to make us hate our governments so much, we demand a new way.
Or! Let's all get a clear conscience now the genocide and Lebensraum is done.
Like the "we realize now we made mistakes with covid vaccines"
Close the gate after the horse has bolted.
that is an interesting take, but it makes sense. I hadn't considered that approach. They make us hate them so much that when they propose the Great Reset, everyone will go "Yes, we want that , it will be so much better than what we have now!"
Scary!!!
They win either either
I’m so removed from the “news” now including “alt media” that other than notice this story going “viral” I knew no details until I read your post. Yes your excellent questions prove it’s an obvious op.
I think the rule for truthers should be that if something blows up on Twitter then we should automatically assume it’s fake or an op until proven otherwise. We need to stop reacting immediately to carrots being dangled in front of us.
We need ultra discernment
the sheer amount of violence we are all subject to is beyond human ability to process. psyops or not just the IDEA anyone doing this and filming it is demoralizing and deeply deeply sad
Yes, I was hoping for him and his family that it was not true. I honestly don't know at this point.
In June of 1963, Vietnamese Mahayana Buddhist monk Thích Quang Duc burned himself to death at a busy intersection in Saigon....that was real.
Indeed.
No it wasn't ... a fact I only realised when prompted by this article and another comment on Thích Quang Duc - see my comment: https://celiafarber.substack.com/p/is-it-inappropriate-to-ask-basic/comment/50438872
Some people put the cart before the horse.
Some donkeys put photo B before Photo A and create real anachronisms.
If I referred to the first photo as if it were second chronologically that was an error. I guess I should have made it clear that they were in the wrong order chronologically. Of course, as it was a psyop it would be typical for Wikipedia to place them in the wrong order.
Wikipedia didn't place them in any order ...YOU DID.
No Wikipedia has the second one chronologically first.
Link to first photo below which is second chronologically - when you click the Next button you go to the earlier photo (well, allegedly earlier photo - it's a total scam).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Th%C3%ADch_Qu%E1%BA%A3ng_%C4%90%E1%BB%A9c#/media/File:Self-immolation_of_Thich_Quang_Duc.jpg
"NEXT BUTTON"? You were trying to convince readers that propter hoc, was post hoc.
Weren't you?
He’s supposedly the second person who has done this. I wonder if there are similarities between them.
June 11, 1963, in front of the US Embassy in Saigon, Buddhist monk, Thích Quảng Đức burned himself to death, in peaceful protest of America's war. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Th%C3%ADch_Qu%E1%BA%A3ng_%C4%90%E1%BB%A9c
And Jan Palach. Remember Jan Palach?
Jan Palach (Czech pronunciation: [jan ˈpalax]; 11 August 1948 – 19 January 1969) was a Czech student of history and political economics at Charles University in Prague. His self-immolation was a political protest against the end of the Prague Spring resulting from the 1968 invasion of Czechoslovakia by the Warsaw Pact armies.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Palach
OK, I haven't looked, but I was just prompted by both your article and the comment about Thích Quảng Đức's self-immolation to question it (see my comment). I bet Jan Palach's was fake as well and just as I would not be surprised if no suicide bombing has ever occurred I would not be the least surprised if no self-immolation has ever occurred, at least not since the time of the intelligence operatives ... and who can say when they started?
Everything is fake ..only hasbara is real.
It seems to me that a monk, who probably has had many years of meditation training, could put himself into a trancelike like state where he feels no pain. But not your run of the mill 25 year old American.
He was 65 or 66. That's my age.
I meditate on compassion, which is what a Mahayana Buddhist Monk meditates upon.
I feel pain. He felt pain. It's not like Fentanyl.
Compassion is just compassion.
Meditation on Emptiness. And with the realization of emptiness comes infinite compassion for all sentient beings. It's great to see a fellow practitioner here. _/\_ _/\_ _/\_
That paid-off snake was another Timothy McVeigh.
