How beautifully this woman describes her spiritual experience. The "Law of Love" is the essential message that I received from her story. How do we regard the thoughts and beliefs of others, how do we respond to them? How difficult it is to remain in consciousness when interacting with earthly experiences! How can we control our negative emotions? We must hesitate before reacting, because our reaction will have an effect on others as well as on our soul's condition! What will we contribute in our earthly life and the lives of others when we remain in conscious love or remain in unforgiveness, and harmful actions? My, so much to be learned from this dear lady's witness!
Thanks for the video. Celia, ive been vegan for 21 years and am very healthy, on no meds, and am 75! I did it for the animals but am so grateful for the health benefits. Lots of great research into the health benefits have been conducted. The best is the China Study. Dr. Greger's site Nutritionfacts.org lists some good research about depression and the healing power of a plant based diet.
Power to you. I was for the animals too, and when researching what I should eat to stay alive, blow me down I discovered a world of health, including Dr G, Dr Campbell, Pam Popper, and my fav I think, Dr Klapper. I was working in the NHS at the time and still despair of the disease causing food they serve in hospitals.
My only regret, like most vegans, that I didn't become one sooner. I'm 58 and love how I can train and build some (not bulky) muscles. I'd have loved to have been a young woman and seen what I could do!
Life too short for regrets though, I'm grateful for everything.
A comparative resource to NDE research is the 1960-70s work by John A. Keel and his book The Mothman Prophecies. His niche was interviewing UFO abductees (many out-of-body) or witnesses to strange, "unexplained", visual sightings. This topic points back to questioning this whole reality construct we currently exist in. Very few see beyond the physical into the astral or non-physical realms.
We are all angel-(wo)men, with fractal powers of creation. We can literally conjure in physicality anything we want to experience, even though most people do this subconsciously and then claim the "outside" world did it. "Look at what I just saw! Geez! How can that be?"
I find it ironic that currently lots of people are focusing on building virtual realities and we currently exist in some form of simulation. A simulacrum. The number of coincidences/synchronicities/serendipities are too plainly numerous to prove that this reality construct is NOT original or sustainably organic.
Our bodies are incredible––but are they even real? Alien? We escape them at night. They certainly appear to require meat protein to stay healthy and keep immune systems strong. There's enough legitimately to buck in this system––do I want to buck my body vessel, too? It seems stupid to live in the moment for some future timeline where jettisoning this body is part of the ticket to get there? How about finding out what and how? kind of life I want to live in the first place.
Don't beat yourself up Celia. I've spent decades struggling with this issue. Finally became overcome by the bliss of letting go.
Humans have fairly long intestines, not short ones like carnivores (rotting meat shouldn't stay too long in the colon). Our teeth are designed for chewing not tearing raw flesh and breaking bones- my cats mouth is very different. Breast milk is species specific growth fluid that has a two way communication of what the baby needs and is also very important in bonding. Adult humans do not need all those growth factors in milk, I don't think they are beneficial. And eggs are eggs!
I think humans are designed to be able to eat what we choose.
Maybe some vegans are not taking B12 (made in bacteria not animals) which is non-negotiable or eating enough legumes or enough calories altogether. My depression was completely cured by being totally plant based, and I have read of many other instances where this has happened. My constipation also went and I do a hugely satisfying poo every day (elimination is as important as nutrition). Humans historically have eaten about 100 grams of fibre a day. Western diets are lucky if they get 10.
I would just say that no single diet is optimal for all humans.
There are some who do well on a vegan diet. There are many who do not.
There are others who do well on a carnivore diet.
Then there are some who do best on some type of mix of animal and plant products.
I know that the holistic psychiatrist Kelly Brogan insists that her "hopeless" patients include red meat in their diet, at least through the recovery phase. Many of her patients are vegans.
The bottom line is that we need to determine what is best for ourselves. I think that we were meant to be in robust health, physically, mentally, emotionally, and spiritually.
The media, with little evidence, like to conflate both eating disorders and bizarre eating with vegan diets. Soy products causing man boobs started with 2 guys eating virtually nothing but raw, white soy beans. Junk food is no good for you no matter where it comes from. I would like to see what the people who were almost killed by vegan diets were actually eating.
However, at least they only nearly died. Millions do die from the standard western diet all the time.
4 million people a year are killed from obesity related conditions. Plus deaths from kidney disease, bowel, breast and prostate cancer, which are very rare in plant based societies, may be added.
