Coincidentally at this moment I am listening to a live webinar by Anna that Hay House is offering to everyone who bought her new book. That tickling story is horrifying. How disrespectful! That illustrates my observation that too many people who go into healing work haven't done enough of their own.
It is an unfortunate fact that there are many people in the psych profession who only went into it because someone told them they had a MH diagnosis, and they wanted to check that out for themselves.
Once a male therapist described to me how to give a proper blow job, no kidding. Considering my family psychopathology it was so astounding it actually brought me some clarity. The real tragedy is the psychological community generally plays right into the very reasons most people seek therapy, looking for a champion, someone who believes them and in them, and stands with them. Instead we’re nullified and reminded to respect authority (honor they mother and father) the very hierarchical menaces authority figures that seek to control and abuse us. It’s monstrous.
"Instead we’re nullified and reminded to respect authority (honor they mother and father) the very hierarchical menaces authority figures that seek to control and abuse us. It’s monstrous."
this is unprofessional and abusive. Was this a church sponsored therapist? I think the newer crop of talk therapists have been taught techniques of conversation unknown before, and it might be worth another shot.
I tried a “new age” mostly out of curiosity. She told me on my first visit I had a “personality disorder” and gave me a pile of xerox copies to read. I thought, wow the newest spawn of idiots. After that I gave up the possibility of “therapy”. My notion that we’re all in this alone was once again reinforced.
I also got livid when people did that to me when I was younger. Does ANYONE like it? And yeah, there is something gross about it - that when you say stop, they don't?
It's really about letting go for your own sake, isn't it! It always reminds me of that quote, "resentment is like eating poison and expecting the other person to die."
Kinda like I always was interested in Alice Munro's writing, but found out she was married to a pedophile who abused her own daughter, and she stayed with him....
As an aside, funny that you include a quote from therapist/writer Alice Miller...who I once respected. That was until I learned that she abused her own child.
Gleaned from internet:
"Outwardly, Alice Miller stood for the empathetic and non-violent education of children, thereby becoming a star of pedagogy. Her own son [Martin Miller] came to know a very different woman. The book, which he now has written at the age of 63, is not an accusation. But rather the attempt to understand deeply ingrained traumas.
The book is called
The True “Drama of the Gifted Child”: The Phantom Alice Miller"
My husband does deeply good work with his clients, helping them heal trauma at its root cause, whether in this lifetime or a past one. He came to do the work because of a leukemia diagnosis 20 years ago, which sent him to the physical, then mental, and finally spiritual dimension.
He always says that clients show up to work with him "when they've suffered enough," meaning that they've exhausted all the more traditional approaches. It takes courage to do the work necessary to heal -- it's not easy, and it's not comfortable. Most are not willing to step into the fire of transformation.
Celia that's a lovely post thank you. I commented thus on Anna Runkle's video:
"Excellent thank you. I'm still working on reinventing myself so as to earn good money again, but all else is good for me now, and your guidance is very wise, because you have lived it.
'It' is work of the soul IMHO/experience. I've lived the trauma-informed rebirth too (as I often frame 'it'), although differently because I'm a man, and my particular traumas were rooted in believing I was responsible for putting others before myself (from very early childhood) which then meant that my response to losing my partner to suicide was that I should end suicide globally. I seriously believed it was my responsibility and purpose to do that. Anyway, long stories.
Emotional growth hurts, and that's why we need to stay in charge; to do what we need to learn that we deserve self-love, self-forgiveness, and then to practice these things and more.
