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I'm writing this comment just to share this story, because it really frustrates me and I just want to tell someone...so, please, if you don't want to read it is OK.

I was subscribed to Josh Slocum at disaffectedpod.substack.com.

His most recent post mentioned "hundreds of thousands" of "pro-Hamas" supporters that were rallying this weekend. I commented:

"Please don't conflate sympathy for Palestinians with being "pro-Hamas". Most of those hundreds of thousands aren't Hamas supporters, they want justice for the (normal) people of Palestine, and are against the ethnic cleansing and potential genocide we are seeing right now in Gaza. Waving a Palestinian flag is not antisemitic or "pro-Hamas"."

His reply:

How do you know that?

Why were people doing this "free palestine" immediately (IMMEDIATELY THAT DAY) on learning about the rapes and murders by Hamas?

What "potential genocide?"

Be specific. Make sure of that.

My reply: (this actually wasn't my whole comment...don't know where the rest is, it got eaten?)

Likewise, how do you know they do support Hamas?

Some of them probably do; the vast majority are expressing their human horror at seeing the systematic opression of an entire group of people.

Palestinians have been oppressed for the last 75 years. There is a whole history. History didn't begin on October 7. People have been saying "Free Palestine" for at least 50 years. The Hamas attacks were a reminder of this oppression, a reminder that there is an ongoing military occupation of a whole people. Therefore, you are wrong to say people were "doing this "free palestine" immediately". That is wrong, people have been saying that for a long time.

Already 1 million Palestinians have been displaced. That is ethnic cleansing.

When Israel cuts off all fuel, water, electricity, food to the Gaza Strip, that is potential genocide. When you cut off everything people need to live and leave them with no options, you are endangering the lives of every single one of those people. If they all die of starvation, it will be Israel's fault. That would be genocide. Since Israel is withholding all of those things, preventing them from getting in, that is potential genocide.

When you indiscrimantely bomb hospitals, refugee camps, ambulances, whole neighborhoods where you know there are many women and children, you are saying that those humans lives don't matter. That is the road to genocide.

Right now, 10,000 Palestinian civilians have been killed by Israel in the last month, almost 10x the number killed on October 7. Where is your concern for them?

There are multiple politicans, including US Rep. Mast, who have said there are "no innocent civilians in Gaza". That is a prelude to genocide.

He banned me for this comment (24 hours) saying this (two replys):

Nope. I'm not going to do this with you. You may not gloss over the indiscriminate rape and murder of civilians as if you had answered that part. No, sir.

Try someone else. Understand this: you will not get this by me. I'm not like the other people you are used to speaking with. I won't tolerate the maneuvering that you have become used to from other people.

You moral monster.

Yes. I did put you on a timeout from commenting for 24 hours. Why? Oh, I know what you're telling other people. "He can't handle debate, he's a fraud!"

Nope. I want you to have to sit there and not be able to gabble on with your moral equivocation. Enjoy.

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*big sigh* what can I say? part of my comment that isn't there was about how I am against all war, dehumanization, and genocide.

also, I love how he doesn't have anything to say about Israel bombing women, children, hospitals, refugee camps. Apparently pointing this out is "moral equivocation".

"You may not gloss over the indiscriminate rape and murder of civilians as if you had answered that part."

he says, which is exactly what he did when he banned me, refusing to recognize that Israel is massacring civilians right this moment.

In the past I had thought he was a bit reasonable, which is why I engaged with him...but I know this is a madness that so many of us have fallen into...it is really discouraging, isn't it?

I did unsubscribe from him. I like to hear differing opinions, but what I can't stand is the negativity, just the constant blast of self-righteous negativity.

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It's stranger than any precious mind attack, and that's saying a lot. "You moral monster?" He really needs Marshall Rosenberg. I'm sorry you had to go through this and happy you unsubscribed. All abuse is abuse.

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He may need Rosenberg/NVC but don't hold your breath. One cannot argue with a demon - and that's what these people often are, demons. There is no person there. I've been thinking about it interms of "wetiko", as if it is some emergent biological property of humans. Which, like psychopaths, would suggest some "useful" aspect - even if we don't see it. What scares me more is that a little voice tells me maybe there is some agent dosed out by the CIa and the likes on the population. If not a mind control virus, at least a mind fuck virus. I'm 69 years old and don't recall any time when there were so many people lost their marbles - not even close. Whole swaths of society aren't even society any more.

At the battle of Kurukshetra, Arjuna had to wipe out the better part of humanity to restore the social order. And there were the witch burnings, so maybe there is precedent.

One cannot talk with these demons. (Solzhenitsyn wrote the same thing, btw.) One cannot hold space for them. But many of my friends still try to do that, to maintain relationships in the community they say. I point out that one cannot have any sort of a positive relationship with these demons and that it seems - to me - unwise to accomodate them. I've done a lot of walking away in the last few years, even moving to rural Maine - people grounded in the soil don't seem to suffer this wetiko.

I don't feel like one can walk away forever. Now that I think of it, that was what Arjuna wanted to do, to go into the forest. His friend Krishna reminded Arjuna of his duties, as a Kshatriya, soldier and ruler, to fight.

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I hear you and I understand why you feel this way.

I'm 34, so I don't have the same experience as you do.

For myself, at this precise moment, I just have to have hope that it is possible for us to heal from all of this. I actually believe that all of this coming forward so that we can see it and heal it.

Which doesn't mean that we need to hold space for everybody. Definitely, it isn't our job to heal everybody, or even anybody, and sometimes walking away so we aren't barraged by negativity and hate is definitely the right thing to do.

