One MD, Dr. Sabine Hazan, Has Tested Fecal Bacteria Before And After Many Things, From Methylene Blue To Covid Shots, And Sees What Happens To Bifidobacterium
One MD, Dr. Sabine Hazan, Has Tested Fecal Bacteria Before And After Many Things, From Methylene Blue To Covid Shots, And Sees What Happens To Bifidobacterium
There are no magic pills. MB isn't one either. Not saying there is no use for MB, but taking it for extended periods indicates there is a problem that is not being addressed but simply covered up. My daughters both were born with a bowel defect that required surgery after birth. They were both given anti-biotics and this likely played a role in their severe vaccine injuries labeled 'autism'. This was 20 years ago. Because they had extreme digestive and diarrhea issues after their MMR shots I saw their guts as the culprit and focused on restoring the gut microbiome through fermented and organic foods like home-made kefir, sauerkraut, kombucha. I've taken it quite seriously and by now we grow and raise most of our own foods since I don't trust supermarket foods any longer. We have come a long way and many of their autism issues have dissolved over time.
Yep there are no magic pills and our food is our medicine mostly because it keeps us healthy and bodies functioning as they should. About a year ago I was suddendly overcome with severe ulcerative colitis after eating a box of strawberries (I suspect glyphosate). My husband and I both had severe diarreah. His went away and mine didn't. After being on prednisone for 2 mos, my GI doc wanted to put me on Biologics (very expensive) for the rest of my life and said diet will not help. She trusts medicine. I make my own kombucha and fermented food and now my gut is healed but I know it is still not 100%. I really need to do a 21 day protocol body cleanse with MMS. I use it for healing and cleaning veggies, mouthwash, my animals, etc.
I sent this to an aquaintance that had a terminal infection and he did the 21 day cleanse and is completely off all meds now.
There used to be a lot of info on youtube about this specifically healing autism and I would look on bitchute and other platforms too.
If there is a miracle remedy, this is it. I did a lot of studying about it. Many doctors take it themselves, but are unable to recommend it because they could lose their license.
It kills pathogens and allows your own body to heal itself.
Yes, you got it right , been following Dr Andreas, CDS is awesome, and Lactobacillus Salivarius is the only one who survive past stomack acids ...Just saying
My conclusion, following 35yrs of scientific research (including clinical work with MD's,) is that the biological mechanisms at the organism level is a complete black box. MD's (and most scientists) are working from theoretical models that have no scientific data to support those models.
For instance, what is actually known about bifidobacteria? From a published bifidobacteria 2016 review paper (PMID 27379055,) "bifidobacteria... 'are believed' to exert positive health benefits," "due to 'purported' health-promoting properties," "are either 'directly or indirectly connected to' the animal gastrointestinal tract," "genetic attributes which 'may explain' bifidobacterial ecological fitness," "genetic modification is crucial 'toward fully elucidating the mechanisms' by which bifidobacteria exert their adaptive abilities and beneficial properties."
In scientific speak, this means bifidobacteria 'may' have positive health benefits, 'may' be connected to the GI tract, 'may' have genetic characteristics which effect their "ecological fitness," and their mechanisms 'may' be determined, but right now, we are certain of none of those things.
But this is the money game that science and medicine play. A researcher cannot get funded nor publish if they were to openly admit ignorance. So, instead, all scientific and medical publications are filled with hedging language rather than absolute or certain claims- may, might, could, appears, it is thought, many believe, not fully understood- the leeches that infest scientific publication prose.
We scientists understand this is BS, but we say nothing because it is our livelihood. The problem is that the BS is presented to the public as if absolute or certain claims were being made. And the public largely believes it. After all, these claims are made by those in white coats, our modern day priesthood.
On the gut microbiome, how would a 'baseline' even be determined? How many bacterial species are in the gut- tens, hundreds, thousands? How would we count them? Is a stool sample indicative of the population of the upper GI tract?
Bacteria have a doubling rate of about 30 minutes. So, one bacterium could yield billions in a few hours. When would a count be made? What affects relative populations? Gut ecology? Ingested food type? Pharmaceuticals? Are there regulatory mechanisms? Bacteria are ubiquitous in nature- how many do we simply ingest in a day? And which ones?
We have no understanding of the biological mechanisms of the organism. All this single point data is irrelevant. It's old school research- grow one cell type, add one factor (a drug?,) determine the effect on one factor (a protein?,) and draw a possible conclusion. But the organism has hundreds of cell types, an unknown number of added factors (anything we eat or breath,) and hundreds of thousand of different factors (molecule types) that could be affected.
In the end, it's a fool's game to believe that one can determine and understand the effect of a single input (other than poisons that kill us.) And the entire quest could be considered a frailty of human nature. Does the squirrel, or bluebird, or chimpanzee concern itself with its gut microbiome? Or do they just eat and live free of such concerns?
This is the best summation I have read about the current state of the approach to holistic healing of the gut. Having spent a decade now trying to pursue every avenue (including the ones mentioned in these comments) to help my sons’ health conditions from autism, I am more convinced than ever that no one KNOWS what they’re talking about. From MMS to methylene blue, to DIY fermented foods and organic and restricted diets - the body and the conditions we are facing are so complex, anyone saying they KNOW anything is not being honest, and we are all allowed to pursue what we have found to work best.
I don’t think you can totally reverse autism, and maybe even some chronic disease states. I know I’m being pessimistic, but I’ve earned that right at this point. (And before anyone tells me about diet and detox and MMS, I challenge anyone to propose a strategy I have not pursued.) All we can do is the best we can do. If MB is helpful to people, or if, gasp, low-dose injectable peptides like GLP-1s (don’t send the holistic diet shaming mob to my door, I literally do not care) drastically improve people’s lives, we have got to stop assuming we know what’s best for everyone or that we know all the answers.
My father-in-law worked as a microbiologist in a hospital lab for 40 years, and finally concluded we don’t know a damn thing about anything. And I fully concur.
One part of the problem is that there are people who imagine an animal body to be literally a machine. Not a metaphor. These people know not the nuance of language. One argument for this is that story that they give antibiotics to cows for the purpose of making them gain weight, a few months before being killed for meat. The effect of the antibiotics is supposed to be that they change the microbiome so that the cow gains weight. If this is true, it's easy to imagine that there may be a magical toxin (drug) that can tweak the composition of the bacterial colonies to cause weight reduction in humans, which is a potentially huge business opportunity.
Or anything else. Anything is possible with imagination, as Jon Rappoport often says. But we can also imagine getting sick or healing and experience the effects of that. Why bother with antibiotics or drugs if we can learn to manage our bodies with our imagination?
So basically the marketing fraud of modern science is rooted in telling people that their imagination is worth nothing, but the imagination of the doctor/researcher/marketer is worth everything.
There are many other studies more current that identify the bacteria, by name and number, along with the benefit it gives. It's just publishers are part of the syndicate.
For example obesity. No black box. And animals do not take antibiotics to kill all their biome. Or ear wheat and many other produce sprayed with pesticide and bacteria-killer glyphosate. And processed foods and high fructose corn syrup. Isolated tribes and indigenous people were exceptionally healthy before advent of Western diet. For massive documentation see Weston Price Nutrition and Physical Degeneration.
