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Christine S's avatar

This is hideous and heart-breaking.

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Bassehound's avatar

Sadly the hate on both sides is a no win for the common man. The bankers and military industrial complex will be the only winners. I

use to think there was only hate on one side until Oct 8 and saw the hate on a side of (now former) friends I had never seen before. I refused to take sides as nothing made sense, why such a delayed response I asked. That seemed to become hate speech. Heartbreaking to see as there has been trauma either physical or emotional from innocent people that will never be repaired.

Now we will likely start to feel the pain here as our people are dragged into another senseless war. From doing genealogy and reading civil war records of ancestors there is NO good outcome even for survivals. For those who survive with little to no physical harm there are decades of lasting trama that does not go away.

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Phillip Badger's avatar

STFU you grotesque Nazi inhuman PIG

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Bassehound's avatar

Lol, a very happy camper!

Wishing you a nice day:)

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Phillip Badger's avatar

Anyone talking about “both sides” is a lying racist inhuman monster. Yes, you.

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Bassehound's avatar

Lol, a very happy camper you are Phillip. Enjoy your hate.

Wishing you a delightful day:)

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Michael Framson's avatar

Bassehound, Can you tell me what Mike Hucklebee's message is to Trump? What is he saying exactly?

Thanks.

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Bassehound's avatar

I have no clue, I do not pay attention to Mike Huckabee.

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Billy Thistle's avatar

Your anger over Israel is understandable. There are not two sides to the issue of Palestine. Never have been. But stop using the NAZI shibboleth. It's played out and majorly inaccurate. Germany soon supported the Mufti of Jerusalem against the British and the Zionists. National Socialist infamy is based on the so-called death camps, which became such only when the infrastructure broke down and typhus ran rampant in the last six months of the war. The concentration camps were deportation camps awaiting the end of the war. The Final Solution was deportation. Gas chambers were sheds for delousing lice w/ Zyklon B.

Overcome your prejudice and fear and read any of the old revisionist writers like Faurisson or Rudolf or even E Michael Jones's Holocaust Narrative . Become knowledgeable instead of relying on a bankrupt legend concocted by the usual suspects.

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Phillip Badger's avatar

Dude. “Nazi” means fascist, genocidal, mass-murdering, totalitarian nutjobs. Nobody except people like yourself think we’re calling them “Nazis” because they are German speaking goose-stepping Nazis from 75 years ago. Please.

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Billy Thistle's avatar

So you continue to accept the lies of the victors instead of looking into a different narrative of what happened. The Allies manufactured consent to cover up their own atrocities. The Jews had been talking of 6 million imperiled co-tribalists before and during the first world war. Just co-incidence that that number became engraved in stone after the second? Churchill, Eisenhower and deGaulle wrote voluminous memoirs after the war. None of them mentioned gas chambers or Holocaust? Strange oversight? Not worth looking into when it would change everything we think we know about Germany and the Jews?

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Louka's avatar

How anyone can still argue about "sides" in this situation and not condemn what is happening as a complete horror that can not, in any way, shape, or form, be justified is totally beyond me. Yet, they still do.

After watching some, but not all, of the videos you posted--in an attempt to continue to "bear witness" to the plight of the Palestinian people, something I've been doing with a sense of despair for decades--I just broke down in tears. The world is being run by madmen (and a few women) whichever way you look. As far as what I, you, or any of us who opposes this slaughter can do, as we watch in horror a genocide being executed in real time, all I can come up with is to contribute the bit of money that I can to organizations in Gaza that, despite everything, are still somehow providing what limited help they can to their starving and tramatized brothers and sisters. Tonight, that meant a donation to MECA, Middle East Childen's Alliance, which is using solar power to keep a few kitchens going: mecaforpeace.org

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Sean Garrisson's avatar

i did

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Dr Dennis Kinnane OMD LAc RPh's avatar

The BIG LIE is that all the Palestinians love and supported Hamas. I will tell you who DID support Hamas and that is Netanyahu who used them to break apart the Palestinian coalition after he was complicit in the murder of Yitzak Rabin.. an Israeli war hero who had signed the Peace accord with Yasser Arafat... the Palestinian people just wanted their own country from what was left of what the British had taken over in WWI and the Zionists had turned into Israel. They could have lived together but the Ultra Right Likudnics would never have that. Israel could never live with it's neighbors as long as Likud and the religious right demanded ALL of the territory PLUS. Sadly the United States and the Jewish people have been puppets for Israel throughout the humiliation and destruction of the non Jewish people there..

