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Gary’S's avatar

This is why I stopped attending a Bible church which includes praying for Israel as part of its worship.

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Commoncents's avatar

sickening isnt it?

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Gary’S's avatar

Yes. And worse than sickening.

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37's avatar

THANK YOU!!!

US social clubs that we call "churches" have been taken over by satan.

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INGRID C DURDEN's avatar

amen. and so are all those that 'stand with Israel'.

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37's avatar

A majority of those that "stand with Israel" are fundies here in the US.

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edward's avatar

According to double reference prophecy 91 percent of all religions are apostate.

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Horace the Menace's avatar

This is part of a doctrine known as dispensationalism which was created in the nineteenth century by a freemason and theosophist named John Darby. His writings were littered with occult references drawn from the Kabbalah and Theosophy.

This is a false teaching, and one deliberately introduced by a man belonging to a Luciferian cult.

Sadly a very large portion of the protestant church has been fooled and subscribes to these lies.

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Gary’S's avatar

The false (satanic and luciferian) teachings of John Darby went mainstream — that is, acceptance by fundamentalist, evangelical, Bible-believing (or so they say), born again Christians — with the publication of the Cyrus Ingerson Scofield (1843–1921) reference Bible. Scofield was financed by zionists. In my honest opinion, Christianity has become perverted and deviant. It’s been corrupted by political zionism.

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37's avatar

It's interesting that you say that. Christian religions today (not faith in Christ, but religions) are the modern equivalent to what Phariseism was in Jesus' day, particularly Catholicism. In fact, the Vatican is so chock full of Luciferian, satanic, and occult symbolism that if Catholics actually took a look it would be quite interesting. Most I guess would simply dismiss it for some odd reason, despite their claim that the Pope all but sits at the right hand of God.

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Tim Mungovan's avatar

Christian Zionism is a Israeli Psi Op. Money donated for Zionism goes to the IDF War Effort Christians that donate to their cause are Mind Controlled Fools Gods People are Lazy Sod-dish Sheep as they never do any research they just blindly do what there pastors tell them like fat cat John Hagey It is the Zionists that are behind all the Diversity and Inclusion Satanic insanity and is that not condemned by the Bible; so these useful idiots are doing the devils work Sorry to be so Direct but the Truth is the Truth... So help Me God..!!!

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Gary’S's avatar

From my research, “Christian Zionism” can be traced back to the footnotes in the Scofield Bible. Guess who commissioned that Bible? https://www.chronline.com/stories/letters-to-the-editor-scofield-bible-had-big-effect-on-united-states-take-action-to-change,110269

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37's avatar

A good read is Zion's Christian Soldiers.

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sadie's avatar

Oh.. I can pray for them... but it's more along the lines of David's prayers for his enemies... you know... may they fall in their own pits, may destruction come upon the doers of evil.... not too different from what I pray for the country's evil...

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Gary’S's avatar

Proverbs 8:13 — “The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogance, and the evil way, and the fraudulent mouth, do I hate.” It sure seems like there’s not much good (aka righteousness?) in this world to love, but there’s a helluva lot of evil (and “the evil way”) to hate, eh?

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sadie's avatar

Sadly. The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.... doesn't seem that very many fear God anymore.

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Gary’S's avatar

I agree. The fear of GOD has become old fashioned, out of vogue.

“We shall unleash the nihilists and the atheists and we shall provoke a great social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to all nations the effect of absolute atheism; the origins of savagery and of most bloody turmoil.” ~ Albert Pike, Illuminati Mason

How much has atheism and nihilism turned the beginning of wisdom into foolishness?

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John's avatar

Because you prefer being accursed of God?

Did you ever learn anything about God or the Bible?

Do you understand there are no exceptions? That ditzy columnists posting Deep State Propaganda, whose imaginative narrative considers neither the real victimizers of innocent civilians are the Murderous Muslims and have been for decades on end is of zero import and changes nothing.