Thanks for the comment. I agree completely on toxins and antibiotics and the diet issue- I am trying to revert entirely to a traditional diet, including my own vegetables, chickens, and chicken egss, and grass fed undrugged beef.
Mechanisms aside, I would say even the cause of obesity is more of a black box today than it was 100 yrs ago, prior to Big Pharma and Big Ag, and other major sources of toxicity. What is the effect of 50+ vaccines and other medical, food, and industrial toxins on the metabolism of today's kids? Nearly totally unknown, because those in the medical or scientific community who dare touch such topics, such as the pediatrician in Washington state, are defunded or defrocked for their heresies.
On the gut microbiome, how would one go about sampling the bacterial population and diversity within the human gut? How many such samples would have to be taken to obtain a representative result? And, as you correctly noted, we likely intake numerous toxins which could affect those numbers- so, how can the effect of those various possible toxins be accounted for regarding the gut microbiome were we even able to sample gut bacteria? And if the human gut is 25-30 ft. long, can we assume a sample collected at the anus is representative of the rest of the gut?
Different bacteria can be categorized by cell wall structure (Gram+ or Gram-,) or categorized by shape (bacilli, cocci, spyrochetes,) and others by the media upon which are grown. But, given the total number of species, how would otherwise indistinguishable species be determined other than by genetic sequencing? The logistics of such an undertaking would be enormous.
But, even if it were possible to identify and quantitate the gut microbiome, that gets us no closer to understanding the biological mechanisms that each plays a part of. I spent decades studying such mechanisms, and the more we learned, the more we realized that the organism was so complex that it was impossible to determine the actual mechanisms involved. The entire gene regulatory paradigm was dumped about 20yrs ago (something many scientists are still unaware of,) so, currently, not only do we not know the mechanisms, we don't even know how or what regulates those mechanisms.
I spent my last 10 yrs studying a single mechanism, a mechanism my boss had spent 20yrs studying prior to that. Ten yrs ago, some 6-8 proteins were implicated, and the cell membrane was thought to be a controlling factor. Ten yrs later, the number of implicated proteins was over 50, and the controlling factor believed to be the primary cilia (until recently, considered a leftover of evolution,) but now believed to be the most important communications center of the cell.
That said, we ran a large scale experiment to test that mechanism model. We treated cells (including 6 replicates and 6 replicate no treatment controls) with a drug "known" to affect that mechanism. We then extracted total RNA from the cells at different timepoints, sequenced the RNA, and analyzed the results. The protein expression results failed to confirm effects for any of the implicated proteins proposed for the mechanism model. A great experiment, but difficult to publish as it did not comfirm current dogma. And no Big Pharma potential.
Anyway, thank you for your comments, and I wish continued good health for you and your family.
Very interesting comment. You mentioned evolution in it, can I ask if you still (or ever) believed this theory? I am not looking for an argument, I am just genuinely interested
Some 10 years into my research career, I realized that the biological complexity of cellular processes were a mathematical impossibility through the random mutation hypothesis proposed by Darwin. And, even those who favored the hypothesis understood that impossibility- by 1980 (my 1st yr at uni,) the punctuated equilibrium hypothesis was being taught as an alternative to random mutation.
But, as I re-examined what I had been taught in school, it became clear that there was no scientific support for any aspect of evolution. For instance, the light moth to dark moth, and Galapagos Islands finch beak changes did not result from new gene sequence changes, but were simply caused by different expression of genes that already existed, a common occurence in nature.
I spent probably 10 years investigating various science disciplines that play a role in the evolution hypothesis, and my conclusion was that the scientific evidence either does not confirm the hypothesis or directly contradicts the hypothesis.
As uncomfortable as it might be to some people, the only logical alternative is a designer. Who that designer might be is a choice that is up to the individual. And, that particular belief falls outside the realm of science as it can neither be proved nor disproved.
Guess we will all have to become MDs and PhDs to get our bodies back to ‘normal’ after what Big Pharma and agricultural oligarchs have done to us ! I take MB and love the ‘no brain fog’ effect and increased energy. But don’t want to harm something else. Kinda damn if you do and damn if you don’t, isn’t it? Thanks, Celia, for all the research you do for us!
I used to ride back and forth a lot with people going to the Mayo Clinic from MSP airport. I saw them in Rochester and got to know them. My take away was that the Mayo Clinic tortured you until you figured out for youraelf what was wrong. I also trusted the food co-op more for healing of day to day things like colds.
Many people are taking MB usually as an electron donor, so they report more energy. However, its damage to the intestinal flora as shown here contrasts strongly with Cl02 which provides optimal oxidation at the correct voltage for cells. This supports electron transport, hence overall life force energy. Unlike MB, Cl02 does not harm commensal bacteria whilst it does decimate pathogenic bacteria, fungi etc. Moreover, the role of commensal bacteria in cleaning our blood has been strongly suggested since we have recent studies providing evidence of sporadic translocation of the microbiome into blood vessels. It further suggests these translocations may be crucial assists for our body's innate defense mechanisms against synbio assembling in the plasma.
OK, and how can one obtain dietary chlorine dioxide? Also, let me ask about your statement that "taking MB usually as an electron donor". In less technical terms (i.e., for people like me), why would one be seeking an electron donor and what is the benefit? Similarly, is Brown's gas or hydrogen gas therapy for the same thing (i.e., an electron donor)? Lastly, is that the primary use of MB (i.e., as an electron donor)? Are there other practical (over-the-counter, self-administered) uses of MB besides being an electron donor?
Hello. I do not personally use or apply MB although many people do take it and report benefits in energy. I work with Chlorine Dioxide Solution (CDS) which could be considered as a Blood and Qi tonic from an Asian martial arts perspective. This is because it provides energy through increased yang (combustion via oxidation) and supports regeneration by boosting yin (nourishment of cells by healthier transport of red blood cells and oxygen and enhancement of stem cell activation). The first step to prepare dietary CDS is to learn how to make it correctly. It is made out of NaCl2 and HCl. The resulting gas is then infused into water at the correct concentration of 3,000 ppm. The origin of the production method and therapeutics of CDS is Dr. Andrea Kalcker. There is now a new platform called dioxitube.com. It is important only to listen to properly trained people to know how to proceed with this method. Of course, authentic Qigong practices can also be considered electron donors: whenever you increase the flow of vital force within the body it correlates at a base level with flow of free electrons, which requires ample oxygen. Many healthy foods and charged water can also increase the healthy flow of bio-electricity in the body's circuits.
What is your opinion on using just Sodium Chlorite in water (non activated) and allowing it to activate in the stomach? There are many opinions on the efficacy of CDS compared to the original activated drop (MMS1) protocol.
No that only will work with animals like cats not with humans. There are lots of "opinions" floating around about CDS but they are uninformed opinions nothing more.
My question, as always, is how do we know what is really in any of these "supplements?" As for "Vitamin C," I believe most of it is made from some weird corn-based product, and all of it in China.
I have no problem with people who still insist in viruses in general or in sars-cov-2. Everyone has internal obstacles and learns at a different pace. I'm a slow learner of many things.