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Catherina's avatar

As far as I know the non-Jewish live amongst the Jews and are represented in the government .................. the desert was desolate as was Jerusalem when the people came back to their land. Arabs flocked there for the economic opportunities and to escape their own people trodding them down. When the Arabs were going to chase the 'Jews' into the sea, those many deades ago, the Arabs there were chased into camps by Arabs and being kept in 'refugee camps' for decades by the UN. Hence Gaza et al. all UN makings. Wonder why it is necessary to have refugees for nearly a hundred years? Netanyahu must be more than a hundred years old to be the guilty one .................... or is it rather that he has to negate all the evil to look after his people and the region. It includes the non-Jews who benefitted from the civilization brought to the area, by the people returning to their land - the ones for centuries saying to each other: Next year in Jerusalem. Yasser Arafat stole the 'Palestinian' identity to make up a so called nation - there was no Palestinian nation, the Jerusalem Post was the Palestinian Post and the Palestinian Brigade in WW2, were Jewish ........... The world is misinformed. Decades ago the 'horrible drought in Ethiopia', was actually communities chased into the desert from their arable land and then used to get the world to send aid - people were starved and fed like chickens. It is not unusual for the world to be lied to .......

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Frances Leader's avatar

You have been lied to.... Palestine was full of indigenous people before 1948. They had passports, coinage, films, industries and active ports. It was NOT deserted. During the Nakba whole villages were depopulated and bulldozed flat.

Thanks for the comment above.... it neatly reveals Hasbara education in its most stark naivete.

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kp's avatar

Thank you, Celia, for continuing to report on these unconscionable atrocities. Take care of yourself as best you can as well.

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John Visher's avatar

What Jews do in Gaza they wish to do in America.

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nymusicdaily's avatar

it's hardly just jews. it's the whole cabal. gaza is the beta test for the rest of the 15 minute prisons. hypernormalization, as it was called in the soviet union

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John Visher's avatar

The cabal is mostly Jews. USA power structure mostly Jews. Bolsheviks, bankers, CCP, bomb makers, blackmailers. The list goes on. Mostly Jews.

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David Westerlund's avatar

Look at history. When has it not been j00 interference. Even the USA "good war", was only GOOD because he helped the j00s. 88&8s,Dave

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kilquor2nd's avatar

Solzhenitsyn does call a ''zek'' mentality an extension of auswitz .

Hardly hypernoramlisation - although apt .

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Joe's avatar

Satan always seems to win, in the long, and short run. The Israeli government is completely controlled by a demonic energy that has a blood lust that can never be satisfied. Literally, they will not stop until every non-Zionist is murdered, raped, crushed, mutilated, starved, disfigured, tortured or killed. And the most powerful person on planet earth, Donald Trump, apparently is completely aligned with this now.

I have no idea what to do…I think there is nothing to do…to watch or not to watch…..as you say, Celia, to watch, while powerless to change ANYTHING, simply normalizes atrocities through conditioning….we stand mute before a live-streamed horror without parallel in recent history, and unique in the fact that it is almost entirely funded by external sources, primarily US taxpayers, including, if not especially, by those who voted to MAGA. MAGA is done with….it has gone more deeply evil in a shorter period of time than I thought possible. MAGA has become the latest iteration of deep state demonic energy waving an American flag and mouthing platitudes about America first, while every action taken by the leaders is destroying our country, our economy, our hearts and our souls.

What the fuck is there to do? How can we save anyone, even one person? How can we hold this bottom feeding scum accountable?

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richardw's avatar

If only it was funded by US taxpayers, then we might have some small measure of control in that you can’t bleed a turnip and you can’t get money beyond what people have. The fact is that the war machine is funded 100% by fake money creation that is completely out of the control of the citizens. In the past, when citizens were universally poor, the wealthy had to use their wealth to fund war, the citizens were just cannon fodder. The money isn’t even created by the fed or the treasury, the pentagon has how much money missing now? It’s the same as being an independent money machine for evil.

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Bob Knutson's avatar

Then do nothing, which is your only option anyway. The world is a super nasty place. Things far worse than this are going on everywhere; you just don’t get to see it in video. The first time you come up on a civilian who has had their eyes gouged out with spoons and fingers and toes cut off, you know what is actually possible and easily so by some peoples. This has been going on for centuries. Genghis Khan destroyed entire regions and slaughters everyone for just putting up a fight. He killed may 80 million with swords. It is the human condition. Our soft comfortable western life is the outlier.

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Joe's avatar

I have my doubts that there is anything “far worse “ than Israeli directed genocide going on “everywhere”, but, to the extent that that is true, the Zionist butchery is a bi-partisan supported, citizen-funded abomination which has no parallel in history than I’m aware of. It’s live streamed. People are fully aware. Both MAGA and “progressives” are fully onboard with the atrocities as they grovel before the Zionist demons. And you’re right: there’s nothing anyone can do but to never forget, to remember the names, to avenge the dead if ever possible.

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Deborah Marsh's avatar

This is a bunch of misinterpretation and fabrication that doesn’t equate to reality. It’s very shocking. It’s very emotionally charged, but it’s not based on truth concerning cause and actual intent or motive. Much of what is going on is couched in questionable terms and biased reporting involving a game of blame that doesn’t equate to truth. It just doesn’t add up.

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Un-silent's avatar

Any Christian who thinks this is acceptable does not follow Jesus Christ.

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iterating Roger W.'s avatar

I agree.