'Truth' in science could also be called dogma. There is no end point to the process of doing science on our experience of life and the universe. We know so little about how anything works to be sure of anything.
The truth of the wisdom of the body, the universal consciousness, the intelligence that animates cannot be proved or even described in words. But we know it, even if only in glimpses.
"Love is unconditional. If it's not unconditional, it's not love." Tom Campbell. And I think we incarnate on earth to learn that truth, which is richly complex and endless, in very difficult circumstances.
My family and I have been vegan for about 10 years, and have had no problems. I'm puzzled by this quote: “I can’t get B-12 into them”. I can get B12 into me and my family members in the normal ways.
I'm not convinced humans are obligate carnivores for a whole bunch of reasons. There may well be other explanations for the success stories reported by the Petersons. I'm aware of similar studies of people transitioning from carnivorous/omnivorous to vegan and enjoying similar results. There is much for us to learn re. diet and mental/physical health, and much to learn about the nature of reality. For me, there is nothing but God, there is only God. And that's a whole can of worms.
Celia, you might find this channel interesting: https://www.youtube.com/c/LoveCoveredLifePodcast and especially the recent three three-way Zoom conversation the channel's host had with Christian Sundberg and Arkeke (forget her surname). The conversations span about 2 hours in total.
If you are determined to return to veganism, perhaps you haven't heard of cronometer.com. I used it to get a steady sense of how to eat a balanced diet. All the amino acids, all the fatty acids and all minerals and vitamins are available in the plant kingdom. If your diet is lacking anything, which is exposed by using cronometer, you can simple search online for "plant sources of X" and adjust accordingly. That strategy has worked very well for me.
I wish you well of course but do not want you, or anyone else, to suffer unnecessarily. That said, we are here to learn to love DESPITE suffering, so it's hard to know what to say in light of that. May you learn from your suffering that suffering is the food of love. Maybe that works!
Sorry if this is garbled, I'm in a rush to get on with my day...
Beautiful video, Celia, thank you. I became vegetarian about 25 years ago after watching a documentary on the force-feeding of geese for foie gras, which led me down a rabbit hole I sometimes wish I'd never gone down. I still miss the taste and texture of meat, but in my mind it's a small sacrifice. Just because the director at that depression clinic was so adamant, doesn't mean she was right. There are plenty of healthcare professionals who would disagree with her. Please don't go into this believing you will be worse off but it's a price worth paying. Read, get yourself a good naturopath/nutritionist, find a way to make this work for you, and your physical and mental health will be better than you could have imagined. Bonus tip - my #1 ingredient that I won't go without: lentils.
Thank you for this post, Celia, a reminder of other realities.
These surely are deep and troubled waters — our longings and urges, our vulnerable bodies and minds, our participation in the living ecosystem, the active presence of evil, the souls of animals, the souls of plants, our own souls, the soul of the world…
I am aware that my own perspectives are profoundly informed by my childhood NDEs and my then subsequent decades of organic farming grounded in an engagement in the living and dying of plants and animals, wild and domestic.
In recent years I have found the work of philosopher-anthropologist Rene Girard, the academic thinker who “makes peace cool again,” helpful in developing my thinking and feelings. Indeed, I have found peace in the contemplation of his much discussed ideas. He posits that human practices of assigning the role of scapegoat and then sacrificing that individual “for the benefit of the group” is primal, deeply ancestral. He then offers hope for a way out of this ancient cycle as he elaborates his concept of mimesis.
I share this here in the hope that you, Celia, and your thoughtful online community may find Girard’s ideas of interest, of value, and can perhaps take them further, especially as to our complex, interactive relationships with non-human beings. (I commonly find that thinkers who impress me so with the depth of their insights then disappoint me with their naïveté when it comes to animals.) I have found much Girard inspired discussion on turning the scapegoater away from the path of sacrificing the other, but not so much on the scapegoat’s own experience and position in that interlocking dynamic. But, all around me, all the time now, I see the push and pull of sacrifice. I watch and wonder.
P.S. Gratitude and glory to Lewis. The story told, the practical experiences shared, have given new life and purpose to more than one animal being in my life.
How beautifully this woman describes her spiritual experience. The "Law of Love" is the essential message that I received from her story. How do we regard the thoughts and beliefs of others, how do we respond to them? How difficult it is to remain in consciousness when interacting with earthly experiences! How can we control our negative emotions? We must hesitate before reacting, because our reaction will have an effect on others as well as on our soul's condition! What will we contribute in our earthly life and the lives of others when we remain in conscious love or remain in unforgiveness, and harmful actions? My, so much to be learned from this dear lady's witness!