June 11 actually. This article with your comment prompted me to question Thích Quảng Đức's self-immolation. So right off the bat we have that number so favoured by the Freemasons - 11.
Then we have photos (why not film footage as it was known in advance judging by the fact that journalist, Malcolm Browne, was there to capture it and we see a monk with a camera in his hands?).
This is what Wikipedia tells us about Malcolm, note stint at CFR.
"Browne worked for ABC TV for about a year but became dissatisfied with television journalism,[1] and worked freelance for several years. He did a year's fellowship at Columbia University with the Council on Foreign Relations. In 1968, he joined The New York Times, becoming its correspondent for South America in 1972. Having worked as a chemist prior to becoming a journalist,[3] in 1977 Browne became a science writer, serving as a senior editor for Discover. He returned to the Times in 1985, and went on to cover the Persian Gulf War in 1991."
EDITED in response to comments:
Notice how in the first photo there is what clearly looks like a container of petrol or similar standing up seemingly lying on the ground to the left of the monk while in the same spot in the second there is a white "thing" that has few of the characteristics of the container - comments suggest that the container has been deformed by fire, however, there is no hint of fire moving beyond the monk and there is no obvious clear sense of melting or how this deformation would occur.
Also generally the people in the background do not look the same in each photo - seriously people are milling around during a self-immolation? - notably on the extreme right of the first photo there is someone kneeling (no one kneeling in the second photo) and also in the full-immolation photo towards the right and on the left of the monk in the dark robe there is what looks like a young monk levitating - they do like to amuse themselves - levitating monk highlighted here: https://petraliverani.substack.com/publish/post/142116652.
I have changed the order of the photos so that they are in the chronological order suggested:
First photo (click back arrow for second photo):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Th%C3%ADch_Qu%E1%BA%A3ng_%C4%90%E1%BB%A9c#/media/File:Th%C3%ADch_Qu%E1%BA%A3ng_%C4%90%E1%BB%A9c_self-immolation.jpg
Second photo:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Th%C3%ADch_Qu%E1%BA%A3ng_%C4%90%E1%BB%A9c#/media/File:Self-immolation_of_Thich_Quang_Duc.jpg
The white thing in pic "1" is probably the gas can, fallen over from the outward/upward whoosh of wind from the flames, and partially melted so it doesn't look quite the same as in pic "2". The "monk" in the background by the car is holding a camera - he may have trying to capture the occurrence, for several possible reasons. I can't tell if the other one you pointed out is levitating - not enough of him is seen to be able to tell. The self immolation is horrifying.
What you really need to argue for the photos to be kosher is an answer to the important discrepancies pointed out and you don't have that.
1. The "thing" doesn't look anything like the standing up gas can in any shape or form, it is not just that it is lying down. It tapers from its base while the gas can is clearly rectangular until its top where it has a handle and an opening which the "thing" doesn't have. Can you not see that the two objects clearly do not match?
2. Underneath what looks like a young monk levitating we can clearly see that there are no feet.
3. The people in the background on both pictures clearly don't match. Do you seriously think they'd be milling around in the middle of a self-immolation?
4. The alleged photographer has all the signs of working for intelligence.
If that isn't enough to convince you, OK. That's how they get away with their nonsense.
Was I "arguing for the photos to be kosher"??? I thought I was pointing out just a couple of things I noticed... Like, yes, that white "thing" in one pic could easily be the gas can seen in the other. Sorry you don't understand wind or fire. You might wanna get up on that. Of course, the people in the 2 pics are different - the pics were taken several minutes apart.. the people were milling around. Have you never seen pics of hangings? People mill around. Get some clues. But, you believe what you like.
The "whoosh" from the fire would've knocked over that "can" in the first photo.
So clearly in the first image we see no feet below what looks like a young monk, so it looks like levitation. That is abundantly clear. No feet. This makes no sense for a real event but it makes absolutely perfect sense for a psyop. I mean you can just see them having a laugh over that one and I can't help laughing myself even though I don't want to. I cannot help often finding the nonsense they come up with to amuse themselves amusing too even if I despise the way they are constantly psyopping us.
