He/She is! I've been watching Ken Berry and other keto/ carnivore proponents for 3 years and I was once insulin dependent type 2 diabetic but I control it by eating virtually no carbs and intermittent fasting. He doesn't know how old the earth is but he knows his stuff on a healthy diet.
This is good. I would just add that people will need to fine-tune to some degree. Some people can't handle dairy, or at least some dairy products. Some do best on a higher level of fat than others.
Best decision I made! Within 2 days the inflammation in my hands went from a 10 to a 2. Gathering and trying new recipes and can’t wait to try a meat bread recipe that people are raving about! 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
After awhile you just settle into a hunk of meat, or a few eggs, or whatever animal is handy;-)
Your taste buds become more sensitive and you find yourself REALLY enjoying the simple taste of the animal alone. Salt is pretty much my only spice now. I also like the taste or organ meats more, but I get sick of it really fast too. It's like a "limit" is set on that now.
My whole entire life I have always eaten meat, red meat to be specific. It’s when I strayed away to a ‘healthy diet’ of carbs, grains and and dairy (cow) and less meat, that I ran into trouble. Now as a 70 year old person, I no longer eat grains, use no dairy (occasional goat or sheep cheese) and consume little sugar. I found that eliminating those things cut down on the inflammation in my body , I feel better and have good energy.
The major problem with the carnivore diet is that you can't adequately digest animal proteins w/o carbs.
So you can eat all the meat you like, lose weight, detox, etc., because your body is basically passing the majority of the animal proteins through undigested.
Eventually, over time, your body will begin to consume its own muscle. Like your heart which is a muscle.
The "carnivore diet" is the "Atkins diet" with a new name but the same old problems. Dr. Atkins died of a heart attack and his "diet" was exposed as unhealthy. Look into it.
While an animal protein only diet is okay for a while, it is not sustainable w/o major health problems being incurred. Irreversible problems.
It's a fad and people are making money from it. If an animal protein only diet were the healthiest would we not have discovered this hundreds of years ago? Think about it. Or not.
There are famous cases of people eating only meat and dying of malnutrition over time. Look into it.
We are NOT strict carnivores. We are NOT lions. We are omnivores. Trying to refashion the human body into a carnivore is like trying to turn your dog into a vegan.
Let me get this straight. You have stated that humans cannot properly digest animal products (proteins and fats) UNLESS they are combined with carbs? Did I get that right? Is this a fair representation of what you have claimed?
Can you explain the specific mechanism/s by which humans CANNOT properly (or completely?) digest animal fats and proteins WITHOUT including carbs? I've never even heard of this theory before. Even just one fact about the actual mechanisms at work here, (which prevent humans digesting animal products without "carbohydrates" present) would be useful to understanding why you believe this to be so.
I'm trying to imagine how ice-aged cavemen could possibly have survived, or how early Eskimos managed to live, if this is actually true. But I am open to learning. So please, explain the mechanism/s that prevent humans from digesting animal products UNLESS they also eat carbohydrates at the same time. Or are you saying the carbs must be digested at another time? Animal fats and proteins are what supply humans with the all of the building blocks for our requisite digestive aids, i.e., bile salts and pepsin, which are supremely suited for breaking down animal fats and proteins very efficiently, and very swiftly. In humans, this process takes place in the first stage of digestion, not later, down in the lower intestines, which are VERY small in humans.
Specifically, which "essential" digestive salts and enzymes are you claiming can only be produced if one also eats "carbs?" And which carbs are you talking about? There are so many different sources.
In both physical structure and acid/enzyme profile, the human digestive system is MUCH closer to a dog's than it is to ANY herbivore's. Humans actually have a lower PH (higher acid) than dogs do. High acid (low PH) is hostile to bacterial growth of ANY kind. This is why dogs can eat rotten road kill without a problem, just like a vulture. By contrast, herbivores have much more alkaline digestive systems, which is very friendly to bacterial growth, (ALL types of bacteria).
This abundance of bacteria is the mechanism by which plants are fermented and broken down. Herbivores, (including primates) have VERY large guts, or "fermentation vats" for carrying out this process. Neither dogs or humans have this requisite physical structure. Nor to they naturally produce the appropriate acid profile for harboring massive bacterial populations in their digestive tract, although certain types of bacteria are able to survive in the smaller/lower intestines of carnivores. In humans, (as in carnivores) the animal products are generally completely broken down BEFORE they enter the lower intestines. So I'm having trouble with your idea that humans eating meat, is like trying to make a dog into a vegan?
Are you attempting to claim that humans have little to no ability to digest meat, but that we ARE supremely suited to obtain adequate nutrition from plants? If so, it's important to understand that a human's primary "basket" (for the first stage of digestion) has the absolute perfect PH, structure, and enzyme profile, (primarily pepsin, which is most active in an acidic environment) for breaking down animal proteins and animal fats. In that hostile environment, almost no bacteria CAN survive, because it's so perfectly suited for breaking down complex protein chains, (and animal fats) without which, bacteria cannot survive.
In grade-school science class we used bile salts mixed with pepsin (in the exact proportions they're found in the human digestive system) and less than an hour later, ALL of the animal fats and proteins were completely broken down. There was NOTHING left intact. And yet, we all know that plants routinely come out of our arses still fully intact.
I understand the fermentation process that can occur in the smaller/lower intestine if one has LOTS of the right bacteria handy in there, (and lots of room for the gas too). But even with plenty of bacteria present, the break down of plants can take much more time, even days. And even after all of the painful gas and bloating produced in this process, not all plant fibers can be broken down by humans in any case. The presumption has been that this entire process (along with crapping out intact plant "fiber") is somehow good for our colons. But I've yet to see any solid evidence that this is actually true.