Thanks for the video. Celia, ive been vegan for 21 years and am very healthy, on no meds, and am 75! I did it for the animals but am so grateful for the health benefits. Lots of great research into the health benefits have been conducted. The best is the China Study. Dr. Greger's site Nutritionfacts.org lists some good research about depression and the healing power of a plant based diet.
Hi Peggy,
Power to you. I was for the animals too, and when researching what I should eat to stay alive, blow me down I discovered a world of health, including Dr G, Dr Campbell, Pam Popper, and my fav I think, Dr Klapper. I was working in the NHS at the time and still despair of the disease causing food they serve in hospitals.
Plant based Health Professionals are doing great things in the UK with great updates on the literature https://plantbasedhealthprofessionals.com
My only regret, like most vegans, that I didn't become one sooner. I'm 58 and love how I can train and build some (not bulky) muscles. I'd have loved to have been a young woman and seen what I could do!
Life too short for regrets though, I'm grateful for everything.
We are all connected on this planet we call earth, we are not separate- I've tried to express how we treat each other and other animals deeply affects everything to do with us and our health https://georgiedonny.substack.com/p/a-tiny-water-flea-has-31000-genes
Jo
Hi Celia,
Just one reader hoping you find your way back to meat ASAP.
Meat is real. Meat is human. We stray from this at our great peril.
Above all, hoping that whatever you do works out for the best.
Jack
A comparative resource to NDE research is the 1960-70s work by John A. Keel and his book The Mothman Prophecies. His niche was interviewing UFO abductees (many out-of-body) or witnesses to strange, "unexplained", visual sightings. This topic points back to questioning this whole reality construct we currently exist in. Very few see beyond the physical into the astral or non-physical realms.
We are all angel-(wo)men, with fractal powers of creation. We can literally conjure in physicality anything we want to experience, even though most people do this subconsciously and then claim the "outside" world did it. "Look at what I just saw! Geez! How can that be?"
I find it ironic that currently lots of people are focusing on building virtual realities and we currently exist in some form of simulation. A simulacrum. The number of coincidences/synchronicities/serendipities are too plainly numerous to prove that this reality construct is NOT original or sustainably organic.
Our bodies are incredible––but are they even real? Alien? We escape them at night. They certainly appear to require meat protein to stay healthy and keep immune systems strong. There's enough legitimately to buck in this system––do I want to buck my body vessel, too? It seems stupid to live in the moment for some future timeline where jettisoning this body is part of the ticket to get there? How about finding out what and how? kind of life I want to live in the first place.
Don't beat yourself up Celia. I've spent decades struggling with this issue. Finally became overcome by the bliss of letting go.
I've been vegan for 8 years, for love.
Humans have fairly long intestines, not short ones like carnivores (rotting meat shouldn't stay too long in the colon). Our teeth are designed for chewing not tearing raw flesh and breaking bones- my cats mouth is very different. Breast milk is species specific growth fluid that has a two way communication of what the baby needs and is also very important in bonding. Adult humans do not need all those growth factors in milk, I don't think they are beneficial. And eggs are eggs!
I think humans are designed to be able to eat what we choose.
Maybe some vegans are not taking B12 (made in bacteria not animals) which is non-negotiable or eating enough legumes or enough calories altogether. My depression was completely cured by being totally plant based, and I have read of many other instances where this has happened. My constipation also went and I do a hugely satisfying poo every day (elimination is as important as nutrition). Humans historically have eaten about 100 grams of fibre a day. Western diets are lucky if they get 10.
Jo
x
Hello,
I've written a short piece on this- I think I'm basically saying- follow the money- and your heart x
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https://georgiedonny.substack.com/p/whats-the-best-diet
Jo
I would just say that no single diet is optimal for all humans.
There are some who do well on a vegan diet. There are many who do not.
There are others who do well on a carnivore diet.
Then there are some who do best on some type of mix of animal and plant products.
I know that the holistic psychiatrist Kelly Brogan insists that her "hopeless" patients include red meat in their diet, at least through the recovery phase. Many of her patients are vegans.
The bottom line is that we need to determine what is best for ourselves. I think that we were meant to be in robust health, physically, mentally, emotionally, and spiritually.
Hiya,
The media, with little evidence, like to conflate both eating disorders and bizarre eating with vegan diets. Soy products causing man boobs started with 2 guys eating virtually nothing but raw, white soy beans. Junk food is no good for you no matter where it comes from. I would like to see what the people who were almost killed by vegan diets were actually eating.