The deal remains the same,with no loopholes.

An enemy of Israel is an enemy of God, and will be dealt with accordingly on Judgement Day.

Do you even understand that you and all Jew Haters are the specific target of Armegeddon?

None of you have a trace of a ghost of a glimmer of a shadow of a point, and apart from all else, merely taking the side of the UN and indoctrinated Arabs so insanely evil from life long indoctrination that they have been expelled from 3 Arab nations shows none of you are playing with anything close to a full deck.

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Gary’S's avatar

Is he who delivered these words “accursed of God”?

“I know the slander on the part of those who say that they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan.”

“I will make those of the synagogue of Satan who say that they are Jews and are not, but are lying…”

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John's avatar

Nope. He nailed the liar Paul perfectly.

You would realize that if you were familiar with the Bible.

It was Paul and no one else who taught His people to eat foods sacrificed to idols.

It is Paul and no one else who held Roman Authority in the most hierarchical culture the world has ever known, claiming to be a simple tentmaker who would never be allowed to run for dog catcher in Roman Society.

And it is also only Paul who claims a " Cousin Herodias", clearly implying the Herodians ruling family is where he really descended from, which also makes his ascent to Roman Authority feasible.

Here is my question for you: Which is true: On the road to Damascus, only Paul was able to hear Christ's voice, or

On the road to Damascus, everyone present heard Christ's voice.

Good luck choosing, it's the problem with liars like Paul;they can't keep their stories straight.

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Celia Farber's avatar

I'm getting up to speed about Paul, in recent days, finally. Astounding.

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sadie's avatar

I hope you're not relying on people here to learn about him. Paul was not a liar. I hope you read Acts for yourself before you read any commentaries on him.

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iterating Roger W.'s avatar

There is a fun trick you can do on antisemitic Christians. Tell them that Jesus was a Jew and his mom was a Jew too. Then go back to a safe distance as you see them making incoherent noises and shaking on the floor.

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Donna Ruth's avatar

Huh???

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Gary’S's avatar

I’m not going to be distracted by you into discussing Paul (or rather the rabbi Saul of Tarsus), because that rabbi didn’t deliver the words I quoted above to you about those who claim to be Jews (but lie about it) because they are of the devil, the father of lies. The rabbi who delivered these words — “You are of your father the devil, and you desire to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and has not stood in the truth, because there is no truth in him. Whenever he might speak falsehood, he speaks from the own; for he is a liar, and the father of it” — delivered them to Jews. The (so-called) “Jews”, who are running the state of Israel, are murderers and like their father, the devil, “a murderer from the beginning”. My guess is that you are of the murderer Cain, who slew his brother, Abel. My guess is that you are a son of perdition, or very closely related to the son of perdition. It’s interesting to meet you.

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pimaCanyon's avatar

where did all this Armageddon nonsense come from? It's not in the Bible. it's just some made up stuff by people who've read Revelation and think they know what it means!

You think God will reward people for murder and genocide? Then you worship a very different God from the God I worship. Murderous Muslims will have to stand in judgement, just as murderous Zionists will, just as murderous Christians will. The label is not important. The actions are what we will be held responsible for. "For ye shall know them by their works." John's Gospel tells us God is Love. God IS Love, Love IS God, they are the same. Murdering women and children is not God, it's the opposite of God, the antithesis of God.

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Brent Carlson's avatar

This thinking implies that the Jew are the chosen people. In the Old Testament this could be interpreted that way. But Jesus was a spiritual teacher of love, forgiveness and truth. He was not a religious leader but a teacher of Gods love.

His most important prayer starts with a stanza that says it all. “Our Father”. Jesus didn’t say my Father but Our Father. This includes all peoples not only Jews.

People of Jewish faith inside Israel want the killing to end. These are Jews that practice Judaism. Israel is now governed by Zionists which want to expand Israel “from the river to the sea”.

We should all pray that the killing of the innocent stops now and peace prevails.