My own personal experience is that eating plants (even while taking in copious amounts of "good bacteria", and avoiding sugar and other toxins completely) produced only painful digestion, bloating, acid reflux, and MORE bowel irritation/inflammation and dysfunction. And it did nothing to improve my health while I continued enduring this painful (and embarrassing) process of trying to make my stomach function more like that of a cow. And I LOOKED like a cow the whole time too;-)
However, when I switched to carnivore, (out of desperation, due to debilitating arthritis) my joints calmed down almost immediately. At the time I first tried carnivore, I was imminently headed for a wheelchair, and now I am certain I won't spend my last years on earth like THAT. Once I started carnivore, I lost all excess body fat, (swiftly, and without hunger) and I also lost the severe depression and anxiety that had been getting worse in my 50's. I have since tried a few times to introduce plants, (trying only one at a time) and each time, my joints flare up again, SWIFTLY. And so too, does the acid reflux, the depression, etc., return as well.
I'm all done hurting myself now in this mad quest to be "able" to eat at least some plants by forcing my digestive system to function in the same way that a ruminate animal's does. They have HUGE fermentation vats (actual structural mechanisms) for stomachs, and they fart constantly. Primates also have these systems in place so that they are able to live primarily from plants. This is why their guts are so big, (in comparison to humans that are not obese) and they drag their knuckles and struggle when walking upright like humans do.
Once, after a bout of diarrhea made worse by a course of antibiotics that nearly brought me to hospitalization, I recovered by only eating cooked broccoli sprinkled with butter for nearly two weeks. Body commanded it.
Dr. Paul Saladino, another renowned Carnivore doctor does his own version of Carnivore with grass fed proteins, raw dairy and fruit as after a while of strict Carnivore, he wasn't feeling as well as he would like. Check out to see how Kelly Brogan does Carnivore too, maybe on her web site or she talks with a lot of other Carni folks. https://www.kellybroganmd.com/
May I say a wholly carnivore diet does not suit everyone. It can be very dangerous even if following these guidelines. i have a chronic illness, if i followed this diet I would be very ill very quickly. I eat a lot of meat but I also require dairy, carbohydrates and some vegetables.
No one diet is right for everyone - especially the food pyramid! LOL! For many chronic illnesses, which usually involve inflammation, it can be helpful. This is also contingent on other health issues, medications, etc. For may people reducing carbs can be enough to improve their symptoms. Not for everyone though.
I do not think there is any requirement for dairy in an adult. Butter is fine, but all the rest is problematic if not worse. Just in case, the best source of calcium is poppyseeds.
I made this transition gradually starting around two years ago. My initial goal was keto, with plenty of plant based foods. But I was snacking like crazy. Last July I decided to try 1 month of pure carnivore. It went without a hitch. I continue to eat mostly beef and eggs, but I'm not a fanatic. Had some crackers with my cheese just now. Avoid the sensational and listen to your body. I think the rest is simple. Oh yeah, break that habit of discarding the fat. That's a big one.
keto works with whole foods, not plant-based lab-engineered faux food. the cruciferous veg are crucial in healing the metabolic dysfunction that drives diseases.
I agree. I can't not have something to cut the meat and fat with. Berries in summer; pomegranites or grapefruit in winter work for me. I guess Paleo is more my style.
Remember that it's your micro biome you are feeding... you don't want to starve the ones that keep your lining strong. Can some of them go extinct? I don't know but just listen to your body and don't be extreme. Perhaps a good stool test at beginning would be good to see which critters are over populating and which are dwindling.
Cows actually live on the bacteria that eat the ground up and fermented grass, which cows "bloom" in their massive guts by feeding their billions of tiny "farm animals" in their guts. Then the cows enjoy digesting the "bloom."
Cows have TONS of "bacteria" growing in their stomachs. This is their "internal farming system." They do not produce the type of bile that humans do. The PH in a cow stomach is conducive to the growth of bacteria, (low acid). Humans have a very high stomach acid profile and the structure is also VERY close to that of a lion, or even a carrion bird. Most of the "good bacteria" we pay a fortune for is killed very quickly once it's swallowed, because of the extreme acidity. Cows are very different.
And unlike cows, we don't possess THREE massive stomachs designed to ferment plants and grow massive amounts of bacteria that we can then digest in order to obtain the essential fatty acids and aminos, which are largely unavailable directly from plants.
When first exploring the "lion" diet, my primary area of investigation was simply to study the structure and acid profile of the human digestive system as compared to various animals, according to their ideal diets. The acid level in the human stomach is close to that of predatory birds who swallow field mice whole;-) It's the type of environment that dissolves animal fats and proteins SWIFTLY. But it's not much good for breaking down plant fibers and plant cellulose. (You need a HUGE amount of bacteria in your stomach to do that.)
And human stomach-acid levels are downright hostile to so-called "good bacteria" which need a much more alkaline medium to survive, (which it does very well in the more alkaline environment that herbivores naturally maintain.
"The acid level in the human stomach is close to that of predatory birds who swallow field mice whole."
While the Ph levels of a bird's stomach acid and a human's stomach acid may be the same on a measuring stick, you cannot digest a whole field mouse. You would puke.
The chemical makeup of one acid to another varies vastly while they may have identical Ph levels of acidity.
I don't know where your have gotten your information about the human digestive system being hostile to "good bacteria". While the human stomach may be hostile to the "good bacteria", the small intestine is not. The stomach is highly acidic in order to break food down into molecules so as it travels through the extremely long small intestine, the nutrients can be extracted, absorbed and utilized.
What I'm saying (and you probably won't like this...) is you science is faulty and misleading.
I did NOT say that a HUMAN can (or should) swallow a mouse whole and digest it. I simply pointed out that our acid profile is MUCH closer to a predatory (or carrion) bird, than it is to a COW. Lying about a statement someone made, in order to "win" an argument (that never existed) is a strange way to engage in a debate. It's the strawman approach, and it produces nothing of value. It's just dishonest and nothing more.
There is NOTHING false or "misleading" about what I actually DID state. Twisting it, and falsely claiming that I said humans can, or should, swallow field mice whole, is a grotesque dishonesty. It is TRUE that our stomach acid profile IS closer to a predatory bird's than to a cow's. It's just a simple fact. Claiming that the human's stomach-acid profile (and structure) is closer to a cow's (or other herbivore's) and that therefore, we should eat just as they do, is what's obscenely false.