I also hate bullies and people who invent impossible stories to infuse fear on others and manipulate them. An excuse they use for that behavior is that they want to lead people away from harm's way. I think that's pure vanity, and even a lie in the case of the most obvious trolls.
One reason Sabine Hazan has been criticized, although not very harshly as far as I know, is because she took part in the Ron Johnson congress meetings. One reason some members of the public got angry is because they mistook those meetings as something official, and they felt disappointment.
Most people in those public hearings or whatever they were called have been very harshly criticized and scrutinized. Many backgrounds were checked.
There is always the suspicion of business or financial conflicts of interests. That suspicion feeds the spirit of accusation. But sometimes the accusers turn out to be correct.
One thing I like about the microbiome research is the possibility for optimism. Why is it that some people react very badly to vaccines and drugs, and others seem to have no problem? Well, perhaps the answer is that a good quality gut microbiome may save a man's life from all the stupid drugs and vaccines he inserts into his body.
Which also is of interest to the quasi-science of epidemonology. Sorry, I meant to say, epidemiology. What was I thinking about.
Epidemiology is statistics with delusions of grandeur. Confounders are hidden variables which modellers are not aware of, or choose to ignore, which cause the data to present a false appearance that two different things are just one, or that one process is more complicated than it actually is. Measuring the population-wide effects of drugs and vaccines without taking into account the status of the gut microbiome before and after could help to explain why everything in medical science is so shitty these last forty years.
On the other hand, it may be the case that naturopaths are correct in their general advice: your body will naturally have an optimal gut microbiome if you stop using all drugs and focus on real food. And this point of view goes against the interests of those who are interested in making business out of testing and treating the gut microbiome.
Lastly, the easier way to win the sacred war against germ theory is to introduce in the general public the idea that germs are actually health-promoting. And there are many angles to promote this idea. To have just one party line is wrong. Different groups have to their share of fight, in their own way. And it's best if the groups do not attack each other.
"The sacred war against germ theory"? As a book, movie or album title, I love it, and I may borrow it from you. But the Germies already think that the Terrainies are a sort of cult, and if they get the idea that you are on a Crusade or a Jihad, the ridicule level will go through the roof.
I have no problem with people believing there are no viruses, and I hate bullies too. But I personally think the virus vs. no-virus dichotomy is divisive, self-defeating for the medical freedom movement, and probably a psyop started by Chatham House, the Tavistock Center, and Cass Sunstein. I would much we all concentrate on fighting and winning the war against global totalitarianism and medical fascism, and I don't think it can be done if all of us on the freedom side are fighting among ourselves about what causes respiratory diseases. We are up against a powerful, united, determined vicious, genocidal oligarchy.
Summoning up my best Churchillian tones, I would like finish by saying that if we fail, then the whole world, including the United States, including all that we have known and cared for, will sink into the abyss of a new Dark Age made more sinister, and perhaps more protracted, by the lights of perverted science.
Personally, I enjoy being a pessimist among optimists and an optimist among pessimists. Call me a fool, if you wish.
The no virus people are correct when they say that nothing good can come out from a lie. Which means that there won't be changes in medical communism (1) unless germ theory is exposed for the falsity that it always was, and an incredibly fruitful lie for practical politics, which is what poisons the mind and action of most people.
Divisiveness is good in this case because I believe in the international division of labor. Not everyone has to do the same thing.
I agree with the no virus people that it would be better if people would grow a spine and live by the truth that there are no infectious or contagious respiratory diseases. We get sick from damage to our respiratory organs from many objects that are in the air, particularly in polluted industrial places. But the idea of respiratory viruses was devised and implanted in everyone's thought precisely to protect the ugly reality of what really causes respiratory diseases. This is the real magic trick of the organizations and the sophists like the ones you mention.
But most people prefer to play diplomacy and politics. It seems to me that there are many conceited journalists with a hero complex and intellectuals who still can't abandon the Marxist/Freudian bullshit, who think they can be more Machiavellic than Machiavelli, and out-Satan Satan. They want to win playing in the enemy's field with the enemy's rules: the falsified Germ theory of disease has to be assumed to be true to be allowed to play and win the political game against globalist totalitarianism.
I think this other group of people have too much optimism and do not realize how badly they are going to get played. Politics is a game where everyone loses something of value.
Perhaps there are also personal interests at play in some cases. It's easier to sell vitamin c to combat infections to people who believe they are always at risk of infections if the salesman believes that vitamin c will prevent or at lest hinder viral replication and cell lysing, or that it boosts or modulates the immune system. And most of my fellow hypochondriacs will never admit they are hypochondriacs and will always find another bad argument to keep alive the delusion that their symptoms are caused by some kind of germ.
Hypochondriacs don't really want a solution, they want to mentally escape this murderous civilization, because they cannot improve their material conditions. So this small part of the problem won't end by telling the truth, in most cases, because it takes much effort to change one's own material conditions, and the salesmen will always find another line of business. this is a mere technical problem, and very superficial.
But the bigger fight, which is the question of what should the law be, cannot be won through the dark arts of politics, in my opinion.
We have to separate the Law and the State.
This can only be done with truth.
Optimistically, I think the genocidal oligarchy will devour itself. That's the true meaning of the Ouroboros. And the people who are part of the body of the anaconda will be destroyed as it eats itself. The political realists have already started the reconstruction of human society, using principles of natural rights.
Pessimistically, I think the anaconda is too big and it will affect even those who arrange their lives to not be part of it. It's useful for them to have other people infiltrated in the anaconda's body, trying to contain it, to reform it, or whatever metaphor goes well here. But they won't escape the destruction unscathed.
Optimistically, perhaps the Machiavellians can get a Pyrrhic victory by reducing the size of the anaconda. It's an Herculean task. I don't want to annoy them too much.
Pessimistically, it could be that the problem is that the snake is big and getting bigger precisely because there is no unity, and there won't be unity, because the people against tyranny will not accept ever the reality. They are too proud for science. If this is true, we are all totally screwed, and Sunstein will have to return some money to his clients because he didn't have to do much here and it's unethical to keep getting paid just for eating popcorn as he sees thousands of overeducated writers and researchers allow their pride to fan the flames of the delusion that consumes them. Or maybe he really has to do it because the clients are super duper greedy and will destroy him if they ever realize they had been fleeced by a mere sophist who plays all sides.
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1. or medical fascism if you prefer that term; I happen to be the only person who writes fasciocommunism, but it's too precise and too long and people don't like length or precision in words. And also because many people want to protect their initial revolutionary programming, which sits at the core of their sense of self. It's miraculous to ever question the programming of the "self." So the socialists will always defend fascism or communism depending on the origin of their contempt for humanity.
No, I would never call you a fool, Roger. I respect you too far much for one thing. And it would be an open invitation for you to call me a moron for another.
As you say, we all have to move at our own pace. And "viruses don't exist" is a long way from "viruses have not been proven to exist" or "viruses have never been isolated", which are in turn on the over side of the ocean from the conventional "scientific consensus" (God, I hate that term!!!) that we all grew up assuming was self-evident.