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CollDoll's avatar

Thank you Celia. This post is a soul crusher. I hope you have a long rest. These type of stories are crushing to curate.

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Joanie Higgs's avatar

I cannot look.

Mike Huckabee trying to persuade Trump to go to war for Israel, makes him the anti-christ in my opinion. Trump is proving himself to have been a fraud all along.

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iterating Roger W.'s avatar

I think it was the apostle John who wrote in an epistle that there would be many anti-Christs.

Most certainly, those who favor mass murder are in opposition to Jesus Christ. It was easier to know them back in the day, with the Dark Sun and the Swastika and the skull and bones and the dragons. Very obvious symbols. Today, they hide behind the Cross and the Eagle and the stars and the Laurel Wreath. United Nations Against God.

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Catherina's avatar

Read it again. you are making assumptions. Assumptions rule everywhere, hence all the hate .

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Daisy Moses Chief Crackpot's avatar

humbly submitted:

https://melaniephillips.substack.com/p/europe-turns-against-israel?

"This week, there have been three successive days of claims that the Israel Defence Forces have been “massacring” Gazans queuing for food provided by the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation, the new aid distribution centre operated by America and backed by Israel.

Those claims, which have been debunked by the available evidence, are effectively blood libels against Israel. It’s Hamas that has been killing Gazan civilians and trying to stop them from receiving this food aid, and Hamas operatives who have been killed by Israel as a result.

Hamas is desperate to stop Gazans from obtaining this newly organised aid because it has the capacity to destroy its power over the population. Accordingly, it’s been provoking gun battles with the IDF and then claiming these are massacres by Israel of those queuing for food.

This has been uncritically regurgitated by Western media outlets, which have been channeling such Hamas propaganda ever since the atrocities in Israel on October 7 2023.

As a result, countless people now believe that Israel is wantonly killing Gazan civilians, starving Gazan babies and even committing genocide. All these allegations are the opposite of the truth and defy reason itself.

The outcome is an atmosphere of hysteria and incitement in which the cause of “Free Palestine” and “End Zionists” ...

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there ARE 2 sides but one is hidden by design.... jus' sayin' (feel free ta ignore/dismiss/despise/condemn) all u see is not what is bein' shown on the "screen" (a show / Middle Eastern "Thee-Ate-Er")

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Celia Farber's avatar

I feel for you, sorry to say, if you find this writer, and that writing, to be the counter-weight to what I have posted. She cites ZERO evidence. This is specious.

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Daisy Moses Chief Crackpot's avatar

https://tinyurl.com/24buvba5

https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/defense-news/article-857360

ain't denyin' a lotta deaths on Israel's hands tho' my take on the war ain't like most here (i.e. evil zionist entity should be razed, beeuteeful hamass elevated....) but that duz not matter here. Few know that BOTH sides offer fakery--yup Pallywood is real an' there's a lot of it. one kin use old footage, mix old & new, fake a lot an' easily. They have studios an' editin' suites too... the alt narrative is absurd (sorry)....

This is what most folks wanna believe....

evil bloodthirsty Israel lures innocent women & children of Gaza inta corrals pretendin' ta deliver food (an' they do this with a Trump-appointed American Org) knowin' the eyes of the world are upon them an' like some kinda Straw Dogs shoot out they "gleefully" murder all the innocent people in a blood bath an' they do this "all the time"--really...? Folks kin hate da joos an' Israelis all they wish...they kin trust HamAss with all their hearts (send yer own kiddos over ta Gaza an' see how that goes -- didn't go too well fer this fella but hey... mebbe he's an exception? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vittorio_Arrigoni)

I didn't mention fakery--just a frame up but yup, it wuz in my mind... I offered this alt. take politely--there were a couple retractions done in some papers online....

from all I gather when HamAss came in to distrupt food delivery some shots were fired ONLY at the attackers, NOT at the innocent people gettin' food.... don't need ta believe me--just offerin' an'nuther angle....

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iterating Roger W.'s avatar

I didn't know Phillips. I've searched information about her. Also Rumble videos. When she speaks, she gives signals of sociopathy. Look how she tries to overwhelm the people she converses with. In this case, the body language is very telling. From that, I deduce she is a natural liar, and very experienced.

I apologize to you, Daisy, if my judgment of her seems harsh, but there is a real genocide going on. The Nazis hid what they were doing in Poland, with the help of Western journos. It was all planned by Albert Spike (see what I did there?) Today, people like Phillips are hiding crimes against humanity, with the utmost professionalism. All masonic. No moral restraint, no real emotion, no logic, and no real argument. Just evil lies.

Yes, to every story there are two sides. At least two. But the evidence is overwhelming in this case. It's not Hamas who is killing the prisoners of Netanyahu's open-air extermination camp. And the other countries (Sunni Islam) have signed a deal with Israel extermination program. Not unlike some European countries did with the Nazis.

We are seeing an extra wicked epoch of humanity. We are seeing how the sausage of history is made. Take a step back and contemplate eternity, is my advice.