Lying about the statement I made is not how to "win" anything. It just exposes you as a dishonest person, nothing more.
It's not MY "science." It is simple factual data which is irrefutable. And yes, humans do have a (comparatively SMALL) portion of the stomach that is capable of performing the functions a cow's stomach can. It's just not ideal. A cow grazes ALL DAY LONG, and doesn't do much else. And they have THREE stomachs for this "blooming" process upon which their survival depends.
If you want to stretch your small intestine out so you can grow a farm of bacteria to digest plants for you, (with the accompanying bloating and gas;) you are free to see if you can force your stomach to behave more like a cow's. And by all means, load it up with all of the good bacteria you can get your hands on.
The acid profile and structure of the human digestive system IS closer to that of a lion than it is to ANY obligate herbivore. And a PH level just IS what it is, no matter WHAT substances are used to produce a particular PH level.
Enzymes such as pepsin (which humans produce a great deal of, and which is extremely effective for breaking down animal proteins/fats;-) are most active in a highly acidic environment. Human bile is EXTREMELY acidic. When a substance is extremely acidic, it just IS. And how acidic it is, is WHAT determines it's PH level. There's no magical "well it's very acidic but it's got a very high PH, (alkalinity) because it's a certain TYPE of acid."
There's no nuance here. A PH level can ONLY change if you alter the balance of acidity to alkalinity. Once you've established WHAT the PH level of the mixture/substance is (no matter what that substances is) it just IS that particular PH level.
Enjoy your grasses and leaves. Nobody cares if you want to eat plants. And nobody is telling you to eat meat. We're talking about why we want to eat meat. And the facts are simple when it comes to hard data about the human digestive system. There's really no way to mix this up with an irrational story about the PH levels of a digestive system. It just is what it is.
I said it was "your science" since it's the science you embrace as fact and continue to say is fact when in fact it is not factual.
I have no intention of or desire to stretch my intestines out or try to make them into a cow's stomach.
The Ph value of an acid is a measurement. It is not indicative or comprehensive as to the acid's chemical composition. I'm sorry this hard for you to understand.
While sulfuric acid is less acidic than human stomach acid, if you ingested sulfuric acid, it would burn your mouth and throat and surrounding skin and likely burn a hole in your stomach resulting in death. Whereas you can easily vomit stomach acid and incur no harm.
Your logic on this subject is illogical.
I am stating the facts of a carnivore diet to help people make informed decisions. Something you seem uninterested in and that's okay.
If you just want people to agree with anything you say without question maybe you'd be a good cult leader? Don't know how large the following would be, but, hey...
I have no idea who the "we" is you are referring to as if this article is a meat-eaters only club of some sort?
I will enjoy fruits and vegetables and meats and grains and a long life. God willing.
Oh, actually human bile CAN dissolve our teeth. Read up on the effects of bulimia and you'll see that this is TRUE. Human digestive acids are NOT safe in any OTHER part of the body, and they CAN (and do) dissolve tooth enamel.
An occasional episode of vomiting isn't going to ruin your teeth, (they can re-mineralize).
But unlike cows and gorillas, humans absolutely can NOT routinely vomit their food up (in order to rechew it and swallow it again) without injury to our mouths, throats, teeth. The acidity of the human digestive system is MUCH higher than in a cow. It's a simple fact. Go look it up.
You do know that higher PH means more alkaline (less acidic) right? Your arguments indicate you might not understand what a PH level actually is. Didn't you take basic science in school? Didn't you ever do the "tube" full of egg protein experiment, to watch what happens when it's exposed to human stomach bile? It's GONE in no time, completely broken down.
If you place plants in that same tube, and expose them to the same HUMAN digestive acids and enzymes, (the ones that we naturally produced, rather than the supplements we take) the plants are still there DAYS later, and parts of them NEVER break down. Oh, and if you ferment them, you get tons of gas, which is why cows fart so much;-)
"Informed" means actually acknowledging relevant data. The PH level of sulfuric acid is irrelevant to what humans are eating and what our digestive systems (both structure and PH) are comprised of. The PH level of sulfuric acid (like all other acids) depends upon it's concentration. I never suggested that humans should drink sulfuric acid. But you're trying to infer that I made such an absurd statement, in an effort to "win" an argument that YOU ALONE created.
What's sulfuric acid that got to do with the PH of the human digestive system? There are also substances which are so alkaline that they're caustic and can kill. But so what? It's irrelevant to whether humans are obligate herbivores, obligate carnivores, or something in between, i.e., omni.
gorillas, with whom we share 99% dna, are vegetarians. they adore tough stalks and have the jaw muscles to grind them mercilessly.
eating veg we feed our microbiome.
Dr Robert Lustig is very smart and funny clarifying the human digestive system and how sugar depletes our pancreas and liver, driving the modern US diseases so profitable to drug-dispensing "doctors".
It's true that a person can "feed" their "microbiome" by eating the plants which encourage bacterial growth (both "good" and "bad") in the lesser/lower intestines. For humans, the capacity to ferment plants is a secondary (vestigial) facet of digestion, indicative of a prior relationship to animals that can live exclusively on plants.
Gorillas also have HUGE guts and they're hunched over with their knuckles dragging on the ground;-) Primates have 24 chromosome base pairs (48 total) and humans only have 23 pairs (46 total). And many primates WILL eat other primates, other animals, and things like termite larvae (when they can get their hands on it). When they CAN get it, they'll eat meat. And this is because it's a more efficient/direct method of obtaining essential fatty acids and proteins.