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Sam's avatar

Jews say that they are The Chosen People. Reminds me of Nazis saying that they were The Master Race. I can’t see a difference between the two slogans.

Anyone supporting the slaughter of Palestinians is a horrible human being. Period. They have lost their humanity if they ever had any. There is no defense against it.

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Brent Carlson's avatar

Prayer is very powerful

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Brent Carlson's avatar

My God is bigger than any predators. I trust in my Lord.

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Sam's avatar

Buy a mirror, John.

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John's avatar

Try harder. Even a brain dead self condemning enemy of God like you should be able to do better than that.

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Frances Leader's avatar

You can shove your lies up as far as your crippled propagandised brain, sonny. Report to your nearest mental health institute. You need a LOT of help to disavow yourself of the total nonsense you have been brainwashed with.

Good luck recovering from being a compulsive liar and psychopath.

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Gary’S's avatar

The bots (aka hasbara trolls) have found a comments section, eh?

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Frances Leader's avatar

Report them for hate crimes to Substack via the three little dots. Make sure to select to report to Substack direct and not Celia. She does not need the harassment.

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Gary’S's avatar

Maybe. I prefer zero censorship myself. Allow people to show their true colors.

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John's avatar

Your shameful ignorance and Black Hearted Hate reflect on you, not me.

You cannot rebut a thing I said, which is why you don't even try.

You are a corrupt soul, accursed of God .

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Sam's avatar

Your gawd sure likes seeing lots of slaughter and you being okay with it is a funny way to show that you are a gawd fearing Christian. If that’s what you call yourself. I want no part of your gawd.

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John's avatar

Which is good since you have no part in God and He wants no part in you unrepentant.

I am sure glad I did not suffer the influence of you mawma and pawpaw.

They sure did a tragically bad job in you.

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Frances Leader's avatar

God has cared for me so well that I am still alive at 72 and here to bite verbal LUMPS out of you evil mouthed, judgemental psychopaths. It is a dirty job but God knows fine well that I can handle it with ease.

You can take your ugly curses and fester on them. Anything you wish on another comes back on you at the power of three...... have fun with that.

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Horace the Menace's avatar

Ah - but the questions is "Who or what is Israel?".

Is it the church of those who have kept the faith with God? Or is it a piece of real estate populated with people, largely of European origin, who claim the name "Jew".

Israel is the Hebrew name Yisra'el, meaning God contends, or one who struggles with God. Those identified with that name are God’s people, chosen for a purpose. And that is what Israel ultimately means: God’s people (https://www.christianity.com/wiki/bible/what-is-the-meaning-of-israel-in-the-bible.html).

So if you accept that it is the first group, then you are back to the debate about whether or not Jesus was the messiah. If he was, then it is Chrsitians who are the true followers of God and his church and are rightfully called "Israel" in the bible. And if he wasn't then it is the second group.

Because let's face it - European Christians are as Jewish as Ashkenazi Jews. The people of Judah split into two groups - the followers of Jesus and those who rejected him. Both groups went forth and converted many Europeans to their religion - which people make up the overwhelming majority of both faiths today.

So you have two groups of mostly European people who both claim to be followers of the same God. One group call themselves "Christians" and the other "Jews". Neither has any more claim to be Israel than the other, except on the basis that they are correctly following God's commands.

And - by the way - it is this very point - the idea that biblical "Israel" is a piece of real estate, not the faithful church, which John Darby (the Luciferian) and Scofield (the con man) went to such great lengths to propagate - an idea which has no basis whatsoever in scripture or the Hebrew language itself.

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I stand with you, John.

Courageous narrative.

Thank you.

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FREED0ML0VER's avatar

You should read some history....and the Bible that you are hiding behind.

https://www.courageouslion.us/p/forgotten-facts-regarding-the-middle

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John's avatar

Now let me suggest something you maybe don't learn in your echo chamber.