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Daisy Moses Chief Crackpot's avatar

Phillips has been around a long time--I find her calm, articulate, an' perceptive--feel free ta disregard. I disagree this is extermination 'er genocide but everyone had his take on this war. I'm no fan of BBGun (as I call 'im) or his tactics but if Israel wanted ta eliminate every human in Gaza they could'a done it nearly 2 years ago. It's brutal, it's war, it's not conducted well by either side (I know many fine HamAss's actions noble resistance, not me...) but also it's full fakery on BOTH sides. I don't see this at all related ta WWII or Nazis but again, if folks wanna call Israel a Nazi-Zionist Entity it's fine with me.... I know many Israelis an' they ain't the blood thirsty monsters most folks think they are.... I'm sure few will buy my take, all fine. I just share from time ta time....

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iterating Roger W.'s avatar

I'm sure most Israelis are not blood thirsty monsters. But they have a problem: their country is has been ruled by blood-thirty monsters for too many years.

I don't know what can they do about it.

Some israelis who were taken hostage have had the extreme courage of denouncing Netanyahu and his gang. The deflection is all too easy: Stockholm syndrome. But maybe not!

Is there a war at all? One side has no regular army, no supplies, no weapons, no allies. Was there any battle anywhere?

It doesn't seem much of a war to me.

The leaders of Hamas may be corrupt. Sure, why not. But children have not done anything to anyone. They didn't vote for Hamas. They haven't kidnapped anyone. No shooting by children, no beheadings by children, no car bombings done by children. Nothing. Same is true for many adults. They've done nothing. Jews were accused by Nazis of seducing German women and prostituting them, and using drugs, and doing espioinage for the Bolsheviks and the British and many other things. But the children of the German and Polish and Romanian Jews never did anything. And most Jews that were exterminated by Nazis also didn't do anything. The imputation of the violent crimes of a few to all the group is the hallmark of totalitarian extermination, in my view. Collective guilt. It's also an insult to God. An usurpation of God's authority. I see similarities.

And Melanie is a good candidate to be the modern Julius Streicher. Can she draw anything at all? She does write caricatures, of grisly and gory fantasy.

Careful with her, Daisy. These people are like The Mule, they have an inborn knack to mind control people.

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Daisy Moses Chief Crackpot's avatar

bottom line: the IDF is wrongly portrayed as selectin' children & women an' shootin' 'em on purpose... that's not the case. IDF at meal deliveries did two things...other than deliver food...when Hamass (not ordinary folks) tried ta stop the distribution aggressively, IDF shot inta the air hurtin' nobuddy. At a second incident Hamass came in with guns an' tried ta physically stop the distribution puttin' all at risk (the Gazans, the IDF etc) an IDF shot at Hamass...NOT at civilians. Some IDF have spoken out 'bout wrongs done--good on 'em.... NOBUDDY in Hamass has any moral qualms 'cept the son of the leader who "defected." They'll "all in" an' they are not friends or ordinary folks. The world thinks that 'cept fer a few that vocally objected, the IDF is rotten an' murders children & women "on purpose" an' babies are a special "goal." Trooth is two generals said none in Gaza are innocents if they voted fer Hamass & that caused a HUGE uproar... that is NOT the view of the IDF an' reflected poorly on them. That said, of COURSE there are a few unhinged soldiers but all Israelis over 18 serve in the IDF an' most are decent humans an' ain't usin' children fer target practice. Initially there was crazy bombin' goin' on but (deny it er not) that's b/c Hamass "loves" Gazans so much it hides it's operatives (imho they are all terrorists) under skools, nurseries, hoss-spit-alls, & apt. blds. IDF has tried ta navigate a difficult war--I realize most folks say that Israel belongs to the "Palestinians" (long story but they are not a real naytion 'er people--used ta be joos were residents of Palestine...I'll skip that piece'o' hist'ry) an' they should give it "back" & leave. Sure...who wants 5 million joos? NOBUDDY! Can the live in peace with the "Palestinians" who vow ta kill 'em all -- kill ever joo even behind every tree? Nope. Hence the conflict. I won't argue this--folks have vastly different views of Israel which is nuthin' but a rogue "zionist entity" ta them... all fine--but it duz git under my skin when IDF are accused of lurin' "innocents" with promises of food an' then trappin' 'em an' murderin' 'em in cold blood. That ain't the case -- folks are free ta believe whut they will. Not only Phillps said this is just plain wrong... I put a couple of many links above...also questionin' the accusations. Of course folks kin believe they are fake...that anyone I cite is lyin' & dangerous an' that's all fine too... I still believe there ARE two sides ta all've this... but clearly one side is winnin' an' (imho) what's "black & white" to most ain't at all the case... I'll let it go--I don't believe what wuz shared nor the narrative attached hence my suggestin' (humbly) that it stunk like 5 day old fish...

ps re Phillips--of course ya'll kin dismiss her-she ain't a nobuddy 'er a spook -- she's a well respected journalist but I know journalists that don't hold the "same views" are not ta be trusted...short bio fwiw

Biography

Melanie Phillips is a British journalist, broadcaster and author. Her weekly column, which currently appears in The Times of London, has been published over the years in the Guardian, Observer, Sunday Times and Daily Mail. She also writes for the Jewish Chronicle and Jewish News Syndicate, is a regular panellist on BBC Radio’s The Moral Maze and speaks on public platforms throughout the English-speaking world.