The old news that humans are "almost identical" to gorillas is challenged by more recent understandings, proving that one of the 23 human base-pair chromosomes may have been fused together about 4 million years ago. However, scientists cannot be certain when, or how, or why this happened. It's clear that 'homo erectus' had a jump in brain size as they began to eat meat. The later "hunter gatherer" evidence shows that ice-age man lived primarily on meat/fish. The evidence for this is beyond dispute. They weren't growing crops;-)
I once visited the DC zoo and saw a gorilla barf into it's hand and then rechew it's leaves, (much like a cow). It was a long time ago, and I was ignorant of the fact primates do this, so I thought something was wrong with this gorilla. I asked a zoo worker if this animal was okay, (because what it was doing was really disgusting to witness;-) The worker said they do it all of the time, just like cows "chew their own cud/vomit."
Whatever % of DNA we DON'T share with gorillas makes a HUGE difference in brain size and many other obvious physical attributes. The presumption that our digestive system is the same as a gorilla's is simply false. It's no more true than to say our brains are the same as a gorilla's brain. Structurally, and in acid profile, the human digestive system differs from primates in major ways. Just a cursory glance at the outside of a healthy human stomach (which should NOT bulge and hang over the belt) makes this much obvious. But looking on the inside makes it abundantly clear we're very different.
I do believe that before the advent of MASS vaccination, humans had an easier time dealing with a broad variety of naturally-occurring plant toxins, and so, could obtain at least some beneficial nutrients from plants without harm. But now, nearly all humans (in industrialized nations) have been exposed to vaccines. Our immune systems no longer function as intended, and we're SUFFERING. Our dietary options are shrinking due to the damage vaccines have produced, and much of this mess appears it was intentional, particularly more recently.
Many people have ended (reversed) their chronic health problems (most of which are related to immune dysfunction these days) by eliminating plants from their diet. I for one, am simply unwilling to live a much shorter (and very agonizing) life in a wheelchair, just so I can go on eating plants, let alone because "apes" eat veggies, and after-all we share so much "DNA" with apes.
We share plenty of DNA (98%) with SWINE too. This doesn't mean it's a good idea to eat what they do;-)
Since I have already lived nearly 74 years, which is quite old considering that the life spans are falling, I find that eating has become quite complicated. There is so much to be said for either side of the meat-plant battle.
The globalists want everyone eating bugs and plants so I conclude that eating more meat is the best answer for me. I do the opposite of what the murdering globalists tell me to do. Cash is king, meats are sweet and drugs like mRNA poisons are not a treat.
the globalists want us eating lab-based crap like impossible burger. you'll see even in this thread, there's little mention of actual VEGETABLES, haha!
Yes the ancient sea beds from which "real salt" and even Himalayan salt are mined are not going to have the microplastics. Seems to me that's safer than recently harvested (and dried) sea salt.
It's harder than teeth. I dissolved it in water, decanted from insolubles (sand and rust), then let it dry. Also had sand in a dried seaweed I cooked with, so quit buying that variety.
Might try it if my Whitemond salt ever run out. Winco sells it. The Redmond company could remove the sand, but then it wouldn't be red. They'd have to change the name of at least the product, and perhaps the town. (Utah; not Washington - 39°0′19″N 111°52′2″W)
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Celia, this is an interesting interview between Andrew Huberman and Rick Rubin. At 22:19 Rubin talks about his 20 year vegan diet that destroyed his health and what he did to recover. The whole interview is worth watching.
Personally, I think strict carnivore is good for the healing process. I believe that in my own healing journey had I understood how important animal fat and protein are for the maintenance & well being of this vessel we occupy I would have healed it much faster over the mostly vegetarian approach I used. I know everyone is different but within my circle I have found those that hold strictly to vegetarian diets are not doing well over the long haul (heart attacks, fatty liver, inflammation, anxiety, fibroids, not aging well). Again, I know there are those that seem to do alright but I just haven't seen that in my circle. It could all be do to the consumption of processed foods and oils (food substitutes that vegetarian's often use). The other issue with eating plants only, for me, was that I was always hungry. Sure, I pooped like a champ but is that just because the body can't digest fiber and you are simply making the body work harder (using vital energy in the process) purging material it can not use?
Also, on a personal note, lately, when I see all the "science" conversations I just tune out. At this point, science is just a story full of indigestible fiber of he said she said points and counter points driven by ego for the most part. We just all need to take the wheel, process ideas instead of shutting them down, and stop looking to others to tell us what to do.
Seriously Celia, I have a bone to pick with you!!!!!
However, it will have to wait because right now I am gnawing on it and not willing to share !!!!
I can't tell if you are kidding.
He/She is! I've been watching Ken Berry and other keto/ carnivore proponents for 3 years and I was once insulin dependent type 2 diabetic but I control it by eating virtually no carbs and intermittent fasting. He doesn't know how old the earth is but he knows his stuff on a healthy diet.
Keto works better for those who are para-sympathetic dominant if it is based on animal sources of fats than plant.
I don't know what that means.
You should get started by looking up the late Dr. William Donald Kelley's work.
Do you know how to use a search engine and find out on your own?
I do and I will. Thank you Vonu.❤️
But you know, I love you nonetheless, don't you?🙏🏻🙏🏻❤️
She means a marrow bone or a chicken bone.
Marrow is what makes a bone worth gnawing after the meat is gone.
DO NOT forget meat organs !!!!!
Which are non-meat organs?
Absolutely right!
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So glad you posted this! I started listening to this guy last year. Never looked back. Everything got BETTER. Life got better.
“Everything got BETTER. Life got better.” Woot! Woot!! 😊🥳🎉
This is good. I would just add that people will need to fine-tune to some degree. Some people can't handle dairy, or at least some dairy products. Some do best on a higher level of fat than others.
Best decision I made! Within 2 days the inflammation in my hands went from a 10 to a 2. Gathering and trying new recipes and can’t wait to try a meat bread recipe that people are raving about! 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
After awhile you just settle into a hunk of meat, or a few eggs, or whatever animal is handy;-)
Your taste buds become more sensitive and you find yourself REALLY enjoying the simple taste of the animal alone. Salt is pretty much my only spice now. I also like the taste or organ meats more, but I get sick of it really fast too. It's like a "limit" is set on that now.