If we apply the psyop lens we can see other discrepancies which more easily support the psyop hypothesis than other possibilities so I'm going with psyop. If you choose not to so be it.
It's a plastic fuel container..it melted and distorted.
For psyop no assumptions or questions are raised about the "thing" having little resemblance to the petrol container whereas we need to make an assumption that the plastic fuel container melted and distorted to the odd shape in the other photo as we have no evidence of this occurring, for example, there's no hint of the fire going beyond the monk himself.
... then there's the problem of the legless monk
... and the problem of the people in the background looking quite different - grrlrocks thinks that the monks would indeed be milling around during the self-immolation however I myself do not think that would happen as I think normal people would simply be transfixed - I certainly would.
... and there's the journalist who worked for CFR
Occam's Razor says psyop but poetinapaperbag, you choose the hypothesis that you think fits best.
"What you really need to argue for the photos to be kosher is an answer..."
Hasbara, on the other hand, is self-evidently true in all cases.
My comment was in error:
Yes, June 11, 1963 was the day of the self-immolation protest.
According to Wikipedia 11 June. What's your source for 12?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Th%C3%ADch_Qu%E1%BA%A3ng_%C4%90%E1%BB%A9c
Thích Quảng Đức (chữ Hán: 釋廣德, Vietnamese: [tʰǐk̟ kʷâːŋ ɗɨ̌k] ⓘ; born Lâm Văn Túc; 1897 – 11 June 1963) was a Vietnamese Mahayana Buddhist monk who died by self-immolation at a busy Saigon road intersection on 11 June 1963.[2]
You are correct. My error was to transpose the 10th to the 11th as the day the media was notified, and then transpose the 11th to the 12th as the day of the self-immolation.
"On 10 June 1963, US correspondents were informed that "something important" would happen the following morning on the road outside the Cambodian embassy in Saigon.[24] Most of the reporters disregarded the message, since the Buddhist crisis had at that point been going on for more than a month, and the next day only a few journalists turned up, including David Halberstam of The New York Times and Malcolm Browne, the Saigon bureau chief for the Associated Press (AP)"
I am sorry. Please accept my apology.
Second photo is first photo in the time line.
I mentioned this today to some people. Clueless as usual.
;-(
See my reply to John Dissed, above.
See my reply to John Dissed, above.
The Monk was real... The pissant in the fire suit was B-Grade psyop.
He poured the fuel all over his head and front ..and only the rear of his uniform (fire suit) ignited.
Yeah, I think you're right--fuel over his head and front, but ignited from the back. And he did look heavier, like he was wearing something underneath the uniform.
I have no idea why they would do this.
I think they have been psyop-ing people for forever (I'm thinking religion seems to be a psyop too)
Why give the public "Burning Man" ?????
Think, Jesus died for our sins.
Our sins? Not calling out Israels genocide.
Our redeemer? Burning Man.
Get it?
They can totally fake anything now with AI. I remember during the global war OF terror days when they did lots of fake beheadings, and it seemed like they used green screen. But now, with AI, I think they can do anything. We truly can no longer trust anything we are shown. I just found a link to an audio book of John Wear's Germany's War, and was shocked to see that Lou Dobbs was reading the book and that it was aired on Lindell TV---I couldn't believe that Dobbs and Lindell were both receptive to revisionist WW2 history, but then I realized that guy who made the video somehow got AI to do it:
https://odysee.com/@FLOOD:3/Germany's-War-Part-01:5
Lou looks like he's gained an extra set of teeth. :-)
It’s not the second, it’s at least the third. Norman Morrison was another, and there may have been several more. (Jan Palach, mentioned here by John Day, was protesting in a somewhat different situation, though the spirit of self-sacrifice in solidarity with humanity was similar.) See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Morrison#:~:text=On%20November%202%2C%201965%2C%20Morrison,War%2C%20leading%20to%20his%20death.