I just started reading the abridged version of The Gulag Archipelago...interested to hear more of his opinion on this topic.

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Yes, shining a light on the darkness ends the darkness. It's unpleasant; but it has to be done.

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Kudos to you Josh for your humanitarian philosophies. You are the age of my son, and I am amazed by the breadth of your wisdom.

My belief is that this is a war triggered by the “family of the dark” who controls this world at the moment.

The war was fostered For many reasons, none of which benefit humanity. No long term benefit to Palestinians or Israelites.

I was shocked to hear one of my distant relatives speak almost verbatim some of the terms Celia listed above: “Nobody wants them...” Oracle is right, it is vomit spewing from a demon’s mouth.

I told her to step way back and extricate herself from the trap in which she had become ensnared.

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Josh challenged Josh...and vice versa. What outcome to expect.?Just to take to the streets is engaging in the conflict...

Wetiko has myriad forms of infestation....including the 'zone-out' one, the inability to feel, have the gumption, to care beyond oneself, to have reflex quest to at least try to determine what is transpiring under our noses, in our faces.

What of NPC's? Jean here gives good direct exposition of these....(it isnt coming up...but I am listening to him with Frank Jacobs talking of hippocampus atrophy which would fit in with your 'mind fuck virus' (but not virus...do any exist?)...and the effect of zombiefication. Anyway here it is.... https://www.theinspiredchannel.com/

How to 'be', how to relate with someone without a soul (NPC)? Or someone with stunted hippocampus function...meaning they are not processing day to day info in the absence of cell renewal in hippocampus

In general I agree, "I dont think we can walk away for ever"... I posted a link by John (of Tanzania project) in my comment made earlier... he has a much different concept of fight than you seem to advocate via Krishna. If we are dealing with demons fomenting a war of all worlds, their currency is an 'anything goes' in the way of traumatising and murderous intent, so to oppose with such is but us summoning the demons to be activated in us to do battle with those demons fuelling those we erroneously view as enemy humans! (but if NPC's?)

We have to show up in someway which is not inflammatory, and has to be taking a middle line, no sides. I suppose it is but appealing to the essence of fellow humans. (call me an optimist!) Trying to get through to the loving deeper level which is getting obliterated or veiled by collaboration of ego/demon, identity, programmed beliefs, unresolved traumas, powerlessness, and oh so easy reactive mode kicking off with lower emotions

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Took some abuse and vitriol defending you yesterday from a TIG group member called Knoll.

Knowing your dedication to the AIDS hoax as well as that of David Rasnick and Crowe.

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Thank you.

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It’s so often left out of the conversation that there hasn’t been an election in 17 years in Palestine, and that Hamas was developed by the CIA and Mossad to prevent Arafat’s success. With considering Project Paperclip, it seems we have nazis all the way up and down.

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Yes, Israel/Mossad created Hamas, which is explained well at the link below. It also goes over some of the terrorist groups from the cold war, including the Irish IRA and Palestinian "Black September," which were also controlled by the intelligence agencies:

https://swprs.org/why-israel-created-hamas/

“Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas.” – Benjamin Netanyahu (2019)

“In the visible dimension Hamas is an enemy, in the hidden dimension it is an ally.”

– IDF Major General Gershon Hacohen (2021)

“Israel started Hamas. It was a project of Shin Bet.”

– Charles Freeman, US diplomat and ambassador (2006)

"In conclusion, most of the history of modern terrorism, not just since 2001, but really since World War II, has been a deception manufactured by Western and Israeli intelligence services."

IMO, the enemies of humanity are the central banking cartel, the captured governments and the intelligence agencies--they stage false flags to create wars and deliberately keep nations and people divided so they can kick off wars as needed.

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Yes. Exactly. Hamas is to Mossad what ISIS is to CIA/MI6. The war machine is waxing fat on the murder of civilians. Same as it always was...

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Yes, and who were the NAZIs, really? What was their purpose, really? Were they, as Henry Makow claims, the greatest hoax in history? Did the same people who created Hamas, Al-Qaeda, ISIS, etc, also create the NAZIs?

https://www.henrymakow.com/2020/01/were-nazis-greatest-hoax.html

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Interesting info. I'm actually fascinated by revisionist history. The second article had an interesting theory about Kristallnacht, which could be possible (the secret societies/Freemasons are minions for the banking cartel). Years ago Brother Nathanael Kapner (Jewish convert to Christianity) had an interesting post about Kristallnacht. I think the theory was that it happened because there were attempts to make peace, but the international bankers wanted a world war were and were not about to let peace break out. There's even a book by Ingrid Weckert on Kristallnacht, where she makes the case it was a false flag of sorts (I think her theory cost her her doctoral degree).

As for the first article posted with the research of Miles Mathis, it's all very interesting and hard to wrap your head around. Anything is possible--it feels like there's so much deception and everything feels so orchestrated. The international bankers seem to have much control. Look at this from WW1- do you think this was a coincidence: https://news.sky.com/story/a-ii-ii-18-franz-ferdinands-prophetic-number-plate-11551176

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Yes, you only have to look at what we are being told about the war in Ukraine to realize that what they tell us is not true and probably never has been. With regard to the number plate, it is clear that numbers and symbols as well as words play an important part in their magic/spells and rituals; so it probably is not a coincidence at all.