At present, I can't see my way to embracing the "no virus" way of looking at the world, Agent Roger. I'll have to be loyal to the old ways and die out with them. I've been a hardcore anti-vaxxer for ten years now, although before that I was not averse to being jabbed when the doctor considered necessary. So my positions can evolve. But I also have my own ideas of truth and my own BS detector. I called BS on the Wako Branch Davidian Complex raid and Oklahoma City bombing stories soon after the respective official stories were rolled out. I was sure from the start that the Kuwaiti babies thrown out of their incubators and Saddam's use of an industrial shedder to kill his opponents were war propaganda lies from the get go. I never believed the 9/11 official conspiracy theory or the 7//7 one, never believed Sandy Hook, haven't believed in HIV as the cause of AIDS since the 1990s. Most people find my lack of faith disturbing.
But on viruses, I remain satisfied that they do exist, not because I can prove it, or because I've seen them with my own eyes, but because their existence makes sense to me as a working hypothesis that can explain respiratory infections such as colds and influenza, norovirus, etc., which I have experienced, and because all of the alternative explanations of what causes these illnesses that I've heard don't make sense to me. In short, they fail the credibility test. But that's just me.
At the end of the day, the truth should make seamless sense and untruths should leave uncomfortable holes or incongruities. If someone can explain to me how we get "viral" illnesses without viruses or contagion, and if the explanation makes sense to me, of course I will be happy to take it on board as an alternative working hypothesis.
Mike Yeadon has patiently tried to explain this, how we don't actually get infected and we don't infect other people, and that even though we think we do, the fact is we don't, and I do respect Mike and rate him as honest and intelligent, but I'm afraid this idea runs so counter to my personal experience that I can't accept it.
Mike is always hesitant to talk in absolute terms, but some of the other "no virus" promoters talk overconfidently and too smoothly, make big claims, and sound so sure of their position that my nose, ears and antenna go up, because I sense they are using sales talk to get people to buy into there ideas and to gloss over any problems with the story. This isn't how science was done back in the day.
I don't want to be sold a new theory; I want to be convinced of it by it's ability to explain my own experience better than the previous accepted theory, like Copernicus's solar system model refined by Galileo fitted the observations better than Ptolemy's system, and Kepler's model replacing circles with ellipses fitted better still. I don't want to be sold new scientific paradigms the way Procter and Gamble try to sell me soap powder.
But once I'm convinced "no virus" is the truth, I'll certainly hop aboard. I can handle the truth, no problem. Even as I struggle everyday to handle the truth that Western civilization as we knew it is being systematically destroyed and its denizens are being systematically poisoned and dumbed down—and the same goes. One day, someone is going to explain it all to me in Janet and John language and there will be a blinding flash of light, after which I shall attain a grasp of the thing that removes all doubts.
I've got to be pessimistic about our common future, haven't I. No need to spell it out in detail, but you were there; you saw how the majority put on their masks, social distanced, and lined up for their injections. And you can see how the majority doesn't really want examine what was done or how they acted. You know what they are like. They are the proles and outer party members in 1984, the sheep and chickens in animal farm, the Eloy in The Time Machine. And a lot of them in 2024 are still plugged into their TV or their social tedium.
We must hope that the genocidal oligarchy falls out among themselves before they get around to finishing us off. Because it doesn't look like we are going to lift a collective finger to help each other.
One last thing, when you get to a certain age, you don't have to be a hypochondriac to be concerned about what's ailing you. The aches and pains and twinges, the minor infections, the lack of energy and focus, the inability to unscrew the top off the pickle jar or climb the stairs, or get a good night's sleep—all these things will haunt you as reminders of your own mortality. You young whippersnappers don't know the half of it. Nor do I, really. Fortunately I'm still living in the kingdom of health, and I've done it largely by avoiding doctors. They've saved my life on more than one occasion, but they's also tried to poison me a few times.
You have accurately described my positions not just on viruses or vaccines, but on skepticism of all the heavily-pushed narratives. (Edward Bernays I hope you are burning in Hell, if such a place exists!)
I cannot embrace Terrain theory, yet it greatly widened my thinking on how we stay healthy, and the need for maintaining a robust well-balanced biological system. That is the most important thing, whether or not viruses exist.
An illuminating discussion, and valuable in my view. In my opinion as a biomedical/aerospace engineer with human health careers and science oriented, Doctor Hazan is a VERY well-balanced physician with a scientific non-robotic mind, empirical results aficionado, with a non-trusting mind for Pharma marketing and government dictates. She is research and documentation oriented, seeks truth for the activities and interactions of ingested substances including healthy ones and poisons, plus more. She survived medical schools and still cares about the real goal to help people be healthy, and she has a strong empathic nature. So I have a really good “gut feeling” about her. I highly recommend this interview to all.
Big thing! After killing bad bacteria you must get the good bacteria in your gut, cand happy and multiplying. There are thousands of different bacteria, numbered. There are places to buy the correct number for the correlated disorder. Proved for obesity and many other disorders. NOT just any old probiotics
I like what Sabine has to say and the work that she is doing. I like that she understands the importance of a love connection between client and healer. They both agree that so many products are being being hyped to so many desperate people looking for a sinecure, mostly for profit.
We really know very little about these miraculous bodies we inhabit and our interbeing with the miraculous earth we live on. The work that Sabine and others like her are doing may be a drop in the bucket of understanding the mystery of life and influencing our health in a good way, but every drop is precious.
Yes indeed. I don't believe in "Terrain theory", yet it widens the scope of discussion quite a bit. Some of what they say makes me think carefully about "what makes a healthy, disease-rebuffing body, whether or not germs exist?"
Celia with the pretty name, I have had one daughter and two grand daughters diagnosed with Lyme by a medical facility based in GERMANY. It can be killed but the treatments and medicine is very expensive.
Thank you but my daughter also found a few doctors who were aware and expert at treating this disease. This is what happens when one has dogs and they bring ticks into the house and they drop off and later infect the people therein.
What’s most important for me is hearing people’s personal feedback on MB. I’ve also listened to a dozen videos and curiously they all say the exact same thing(feels scripted). I took it daily for at least a month and then again for a short period. It did help me think clearer (I think) but my main side effect is that I develop Chilblanes (painful toes). Weird but true.
There are no magic pills. MB isn't one either. Not saying there is no use for MB, but taking it for extended periods indicates there is a problem that is not being addressed but simply covered up. My daughters both were born with a bowel defect that required surgery after birth. They were both given anti-biotics and this likely played a role in their severe vaccine injuries labeled 'autism'. This was 20 years ago. Because they had extreme digestive and diarrhea issues after their MMR shots I saw their guts as the culprit and focused on restoring the gut microbiome through fermented and organic foods like home-made kefir, sauerkraut, kombucha. I've taken it quite seriously and by now we grow and raise most of our own foods since I don't trust supermarket foods any longer. We have come a long way and many of their autism issues have dissolved over time.