My whole entire life I have always eaten meat, red meat to be specific. It’s when I strayed away to a ‘healthy diet’ of carbs, grains and and dairy (cow) and less meat, that I ran into trouble. Now as a 70 year old person, I no longer eat grains, use no dairy (occasional goat or sheep cheese) and consume little sugar. I found that eliminating those things cut down on the inflammation in my body , I feel better and have good energy.
The major problem with the carnivore diet is that you can't adequately digest animal proteins w/o carbs.
So you can eat all the meat you like, lose weight, detox, etc., because your body is basically passing the majority of the animal proteins through undigested.
Eventually, over time, your body will begin to consume its own muscle. Like your heart which is a muscle.
The "carnivore diet" is the "Atkins diet" with a new name but the same old problems. Dr. Atkins died of a heart attack and his "diet" was exposed as unhealthy. Look into it.
While an animal protein only diet is okay for a while, it is not sustainable w/o major health problems being incurred. Irreversible problems.
It's a fad and people are making money from it. If an animal protein only diet were the healthiest would we not have discovered this hundreds of years ago? Think about it. Or not.
There are famous cases of people eating only meat and dying of malnutrition over time. Look into it.
We are NOT strict carnivores. We are NOT lions. We are omnivores. Trying to refashion the human body into a carnivore is like trying to turn your dog into a vegan.
Use your brains. Come on.
Always good to have some balance in everything, so true. Thanks Pirate.
The drive for instant gratification/results defies logic. Look at Ozempic.
I am so unpopular. ha...Thanks, matt. Yes, it's obvious God created us to achieve balance in all things. Thus the emphasis on moderation.
I have found the Narrow Path to sometimes be a tightrope. Balance is crucial and easily lost. Happens to me all the time...ha, again.
Let me get this straight. You have stated that humans cannot properly digest animal products (proteins and fats) UNLESS they are combined with carbs? Did I get that right? Is this a fair representation of what you have claimed?
Can you explain the specific mechanism/s by which humans CANNOT properly (or completely?) digest animal fats and proteins WITHOUT including carbs? I've never even heard of this theory before. Even just one fact about the actual mechanisms at work here, (which prevent humans digesting animal products without "carbohydrates" present) would be useful to understanding why you believe this to be so.
I'm trying to imagine how ice-aged cavemen could possibly have survived, or how early Eskimos managed to live, if this is actually true. But I am open to learning. So please, explain the mechanism/s that prevent humans from digesting animal products UNLESS they also eat carbohydrates at the same time. Or are you saying the carbs must be digested at another time? Animal fats and proteins are what supply humans with the all of the building blocks for our requisite digestive aids, i.e., bile salts and pepsin, which are supremely suited for breaking down animal fats and proteins very efficiently, and very swiftly. In humans, this process takes place in the first stage of digestion, not later, down in the lower intestines, which are VERY small in humans.
Specifically, which "essential" digestive salts and enzymes are you claiming can only be produced if one also eats "carbs?" And which carbs are you talking about? There are so many different sources.
In both physical structure and acid/enzyme profile, the human digestive system is MUCH closer to a dog's than it is to ANY herbivore's. Humans actually have a lower PH (higher acid) than dogs do. High acid (low PH) is hostile to bacterial growth of ANY kind. This is why dogs can eat rotten road kill without a problem, just like a vulture. By contrast, herbivores have much more alkaline digestive systems, which is very friendly to bacterial growth, (ALL types of bacteria).
This abundance of bacteria is the mechanism by which plants are fermented and broken down. Herbivores, (including primates) have VERY large guts, or "fermentation vats" for carrying out this process. Neither dogs or humans have this requisite physical structure. Nor to they naturally produce the appropriate acid profile for harboring massive bacterial populations in their digestive tract, although certain types of bacteria are able to survive in the smaller/lower intestines of carnivores. In humans, (as in carnivores) the animal products are generally completely broken down BEFORE they enter the lower intestines. So I'm having trouble with your idea that humans eating meat, is like trying to make a dog into a vegan?
Are you attempting to claim that humans have little to no ability to digest meat, but that we ARE supremely suited to obtain adequate nutrition from plants? If so, it's important to understand that a human's primary "basket" (for the first stage of digestion) has the absolute perfect PH, structure, and enzyme profile, (primarily pepsin, which is most active in an acidic environment) for breaking down animal proteins and animal fats. In that hostile environment, almost no bacteria CAN survive, because it's so perfectly suited for breaking down complex protein chains, (and animal fats) without which, bacteria cannot survive.
In grade-school science class we used bile salts mixed with pepsin (in the exact proportions they're found in the human digestive system) and less than an hour later, ALL of the animal fats and proteins were completely broken down. There was NOTHING left intact. And yet, we all know that plants routinely come out of our arses still fully intact.
I understand the fermentation process that can occur in the smaller/lower intestine if one has LOTS of the right bacteria handy in there, (and lots of room for the gas too). But even with plenty of bacteria present, the break down of plants can take much more time, even days. And even after all of the painful gas and bloating produced in this process, not all plant fibers can be broken down by humans in any case. The presumption has been that this entire process (along with crapping out intact plant "fiber") is somehow good for our colons. But I've yet to see any solid evidence that this is actually true.
My own personal experience is that eating plants (even while taking in copious amounts of "good bacteria", and avoiding sugar and other toxins completely) produced only painful digestion, bloating, acid reflux, and MORE bowel irritation/inflammation and dysfunction. And it did nothing to improve my health while I continued enduring this painful (and embarrassing) process of trying to make my stomach function more like that of a cow. And I LOOKED like a cow the whole time too;-)
However, when I switched to carnivore, (out of desperation, due to debilitating arthritis) my joints calmed down almost immediately. At the time I first tried carnivore, I was imminently headed for a wheelchair, and now I am certain I won't spend my last years on earth like THAT. Once I started carnivore, I lost all excess body fat, (swiftly, and without hunger) and I also lost the severe depression and anxiety that had been getting worse in my 50's. I have since tried a few times to introduce plants, (trying only one at a time) and each time, my joints flare up again, SWIFTLY. And so too, does the acid reflux, the depression, etc., return as well.