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Yes, I don't think it's a coincidence either--they leave their calling card with their special numbers all over the place. But for me, that license plate number is a demonstration of how much control they (banking cartel) had back then, so I can only assume they have even more control now. And from what we saw with covid, it sure as hell looks like just about all national governments are captured and are puppets of the banking cartel.

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I think one measure of their position right now is that they seem to be tying up all the loose ends on their ancient project to take over the earth

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Sort of reminds you of the intensity of the covidians when trying to reason with them about what was happening. The saddest part of all this, over the past few years, is the rapidity with which people respond reflexively to nearly anything they're told to respond to, and they respond is precisely the way they're told to respond, without any independent thought or reflection. I'll go to my grave amazed at the sheepleness of the human population.

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It would seem to me that social media grooming has entrained the brain to react instantly to the conveyor belt of endless "news" and information. People respond with "authority" as if they "know" what the truth is when it is clear they are abSOULutely desperate to prove to themselves that they know what they couldn't possibly know to be true. Convid gutted me as I watched people drop to their knees in obedience and lash out at those unwilling to let the conquering army inside their body. And now? It's even worse... Those that claim to follow Christ blind themselves willingly in obedience to the theology experts (again, experts paralyze people from the neck up) and prop up murder... of children. The irony... the hypocrisy... The grief is overwhelming. Walking away from organized religion was the best thing I ever did. Breaching the electric fence of that space has allowed me to grow spiritually in ways I could not fathom before. It is a walk that must be done carefully but it is necessary in order break the spells of this world and its rotten constructs.

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Our own spiritual growth is mostly a solitary journey, and I think Yeshua would approve of walking away from our own versions of Pharisees. I have recently been reading stories of Yeshua in India and Tibet, and I want to read lots more of it.

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Any criticism of Israel, no matter the accuracy or how well deserved, is automatically met with the anti-semitism label, which is kryptonite for public figures, or those who engage them. I remember an incident from a few years ago, where an IDF soldier in uniform was standing above a Palestinian man who was severely wounded, and shot him point blank in the head. The video made the rounds, there were calls for prosecution, and Israelis on the street were asked about trying the IDF member for murder. The shrieking, screaming and vitriol were completely over the top. I have taken note of this sort of extreme self-righteous indignation in many instances since then. It appears to be cultural. It is a universal knee-jerk reaction. It certainly appears that the only lives they value are Jewish, and nobody else matters whatever.

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I guess when you're chosen, everyone else isn't...

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Everyday I look at cnn.com and foxnews.com just to see what they say, though I rarely actually read any stories.

Almost every time there is a picture on foxnews.com with a Palestinian flag, the word "antisemitism" or "antisemitic" appears under it. They are really going full in on anything "pro-Palestine" being antisemitic. It just drives me nuts how blatant it is, and of course how most people from don't even notice and just accept it.

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"It certainly appears that the only lives they value are Jewish, and nobody else matters whatever."

Yes, that's what it seems like to me.

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A compendium of quotes from the Talmud (from Tereza Coraggio's Substack, "Third Paradigm: https://thirdparadigm.substack.com/p/talmud-tricks-and-torah-curses):

—Sanhedrin verse 59a – “Murdering Goyim is like killing a wild animal.”

—Abodah Zara verse 26b – “Even the best of the Gentiles should be killed.”

—Schabouth Hag. verse 6d – “Jews may swear falsely by use of subterfuge wording.”

—Hilkkoth Akum X1 – “Do not save Goyim in danger of death.”

—Hilkkoth Akum X1 – “Show no mercy to the Goyim.”

—Choschen Hamm chapter 388, verse15 – “If it can be proven that someone has given the money of Israelites to the Goyim, a way must be found after prudent consideration to wipe him off the face of the earth.”

—Szaaloth-Utszabot, The Book of Jore Dia verse 17 – “A Jew should and must

make a false oath when the Goyim asks if our books contain anything against them.”

—Baba Necia chapter 114, verse 6 – “The Jews are human beings, but the nations of

the world are not human beings but beasts.”

—Simeon Haddarsen, folio 56-D – “When the Messiah comes every Jew will have 2800 slaves.”

—Nidrasch Talpioth, page. 225-L – “Jehovah created the non-Jew in human

form so that the Jew would not have to be served by beasts. The non-Jew is consequently an animal in human form, and condemned to serve the Jew day and night.”

—Aboda Sarah 37a – “A Gentile girl who is three years old can be violated.”

—Tosefta. Aboda Zara B, 5 – “If a goy kills a goy or a Jew, he is responsible; but if a Jew kills a goy, he is not responsible.”

—Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 388 – “It is permitted to kill a Jewish denunciator everywhere. It is permitted to kill him even before he denounces.”

—Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 348 – “All property of other nations belongs to the Jewish nation, which, consequently, is entitled to seize upon it without any scruples.”

—Tosefta, Abda Zara VIII, 5 – “How to interpret the word ‘robbery.’ A goy is forbidden to steal, rob, or take women slaves, etc., from a goy or from a Jew. But a Jew is not forbidden to do all this to a goy.”

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Thanks. I still have to get back to Tereza's substack- she's been doing some great posts. Yes, I've heard of some of this before. There's a book online Come And Hear by Elizabeth Dilling that goes over the Talmud. I think there's even something in there about "the property of the gentile is like unclaimed land in the desert." It's totally crazy what's in there. I think these rabbis are part of the problem. Adam Green of KnowMoreNews has been playing video clips of rabbis, and it seems like the psychopaths ruling over us are trying to make various prophesies play out with how they are setting humanity up for WW3.