Yep there are no magic pills and our food is our medicine mostly because it keeps us healthy and bodies functioning as they should. About a year ago I was suddendly overcome with severe ulcerative colitis after eating a box of strawberries (I suspect glyphosate). My husband and I both had severe diarreah. His went away and mine didn't. After being on prednisone for 2 mos, my GI doc wanted to put me on Biologics (very expensive) for the rest of my life and said diet will not help. She trusts medicine. I make my own kombucha and fermented food and now my gut is healed but I know it is still not 100%. I really need to do a 21 day protocol body cleanse with MMS. I use it for healing and cleaning veggies, mouthwash, my animals, etc.
I sent this to an aquaintance that had a terminal infection and he did the 21 day cleanse and is completely off all meds now.
There used to be a lot of info on youtube about this specifically healing autism and I would look on bitchute and other platforms too.
If there is a miracle remedy, this is it. I did a lot of studying about it. Many doctors take it themselves, but are unable to recommend it because they could lose their license.
It kills pathogens and allows your own body to heal itself.
Here is the info to get started if interested.
MMS documentary...
Theuniversalantidote.com
About the man who discovered it and the history behind it.
https://jimhumble.co/
Free pdf book...
https://www.jahealthadvocate.com/uploads/2/4/5/9/2459046/mms_health_recovery_guidebook_1_october_2016.pdf
Yes, you got it right , been following Dr Andreas, CDS is awesome, and Lactobacillus Salivarius is the only one who survive past stomack acids ...Just saying
I am using CD as we speak. I have used it on and off (depending on what I was treating) but never a full 21 days. Already seeing improvement.
Download the free pdf book in my comment. It tells you how to heal certain ilnesses with protocol directions.
Thank you! I have the book, but I appreciate your sharing this with others!!! BLESS YOU!!!
Substack won't let me copy, so I saved a link to this comment. I have never tried it yet.
Open the link then you can copy or forward the link.
When I open it, it just downloads the pdf, but doesn't show a way to copy the link.
My conclusion, following 35yrs of scientific research (including clinical work with MD's,) is that the biological mechanisms at the organism level is a complete black box. MD's (and most scientists) are working from theoretical models that have no scientific data to support those models.
For instance, what is actually known about bifidobacteria? From a published bifidobacteria 2016 review paper (PMID 27379055,) "bifidobacteria... 'are believed' to exert positive health benefits," "due to 'purported' health-promoting properties," "are either 'directly or indirectly connected to' the animal gastrointestinal tract," "genetic attributes which 'may explain' bifidobacterial ecological fitness," "genetic modification is crucial 'toward fully elucidating the mechanisms' by which bifidobacteria exert their adaptive abilities and beneficial properties."
In scientific speak, this means bifidobacteria 'may' have positive health benefits, 'may' be connected to the GI tract, 'may' have genetic characteristics which effect their "ecological fitness," and their mechanisms 'may' be determined, but right now, we are certain of none of those things.
But this is the money game that science and medicine play. A researcher cannot get funded nor publish if they were to openly admit ignorance. So, instead, all scientific and medical publications are filled with hedging language rather than absolute or certain claims- may, might, could, appears, it is thought, many believe, not fully understood- the leeches that infest scientific publication prose.
We scientists understand this is BS, but we say nothing because it is our livelihood. The problem is that the BS is presented to the public as if absolute or certain claims were being made. And the public largely believes it. After all, these claims are made by those in white coats, our modern day priesthood.
On the gut microbiome, how would a 'baseline' even be determined? How many bacterial species are in the gut- tens, hundreds, thousands? How would we count them? Is a stool sample indicative of the population of the upper GI tract?
Bacteria have a doubling rate of about 30 minutes. So, one bacterium could yield billions in a few hours. When would a count be made? What affects relative populations? Gut ecology? Ingested food type? Pharmaceuticals? Are there regulatory mechanisms? Bacteria are ubiquitous in nature- how many do we simply ingest in a day? And which ones?
We have no understanding of the biological mechanisms of the organism. All this single point data is irrelevant. It's old school research- grow one cell type, add one factor (a drug?,) determine the effect on one factor (a protein?,) and draw a possible conclusion. But the organism has hundreds of cell types, an unknown number of added factors (anything we eat or breath,) and hundreds of thousand of different factors (molecule types) that could be affected.
In the end, it's a fool's game to believe that one can determine and understand the effect of a single input (other than poisons that kill us.) And the entire quest could be considered a frailty of human nature. Does the squirrel, or bluebird, or chimpanzee concern itself with its gut microbiome? Or do they just eat and live free of such concerns?
This is the best summation I have read about the current state of the approach to holistic healing of the gut. Having spent a decade now trying to pursue every avenue (including the ones mentioned in these comments) to help my sons’ health conditions from autism, I am more convinced than ever that no one KNOWS what they’re talking about. From MMS to methylene blue, to DIY fermented foods and organic and restricted diets - the body and the conditions we are facing are so complex, anyone saying they KNOW anything is not being honest, and we are all allowed to pursue what we have found to work best.
I don’t think you can totally reverse autism, and maybe even some chronic disease states. I know I’m being pessimistic, but I’ve earned that right at this point. (And before anyone tells me about diet and detox and MMS, I challenge anyone to propose a strategy I have not pursued.) All we can do is the best we can do. If MB is helpful to people, or if, gasp, low-dose injectable peptides like GLP-1s (don’t send the holistic diet shaming mob to my door, I literally do not care) drastically improve people’s lives, we have got to stop assuming we know what’s best for everyone or that we know all the answers.
My father-in-law worked as a microbiologist in a hospital lab for 40 years, and finally concluded we don’t know a damn thing about anything. And I fully concur.
Great comment.
One part of the problem is that there are people who imagine an animal body to be literally a machine. Not a metaphor. These people know not the nuance of language. One argument for this is that story that they give antibiotics to cows for the purpose of making them gain weight, a few months before being killed for meat. The effect of the antibiotics is supposed to be that they change the microbiome so that the cow gains weight. If this is true, it's easy to imagine that there may be a magical toxin (drug) that can tweak the composition of the bacterial colonies to cause weight reduction in humans, which is a potentially huge business opportunity.
Or anything else. Anything is possible with imagination, as Jon Rappoport often says. But we can also imagine getting sick or healing and experience the effects of that. Why bother with antibiotics or drugs if we can learn to manage our bodies with our imagination?
So basically the marketing fraud of modern science is rooted in telling people that their imagination is worth nothing, but the imagination of the doctor/researcher/marketer is worth everything.
Thank you!
There are many other studies more current that identify the bacteria, by name and number, along with the benefit it gives. It's just publishers are part of the syndicate.
For example obesity. No black box. And animals do not take antibiotics to kill all their biome. Or ear wheat and many other produce sprayed with pesticide and bacteria-killer glyphosate. And processed foods and high fructose corn syrup. Isolated tribes and indigenous people were exceptionally healthy before advent of Western diet. For massive documentation see Weston Price Nutrition and Physical Degeneration.
Thanks for the comment. I agree completely on toxins and antibiotics and the diet issue- I am trying to revert entirely to a traditional diet, including my own vegetables, chickens, and chicken egss, and grass fed undrugged beef.
Mechanisms aside, I would say even the cause of obesity is more of a black box today than it was 100 yrs ago, prior to Big Pharma and Big Ag, and other major sources of toxicity. What is the effect of 50+ vaccines and other medical, food, and industrial toxins on the metabolism of today's kids? Nearly totally unknown, because those in the medical or scientific community who dare touch such topics, such as the pediatrician in Washington state, are defunded or defrocked for their heresies.