However, at least they only nearly died. Millions do die from the standard western diet all the time.
4 million people a year are killed from obesity related conditions. Plus deaths from kidney disease, bowel, breast and prostate cancer, which are very rare in plant based societies, may be added.
'Truth' in science could also be called dogma. There is no end point to the process of doing science on our experience of life and the universe. We know so little about how anything works to be sure of anything.
The truth of the wisdom of the body, the universal consciousness, the intelligence that animates cannot be proved or even described in words. But we know it, even if only in glimpses.
Jo
"Love is unconditional. If it's not unconditional, it's not love." Tom Campbell. And I think we incarnate on earth to learn that truth, which is richly complex and endless, in very difficult circumstances.
My family and I have been vegan for about 10 years, and have had no problems. I'm puzzled by this quote: “I can’t get B-12 into them”. I can get B12 into me and my family members in the normal ways.
I'm not convinced humans are obligate carnivores for a whole bunch of reasons. There may well be other explanations for the success stories reported by the Petersons. I'm aware of similar studies of people transitioning from carnivorous/omnivorous to vegan and enjoying similar results. There is much for us to learn re. diet and mental/physical health, and much to learn about the nature of reality. For me, there is nothing but God, there is only God. And that's a whole can of worms.
Celia, you might find this channel interesting: https://www.youtube.com/c/LoveCoveredLifePodcast and especially the recent three three-way Zoom conversation the channel's host had with Christian Sundberg and Arkeke (forget her surname). The conversations span about 2 hours in total.
If you are determined to return to veganism, perhaps you haven't heard of cronometer.com. I used it to get a steady sense of how to eat a balanced diet. All the amino acids, all the fatty acids and all minerals and vitamins are available in the plant kingdom. If your diet is lacking anything, which is exposed by using cronometer, you can simple search online for "plant sources of X" and adjust accordingly. That strategy has worked very well for me.
I wish you well of course but do not want you, or anyone else, to suffer unnecessarily. That said, we are here to learn to love DESPITE suffering, so it's hard to know what to say in light of that. May you learn from your suffering that suffering is the food of love. Maybe that works!
Sorry if this is garbled, I'm in a rush to get on with my day...
Beautiful video, Celia, thank you. I became vegetarian about 25 years ago after watching a documentary on the force-feeding of geese for foie gras, which led me down a rabbit hole I sometimes wish I'd never gone down. I still miss the taste and texture of meat, but in my mind it's a small sacrifice. Just because the director at that depression clinic was so adamant, doesn't mean she was right. There are plenty of healthcare professionals who would disagree with her. Please don't go into this believing you will be worse off but it's a price worth paying. Read, get yourself a good naturopath/nutritionist, find a way to make this work for you, and your physical and mental health will be better than you could have imagined. Bonus tip - my #1 ingredient that I won't go without: lentils.
Thank you for this post, Celia, a reminder of other realities.
These surely are deep and troubled waters — our longings and urges, our vulnerable bodies and minds, our participation in the living ecosystem, the active presence of evil, the souls of animals, the souls of plants, our own souls, the soul of the world…
I am aware that my own perspectives are profoundly informed by my childhood NDEs and my then subsequent decades of organic farming grounded in an engagement in the living and dying of plants and animals, wild and domestic.
In recent years I have found the work of philosopher-anthropologist Rene Girard, the academic thinker who “makes peace cool again,” helpful in developing my thinking and feelings. Indeed, I have found peace in the contemplation of his much discussed ideas. He posits that human practices of assigning the role of scapegoat and then sacrificing that individual “for the benefit of the group” is primal, deeply ancestral. He then offers hope for a way out of this ancient cycle as he elaborates his concept of mimesis.
I share this here in the hope that you, Celia, and your thoughtful online community may find Girard’s ideas of interest, of value, and can perhaps take them further, especially as to our complex, interactive relationships with non-human beings. (I commonly find that thinkers who impress me so with the depth of their insights then disappoint me with their naïveté when it comes to animals.) I have found much Girard inspired discussion on turning the scapegoater away from the path of sacrificing the other, but not so much on the scapegoat’s own experience and position in that interlocking dynamic. But, all around me, all the time now, I see the push and pull of sacrifice. I watch and wonder.
P.S. Gratitude and glory to Lewis. The story told, the practical experiences shared, have given new life and purpose to more than one animal being in my life.