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Yes, and of course - as someone else pointed out - not all Jews follow The Talmud (just as not all Jews are Zionists). The problem, however, is that some do.

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There are a minority of Jews that do not accept the Talmud, but only the scriptures, the books of Moses and the prophets.

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Yes, and not all Jews are Zionists either. And some Christians and Moslems are really Sabbateans. The nuances, distractions, mis-directions and deceptions are brain-hurtingly complicated.

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your comment seems so itself

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I hear you too. Your voice sounds very steady and clear to me. Your voice coming from a place of balance.

Being banned or blocked can be very triggering as well, it is for me.

Many are really amped up right now. It's as if all the ugliness from generations of trauma is boiling forward. And being used to divide us.

I've tried holding space for some, these past four years but don't think I want to anymore.

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Yes, I get amped up myself and have to really work to not lash out in anger. For that reason he actually did me a service in banning me for 24 hours, so I couldn't just write the first nasty things that popped into my head, which don't actually reflect my true motivations.

I believe that you are precisely right that all the ugliness from generations of trauma is boiling forward. I feel that in myself, and I think my own self is the primary point where healing should happen. It is coming forward so that it can be healed. So I have to have hope in general, even if there are definitely situations to walk away from.

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Thanks Josh, I think we all have to do work not to lash out. I always have to. It's hard not to lash out when someone is crossing your boundaries.

I often fail when really pushed.

I find when I do though it clouds what's happening.

It's damn hard being human, always.

Thanks for responding.

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Stand in the gap Elizabeth, it is needed now more than ever.

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Thanks aj ❤️

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One more question I would ask him Josh: what proof do you have of all these alleged rapes? I keep reading that phrase and can only wonder who was doing the raping? All these attackers who we’re supposedly shooting everything that moved? They also had elections and thus took the time to drop trou and de-flower all the women that they were supposedly shooting?

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I'm pretty sure that the initial story of rapes was retracted by the LA Times. But what seems to have happened is that after the initial atrocity propaganda stories were proven false, the Israeli govt just concocted more of them. After the 40 beheaded babies story was retracted, then we got the baby in the oven story, which was later proven false. Also, I was listening to a Scott Ritter interview, and he went over some of the atrocity propaganda from WW1 and it was basically the same kind of stories. What's sort of interesting to me is that it seems like Israelis immediately believe whatever their govt says. I think here in the US, there are at least some of us who don't believe anything from the US govt or the corporate media.

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there were no reports of rape; there are eye-witness reports / testimony from Israeli survivors of what happened on October 7, that multiple murders were committed by IDF,

including by firing from [US manufactured and supplied] Apache [sic] helicopters, on those in vehicles trying to escape the violence ( agains much o it perpetrated by IDF interspersed among the disoriented attendees of the "rave" -- perhaps mistakenly thought to be

Hamas raiders ? -- all that happened then cries not for vengeance but for an independent and thorough investigation )

it is not heartless to say, that there is an internationally recognized right for a people kept under occupation, to armed resistance; there is NO internationally recognized right for an occupying force to self-defense.

it is important to bear in mind that collective punishment is a crime against humanity, and that Israel, with collusion and support of the UK and the US, has been for c. 75 years serially guilty of collective punishment of Palestinians, for being Palestinians

( the collective punishment, including murders of children, continues now as well as in Gaza, in the West Bank conducted by those who have illegally occupied Palestinians homes, land, and water )

I do not mean this as, and hope it is not consdered, a blast of negativity.

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Its upsetting that some people support the Israeli government unconditionally despite such atrocities being committed now in Gaza. You can be potentially labelled as an antisemite if you criticize this government but It looks like this labeling is a well trained “mind-controlled” response or maybe a so called pavlovian conditioning.

We live in very weird times in which you might get criticized if you criticize atrocities. Thank you for pointing them out, maybe it has shaken some peoples consciences after reading your comment.

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After the Zionists have exterminated the Palestinians and cleared the bodies and rubble, they will build Atlantic City Gaza on the coast and busy themselves with picking tourist's pockets.

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Can't we say "Masons?"

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Why would we need to?

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Because "Zionism" is only part of it. Many global monsters not Jewish. Fauci, Gates, Collins, Gallo, and so forth. Zionism is an impossibly loaded word. Many may be Zionists but surely all are Masons. Not sure.

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Fauci's mother is Jewish and father Italian, Gallo is definitely an Italian Jewish surname. But don't let English, Irish and Scottish surnames obfuscate the fact many bearers are Jews. Look up the Declaration of Arbroath if unfamiliar with it. Some Masons are not Jews, but many Jews are Masons. Little known factoid: everyone in the OSS, forerunner of the CIA, was a Mason. The Jesuit order was started by Spanish crypto-Jews, and may have continued that tradition. Zionism was intended as one vehicle for world domination, much as Masons were a tool in that effort. Communism was hoped to result in the 'World Revolution'. Zionism is responsible for the greater Israel plan 'from the Nile to the Euphrates'.

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From what I am understanding there needs to be a clear distinction between Zionist and Jewish. They are not one and the same.

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They are when they are, just as conservatives are sometimes also fascists.

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Yes of course.

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Any Zionists that claim to be Masons are jackmasons, at best, or worst.

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Zionism perhaps is even more old and extended as ideology than Masonery, and the globalist kabal is basically zionist ( look at Frances Leader work about Zionism is Nimrodism)...