I'm all done hurting myself now in this mad quest to be "able" to eat at least some plants by forcing my digestive system to function in the same way that a ruminate animal's does. They have HUGE fermentation vats (actual structural mechanisms) for stomachs, and they fart constantly. Primates also have these systems in place so that they are able to live primarily from plants. This is why their guts are so big, (in comparison to humans that are not obese) and they drag their knuckles and struggle when walking upright like humans do.
gorillas are vegetarians. our microbiome lives off fiber in veg. cruciferous veggies are foundational. braised cabbage in butter can't be beat!
Once, after a bout of diarrhea made worse by a course of antibiotics that nearly brought me to hospitalization, I recovered by only eating cooked broccoli sprinkled with butter for nearly two weeks. Body commanded it.
Dr. Paul Saladino, another renowned Carnivore doctor does his own version of Carnivore with grass fed proteins, raw dairy and fruit as after a while of strict Carnivore, he wasn't feeling as well as he would like. Check out to see how Kelly Brogan does Carnivore too, maybe on her web site or she talks with a lot of other Carni folks. https://www.kellybroganmd.com/
Kelly is the bomb!
May I say a wholly carnivore diet does not suit everyone. It can be very dangerous even if following these guidelines. i have a chronic illness, if i followed this diet I would be very ill very quickly. I eat a lot of meat but I also require dairy, carbohydrates and some vegetables.
No one diet is right for everyone - especially the food pyramid! LOL! For many chronic illnesses, which usually involve inflammation, it can be helpful. This is also contingent on other health issues, medications, etc. For may people reducing carbs can be enough to improve their symptoms. Not for everyone though.
What illness is that??
I do not think there is any requirement for dairy in an adult. Butter is fine, but all the rest is problematic if not worse. Just in case, the best source of calcium is poppyseeds.
I made this transition gradually starting around two years ago. My initial goal was keto, with plenty of plant based foods. But I was snacking like crazy. Last July I decided to try 1 month of pure carnivore. It went without a hitch. I continue to eat mostly beef and eggs, but I'm not a fanatic. Had some crackers with my cheese just now. Avoid the sensational and listen to your body. I think the rest is simple. Oh yeah, break that habit of discarding the fat. That's a big one.
keto works with whole foods, not plant-based lab-engineered faux food. the cruciferous veg are crucial in healing the metabolic dysfunction that drives diseases.
Good thing that I love butter and steak & eggs!!
you can do that on keto and feed your microbiome on veggies. even bears eat berries.
I agree. I can't not have something to cut the meat and fat with. Berries in summer; pomegranites or grapefruit in winter work for me. I guess Paleo is more my style.
I think that humans are more omnivorous than strictly carnivorous.
The Doors -( YOU NEED MEAT) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7-98Jz6SuE
Remember that it's your micro biome you are feeding... you don't want to starve the ones that keep your lining strong. Can some of them go extinct? I don't know but just listen to your body and don't be extreme. Perhaps a good stool test at beginning would be good to see which critters are over populating and which are dwindling.
Cows actually live on the bacteria that eat the ground up and fermented grass, which cows "bloom" in their massive guts by feeding their billions of tiny "farm animals" in their guts. Then the cows enjoy digesting the "bloom."
Cows have TONS of "bacteria" growing in their stomachs. This is their "internal farming system." They do not produce the type of bile that humans do. The PH in a cow stomach is conducive to the growth of bacteria, (low acid). Humans have a very high stomach acid profile and the structure is also VERY close to that of a lion, or even a carrion bird. Most of the "good bacteria" we pay a fortune for is killed very quickly once it's swallowed, because of the extreme acidity. Cows are very different.
And unlike cows, we don't possess THREE massive stomachs designed to ferment plants and grow massive amounts of bacteria that we can then digest in order to obtain the essential fatty acids and aminos, which are largely unavailable directly from plants.
When first exploring the "lion" diet, my primary area of investigation was simply to study the structure and acid profile of the human digestive system as compared to various animals, according to their ideal diets. The acid level in the human stomach is close to that of predatory birds who swallow field mice whole;-) It's the type of environment that dissolves animal fats and proteins SWIFTLY. But it's not much good for breaking down plant fibers and plant cellulose. (You need a HUGE amount of bacteria in your stomach to do that.)
And human stomach-acid levels are downright hostile to so-called "good bacteria" which need a much more alkaline medium to survive, (which it does very well in the more alkaline environment that herbivores naturally maintain.
wow.
"The acid level in the human stomach is close to that of predatory birds who swallow field mice whole."
While the Ph levels of a bird's stomach acid and a human's stomach acid may be the same on a measuring stick, you cannot digest a whole field mouse. You would puke.
The chemical makeup of one acid to another varies vastly while they may have identical Ph levels of acidity.
I don't know where your have gotten your information about the human digestive system being hostile to "good bacteria". While the human stomach may be hostile to the "good bacteria", the small intestine is not. The stomach is highly acidic in order to break food down into molecules so as it travels through the extremely long small intestine, the nutrients can be extracted, absorbed and utilized.
What I'm saying (and you probably won't like this...) is you science is faulty and misleading.
I did NOT say that a HUMAN can (or should) swallow a mouse whole and digest it. I simply pointed out that our acid profile is MUCH closer to a predatory (or carrion) bird, than it is to a COW. Lying about a statement someone made, in order to "win" an argument (that never existed) is a strange way to engage in a debate. It's the strawman approach, and it produces nothing of value. It's just dishonest and nothing more.
There is NOTHING false or "misleading" about what I actually DID state. Twisting it, and falsely claiming that I said humans can, or should, swallow field mice whole, is a grotesque dishonesty. It is TRUE that our stomach acid profile IS closer to a predatory bird's than to a cow's. It's just a simple fact. Claiming that the human's stomach-acid profile (and structure) is closer to a cow's (or other herbivore's) and that therefore, we should eat just as they do, is what's obscenely false.