On the gut microbiome, how would one go about sampling the bacterial population and diversity within the human gut? How many such samples would have to be taken to obtain a representative result? And, as you correctly noted, we likely intake numerous toxins which could affect those numbers- so, how can the effect of those various possible toxins be accounted for regarding the gut microbiome were we even able to sample gut bacteria? And if the human gut is 25-30 ft. long, can we assume a sample collected at the anus is representative of the rest of the gut?
Different bacteria can be categorized by cell wall structure (Gram+ or Gram-,) or categorized by shape (bacilli, cocci, spyrochetes,) and others by the media upon which are grown. But, given the total number of species, how would otherwise indistinguishable species be determined other than by genetic sequencing? The logistics of such an undertaking would be enormous.
But, even if it were possible to identify and quantitate the gut microbiome, that gets us no closer to understanding the biological mechanisms that each plays a part of. I spent decades studying such mechanisms, and the more we learned, the more we realized that the organism was so complex that it was impossible to determine the actual mechanisms involved. The entire gene regulatory paradigm was dumped about 20yrs ago (something many scientists are still unaware of,) so, currently, not only do we not know the mechanisms, we don't even know how or what regulates those mechanisms.
I spent my last 10 yrs studying a single mechanism, a mechanism my boss had spent 20yrs studying prior to that. Ten yrs ago, some 6-8 proteins were implicated, and the cell membrane was thought to be a controlling factor. Ten yrs later, the number of implicated proteins was over 50, and the controlling factor believed to be the primary cilia (until recently, considered a leftover of evolution,) but now believed to be the most important communications center of the cell.
That said, we ran a large scale experiment to test that mechanism model. We treated cells (including 6 replicates and 6 replicate no treatment controls) with a drug "known" to affect that mechanism. We then extracted total RNA from the cells at different timepoints, sequenced the RNA, and analyzed the results. The protein expression results failed to confirm effects for any of the implicated proteins proposed for the mechanism model. A great experiment, but difficult to publish as it did not comfirm current dogma. And no Big Pharma potential.
Anyway, thank you for your comments, and I wish continued good health for you and your family.
Very interesting comment. You mentioned evolution in it, can I ask if you still (or ever) believed this theory? I am not looking for an argument, I am just genuinely interested
Thank you for asking.
Some 10 years into my research career, I realized that the biological complexity of cellular processes were a mathematical impossibility through the random mutation hypothesis proposed by Darwin. And, even those who favored the hypothesis understood that impossibility- by 1980 (my 1st yr at uni,) the punctuated equilibrium hypothesis was being taught as an alternative to random mutation.
But, as I re-examined what I had been taught in school, it became clear that there was no scientific support for any aspect of evolution. For instance, the light moth to dark moth, and Galapagos Islands finch beak changes did not result from new gene sequence changes, but were simply caused by different expression of genes that already existed, a common occurence in nature.
I spent probably 10 years investigating various science disciplines that play a role in the evolution hypothesis, and my conclusion was that the scientific evidence either does not confirm the hypothesis or directly contradicts the hypothesis.
As uncomfortable as it might be to some people, the only logical alternative is a designer. Who that designer might be is a choice that is up to the individual. And, that particular belief falls outside the realm of science as it can neither be proved nor disproved.
A staff writer lady named Iris
Rebuffed any reference to virus
Til their laptops went down
She declared with a frown
With this virus no one will hire us.
Guess we will all have to become MDs and PhDs to get our bodies back to ‘normal’ after what Big Pharma and agricultural oligarchs have done to us ! I take MB and love the ‘no brain fog’ effect and increased energy. But don’t want to harm something else. Kinda damn if you do and damn if you don’t, isn’t it? Thanks, Celia, for all the research you do for us!
I used to ride back and forth a lot with people going to the Mayo Clinic from MSP airport. I saw them in Rochester and got to know them. My take away was that the Mayo Clinic tortured you until you figured out for youraelf what was wrong. I also trusted the food co-op more for healing of day to day things like colds.
Try NAC in divided doses of about 3200 mg per day. Great for ZOOM!
Many people are taking MB usually as an electron donor, so they report more energy. However, its damage to the intestinal flora as shown here contrasts strongly with Cl02 which provides optimal oxidation at the correct voltage for cells. This supports electron transport, hence overall life force energy. Unlike MB, Cl02 does not harm commensal bacteria whilst it does decimate pathogenic bacteria, fungi etc. Moreover, the role of commensal bacteria in cleaning our blood has been strongly suggested since we have recent studies providing evidence of sporadic translocation of the microbiome into blood vessels. It further suggests these translocations may be crucial assists for our body's innate defense mechanisms against synbio assembling in the plasma.
OK, and how can one obtain dietary chlorine dioxide? Also, let me ask about your statement that "taking MB usually as an electron donor". In less technical terms (i.e., for people like me), why would one be seeking an electron donor and what is the benefit? Similarly, is Brown's gas or hydrogen gas therapy for the same thing (i.e., an electron donor)? Lastly, is that the primary use of MB (i.e., as an electron donor)? Are there other practical (over-the-counter, self-administered) uses of MB besides being an electron donor?
Hello. I do not personally use or apply MB although many people do take it and report benefits in energy. I work with Chlorine Dioxide Solution (CDS) which could be considered as a Blood and Qi tonic from an Asian martial arts perspective. This is because it provides energy through increased yang (combustion via oxidation) and supports regeneration by boosting yin (nourishment of cells by healthier transport of red blood cells and oxygen and enhancement of stem cell activation). The first step to prepare dietary CDS is to learn how to make it correctly. It is made out of NaCl2 and HCl. The resulting gas is then infused into water at the correct concentration of 3,000 ppm. The origin of the production method and therapeutics of CDS is Dr. Andrea Kalcker. There is now a new platform called dioxitube.com. It is important only to listen to properly trained people to know how to proceed with this method. Of course, authentic Qigong practices can also be considered electron donors: whenever you increase the flow of vital force within the body it correlates at a base level with flow of free electrons, which requires ample oxygen. Many healthy foods and charged water can also increase the healthy flow of bio-electricity in the body's circuits.
Great information, thanks!
What is your opinion on using just Sodium Chlorite in water (non activated) and allowing it to activate in the stomach? There are many opinions on the efficacy of CDS compared to the original activated drop (MMS1) protocol.
No that only will work with animals like cats not with humans. There are lots of "opinions" floating around about CDS but they are uninformed opinions nothing more.
My question, as always, is how do we know what is really in any of these "supplements?" As for "Vitamin C," I believe most of it is made from some weird corn-based product, and all of it in China.
There's one made in Scotland called Q-C... it's in Dr's Best and others.
I have no problem with people who still insist in viruses in general or in sars-cov-2. Everyone has internal obstacles and learns at a different pace. I'm a slow learner of many things.
I also hate bullies and people who invent impossible stories to infuse fear on others and manipulate them. An excuse they use for that behavior is that they want to lead people away from harm's way. I think that's pure vanity, and even a lie in the case of the most obvious trolls.