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I think you'll find that writers like Miles Mathis and others make the case that they are all in fact Jewish, even though they pretend not to be. Name Stealers, people pretending for nefarious purposes to be something other than they are. It's an ancient practice and seems to be very much alive today. It creates fog and confusion. The Sabbateans are notorious for it:

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/25560446-1666-redemption-through-sin

http://mileswmathis.com/gates.pdf

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On the name-stealing/changing, earlier tonight I started to listen to Myron Fagan's 1967 CFR Illuminati speech (warning about the one world govt plot) and he talked about how the Dillon who was a Secretary of Treasury was actually Lapowsky. I stopped there and decided to listen when I had more time to pay attention. I've heard some say they change the names so it's not as obvious that they have so much power and control (I saw on twitter the other day, a Zionist Jewish woman kind of threatening Lucas Gage, saying you don't know how much power and control we have over this country--so she was quite proud of it, but if a non-jew said that then he/she would be called an antisemite).

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Masons are better known for dressing up as clowns and riding too small motorcycles in parades than they are as global monsters.

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Don't fall for false complexity!

The original Zionist message is clear and direct.

Apply everything that has happened since the Balfour Declaration and the message doesn't waver

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And with harvesting and selling the natural gas located just off the Gaza shore. It's all about money and resources; it always is.

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Much of the natural gas is under Gaza, where it is easier to mine than underwater.

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9 min video by Richard Medhurst posted here speaks to that:

https://newsparadigm.substack.com/p/the-hidden-reason-why-zionists-want

Plus, the global debt-based fiat ponzi scheme is headed for collapse--the only thing that keeps it up is war spending. See Greg Mannarino substack. At some point, the system will reach maximum saturation and it will collapse. Humanity is being set up for disaster.

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1 million 100 thousand blades of grass are children-in Gaza-- the blades that need to be 'mown' -mow the lawn- noone can say it like him

he lays out the history here we all need to know and remember!

wow- finkelstein nails it and Bernie Sanders the total traitor- https://normanfinkelstein.substack.com/p/a-response-to-senator-bernie-sanders?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email#media-978624ef-4081-483b-90bb-484fcd63ed82

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Agree with your take on Finkelstein and Sanders!

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Meh, what they are actually building is Kissinger's Ben Gurion Canal, which will create a new route for global energy and trade, and the East Mediterranean Pipeline. Aren't all wars ultimately about resources, money and the bankers salivating about the associated profits?

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What you quoted is the evidence of intent to commit genocide under the relevant statutes. Here's additional language for any who may doubt that genocide is occurring and the US is aiding and abetting it.

According to the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide,[4] genocide includes various acts “committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group” as such, including:

(a) Killing members of the group;

(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;

(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; and

(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group.[5]

This definition is reflected in Article 6 of the Statute of the International Criminal Court (ICC), which has jurisdiction over crimes occurring on the territory of the State of Palestine since June 13, 2014.[6]

The Genocide Convention was written in the aftermath of World War II and the horrors of the Holocaust, especially to deter and prevent such horrors in the future and, failing that, to punish those responsible.

The Convention thus provided a legal framework that clearly identifies the essence of the crime of genocide, regardless of the political, social, or cultural permutations in which the crime may be attempted or carried out and regardless of the specific qualities, stage, or scale of the genocidal process.

The Holocaust set the terms by which a form of general or pervasive violence against a group might be legitimately termed “genocide” as a general sociological concept, as it need not “imply a comparison to any other specific case.

There need be no comparisions

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for d- I've heard that some IDF deliberately shoot pregnant Palestinian women in the stomach and they even have a shirt celebrating it (like 2 for one, something like that). And I heard from Max Igan and Abby Martin that the IDF deliberately shoot Palestinians in the genitals.

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I just love you Celia. You feel things deeply. I do also and it can be overwhelming sometimes. I try to place my sufferings at the foot of the cross. Our Lord must be so brokenhearted with us right now. And you are so right about child sacrifice. Killing babies (which we are so very good at in the US) and the precious children being sacrificed in this war is no different. Some are tiny and some are bigger but nobody should have to suffer this. Hugs to you and praying strength for you. ❤️

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I'd like to end the world's exploitation by the Globalists. They think if they can get rid of all but 500,000,000 people, they will never have to worry again. I hope they will eventually be the hunted by all countries in pursuit of them.

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I wish we could hunt these people down, but how can we when we don't even know their names. I think the banking families out of the City of London have become trillionaires from their debt-based fiat money scam. Most don't even know their names.

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Or think it's all a right-wing conspiracy. At least we know the names of the Rockefellers, Rothschilds, Kissinger (the only one elected to Nixon's cabinet), Gates, Fauci, and a few more as well as the Fed from each country.

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True. And millions upon millions of people work within the operative systems. >>> Military/Industrial operatives >>> Airbus Space & Defense, BAE Systems, The Boeing Company, General Dynamics Corporation, Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, Raytheon Technologies Corporation, and other less significant operations throughout the world.

Who is the enemy?

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Yes. I only scanned the introduction pages, but would have to agree with the concept. The psyop ranges back to the fable of Cain and Able. Erm... Canaanite versus? Here's what Cicero had to say: >>> “A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and he carries his banners openly. But the traitor moves among those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the galleys, heard in the very hall of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor – he speaks in the accents familiar to his victims, and wears their face and their garment, and he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation – he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of a city – he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to be feared.”

- Cicero, 42 B.C.

We know what elements he was describing. Thanks for posting.