Lying about the statement I made is not how to "win" anything. It just exposes you as a dishonest person, nothing more.
It's not MY "science." It is simple factual data which is irrefutable. And yes, humans do have a (comparatively SMALL) portion of the stomach that is capable of performing the functions a cow's stomach can. It's just not ideal. A cow grazes ALL DAY LONG, and doesn't do much else. And they have THREE stomachs for this "blooming" process upon which their survival depends.
If you want to stretch your small intestine out so you can grow a farm of bacteria to digest plants for you, (with the accompanying bloating and gas;) you are free to see if you can force your stomach to behave more like a cow's. And by all means, load it up with all of the good bacteria you can get your hands on.
The acid profile and structure of the human digestive system IS closer to that of a lion than it is to ANY obligate herbivore. And a PH level just IS what it is, no matter WHAT substances are used to produce a particular PH level.
Enzymes such as pepsin (which humans produce a great deal of, and which is extremely effective for breaking down animal proteins/fats;-) are most active in a highly acidic environment. Human bile is EXTREMELY acidic. When a substance is extremely acidic, it just IS. And how acidic it is, is WHAT determines it's PH level. There's no magical "well it's very acidic but it's got a very high PH, (alkalinity) because it's a certain TYPE of acid."
There's no nuance here. A PH level can ONLY change if you alter the balance of acidity to alkalinity. Once you've established WHAT the PH level of the mixture/substance is (no matter what that substances is) it just IS that particular PH level.
Enjoy your grasses and leaves. Nobody cares if you want to eat plants. And nobody is telling you to eat meat. We're talking about why we want to eat meat. And the facts are simple when it comes to hard data about the human digestive system. There's really no way to mix this up with an irrational story about the PH levels of a digestive system. It just is what it is.
I said it was "your science" since it's the science you embrace as fact and continue to say is fact when in fact it is not factual.
I have no intention of or desire to stretch my intestines out or try to make them into a cow's stomach.
The Ph value of an acid is a measurement. It is not indicative or comprehensive as to the acid's chemical composition. I'm sorry this hard for you to understand.
While sulfuric acid is less acidic than human stomach acid, if you ingested sulfuric acid, it would burn your mouth and throat and surrounding skin and likely burn a hole in your stomach resulting in death. Whereas you can easily vomit stomach acid and incur no harm.
Your logic on this subject is illogical.
I am stating the facts of a carnivore diet to help people make informed decisions. Something you seem uninterested in and that's okay.
If you just want people to agree with anything you say without question maybe you'd be a good cult leader? Don't know how large the following would be, but, hey...
I have no idea who the "we" is you are referring to as if this article is a meat-eaters only club of some sort?
I will enjoy fruits and vegetables and meats and grains and a long life. God willing.
Oh, actually human bile CAN dissolve our teeth. Read up on the effects of bulimia and you'll see that this is TRUE. Human digestive acids are NOT safe in any OTHER part of the body, and they CAN (and do) dissolve tooth enamel.
An occasional episode of vomiting isn't going to ruin your teeth, (they can re-mineralize).
But unlike cows and gorillas, humans absolutely can NOT routinely vomit their food up (in order to rechew it and swallow it again) without injury to our mouths, throats, teeth. The acidity of the human digestive system is MUCH higher than in a cow. It's a simple fact. Go look it up.
You do know that higher PH means more alkaline (less acidic) right? Your arguments indicate you might not understand what a PH level actually is. Didn't you take basic science in school? Didn't you ever do the "tube" full of egg protein experiment, to watch what happens when it's exposed to human stomach bile? It's GONE in no time, completely broken down.
If you place plants in that same tube, and expose them to the same HUMAN digestive acids and enzymes, (the ones that we naturally produced, rather than the supplements we take) the plants are still there DAYS later, and parts of them NEVER break down. Oh, and if you ferment them, you get tons of gas, which is why cows fart so much;-)
"Informed" means actually acknowledging relevant data. The PH level of sulfuric acid is irrelevant to what humans are eating and what our digestive systems (both structure and PH) are comprised of. The PH level of sulfuric acid (like all other acids) depends upon it's concentration. I never suggested that humans should drink sulfuric acid. But you're trying to infer that I made such an absurd statement, in an effort to "win" an argument that YOU ALONE created.
What's sulfuric acid that got to do with the PH of the human digestive system? There are also substances which are so alkaline that they're caustic and can kill. But so what? It's irrelevant to whether humans are obligate herbivores, obligate carnivores, or something in between, i.e., omni.
Joy for the win.
Hot damn!
Great comment!!
gorillas, with whom we share 99% dna, are vegetarians. they adore tough stalks and have the jaw muscles to grind them mercilessly.
eating veg we feed our microbiome.
Dr Robert Lustig is very smart and funny clarifying the human digestive system and how sugar depletes our pancreas and liver, driving the modern US diseases so profitable to drug-dispensing "doctors".
It's true that a person can "feed" their "microbiome" by eating the plants which encourage bacterial growth (both "good" and "bad") in the lesser/lower intestines. For humans, the capacity to ferment plants is a secondary (vestigial) facet of digestion, indicative of a prior relationship to animals that can live exclusively on plants.
Gorillas also have HUGE guts and they're hunched over with their knuckles dragging on the ground;-) Primates have 24 chromosome base pairs (48 total) and humans only have 23 pairs (46 total). And many primates WILL eat other primates, other animals, and things like termite larvae (when they can get their hands on it). When they CAN get it, they'll eat meat. And this is because it's a more efficient/direct method of obtaining essential fatty acids and proteins.