One reason Sabine Hazan has been criticized, although not very harshly as far as I know, is because she took part in the Ron Johnson congress meetings. One reason some members of the public got angry is because they mistook those meetings as something official, and they felt disappointment.
Most people in those public hearings or whatever they were called have been very harshly criticized and scrutinized. Many backgrounds were checked.
There is always the suspicion of business or financial conflicts of interests. That suspicion feeds the spirit of accusation. But sometimes the accusers turn out to be correct.
One thing I like about the microbiome research is the possibility for optimism. Why is it that some people react very badly to vaccines and drugs, and others seem to have no problem? Well, perhaps the answer is that a good quality gut microbiome may save a man's life from all the stupid drugs and vaccines he inserts into his body.
Which also is of interest to the quasi-science of epidemonology. Sorry, I meant to say, epidemiology. What was I thinking about.
Epidemiology is statistics with delusions of grandeur. Confounders are hidden variables which modellers are not aware of, or choose to ignore, which cause the data to present a false appearance that two different things are just one, or that one process is more complicated than it actually is. Measuring the population-wide effects of drugs and vaccines without taking into account the status of the gut microbiome before and after could help to explain why everything in medical science is so shitty these last forty years.
On the other hand, it may be the case that naturopaths are correct in their general advice: your body will naturally have an optimal gut microbiome if you stop using all drugs and focus on real food. And this point of view goes against the interests of those who are interested in making business out of testing and treating the gut microbiome.
Lastly, the easier way to win the sacred war against germ theory is to introduce in the general public the idea that germs are actually health-promoting. And there are many angles to promote this idea. To have just one party line is wrong. Different groups have to their share of fight, in their own way. And it's best if the groups do not attack each other.
"The sacred war against germ theory"? As a book, movie or album title, I love it, and I may borrow it from you. But the Germies already think that the Terrainies are a sort of cult, and if they get the idea that you are on a Crusade or a Jihad, the ridicule level will go through the roof.
I have no problem with people believing there are no viruses, and I hate bullies too. But I personally think the virus vs. no-virus dichotomy is divisive, self-defeating for the medical freedom movement, and probably a psyop started by Chatham House, the Tavistock Center, and Cass Sunstein. I would much we all concentrate on fighting and winning the war against global totalitarianism and medical fascism, and I don't think it can be done if all of us on the freedom side are fighting among ourselves about what causes respiratory diseases. We are up against a powerful, united, determined vicious, genocidal oligarchy.
Summoning up my best Churchillian tones, I would like finish by saying that if we fail, then the whole world, including the United States, including all that we have known and cared for, will sink into the abyss of a new Dark Age made more sinister, and perhaps more protracted, by the lights of perverted science.
Politics versus values.
Or diplomacy versus truth.
Personally, I enjoy being a pessimist among optimists and an optimist among pessimists. Call me a fool, if you wish.
The no virus people are correct when they say that nothing good can come out from a lie. Which means that there won't be changes in medical communism (1) unless germ theory is exposed for the falsity that it always was, and an incredibly fruitful lie for practical politics, which is what poisons the mind and action of most people.
Divisiveness is good in this case because I believe in the international division of labor. Not everyone has to do the same thing.
I agree with the no virus people that it would be better if people would grow a spine and live by the truth that there are no infectious or contagious respiratory diseases. We get sick from damage to our respiratory organs from many objects that are in the air, particularly in polluted industrial places. But the idea of respiratory viruses was devised and implanted in everyone's thought precisely to protect the ugly reality of what really causes respiratory diseases. This is the real magic trick of the organizations and the sophists like the ones you mention.
But most people prefer to play diplomacy and politics. It seems to me that there are many conceited journalists with a hero complex and intellectuals who still can't abandon the Marxist/Freudian bullshit, who think they can be more Machiavellic than Machiavelli, and out-Satan Satan. They want to win playing in the enemy's field with the enemy's rules: the falsified Germ theory of disease has to be assumed to be true to be allowed to play and win the political game against globalist totalitarianism.
I think this other group of people have too much optimism and do not realize how badly they are going to get played. Politics is a game where everyone loses something of value.
Perhaps there are also personal interests at play in some cases. It's easier to sell vitamin c to combat infections to people who believe they are always at risk of infections if the salesman believes that vitamin c will prevent or at lest hinder viral replication and cell lysing, or that it boosts or modulates the immune system. And most of my fellow hypochondriacs will never admit they are hypochondriacs and will always find another bad argument to keep alive the delusion that their symptoms are caused by some kind of germ.
Hypochondriacs don't really want a solution, they want to mentally escape this murderous civilization, because they cannot improve their material conditions. So this small part of the problem won't end by telling the truth, in most cases, because it takes much effort to change one's own material conditions, and the salesmen will always find another line of business. this is a mere technical problem, and very superficial.
But the bigger fight, which is the question of what should the law be, cannot be won through the dark arts of politics, in my opinion.
We have to separate the Law and the State.
This can only be done with truth.
Optimistically, I think the genocidal oligarchy will devour itself. That's the true meaning of the Ouroboros. And the people who are part of the body of the anaconda will be destroyed as it eats itself. The political realists have already started the reconstruction of human society, using principles of natural rights.
Pessimistically, I think the anaconda is too big and it will affect even those who arrange their lives to not be part of it. It's useful for them to have other people infiltrated in the anaconda's body, trying to contain it, to reform it, or whatever metaphor goes well here. But they won't escape the destruction unscathed.
Optimistically, perhaps the Machiavellians can get a Pyrrhic victory by reducing the size of the anaconda. It's an Herculean task. I don't want to annoy them too much.
Pessimistically, it could be that the problem is that the snake is big and getting bigger precisely because there is no unity, and there won't be unity, because the people against tyranny will not accept ever the reality. They are too proud for science. If this is true, we are all totally screwed, and Sunstein will have to return some money to his clients because he didn't have to do much here and it's unethical to keep getting paid just for eating popcorn as he sees thousands of overeducated writers and researchers allow their pride to fan the flames of the delusion that consumes them. Or maybe he really has to do it because the clients are super duper greedy and will destroy him if they ever realize they had been fleeced by a mere sophist who plays all sides.
notes:
1. or medical fascism if you prefer that term; I happen to be the only person who writes fasciocommunism, but it's too precise and too long and people don't like length or precision in words. And also because many people want to protect their initial revolutionary programming, which sits at the core of their sense of self. It's miraculous to ever question the programming of the "self." So the socialists will always defend fascism or communism depending on the origin of their contempt for humanity.
No, I would never call you a fool, Roger. I respect you too far much for one thing. And it would be an open invitation for you to call me a moron for another.
As you say, we all have to move at our own pace. And "viruses don't exist" is a long way from "viruses have not been proven to exist" or "viruses have never been isolated", which are in turn on the over side of the ocean from the conventional "scientific consensus" (God, I hate that term!!!) that we all grew up assuming was self-evident.