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We have a choice to make. I think Dr. Shiva explains it eloquently and succinctly, https://youtu.be/kTfA-qPjvVw?si=XFXhMW8VqCNuWGZL

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Yes, and what timing. I just had a conversation with a gentleman employed in one of the armed "services"... I will not disclose which branch.

He was boasting that his current salary exceeded $20,000 per month. Some may think this is a modest amount. Are they paying any attention to the fact that hundreds of millions of persons don't make that amount in a years time? Nooooo... They seem to believe it's perfectly "normal"...

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Too few people understand money and banking, and even fewer understand the history of central banking and how deadly it can be to resist the power of central bankers. "All wars are bankers' wars." That slogan is more true than people understand. Sadly, because of the amount of power and wealth they have accumulated, and the dire consequences to those who do not toe the line, it appears that humanity will never escape from them, until there are no humans left.

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I don't quite "understand it" but I can feel it. My friend Richard Kotlarz (who I linked to) patiently explained it over 15 years. While I tried to explain to him that "viruses" were themselves an offshoot of the debt based monetary system. We both almost understood the other, or understood as best we could. We knew we were describing one beast, not two.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyV0OfU3-FU&list=PLE88E9ICdiphYjJkeeLL2O09eJoC8r7Dc. in 10 episodes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOk3wBuQNcE. warning, runs 3.5 hrs.. OR

the secret of oz. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rmc8GDlyAQg. only 2 hrs

type history of money into youtube, and also see the books and videos by Michael Hudson. It is important to get up to speed on this asap, because they have deliberately created worldwide chaos as the cover for changing the monetary system again. This affects everyone.

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"Understand" might have been a bit strong; I think the intricacies of the monetary system have been deliberately obscured to keep us from seeing what the system, and these who operate it, are doing to our wealth. Thanks for the link, also.

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Shiva4president.com The only anti-Zionist running for President.

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And because he is an anti-Zionist, he will never be allowed to win.

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you're not kidding.

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Allowed? So at this point only Zionists will be "allowed" to win.

That's pathetic if you ask me.

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It is,, but that is the lay of the land. All political candidates,, if they are allowed to either run or win, must pass muster with the cabal. And, from what I'm seeing, the cabal is now pushing the pro-israel line as a litmus test for basically anyone; i.e., if you're not "with Israel," you're an extremist and and an anti-Semite. Just my opinion, mind you.

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At this point, I think they should just move the govt to Tel Aviv since that's who they appear to be working for. Honestly, it's like candidates compete with each other on who loves Israel the most. Meanwhile, America is being destroyed from within.

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If the Zionists have their way all freedom-lovers will be muzzled and won't be allowed to say anything critical of Zionists. It won't just be labeled antisemitic hate speech, it will be criminalized.

It is up to us to allow this or not.

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fwiw- Larry Romanoff has an article over at unz.com "The Richest Man" where he goes over the amount of wealth these City of London banking families have amassed via their fiat money scam and he thinks were up against trillionaires.

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Thank you.

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There is a singular banking interest whose activity we should be keenly aware of. That is the Crown, who is leasing to the people the governments of the five-eyes, who uses Poland and Ukraine to continually antagonize Russia and prevent it from consolidating lands, and who established Israel so that it could have a foothold in the middle east. This entity is something like a beast with ten (installed) heads. It has allies in Germany, Switzerland, Scotland, France and Belgium while it also has installed heads throughout the five-eyes. The CIA works for the Crown, and it controls several vassal states like NK, and some in central and south America. The CIA are company men (whatever their true religious affiliation might be).

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Yes, although there is confusion about what the Crown actually is:

"The Crown Temple Secret Society of the Third Way Order," by Rule of Mystery Babylon

https://ia802808.us.archive.org/35/items/pdfy-A3_v4SEVxCudIit2/2014%20the_crown_temple.pdf

(Hat Tip: Frances Leader)

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That is a good article. I follow her, too. This article: https://prussiagate.substack.com/p/1871?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2 Talks about the end of the Stuart line and how William of Orange was able to borrow enough money to pay off Charles's creditors. And that's how the Crown bank was established, replacing the Stuart line. I try to soak up as much Will Zoll as I can.

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Yes, Zoll produces interesting work. If you haven't already read "Ireland, Land of The Pharaohs," by Andrew Power, you will probably find it fascinating. It provides deep insights into the Battle of The Boyne and the transfer of power (no relation!):

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/18882373-ireland

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GgVNyrMu2M

PDF is available at Scribd and elsewhere online.

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Thank you. I'll give it a shot.

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When we see the USA sending money and armaments to Ukraine, we should see the Crown Temple Bank using its resources in strategic action. When we see the CIA training, arming, and funding Hamas (like ISIS and Arab Spring), we should see the Crowns's company men creating the propaganda that will allow Israel to remove the Palestinian population. When we see the CIA training with New Zealand and Australian intelligence and then CIA-style false flags pop up in those places, we should see the Crown doing it.

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..” It’s more death fruit of the post Federal Reserve monetary system..”

Holee mackeral - best profundity I’ve read in years!! Lasers, lady, lasers!👍🏻

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I agree with your take on "child sacrifice"...

Not sure if I posted the following on your other post.

This may be of interest...

CIA MIND CONTROL EXPERIMENTS

One area of the CIA’s research that is rarely talked about, or even known, is male circumcision or genital mutilation. PRACTICED ROUTINELY by #JEWS, #MUSLIMS and #AMERICANS!!