Did you know the son of the founder of Hamas is in Israel and was formerly a part of Hamss and became disgusted at the duplicity and evil and now is sharing the truth about the Hamss scam?

And that isn't a tenth as shocking as what he advocates as necessary to deal with Hamas, but I will let your curiosity determine whether you find out what that is.

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John's avatar

I have no interest in fabricated Jew Hater "History" and the only one hiding behind BS is you.

You are utterly lying and the Bible says exactly everything I said it does, and you cannot disprove a word of it.

It is pure scriptural fact that you are accursed for your Jew Hate, and you are foolish to dispute it.

It is pure fact that Armegeddon is precisely about destroying all you Jew Haters, specifically for your Jew Hate.

If you had any knowledge of God or the Bible you would already know that.

But you are separated from God for your hate.

And you are supremely stupid to think you should advocate for people who hate you and want you dead or converted, and the Deep State itself.

You are a Nazi and you aren't fooling anyone decent.

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FREED0ML0VER's avatar

1. Criticism of the Gang Of Vicious Thugs (GOVT) that presently runs Israel does not make one a Jew hater or a Nazi.

2. Anyone who murders civilians, especially innocent children, has lost his soul. That includes any side of any conflict for any "reason."

3. You only have to look at the changes in the maps of Israel/Palestine from 1947 to present to see what's going on here. It's what GOVTs do, and have always done, all through history to indigenous people who don't "fit in."

4. Your ad hominem insults and numerous other logical fallacies only serve to reveal the weaknesses of your arguments. Here's a link to a guide that might help you do better.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/

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3) Needs it's own, separate refutation because it is by far the most idiotic.

Tunnel Vision is not the only way to look at anything.

It is not even a good way, and it leads to the sort of nonsensical garbage that constitutes the Jew Hate narrative.

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John's avatar

1) There is no such restriction on the daffy Jew Hate Narrative.

2) On this basis , your support for the blatantly Genocidal Pals, who proudly brag of their Genocidal Intent and the resolve to continue repeating Oct 7 atrocities until Israel is destroyed off the face of the Earth only becomes more disgusting.

4) Accusing others of your own cheap shots does not transfer culpability.

Scriptural truth and Prophesy are not logical fallacies anyway, and showing you like to bandy pseudo-intellectual terms you don't understand does nothing to enhance your position.

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sadie's avatar

That is just one interpretation... and a more recent one at that.

No one is taking a side of wicked Arabs. There are lots of innocent people there - it is simply a call for peace and an end to war. Did you know there were several Christian churches there before all this?

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John's avatar

Yes I did know there were churches. There were entire towns that were Christian before Fakestinian Terror forced conversion and hiding.

Given your moderate tone and lack of stale, nonsensical Jew Hater tropes, I can believe your concern to be sincere.

It does not extend to the board, though.

You may well be expressing your views but that is not what is being pushed here.

If you do believe in God Nd find anything I have said hard to believe, I suggest Deuteronomy 32, the First Song of Moses.

It provides an excellent overview and contains the famous " Vengeance is Mine, saith the Lord. I will repay".

And it ends with the promise repeated throughout the Bible to destroy Israel's enemies and to make atonement for His land and His people.

It doesn't make any difference what anyone thinks.

Christ promises to enter the fray wearing a white robe and to stain it crimson with the blood of the adversary, and to make them drunk on their own blood.

If you concern yourself with innocent lives you should think about the Pals continuing to hold senior citizens and to divert medications promised to them.

You should think of Jewish infants savagely murdered not just Oct 7, but inmurder bombings and other vicious assaults across decades. Think of the thousands of misskes deliberately targeting Israeli Civilians.

Even these videos are brought into question due to the long record of Pals faking Israeli atrocities.

My favorite I'd the one where a young Pal womanhas been atrociously murdered by the IDF.

As the video comes to an end, it's picked up by a cell phone, as the murder victim gets up and walks away.