Dabrowski's Theory of Positive Disintegration helped me a lot - to understand the point of the pain; that we grow because of our grief, and because of our loss and rebirth of self. I found you via Celia Farber incidentally. Thank you both. Love, gratitude, Alan Chapman"
Thanks again Celia, and for anyone interested in Dabrowski's Theory of Positive Disintegration, it's here: positivedisintegration.com
I'm 67 years old now, and regard my traumas as gifts. I live a much more fearless, contented, fit, healthy, strong life now because of these gifts. And the very interesting thing is now, while have no wish to live for ever - when my time is up I'll go joyfully to whatever is next - I am increasingly fit and healthy at 67; more so than ever before in so very many ways. Energy is fascinating. Quantum. Plasma. Shungite. Auras. Manifesting. Dowsing. We are souls, not physical bodies, nor atoms. We are pure energy. Consciousness makes matter, not vice versa. I am extremely lucky. Enough ego to write this, but no more than that, and in awe of what loving souls can do in this somewhat illusory life :)
I agree with the observation about trauma in the world today. Aaron, Daniel and Gabor Mate have an excellent conversation about what's going on in Israel. Anyway, I thought I'd mention that video. You can see the collective trauma discussion starting at 20 minutes in: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azxtxKyHntA&t=474s
Just think, I was born to trauma when my entire extended family was exterminated. Since my birth there’s been war and more wars my entire life. My parents were traumatized and passed it along…. Just like now when cancer has become like the common cold as has autism so much so that hardly anyone wonders how it happened, and majority got the poison shots without question. The world is in the grip of something deadly…
Thank you for the Anna Runkle video, Celia. Very wise, reassuring and empowering words. And thank you also for invoking the wonderful Mister Rogers! <3 ;-)
When I was graduating from art school...a good one, with a scholarship, I was extremely worried about whether I could make a living as a free-lance artist. It was in the mid-60's, and women were not welcomed so much as free-lancers then. My parents were pushing me to get married, to accept an art teacher job which would have landed me in a classroom for 5 days a week. Yech. At the urging of my (kind and worried) parents and a family friend, a psychiatrist, I went for talk therapy twice a week for over 2 years. It cost me half my little salary working as an art assistant in a magazine, and, when I looked back at the experience, it was a huge expensive waste of time. A friend introduced me to Scientology. I was curious, and read "Dianetics, Modern Science of Mental Health" and it made sense.
I went for the first intro lecture, and on the bench beside me in the waiting space was the NY Times...a giant headline: "Scientology, a Dangerous Cult". I said the hell with it I'll give it a try regardless. I did give it a try. After the Communication Course, and about 10 days of very concentrated, effective, and yes, mind-blowing auditing, I took my little portfolio out to work, and in short order, began scoring job after job. I began to make a living as an award-winning free-lance illustrator, and never looked back.. While I am saying nice things about Scientology, I think one should take it...as with any religious philosophy...with a bit of reserve and skepticism. But getting free of the psychiatric endless treadmill of lots of expense no results was a mighty good idea. Also a mighty good idea to NEVER believe the major media, who are sucking at the teat of the med/pharma complex.
Here's you regurgitating commentary from a pharma-med funded major media INFURIATED by Scientology's opposition to dreadful psychiatric brain operations, like frontal lobotomy, practiced on thousands of innocents, and the wholesale drugging of people...including millions of children. BigMed/BigPharma hates Scientology because its efficient and ethical auditing techniques help people better their lives without intervention of poisonous psychic drugs and endless expensive years of "talk therapy". I wonder if you bothered to read my comment. My experience has been the experience of countless others. And if any do get services from Scientology and are not satisfied, they can immediately get their money....all of it...refunded. Do you know any other form of "therapy" willing to do that?
I and many many tens of thousands of others thank Scientology's effective and ethical help in achieving our best life. Every time I hear an ignorant comment like yours...or the NY Times' I wonder, did you ever read a Scientology book, listen to a Scientology lecture? Experience Scientology auditing? Or are you just hopping onto the "liberal" "doctors-know-everything" bandwagon?
Scientology is not for everyone. No religious philosophy is. But have a look at the crimes of other religions...murder of "heretics", massive embezzlement, rapes of children... Be careful of ignorantly slinging words like "cult" around. Read some history.
Please show me some accounts...actual events, where real people felt dissatisfied with Scientology services, and asked for return of money for what they paid. If you can't prove what you allege, then don't falsely accuse. I do know of a very few who expected more than they got, and asked for their money back. It was promptly returned. All of it.
Show me another form of therapy....medical or religious... willing to do that.
YES! Anna Runkle is amazing. She's the first person who connected a LOT of dots for me. I'm very happy to see her business thriving. I bet she has helped a huge number of people. Thanks for sharing her. I can attest to her Morning Practice, and have attended a couple of those with her. The journaling in the a.m. is amazing.
If I were a patient of a therapist who tickled me, that therapist would lose me as his/her patient. I certainly would not return to a therapist who did that to me.