I consider these acts to be very effective anti-war statements. If you shout at the top of your lungs on a busy street few will pay attention, and you will receive no media publicity. But if you immolate yourself you will receive some publicity, though there will be attempts to stifle your voice.
For more context on Aaron Bushnell see Scott Ritter - A Reflection on Duty and Conscience: Aaron Bushnell: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWUjRDEm2bw
Thank you for the info.
I heard somebody (a woman) did this in Atlanta. Not sure if she died as well.
If a person DESIRES a true event to be fake or a pseudo-event to be real, then this person will create rationalizations to satisfy his or her DESIRES. Human beings are experts at self-deception. This is why it’s so easy for the psychopaths — who are in the ruling positions within governments and the banking industry and organized establishments of religion — to deceive the masses. Rationalizations? Yes. Excuse-making and blame-shifting are both common examples.
No time to read 150 comments but I hope mine isn't the. Bushnell is ordered, "mandatory compliance," to report for military duty. I am guessing Bushnell contacted Max Blumenthal himself.
Blumenthal, Aaron Maté and Chris Hedges are among the most articulate opponents of the ongoing genocide.
There really is no other word for the level of military barbarism exercised by
Israel and the United States
This ridiculous Substack app is keeping me from pasting in link to Blumenthal tweet. Just search Max Blumenthal
and Aaron Bushnell and you will find it!
https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1762196403969728851
I believe this media frenzy on him is a loosch ritual. Loosch = food for dark forces, generated by people being abused or by people watching others get abused. This man ended his life out of extreme distress and conviction about others being abused and murdered in Gaza. And now we can watch him kill himself over and over again, all over social media. I notice how much distress and adrenaline I feel now that I have seen it. Powerful. Loosch is no joke. How much life force did I lose to this?
I never heard of that Heidi. I think you're right.
And the American Military gets a tangent approval from the American public.
All Americas' dirty military deeds are now forgiven ..till the next dirty deed.
Brilliant Strategy isn't it?
"This man ended his life out of extreme distress and conviction about others being abused and murdered in Gaza." - Yes, this is the crux of this event. It's this simple. The remaining issue is that many of us who have lived more years under our tyrannical regimes are so jaded, that we no longer react to evil with the intensity that this young man did. Therefore, some of the most jaded of us pass it off as having to be a "psyop".
I don't feel I am asking questions out of jadedness. I am not questioning anybody's horror. I am questioning what I am questioning, clearly stated.
My reply was to Heidi; and, I started it out by repeating her second sentence and agreeing with it. As far as whether this was a "psyop", I believe that neither Heidi or myself believe this was a "psyop"; and, I didn't get the impression that you definitely did, either. But, again, my response was to Heidi.
So we should not ask any questions? Why he was a member of radical groups? Why Air Force never thought to ask?
I don't know for sure whether he was a member of radical groups; and, the Air Force would not have ever asked that question unless he was about to be assigned to a job that required a security clearance (They don't have the manpower to run a clearance on every recruit).
I'm not fighting your right or justification to ask questions here. It's your substack. It's just that I'll read and consider what you and others are discussing; but, I'm mainly satisfied by his statement (if I remember correctly, now that it's late and I'm tired (-:) that he was about to kill himself in protest to the genocide of Palestinians in Gaza. That was enough for me; because, that genocide and the U.S. government's complicity in it is greatly bothering me (I'm not a fan of extrajudicial murder). However, I'm so jaded by all of the evil our government (and other governments) has been involved in and our government's potential ability to harm anyone who speaks out against it, that I will hold back my disdain for issues I may be more able to affect.
Fake.
I lost no life force ...I look at the details available in the videos and photos.
Those details tell me that it is fake.
Thank you Celia. Sadly most people shy away from asking such questions for fear of being ostracized. There is only one rational response - question EVERYTHING all the time.