At present, I can't see my way to embracing the "no virus" way of looking at the world, Agent Roger. I'll have to be loyal to the old ways and die out with them. I've been a hardcore anti-vaxxer for ten years now, although before that I was not averse to being jabbed when the doctor considered necessary. So my positions can evolve. But I also have my own ideas of truth and my own BS detector. I called BS on the Wako Branch Davidian Complex raid and Oklahoma City bombing stories soon after the respective official stories were rolled out. I was sure from the start that the Kuwaiti babies thrown out of their incubators and Saddam's use of an industrial shedder to kill his opponents were war propaganda lies from the get go. I never believed the 9/11 official conspiracy theory or the 7//7 one, never believed Sandy Hook, haven't believed in HIV as the cause of AIDS since the 1990s. Most people find my lack of faith disturbing.
But on viruses, I remain satisfied that they do exist, not because I can prove it, or because I've seen them with my own eyes, but because their existence makes sense to me as a working hypothesis that can explain respiratory infections such as colds and influenza, norovirus, etc., which I have experienced, and because all of the alternative explanations of what causes these illnesses that I've heard don't make sense to me. In short, they fail the credibility test. But that's just me.
At the end of the day, the truth should make seamless sense and untruths should leave uncomfortable holes or incongruities. If someone can explain to me how we get "viral" illnesses without viruses or contagion, and if the explanation makes sense to me, of course I will be happy to take it on board as an alternative working hypothesis.
Mike Yeadon has patiently tried to explain this, how we don't actually get infected and we don't infect other people, and that even though we think we do, the fact is we don't, and I do respect Mike and rate him as honest and intelligent, but I'm afraid this idea runs so counter to my personal experience that I can't accept it.
Mike is always hesitant to talk in absolute terms, but some of the other "no virus" promoters talk overconfidently and too smoothly, make big claims, and sound so sure of their position that my nose, ears and antenna go up, because I sense they are using sales talk to get people to buy into there ideas and to gloss over any problems with the story. This isn't how science was done back in the day.
I don't want to be sold a new theory; I want to be convinced of it by it's ability to explain my own experience better than the previous accepted theory, like Copernicus's solar system model refined by Galileo fitted the observations better than Ptolemy's system, and Kepler's model replacing circles with ellipses fitted better still. I don't want to be sold new scientific paradigms the way Procter and Gamble try to sell me soap powder.
But once I'm convinced "no virus" is the truth, I'll certainly hop aboard. I can handle the truth, no problem. Even as I struggle everyday to handle the truth that Western civilization as we knew it is being systematically destroyed and its denizens are being systematically poisoned and dumbed down—and the same goes. One day, someone is going to explain it all to me in Janet and John language and there will be a blinding flash of light, after which I shall attain a grasp of the thing that removes all doubts.
I've got to be pessimistic about our common future, haven't I. No need to spell it out in detail, but you were there; you saw how the majority put on their masks, social distanced, and lined up for their injections. And you can see how the majority doesn't really want examine what was done or how they acted. You know what they are like. They are the proles and outer party members in 1984, the sheep and chickens in animal farm, the Eloy in The Time Machine. And a lot of them in 2024 are still plugged into their TV or their social tedium.
We must hope that the genocidal oligarchy falls out among themselves before they get around to finishing us off. Because it doesn't look like we are going to lift a collective finger to help each other.
One last thing, when you get to a certain age, you don't have to be a hypochondriac to be concerned about what's ailing you. The aches and pains and twinges, the minor infections, the lack of energy and focus, the inability to unscrew the top off the pickle jar or climb the stairs, or get a good night's sleep—all these things will haunt you as reminders of your own mortality. You young whippersnappers don't know the half of it. Nor do I, really. Fortunately I'm still living in the kingdom of health, and I've done it largely by avoiding doctors. They've saved my life on more than one occasion, but they's also tried to poison me a few times.
What a wonderful discussion we are having here!
You have accurately described my positions not just on viruses or vaccines, but on skepticism of all the heavily-pushed narratives. (Edward Bernays I hope you are burning in Hell, if such a place exists!)
I cannot embrace Terrain theory, yet it greatly widened my thinking on how we stay healthy, and the need for maintaining a robust well-balanced biological system. That is the most important thing, whether or not viruses exist.
CARLO BROGNA NEW STUDY
Could the Spike Protein Derived from mRNA Vaccines Negatively Impact Beneficial Bacteria in the Gut?
https://www.mdpi.com/2673-8112/4/9/97
An illuminating discussion, and valuable in my view. In my opinion as a biomedical/aerospace engineer with human health careers and science oriented, Doctor Hazan is a VERY well-balanced physician with a scientific non-robotic mind, empirical results aficionado, with a non-trusting mind for Pharma marketing and government dictates. She is research and documentation oriented, seeks truth for the activities and interactions of ingested substances including healthy ones and poisons, plus more. She survived medical schools and still cares about the real goal to help people be healthy, and she has a strong empathic nature. So I have a really good “gut feeling” about her. I highly recommend this interview to all.
Big thing! After killing bad bacteria you must get the good bacteria in your gut, cand happy and multiplying. There are thousands of different bacteria, numbered. There are places to buy the correct number for the correlated disorder. Proved for obesity and many other disorders. NOT just any old probiotics
Can you post a link to those places?
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BPMHZV9J?tag=track-ect-usa-1393205-20&linkCode=osi&th=1&psc=1. As an example. Use google
Kind and diplomatic! Think I'll give it a listen, having an OPEN MIND ✓.
Celia's both/and approach in today's post is truly exemplary of an open mind. Thank you, Daniel, for calling it out. God, we all need more of that!
I like what Sabine has to say and the work that she is doing. I like that she understands the importance of a love connection between client and healer. They both agree that so many products are being being hyped to so many desperate people looking for a sinecure, mostly for profit.
We really know very little about these miraculous bodies we inhabit and our interbeing with the miraculous earth we live on. The work that Sabine and others like her are doing may be a drop in the bucket of understanding the mystery of life and influencing our health in a good way, but every drop is precious.
This, Diva, is brilliant:
“What might I learn even if I don’t entirely see the world her way?”
Yes indeed. I don't believe in "Terrain theory", yet it widens the scope of discussion quite a bit. Some of what they say makes me think carefully about "what makes a healthy, disease-rebuffing body, whether or not germs exist?"
Just a small thing, but I really like to know how to correctly pronounce people’s names…it feels important.
The interviewer introduced Dr Hazan, pronouncing it huh-zahn.
I’ve heard Dr Hazan, herself (if I’m remembering correctly), pronounce it hay-zen.
Either way, her work if fascinating and I listen to her interviews any chance I get!
Celia with the pretty name, I have had one daughter and two grand daughters diagnosed with Lyme by a medical facility based in GERMANY. It can be killed but the treatments and medicine is very expensive.
Search rumble and bitchute and Google for treatments. I've read them, they are out there.
Thank you but my daughter also found a few doctors who were aware and expert at treating this disease. This is what happens when one has dogs and they bring ticks into the house and they drop off and later infect the people therein.
What’s most important for me is hearing people’s personal feedback on MB. I’ve also listened to a dozen videos and curiously they all say the exact same thing(feels scripted). I took it daily for at least a month and then again for a short period. It did help me think clearer (I think) but my main side effect is that I develop Chilblanes (painful toes). Weird but true.