Her best-selling book Londonistan, about the British establishment’s capitulation to Islamist aggression, was published in 2006 by Encounter, New York. She followed this in 2010 with The World Turned Upside Down: the Global Battle over God, Truth and Power, with a foreword by David Mamet and also published by Encounter.

An updated paperback edition of Guardian Angel, her personal and political memoir, was published in the US by Bombardier in January 2018. You can read about it and order a copy from Amazon here.

Her first novel, The Legacy, was published by Bombardier in April 2018. You can read about it and order a copy from Amazon here.

You can follow Melanie’s work at melaniephillips.substack.com or on Twitter at @MelanieLatest

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iterating Roger W.'s avatar

Could you be wrong, Daisy?

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Phillip Badger's avatar

You’re a sick satanic fuck

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iterating Roger W.'s avatar

Don't be so mean. Daisy Moses is a nice person. I've known her for years now.

Instead, you can say "Ma'am Sir, you sound like an unreliable random commenter promoting unamerican ideas and general chaos with a hebraic argumentation line in disrepair, that also lacks proper evidence, Ma'am Sir, Sir."

Much nicer!

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Fil666's avatar

Time to block the Ziobots

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Phillip Badger's avatar

Time to remove them completely. They are demonic.

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Petra Liverani's avatar

Yes but is anybody killing anybody, Daisy. It's Russian Dolls within Russian Dolls. Analysis of images here: https://petraliverani.substack.com/p/0bed55b1-569a-4474-af65-7be84f9af671

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Celia Farber's avatar

Petra! I live in an Arab neighborhood, (in Granada) with many Palestinians, and there are very very real people here, with very real killed loved ones, others trapped in Gaza, local store owner lost two nieces, one nephew, and his father. It costs 20,000 Euros (pocketed by corrupt officials in Egypt) to get ONE person out, and, a woman told me 3 days ago, it STILL does not mean they won't get killed, after the ransom money is handed over.

Our friend Ammiel has taken the time in the past to DETAIL the countless people IN his life, killed, friends, killed, their families killed. Names. Photos, friends, I mean people he has known in some cases for decades. What do you WANT? It's not truth. Say please, what it is. Is it to be right?

You're a refusnik about real people with real losses and real "evidence." The footage is NOT fake. Go to Google Maps. Gaza is leveled, as per Israel command's "level it" rhetoric. Where did all the people who were fake killed, according to you, go?

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Lynne Whitehead's avatar

Celia, I hear your sentiment about the people living in Gaza. Yet, why do Egyptians take funds to ‘free’ people from Gaza and then not do so, they are Arabs. Should they not have pity on their own and allow them to flee to Egypt? As refugees. You are blaming the IDF for fighting against Hamas (an Iranian puppet regime) yet Hamas is the ones preventing the refugees from Gaza to leave for safety. They are the ones operating from tunnels dug beneath the city putting every person there in danger. Do you support Hamas and what they stand for. I am in no way doubting that there is very many innocents, as well as true Christian people among the Gaza refugees who lives there, by force from the Arab world, for circa 100 years now. Therefore they have never moved from being an acknowledge people like the Jordanians, but remained refugees. How does Israel defend itself and its many citizens from being massacred by these terrorists who constantly over the past century have attacked and molested them. I understand that your friends have experienced terror as well, but please be aware of skewed images and news. Remember your fight for the truth to reveal the whole AIDS propaganda machine. That a machine has many tentacles. Believe me, I’ve witnessed it in action in my country, South Africa where we blanket blamed as racists against black people, when in essence I spent much of my life protecting families who were persecuted by their own for not following the political and in-doctrinal rhetoric of their so called leaders. Just my thoughts and maybe showing a different perspective as well.

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Daisy Moses Chief Crackpot's avatar

yup, NO other naytions want "Palestinians"--includin' Egypt whose border with Gaza looks way more intimidatin' then even the one with Israel. Egypt just refused entry to a band of 300 "resistance fighters" comin' ta save Gaza... wonder why????

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iterating Roger W.'s avatar

Egypt is part of the Greater Israel project from OG Zionists, who were atheists, btw.