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Cansever describes a study of the psychology of boys circumcised between the ages of 4 and 7 both before and after the surgery, based on various methods of psychological examination, and reports the following trends among the subjects:

- lower IQ as measured 7 days after the operation

- infantile regression of drawings and expressed wishes

- greater measured levels of aggression

- new fears and anxieties

- weaker control over primitive impulses to the point of maladaption

- greater aggression towards their mothers

- withdrawal from human relationships and difficulty responding to demands of external world

- perceptions of having been castrated

It turns out that in 1961, the CIA had payed “Cansever” to study the effects of circumcision, and he found that it made boys dumber, more infantile, more fearful, and more aggressive, with less control over their base instincts and a healthy dose of aggression towards the most significant female figure in their lives, their mothers.

If the findings of this study hold true for boys circumcised younger, it might suggest that the United States contains some 100+ million men who have been psychologically altered, from as early as infancy, to be stupider, to have lower impulse control, to tend towards aggression and violence, and to possess an instinctual distrust of women. Throw in the diminishing effects of circumcision on penile sensitivity and the consequent difficulties of sex and tendency towards paraphilias, and a picture begins to emerge of an organic golem that can be manipulated more easily by carrots and is less able to establish a normal, healthy relationship with a woman—splitting the family apart or preventing its formation has always been a goal of oppressive regimes, including the one that currently rules over the US.

Unfortunately for many of us, there exists, at this point, ample evidence that events in infancy can and do have measurable effects on the hindbrain, the part of our brain that drives instinctual, “gut” reactions and behavior. This is especially true when it comes to traumatic events that trigger stress hormones such as partial amputation of the penis, routinely performed at birth in this country. Although humans are cognizant of their lives, making behaviorism a dead area of psychology, it is still understood that instinctual behavior plays a role in decision-making, which is why propaganda and advertising are so widespread. How attached will men be to their women if they are surgically predisposed more to masturbate to pornography than to enjoy normal, PIV sex? Is it really a stretch to claim that enjoyment of sex is determined, in part, by the existing or removed enervation of the sex organ involved, and that this might have an effect on the interpersonal relationships of men and women across the country?

It is also worth noting that, according to Leonard Glick in Marked in Your Flesh, circumcision of gentiles is twice used in the Old Testament as a means of disfiguring humiliation and domination by Israelites, and it may still be interpreted as such by a certain religiously-minded tribe. I am not a mind-reader, and intelligent minds can differ on the motivations of various groups that encourage circumcision in the United States, but the historical context of mass, non-consensual circumcision of gentiles may be a clue as to what is going on here."

Link to PDF:

https://acrobat.adobe.com/id/urn:aaid:sc:VA6C2:5efe4c81-59b6-483d-8283-8b2181c7b251

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Adobe Caught Selling AI-Generated Images of Israel-Palestine Violence

https://futurism.com/adobe-caught-selling-ai-generated-images-israel-palestine-violence

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You mean you don't believe every handout coming out of Hamas-stan? (Hi, Joyce, Long time no see www.dianawest.net )

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Interesting you posted a link to Mark (Attwood) re Medbeds, Baron Von Trump et al. I owe gratitude to Mark for his brave sharing of his experience with demons on youtube in early 2020. That instilled in me a cognisance of their reality, a fathoming that they occupy a realm here on Earth. It helped give broader context of the 'Co vid' onslaught, and over time my outlook has evolved to view Satanism (call it devildoom) as underpinning and driving on all of the conflict within and without Humans. Thus from that perspective (the devildoom one, not mine!), the more gross trauma the better, as that, along with a global emotional overwroughtness over the deadly issue is bountiful harvest.... being fomented very successfully in present times getting so many to be 'taking sides'...

As you say Celia....

"I don’t see “Hamas” vs “Israel.” I see a massive Op to normalize child sacrifice. That brings us squarely into the super jarring question of “Satanism” which most people can’t cope with, so they go back to international politics"

Sticking at the level of international politics is "the here, no further" expounded by David Icke who has long seen the detail in the broad canvas. It is always worth checking in with him to get orientation, and keep our separateness from the baying fray.

But also bear in mind it is our separateness, our experienced duality, which is ultimately to be transcended....

So if we can tune into how we are all collectively One, and need to see we are being pitched from pillar to post emotionally by that of the demonic realm infiltrating us.

John's expostion here cuts to the quick.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQg0JVTzLKw

(from 3mins in John gets into it...but for some polar opposite contrast to a 'normalising of child sacrifice' , if you listen from the beginning you will find example of an antidote)

(ps. and in so much as the reality of a dark Satan has become apparent to me, there has likewise been an opening to that which maybe I can talk of as the light of Christ Consciousness...

And consider.... what if both 'sides' are embraced within the wholeness of a Primary Source?...and so it is humans 'lot' to be put through the wringer to know God?)

We Know Not eh....

But is it not upon us to say 'no', to not get entrapped into the madness, but to take charge of ourselves...

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After decades of taking sides (always presuming my liberal-progressive 'side' was the right side to be on), these past several years of nonsense have been my education in the futility and the function of 'sides'.

Celia, the perspective your words speak to (quoted below) seems to be one of the pillars upon which humanity has arrived at this juncture in history.

The function of sides appears (to me) to be a steady and reliable distraction from whatever energies and/or forces are subverting humankind.

It sounds stupidly simple, and overly simple, yet it's stunningly effective in it's simplicity. The result of division / disunity / separation / alienation / discord is a willingness to go to war (formally or informally) within ourselves and with our fellow humans. And so it has been for countless years.