Steps 1, 2 and 3 are crucial and amazing. All of the steps work and can be applied to any malaise. If you are lucky enough as I was to find someone (sadly not in my life anymore but that’s been my decisions too!( who has a wider vision then healing on all levels CAN happen.
First step - that’s just the truth. Where are we stuck, repeating same mistakes, using unhealthy coping mechanisms?
Second step - now we know the truth can we come to believe that we can live another way? - This is about reclaiming the dream. What would my life look like without having these problems, that you are now cured… cured a word rarely used so maybe just without. I was told to draw it or write it. Reclaiming the vision and the wants that perhaps we thought no longer possible..
Third Step - having the willingness to do things differently and suggested but with the help of others, a higher power/God.
Those helped me overcome so much. Of course life has happened and some things set me back a bit and others I managed in a way I would not have been able to when I grew up in the dysfunctional family (as so many of us do!). My awareness and not labelling myself (as Anna says in this video) has stopped me identifying just as my illness - I don’t like the repetition of saying “I’m so and so and I am an addict/alcoholic/sex addict etc etc. as I feel it’s unhealthy and some sort of MK Ultra programming to keep people separated and different and to always feel ‘sick’. Some say it’s necessary as ‘denial’ makes you forget you are one??? What BS. We all know what we are up to when we are honest with ourselves. Just wanted to share this as this video reminded me what has helped me. Thank you C as ever you hit the mark. We all need this help as we have all suffered the last 4 years if we didn’t before xx
Coincidentally at this moment I am listening to a live webinar by Anna that Hay House is offering to everyone who bought her new book. That tickling story is horrifying. How disrespectful! That illustrates my observation that too many people who go into healing work haven't done enough of their own.
It is an unfortunate fact that there are many people in the psych profession who only went into it because someone told them they had a MH diagnosis, and they wanted to check that out for themselves.
Yes, most in the psych profession are psycho ! IMO. There’s likely a few exceptions, but I never came across one in my 78 years.
All the ones I’ve worked with were obsessed with sex and sex abuse.
Once a male therapist described to me how to give a proper blow job, no kidding. Considering my family psychopathology it was so astounding it actually brought me some clarity. The real tragedy is the psychological community generally plays right into the very reasons most people seek therapy, looking for a champion, someone who believes them and in them, and stands with them. Instead we’re nullified and reminded to respect authority (honor they mother and father) the very hierarchical menaces authority figures that seek to control and abuse us. It’s monstrous.
"Instead we’re nullified and reminded to respect authority (honor they mother and father) the very hierarchical menaces authority figures that seek to control and abuse us. It’s monstrous."
this is unprofessional and abusive. Was this a church sponsored therapist? I think the newer crop of talk therapists have been taught techniques of conversation unknown before, and it might be worth another shot.
I tried a “new age” mostly out of curiosity. She told me on my first visit I had a “personality disorder” and gave me a pile of xerox copies to read. I thought, wow the newest spawn of idiots. After that I gave up the possibility of “therapy”. My notion that we’re all in this alone was once again reinforced.
YES AJ: Most psych people I've know tell me they went into it because THEY needed it. 88&8's,Dave
precisely
100%
Relating to your comment, please see mine above re: psychologist Alice Miller.
I also got livid when people did that to me when I was younger. Does ANYONE like it? And yeah, there is something gross about it - that when you say stop, they don't?
Thank you for all your help! I watch your YouTubes regularly. You're a marvel.
Forgiveness is for you, not the perpetrator. It’s only possible with God.
It's really about letting go for your own sake, isn't it! It always reminds me of that quote, "resentment is like eating poison and expecting the other person to die."
It’s difficult and important to heal.
GOD and Nature has healed me more than anything.
The nature is meant to heal and bring you closer to the creator
Alice Miller totally rocks. Her classic book, "Drama of the Gifted Child" pierces the heart. Brace yourself.
Kinda like I always was interested in Alice Munro's writing, but found out she was married to a pedophile who abused her own daughter, and she stayed with him....
As an aside, funny that you include a quote from therapist/writer Alice Miller...who I once respected. That was until I learned that she abused her own child.