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Daisy Moses Chief Crackpot's avatar

nope... most folks don't understand "Greater Israel" which dates back ta the biblical era (outlined in Torah) an' has zip-all ta do with globalism or takin' over other nations--includin' Egypt. Israel willin'ly gave up Gaza in 2005 an' if HamAss didn't use it a as a launchin' pad fer attacks Israel would'a left it alone. They would ruther NOT own it nor police it. Judea & Samaria were originally in the first UN draw-up an' were also originally part of Israel. Yup, they want them back but would accept just bein' left alone. Israel duz NOT want Egypt. If Egypt duzn't attack 'em they are fine lettin' Egypt BE. The narrative bandied 'round is false but few bother 'splainin' that nope, Israel duz not wanna "own the Middle East" let alone the entire world (sigh)...again, folks kin believe what they wish.... (a few ultra orthodox rabbis have indeed made outlier statements about some prophesy of Israel expandin' but that represents 0.02 percent of the Israelis an' old men in prayer shawls don't have the ablity ta do squat...these are NOT those BB listens too an' again, I'm notta fan of BB)...all fwiw

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Phillip Badger's avatar

You are a sick FUCK, as bad as any Hitler era Nazi. Go straight to hell where you belong and don’t come back.

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Petra Liverani's avatar

Celia, I'm not denying that people are being killed and I should have said that - until you told me just now I didn't know you were living in an area with many Palestinians who've lost relatives, however, I live in an area with a high population of South Lebanese and they tell me relatives have been killed by bombs in South Lebanon and, of course, I believe them.

Nevertheless, the evidence shows that the imagery we are shown is fake. People who've really had loved ones killed I don't think tend to publish images of it - but, of course, there may well be genuine images out there - mixed up with the fake ones.

A similar thing happened with the jab. They showed us fake vax-injured when, of course, many thousands if not millions of people have been injured by the jab. Why do they fake real stuff - just because they always want to control the narrative. Perhaps they delude themselves that if they're faking stuff it actually isn't happening for real.

Also, I certainly don't deny a great deal of destruction and expulsion of Gazans - that is, in fact, what I think is going on while they focus us on fake imagery, however, obviously where people you know have lost relatives then you know that's real.

Just let me clear that I have zero desire not to blame Israel for unconscionable behaviour because I think it's unconscionable whether they're killing people or not and I don't have any doubt that they do kill people and certainly have no compunction about it. I just want to establish the truth of image fakery and what I think must be some kind of distraction from what they're really doing. The thing is fake imagery just doesn't have the same effect as real even if you think it's real. So that could be another thing - they're showing us fake imagery because the real thing is so horrific it wouldn't be tolerated.

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kilquor2nd's avatar

The pose of men on ground with phones and blood is staged .

Doesnt mean it's not happening .

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Petra Liverani's avatar

No it doesn't mean it's not happening ... they just like to control the narrative.

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Phillip Badger's avatar

Omg where do you demonic evil FUCKS come from? Fake? Go fuck your self. I worked in high end photography, film and video my whole fucking life and none of these images are fake. You know what is fake? Your humanity. You have zero humanity. You are satanically evil and live watching children and desperate human beings get blown to pieces. You are simply a monster. All of you who revel in these atrocities, for fucks sake, Hitler himself would have rejected you. You inhuman liars are the worst evil I’ve ever witnessed in my life and I’m not young. I’ve ever hoped for anyone to get bumped, ever, but “Israel” deserves to get fucking nuked.

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Petra Liverani's avatar

"You have zero humanity."

Yes, I do have to switch off my humanity for these things and become a monster. I don't like doing it but someone has to, don't they? To deal with monsters sometimes you have to become one. I'm not hardcore like Phil Crane of the Bitchute Fakenukes channel but I'll still look carefully. I looked carefully and I found fakery.

I've put my analysis here. If you don't want to look at it so be it. If you do, please come back and tell me what you see.

https://petraliverani.substack.com/p/0bed55b1-569a-4474-af65-7be84f9af671

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Daisy Moses Chief Crackpot's avatar

yup, I see fakery here too just like you do...I only mentioned there were 2 sides but Pallywood is a huge bizness...(again, not a popular take ta dare suggest it)...

IMHO both sides are guilty of REAL killin'; warts & all, I have one side I stand with an it's the more unpopular one BUT of course they're not beyond major reproach... then again, which side in a war is? How many other nations have been brutal or ruthless in battle? only da jooish one? Nah. (not excusin'....just sayin' wars are always ugly an' most would'a preferred fer Israel ta not fight back an' just let itself be destroyed "as it deserves." So be it. All those enamored with the noble faith of peas & gee-haw'd & treatin' women worse than dirt an' cuttin' off parts of their "gentles"....could never see anythin' at all good 'bout "evil" Israel--I hear it daily--an' again... most here & elsewhere DO side with it's destruction...) Not thar myself but I won't buy the lie that Israel lures innocent folks with food an' bloody shoots 'em... an' I'm the gullible one not ta believe it? Yes fakery (an' if I may say it...lotta "fukery" too!)

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Petra Liverani's avatar

I don't take "sides" per se. My attitude is, "At the top they're all in it together, the very rich and powerful - from all sides - screw over the plebs - from all sides - in various ways." I think Israel is screwing over Palestinians massively, however, that isn't really my lens. My lens is "At the top they're all in it together." Israel is certainly not doing whatever it does on its own and Hamas and Israel are obviously in cahoots. I mean ...