Is it satanism? the occult? Wetiko? a non-human presence from another source? a non-human force that feeds upon and is nourished by human anguish and suffering? All of these and more?

I have come to believe this is so. It exists and is the non-human operative presence beyond / behind the names and faces we know as the 'elite' and all the other names we attribute to the human (or partially human) controllers.

"Who designed “Covid?” That was some next level terrorism if you ask me. And it followed many principles of the occult, including the perverse desire to overtake and destroy children, an obsession with penetration, blood, force and needles, as well as chemical and synthetic biology Godheads. Before all that: A flood of fear. Satanists believe in scaring people to death if at all possible, or making people kill themselves. Satanists are never ever wrong. Never remorseful. Watch for that."

I am now only weary of taking sides in the name of war - whatever the war may be, at whatever tie in history.

There is a worldwide genocide happening every single day by way of the military countermeasures / bioweapons masquerading as 'covid vaccines', and the puppetmasters are pulling out all the stops to keep us in denial of it. What better distraction than war, particularly *this* war - ?

At this moment on earth, the sorrow and weariness is strong in so many. I wonder, will we see a day in our lifetimes (at least those of us in our 60's and beyond) when curiosity overcomes compliance? I was in my late 50's's before this became my experience. Sheesh.

Thanks for being here, Celia ~ and everyone who is in this community.

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Very similar to how I see it Kavita! Cheers

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And cheers to you, Steve ~

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I'm just listening to this...more piecing together!... https://www.theinspiredchannel.com/

It is Jean talking with Frank Jacob...feels like more illumination...(and getting hippocampus fired up...you will see what I mean by that!)

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Thanks! Will explore soon ...

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And!

I just listened to a couple of "illumination and guidance" videos. Found them so pertinent. Feel to share, as there is a kind of momentum in this thread.

Have you come across Saratoga Ocean?...expands perspective...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjaqJ_YCpyo

And this latest one from John really addresses our personal challenge in being our true reality, not prey to the dynamics of the Matrix...and them demons

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQ_p8AGCdaY

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The slaughter of innocents - going on for how long? Eternity? I remember when Madeleine Albright said the slaughter of the children was worth it as you point out. How utterly appalling, a statement made by a psychopath.

I remember my students telling me how beautiful was :Palestine; I remember others telling me how much they loved Israel.

Here's my question, in tune with yours - aren't extremists who will stop at nothing, criminals? And another - if an extremist group does not want to follow democracy (at least so-called) of any country they have made home, and prefer to follow a religious law and not the rule of law, what does that mean for the country and the people in it?

And if as, Josh, below, points out, when thousands rally in support of Palestine, to stop the slaughter and the confiscation of lands again, still - remember Rachel Corrie?? - NOT because they support Hamas but because they care about the people, and call for a cease fire, right now, does that mean they are evil? Because they run against the narrative they must hateJews, which is not what the protest is about.

Also, how long has Israel been gobbling up the Palestinian land and throwing out the indigenous peoples? It's the extremism that is causing the horror. It must stop.

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There is another angle to this story Celia, something which I came across I believe yesterday or the day before... check out the video linked here...

https://twitter.com/richimedhurst/status/1719843625784266992

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Yes, Richard Medhurst with 9 min of important info!

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Palestina is not Hamas. To blur the obvious difference is another "language weaponization" and mind-vector tool to label people to be "terror apologizer", and even hit them with the hammer of law.

We must not accept to be enrailed in the labels they want to create.

Even the idea that Hamas are the terrorist, not the zionist regime and their bombs.... well, if this is not perverse, I am lost in the vocabulary. We were driven to develop emotions that now are very difficult to erase, even knowing some true, or at least knowing that what they "informed" (MSM) about 7th October... was not what happen. The 5th generation warfare weaponry of regimes, now must be very known for us. What happen in Gaza is a Genocide. What more? What these abject top leaders in the regime declare, is criminal, unjustifiable, perverse. they are war criminals, and we are hipnotically looking the movie and always surprised that they are impune to do whatever they want.

I reccomend to take a look to Ryan Cristián cover of the 7th October Hamas-IDF confrontation

https://www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/evidence-israel-kills-own-citizens/

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Yes, Scott Ritter recently made that same comment about the hypocrisy in calling Hamas terrorists, but not calling Israel a terrorist nation as it is slaughtering Palestinians civilians in Gaza. IMO, the US and Israel are the biggest terrorists states, probably the UK too. Once you wake up to the truth about 9/11 and all the other false flags, it's easy to see.

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Exactly. I watch 2 interviews done to Scott Ritter about the situation in Gaza, and his vision about Israel and Hamas and what can happen. It seems accurate, precise. Still there are pieces missing about this operation (Max Igan, from another perspective, look at the operation and rise the question of how the weapons and equipement used by Hamas could enter in Gaza without Mossad not knowing, and so on). But is clear that "the West" (leading by bankers and zionists specially) accuse of terrorism to ghosts, being them "the" terror gang of the world. Always creating as you say hudge False Flags.... being Covid1984 perhaps the bigger, involving the other big technocrats of the east too: a global tyrannical move.

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Yes, I've watched Max Igan and he definitely make a number of important points about how impossible the official narrative is. I'm just shocked that the Israelis believe everything from their govt and media--they seem brainwashed to the point that they seem psychopathic (I have no other way of describing it)- look at this:

https://mondoweiss.net/2023/11/israeli-doctors-urge-the-bombing-of-gaza-hospitals/

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