The old news that humans are "almost identical" to gorillas is challenged by more recent understandings, proving that one of the 23 human base-pair chromosomes may have been fused together about 4 million years ago. However, scientists cannot be certain when, or how, or why this happened. It's clear that 'homo erectus' had a jump in brain size as they began to eat meat. The later "hunter gatherer" evidence shows that ice-age man lived primarily on meat/fish. The evidence for this is beyond dispute. They weren't growing crops;-)
I once visited the DC zoo and saw a gorilla barf into it's hand and then rechew it's leaves, (much like a cow). It was a long time ago, and I was ignorant of the fact primates do this, so I thought something was wrong with this gorilla. I asked a zoo worker if this animal was okay, (because what it was doing was really disgusting to witness;-) The worker said they do it all of the time, just like cows "chew their own cud/vomit."
Whatever % of DNA we DON'T share with gorillas makes a HUGE difference in brain size and many other obvious physical attributes. The presumption that our digestive system is the same as a gorilla's is simply false. It's no more true than to say our brains are the same as a gorilla's brain. Structurally, and in acid profile, the human digestive system differs from primates in major ways. Just a cursory glance at the outside of a healthy human stomach (which should NOT bulge and hang over the belt) makes this much obvious. But looking on the inside makes it abundantly clear we're very different.
I do believe that before the advent of MASS vaccination, humans had an easier time dealing with a broad variety of naturally-occurring plant toxins, and so, could obtain at least some beneficial nutrients from plants without harm. But now, nearly all humans (in industrialized nations) have been exposed to vaccines. Our immune systems no longer function as intended, and we're SUFFERING. Our dietary options are shrinking due to the damage vaccines have produced, and much of this mess appears it was intentional, particularly more recently.
Many people have ended (reversed) their chronic health problems (most of which are related to immune dysfunction these days) by eliminating plants from their diet. I for one, am simply unwilling to live a much shorter (and very agonizing) life in a wheelchair, just so I can go on eating plants, let alone because "apes" eat veggies, and after-all we share so much "DNA" with apes.
We share plenty of DNA (98%) with SWINE too. This doesn't mean it's a good idea to eat what they do;-)
Since I have already lived nearly 74 years, which is quite old considering that the life spans are falling, I find that eating has become quite complicated. There is so much to be said for either side of the meat-plant battle.
The globalists want everyone eating bugs and plants so I conclude that eating more meat is the best answer for me. I do the opposite of what the murdering globalists tell me to do. Cash is king, meats are sweet and drugs like mRNA poisons are not a treat.
the globalists want us eating lab-based crap like impossible burger. you'll see even in this thread, there's little mention of actual VEGETABLES, haha!
Redmond's Real Salt contains sand. Since I didn't want to ruin my teeth, I refined it out, and labeled the product "Whitemond salt".
Oh. I had only heard great things about it. Is sand bad?
Sand is primarily silica. Glass. And what much of the nano tech being found in people is constructed from. Silica.
Thank you.
It's better than sea salt by far. To many microplastics in table and sea salt
Yes the ancient sea beds from which "real salt" and even Himalayan salt are mined are not going to have the microplastics. Seems to me that's safer than recently harvested (and dried) sea salt.
Agreed. I am ready to meet and spend eternity with our Creator, but I'm still trying to live healthy now. My mother taught me to season for color🤣
It's harder than teeth. I dissolved it in water, decanted from insolubles (sand and rust), then let it dry. Also had sand in a dried seaweed I cooked with, so quit buying that variety.
I use that Redmonds salt and wonder why it tastes gritty at times! 🤔🤪
Pink Himalayan salt is prolly the best imho
It can be gritty, too
So can I Jaye🤪
Haha!
Sorry. Himalayan can be gritty, too
Might try it if my Whitemond salt ever run out. Winco sells it. The Redmond company could remove the sand, but then it wouldn't be red. They'd have to change the name of at least the product, and perhaps the town. (Utah; not Washington - 39°0′19″N 111°52′2″W)
Can you provide a link for me regarding intermittent fasting vs carnivore diet, and if the combo is healthy. TIA. Larry W Banyash MD
Larrybanyash@mac.com
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Here are a few sources and there are so many more: Carnivore Diet + Intermittent Fasting (The Perfect Match) - Wild Foods
Wild Blog Carnivore Diet + Intermittent Fasting (The Perfect Match) Carnivore Diet + Intermittent Fasting = The Perfect Match Since the carnivore diet is a zero-carb diet, the benefits you get from eating a carnivore diet are similar to the benefits you get from intermittent fasting.
https://atozwellbeing.com › carnivore-diet-and-intermittent-fasting
The Ultimate Guide to the Carnivore Diet and Intermittent Fasting
Oct 13, 2023UPDATED ON October 13, 2023 Introduction In recent years, the carnivore diet and intermittent fasting have gained significant attention in the health and wellness community. Both approaches have been praised for their potential to improve weight loss, increase energy levels, and enhance overall well-being.
https://www.allthingscarnivore.com › intermittent-fasting-best-practices-on-the-carnivore-diet
Intermittent Fasting Best Practices on the Carnivore Diet
Celia, this is an interesting interview between Andrew Huberman and Rick Rubin. At 22:19 Rubin talks about his 20 year vegan diet that destroyed his health and what he did to recover. The whole interview is worth watching.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpgqXCkRO-w
Personally, I think strict carnivore is good for the healing process. I believe that in my own healing journey had I understood how important animal fat and protein are for the maintenance & well being of this vessel we occupy I would have healed it much faster over the mostly vegetarian approach I used. I know everyone is different but within my circle I have found those that hold strictly to vegetarian diets are not doing well over the long haul (heart attacks, fatty liver, inflammation, anxiety, fibroids, not aging well). Again, I know there are those that seem to do alright but I just haven't seen that in my circle. It could all be do to the consumption of processed foods and oils (food substitutes that vegetarian's often use). The other issue with eating plants only, for me, was that I was always hungry. Sure, I pooped like a champ but is that just because the body can't digest fiber and you are simply making the body work harder (using vital energy in the process) purging material it can not use?
Also, on a personal note, lately, when I see all the "science" conversations I just tune out. At this point, science is just a story full of indigestible fiber of he said she said points and counter points driven by ego for the most part. We just all need to take the wheel, process ideas instead of shutting them down, and stop looking to others to tell us what to do.