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Daisy Moses Chief Crackpot's avatar

hear ya full out Petra....""At the top they're all in it together." With this we 100% agree! Nayshun wize... if indeed what yer sayin' is key-recht "Israel is screwin' over the "Palestinians," (reason why that last term's in quotes iz too long ta share) my unPOPu-leer take is that just as this is SO.... on my end equally troo is zat "HamAss" is also screwin' over the 'Palestinains' massively" AND that (I'm likely the sole voice here with this piece've it....) "HamAss & their narrative which MANY-not-all 'Palestinians' buy... is also screwin' over Israel massively too..." I know few'll agree with this "re-sip-rock-all" end've it..."

Callin' death ta all joos an' an to an entire state (the existence of which most deny!) sits just fine with most troothers, don't I know it!...); in that I do take a side KNOWIN' full well there are rotten folks on ALL SIDES & good folks on ALL SIDES too (I know, I know, "the only good joo is a dead one" I hear it daily! an' dare ta disagree....)... So whilst agreein' that the uber rich screw over the plebes...... my unPOPu-lar take is this ain't ta mean only the should "Pallies" git sympathy... Statn' so iz the turd in the punchbowl.

MY response here then is ta you directly as we both like each others' insights on many a toe-pick an' see a lotta visual & narrative MAN-nip!-u-layshun in much've this "show" too (an' this even if we may disagree in da specifics on Israel which imho, deserves ta exist IN SPITE OF all the puppets follerin' da BLACK NOBS which are all likely sittin' in their Alpen Shat-Toes lookin' down from way way over the heads of ordinary joos or arabs anyway...)

my 2 cents... bow'in back out as my response ta ya will NOT be appreCIA-tid by most! ;-)... an' I already spoke my "peas"/piece...

ps an' fer me ta clarry-fry too... I never said nobuddy died in the above-mentioned "incident" but ruther that IF some died--sum footage may not be related ta said event... an' IF some died it likely did not heppen as stated... b/c no, IDF doesn't lure Gazans like fish inta a barrel ta shoot 'em "fer shitz & giggles".... I do believe that's the story bein' run 'round the whirled.... (Petra, I liked yer stack-postin' on it so feel free ta reply from that postin' instead as I ain't doin' any good replyin' here... ;-)

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Petra Liverani's avatar

I know too little about it, Daisy, to say any more than I've already said. I'm shamefully ignorant of the history of the Middle East ... all I know is that they're always trying to press our buttons and divide and conquer us ... and that generally whenever they show us images of blood and bandages they are fake, wherever they are.

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Phillip Badger's avatar

You are grotesque. Sick. Evil.

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Daisy Moses Chief Crackpot's avatar

since we both took heat on this, likely more aimed at me ha ha, I thought I'd share a noo site... noo ta me at least... https://gazawood.com/ puhlenty worth diggin' as I've been outta the loop an' missed quite a bit of stuff here-bouts

purdy sure we agree (an' I'm acknowledgin' that ya stated that the M.E. ain't yer wheelhouse) that the puppet masters like it that real an' fake blood mingle, real 'n fake bodies share the "war thee-ate-'er" an' lotsa proper-gander oils the machines...

Some take one "side" some the "odder" some neither... all okay by me, but Petra, I think we both know that SIN-e-ma is fer the whirled an' it's sure spinnin' SPIN now ;-)

https://gazawood.com/ (dig in)

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Petra Liverani's avatar

Thanks, Daisy. I've heard of Gazawood and Pallywood as "things" but I didn't realise there was a website. I've had a little look and I shall add it as a link on my relevant posts.

I have to say that I tend to think that whatever real killing and injuring is going on - from whichever side - we are not shown it so from the perspective of what is shown I don't think Hamas is killing Gazans any more than Israel is.

The rule - as far as I can tell - is it's always fakery shown. If you think there's clear evidence of Hamas killing Gazans can you point me to the images showing it.

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Daisy Moses Chief Crackpot's avatar

Yup ditto... there's also a Pallywood site (sorry cain't find it handy) but this other one's new ta me.... Some'a the old rehashed viddeoys from India etc were great "finds."

But what'cha say here (imho) is key... "that we are not shown it (so) from the perspective of what is shown"... meanin', if this is what you're suggestin', is that just like in "sin-ema" angle is all... from eye level we don't see the puppet master below in the ditch pushin' Kermie & Miz Piggy forward onna stroll... from the right we ain't seen the reflective mirror that's hidin' the guy with the squib.... Angle. Perspective.

SO... I don't think it's all "fakery" by far.... but ta be honest I cain't tell whuts monkey'd with an' what's just grainy or shot from a plane.... what's fake blood or no blood or the real deal.

So here's "evidence" (clear as mud tho!) that Hamas shot at Gazans....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnJK0j6beao

Could it be the real deal? Sure! Fake? Sure too! My take is that PR & fakery & rehashed mee-dia an' so many thangs have taken pride've place in this narrative. If one side sez OH, bee-lieve Hamas always an' never the lyin' "zionist ent-titty" then I'd say that's purdy myopic...