Gleaned from internet:
"Outwardly, Alice Miller stood for the empathetic and non-violent education of children, thereby becoming a star of pedagogy. Her own son [Martin Miller] came to know a very different woman. The book, which he now has written at the age of 63, is not an accusation. But rather the attempt to understand deeply ingrained traumas.
The book is called
The True “Drama of the Gifted Child”: The Phantom Alice Miller"
I removed the quotes. I still think her writings stand, but anyway, I removed them.
I agree her books helped me a lot, too bad she turned out to be a mess personally.
Okay, this. Anybody who has a great name for their website, like crappychildhoodfairy, I'm going to spend some time there.
You won't be disappointed. Her content is so very helpful.
My husband does deeply good work with his clients, helping them heal trauma at its root cause, whether in this lifetime or a past one. He came to do the work because of a leukemia diagnosis 20 years ago, which sent him to the physical, then mental, and finally spiritual dimension.
He always says that clients show up to work with him "when they've suffered enough," meaning that they've exhausted all the more traditional approaches. It takes courage to do the work necessary to heal -- it's not easy, and it's not comfortable. Most are not willing to step into the fire of transformation.
Celia that's a lovely post thank you. I commented thus on Anna Runkle's video:
"Excellent thank you. I'm still working on reinventing myself so as to earn good money again, but all else is good for me now, and your guidance is very wise, because you have lived it.
'It' is work of the soul IMHO/experience. I've lived the trauma-informed rebirth too (as I often frame 'it'), although differently because I'm a man, and my particular traumas were rooted in believing I was responsible for putting others before myself (from very early childhood) which then meant that my response to losing my partner to suicide was that I should end suicide globally. I seriously believed it was my responsibility and purpose to do that. Anyway, long stories.
Emotional growth hurts, and that's why we need to stay in charge; to do what we need to learn that we deserve self-love, self-forgiveness, and then to practice these things and more.
Dabrowski's Theory of Positive Disintegration helped me a lot - to understand the point of the pain; that we grow because of our grief, and because of our loss and rebirth of self. I found you via Celia Farber incidentally. Thank you both. Love, gratitude, Alan Chapman"
Thanks again Celia, and for anyone interested in Dabrowski's Theory of Positive Disintegration, it's here: positivedisintegration.com
I'm 67 years old now, and regard my traumas as gifts. I live a much more fearless, contented, fit, healthy, strong life now because of these gifts. And the very interesting thing is now, while have no wish to live for ever - when my time is up I'll go joyfully to whatever is next - I am increasingly fit and healthy at 67; more so than ever before in so very many ways. Energy is fascinating. Quantum. Plasma. Shungite. Auras. Manifesting. Dowsing. We are souls, not physical bodies, nor atoms. We are pure energy. Consciousness makes matter, not vice versa. I am extremely lucky. Enough ego to write this, but no more than that, and in awe of what loving souls can do in this somewhat illusory life :)
I agree with the observation about trauma in the world today. Aaron, Daniel and Gabor Mate have an excellent conversation about what's going on in Israel. Anyway, I thought I'd mention that video. You can see the collective trauma discussion starting at 20 minutes in: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azxtxKyHntA&t=474s
Just think, I was born to trauma when my entire extended family was exterminated. Since my birth there’s been war and more wars my entire life. My parents were traumatized and passed it along…. Just like now when cancer has become like the common cold as has autism so much so that hardly anyone wonders how it happened, and majority got the poison shots without question. The world is in the grip of something deadly…
Thank you for the Anna Runkle video, Celia. Very wise, reassuring and empowering words. And thank you also for invoking the wonderful Mister Rogers! <3 ;-)
When I was graduating from art school...a good one, with a scholarship, I was extremely worried about whether I could make a living as a free-lance artist. It was in the mid-60's, and women were not welcomed so much as free-lancers then. My parents were pushing me to get married, to accept an art teacher job which would have landed me in a classroom for 5 days a week. Yech. At the urging of my (kind and worried) parents and a family friend, a psychiatrist, I went for talk therapy twice a week for over 2 years. It cost me half my little salary working as an art assistant in a magazine, and, when I looked back at the experience, it was a huge expensive waste of time. A friend introduced me to Scientology. I was curious, and read "Dianetics, Modern Science of Mental Health" and it made sense.
