Reader Comment: Alice Hoagland Had 4 Sons All Named Mark. Who Was Alice Hoagland, And Are We Allowed To Ask?

Extraordinary Claims Require Extraordinary Proof. But Now The Circle Is Drawn

”Mark, this is your mom. Apparently it’s terrorists and they’re hell bent on crashing the aircraft, so if you can, try to take over the aircraft. Group some people and perhaps do the best you can to get control of it. I love you sweetie. Good luck. Bye bye.”

Message allegedly left on Mark Bingham’s cell phone by his mother, retrieved after September 11.

Ok, I have to do something else for the rest of the day but I’m going to say a few things quickly, first.

When I heard the alleged voicemail last night from the mother of Mark Bingham, we are told was named Alice Hoagland, I felt a strong visceral sense of “NO.” That it could not be “real.” It made me angry. I hadn’t focused on it before. It made me angry “as a mother” also, of one child, a son, now 29.

It made me more angry than I can describe.

I often say “God forgive me if I am wrong,” and that guilt/fear is always present. What if I pounced on a now dead grieving mother’s words and just declared them to be “not how a mother would sound” in that unthinkable situation and was wrong? That would be a dark and move. I did it anyway, though I edited it down a bit. I removed my comments about “WASPS” being known for controlled expressions and not getting “emotional.” I thought maybe that was too edgy. But it was me trying to give her the “benefit of the doubt.” Stretching my mind as much as I could to accommodate the elephant herds of all that made no sense. Doing so to be good, decent, not bad, not a paranoid little demon.

The “good luck,” the “sweetie,” and especially the “bye bye,” drove me crazy last night. While I was still worried I was wrong and feeling like a monster.

Journalists are often monsters. But not always. I feel that I can’t be wrong. It’s too weird.

You can listen to it in this post, which contains the Alice Hoagland material. I searched for obituaries, a funeral…I didn't find much. Except the official story when Alice Hoagland, the LGBTQ supporting gay Rugby supporter and “9/11 activist,” died. Supposedly. These figures are shellacked in perfection paint, without exception. “She lived for her son,” “She always had a smile on her face,” “She never stopped fighting,” etc. He too, was perfection. He was a buff gay man who not only tried to overpower highjacks but died fighting stereotypes about gay men. This kind of thing also engages me, viscerally.

Listen to it. Alice’s alleged voicemail.

Did they have to also corrupt all notions of what a mother would sound like if she had reached her son, once, on a hijacked plane, and then called him back? Maybe this is my smoking gun. Since I’m no expert on melting steel and all that.

Always when I go with my instincts, something astounding appears in the net, overnight. As it did this time. Did you all see this? If true, this is all we need. I hope the author will tell us more.

3 hrs agoLiked by Celia Farber

“I’m working on my book about the three secret lives of [Ms.] Hoagland. She had 4 sons named Mark with 4 men who never met each other. See how simple it is to make the gov't tell the truth?

[Wait, what? Really? This is something we can take to the bank? I never knew this. This is unbelievable. I want to know more.—Ed]

“I like what you've written.

“One can see the part of a plane which has a different color paint on the top 20% of it, it's a cylinder, not a box. [I don’t understand this.]

“Have you tried to follow what Judy Wood wrote? showing how they pulled down a 6 story building with cables to not stress the bath tub which of course feared no stress from 3 giant buildings falling on it.

The sidewalk and the concrete apron at the lobbies seemed to resist the landing of 400,000 tons of rubble from high above. Surely they were made of muhammad atta passport matter.

No rubble in the basements seen on video widely distributed by the people running the psy-op themselves.

Airplanes which don't slow down on entering and crashing through one hundred times their own weight of matter all with a much higher tensile strength.

Obviously Isaac Newton was a NWO shill. When they put those words in his mouth about equal and opposite reactions all those years ago was when they'd first planned 911.”

Comment by le_berger_des_photons.

How do you react to a figure who may or may not be “real” but whose human experience you would have huge sympathy for? Massive dilemma.