Footage? Foot Itch? Foodage? I mean we're bein' asked ta formulate a narrative from little indices, approximations....flashes of light, color, "gun" fire... cain't do it... Again, even fer those that wanna see Israel blown ta smithereens (pop-u-lar fantasy I know), that don't mean the "death toll" counts are accurate or that much of anythang "we" are given is kerrect. Like ya said, the angle is "all...."

Zo, do I think that Hamas never harmed Gazans an' that they are kind as lil' ol' pussycats to their "own?"-- heck no! Do I deny that some fool IDF soldiers donned laydeez undies? Nope... but we got costumes, lights, sets... lot in the balance! AN....if ya ask me ta pick out indee-vidge-u-all frames or clips an' detect real vs fake... nope I could not. I still think real bodies (puhlenty) but without the benfit of all that high tech magnifukation an' slowing down an' lookin' fer green screens & jump cuts & mis-matches wouldn't touch it w/a ten foot pole!

as fer the starvation angle--check out that gazawood site fer the food porn--all these new gore-met eateries in Gaza (yes Gaza).... are we just seein' what's on soundstage 3 an' bein' kept from seein' the commissary? ;-)

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Petra Liverani's avatar

Daisy, sometimes the fakery might be a little difficult to determine, however, they're pretty good at following their Revelation of the Method rule. That shooting reminded me of the faked Charlie Hebdo shooting. To me it looks like blanks and he's aiming at the ground just like Charlie Hebdo. We live in the age of advanced digital imagery so just the fact that the footage is sped up and very grainy for no good reason undermines it at the outset.

Charlie Hebdo fakery - watch from 4:50. https://www.bitchute.com/video/6YX2FJ24VG0t

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Daisy Moses Chief Crackpot's avatar

I'll take a look-see (I do not believe I've seen any of the Charlie vids yet.... just photo stories) thx!...

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Phillip Badger's avatar

You are a grotesque inhuman monster, and your soul is worse than dead. Take your “blood libel” bullshit and shove it up your ass. You are an inhuman monster

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kilquor2nd's avatar

Not so fast .

You are basically arguing for a continuation of the same by pretending commentary replaces action .

No body in Heaven has a west bank perspective .

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Annie's avatar

Too much fabrication and lying all around. I never want innocent children to be harmed but I do not trust the governments in the Middle East, Hamas, or news organizations to report truth. Only lies and their own narratives.

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iterating Roger W.'s avatar

You sound like a Western Communist intellectual defending Mao in the first years of massacres.

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Celia Farber's avatar

Annie, click on the clips, with trauma warnings, before them, in the post. Please report back.

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Brad K's avatar

I cannot access these, looks like they have been removed ?

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Phillip Badger's avatar

You are a sick piece of shit. We’ve been watching this for 2 years and you insist on continuing to fucking LIE about it. Grotesque. You have no soul you are not human.

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Desiree Flores's avatar

May today there be peace within. May you trust that you are exactly where you are meant to be. May you not forget the infinite possibilities that are born of faith in yourself and others. May you use the gifts that you have received, and pass on the love that has been given to you. May you be content with yourself just the way you are. Let this knowledge settle into your bones, and allow your soul the freedom to sing, dance, praise and love. It is there for each and every one of us.

St. Thérèse of Lisieux

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Dave aka Geezermann's avatar

I will not watch this, if true or not. Why would the IDF do such a thing? Is it another psyop to enrage people? I refuse.

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iterating Roger W.'s avatar

You can't watch now, it's been censored.

The ministry of defense used to be called the ministry of war.

Newspeak.

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The first two videos were removed from X.

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Kathleen Devanney. A human.'s avatar

"There can’t be “two sides” to this—I refuse to accept that."

"I really think they’re programming us into trans-humanism, by way of our learned helplessness. By way of trauma and de-sensitization."

100%.

It won't work though. We're witnessing the horrifying conclusion of a non-human agenda that took over the planet. Took over many governments and many leaders, corporations, etc.

They are imploding, even as they literally blow up the lives, homes and cultures of those around them.

What can we do - you're doing what you can do. Staying human is doing something. Insisting on the reality of love and connection is doing something. Deepening into trust that even while asserting life as precious - it is! - when the body is gone, life continues. You can't kill that animating spark, it goes on. (Freed from the misery, we can take some solace in that.)

I think humanity is in a deep process of purification and only what's real, stays. The end of a very long cycle. (Think yugas in terms of timelines.)

This non-human frequency is more obvious now than ever before, because, I truly believe, it can't sustain and in its desperation and last gasp efforts, outs itself. It's being seen and rejected. Had to happen.

We stay human, we stay kind, we stay connected. We hand over what we can't stop to the Source of creation itself.

Another stacker shared this video, which I found helpful. We need much larger contexts in order to understand what's happening and find meaning in this madness. Heather Ensworth does a good job at providing them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAkV-NHffHE

Thanks, Celia. Appreciate you.

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