I went for the first intro lecture, and on the bench beside me in the waiting space was the NY Times...a giant headline: "Scientology, a Dangerous Cult". I said the hell with it I'll give it a try regardless. I did give it a try. After the Communication Course, and about 10 days of very concentrated, effective, and yes, mind-blowing auditing, I took my little portfolio out to work, and in short order, began scoring job after job. I began to make a living as an award-winning free-lance illustrator, and never looked back.. While I am saying nice things about Scientology, I think one should take it...as with any religious philosophy...with a bit of reserve and skepticism. But getting free of the psychiatric endless treadmill of lots of expense no results was a mighty good idea. Also a mighty good idea to NEVER believe the major media, who are sucking at the teat of the med/pharma complex.
Here's you regurgitating commentary from a pharma-med funded major media INFURIATED by Scientology's opposition to dreadful psychiatric brain operations, like frontal lobotomy, practiced on thousands of innocents, and the wholesale drugging of people...including millions of children. BigMed/BigPharma hates Scientology because its efficient and ethical auditing techniques help people better their lives without intervention of poisonous psychic drugs and endless expensive years of "talk therapy". I wonder if you bothered to read my comment. My experience has been the experience of countless others. And if any do get services from Scientology and are not satisfied, they can immediately get their money....all of it...refunded. Do you know any other form of "therapy" willing to do that?
I and many many tens of thousands of others thank Scientology's effective and ethical help in achieving our best life. Every time I hear an ignorant comment like yours...or the NY Times' I wonder, did you ever read a Scientology book, listen to a Scientology lecture? Experience Scientology auditing? Or are you just hopping onto the "liberal" "doctors-know-everything" bandwagon?
Scientology is not for everyone. No religious philosophy is. But have a look at the crimes of other religions...murder of "heretics", massive embezzlement, rapes of children... Be careful of ignorantly slinging words like "cult" around. Read some history.
Did you get auditing? What was the result? If not satisfactory, did you request return of your money? What happened?
Please show me some accounts...actual events, where real people felt dissatisfied with Scientology services, and asked for return of money for what they paid. If you can't prove what you allege, then don't falsely accuse. I do know of a very few who expected more than they got, and asked for their money back. It was promptly returned. All of it.
Show me another form of therapy....medical or religious... willing to do that.
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GARY D. BARNETT
OCT 14, 2024
YES! Anna Runkle is amazing. She's the first person who connected a LOT of dots for me. I'm very happy to see her business thriving. I bet she has helped a huge number of people. Thanks for sharing her. I can attest to her Morning Practice, and have attended a couple of those with her. The journaling in the a.m. is amazing.
If I were a patient of a therapist who tickled me, that therapist would lose me as his/her patient. I certainly would not return to a therapist who did that to me.
Thanks for this.
Steps 1, 2 and 3 are crucial and amazing. All of the steps work and can be applied to any malaise. If you are lucky enough as I was to find someone (sadly not in my life anymore but that’s been my decisions too!( who has a wider vision then healing on all levels CAN happen.
First step - that’s just the truth. Where are we stuck, repeating same mistakes, using unhealthy coping mechanisms?
Second step - now we know the truth can we come to believe that we can live another way? - This is about reclaiming the dream. What would my life look like without having these problems, that you are now cured… cured a word rarely used so maybe just without. I was told to draw it or write it. Reclaiming the vision and the wants that perhaps we thought no longer possible..
Third Step - having the willingness to do things differently and suggested but with the help of others, a higher power/God.
Those helped me overcome so much. Of course life has happened and some things set me back a bit and others I managed in a way I would not have been able to when I grew up in the dysfunctional family (as so many of us do!). My awareness and not labelling myself (as Anna says in this video) has stopped me identifying just as my illness - I don’t like the repetition of saying “I’m so and so and I am an addict/alcoholic/sex addict etc etc. as I feel it’s unhealthy and some sort of MK Ultra programming to keep people separated and different and to always feel ‘sick’. Some say it’s necessary as ‘denial’ makes you forget you are one??? What BS. We all know what we are up to when we are honest with ourselves. Just wanted to share this as this video reminded me what has helped me. Thank you C as ever you hit the mark. We all need this help as we have all suffered the last 4 years if we didn’t before xx
love Alice Miller