The Red Cross has not taken care of the hostages, refused for years to grant recognition to Magen David Adom, while providing Red Crescent Ambulances as Troop and Materiel Transports.

Pals are infoctribated from childhood in UN schools to be blood thirsty Jew Haters.

The result is adults too erratic for polite society.When, decades late, Arab states such as Kuwait tried to absorb them, they soon had no choice but to exoell them

That's also why Egypt I'd threatening to end it's peace deal with Israel.

They don't want one single Fakestinian Terrorist crossing their border.

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Frances Leader's avatar

I don't hate Jews. I am defending them against their mortal enemies - THE ZIONISTS.

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Frances Leader's avatar

Sorry! Your comments are too cryptic or English is not your first language. I apologise if I misunderstood your intentions.

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Sean O'Dalaigh's avatar

Rockefeller (who was a bona-fide Satanist and Lucerferian) paid a guy called Scofield to rewrite the St James Bible (hence the Scofield Bible) to insert the pro-Israeli narrative (Israeli homeland in Palestine) which is why many US Christians believe that God called for this craziness.

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Scofield’s Zionist “bible” can be traced back to the Rothschild dynasty. “John D. Rockefeller, Sr., was a wealthy man even before he took over Standard Oil Co., which made their family one of the richest in the world. No one has ever explained how this family came into such wealth as soon as they arrived in America from France. There is no known information on how Rockefeller came into huge amounts of money in France. There’s speculation that they got their money from the Rothschild’s and were originally their agents in buying up Christian businesses in America. "Marranos" are Jews who "pretend" to convert to Christianity so as to deceive Christians in their business dealings. The Marranos secretly continued to practice Judaism in private rituals. For this reason, a Marrano family like the Rockefeller's would make the perfect tool for the Rothschild’s of France, who have for centuries used secret agents to carry on their work.” (Cited from the article “The Rockefeller Family: Secret Jews”.)

I think that when we recall Christ saying “You are of your father the devil, and you desire to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and has not stood in the truth, because there is no truth in him. Whenever he might speak falsehood, he speaks from the own; for he is a liar, and the father of it”, Christ was speaking to Jews about Jews. Christ wasn’t interested in sparing their feelings. Christ was speaking clearly and directly about the Jews, even embarrassing or unpleasant things. Has the behavior of the Jews changed for the better in the last (close to) two thousand years?

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Sean O'Dalaigh's avatar

Great information - when the Khazarian Mafia were run out of Ukraine / Crimea they descended into Europe and infiltrated the royal families - headquarters were in Bohemia (now Bavaria) - for example they paid Oliver Cromwell to stir up shit in England where he incarcerated Charles 1 - as Charles refused to go along with the charade he was beheaded and he was the last true blood, which brings into question the lineage of the current royal family in the UK, and the rest of Europe for that matter. The original Khazarian Mafia made their money by tricking / murdering / sacrificing merchants from China and Asia to Europe who had to traverse through their turf - they extracted the merchants secrets (buyers etc) and then sold the same merchandise they just stole in Europe. They believed in human / child sacrifice to bring them closer to Satan - their spawn is alive today in the European Royal Families, Soros, Rothchild Family etc. There is much evidence that the Dutch Royal, for example, were present at child rape and sacrifice; the late Jimmy Saville used to smuggle children into Buckingham Palace for the late Prince Phillip so old traditions are hard to break. Phew!!!

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Frances Leader's avatar

The independent City of London is a Zionist enclave which obeys a Black Nobility international crime syndicate. It has two goals in Gaza.

1) The creation of an alternative to the Suez canal. If Gaza can be cleared of residents it will cease to exist as a home for anyone. It will become the greatest port and earner for Israel.

2) Immediately off Gaza's coastline is a vast gas field which will be exploited by Israel to provide another earner for Israel.

It is obscene that the BBC should assist in such theft, destruction, maiming and murdering of innocents.... but they do, producing night after night of propaganda and a sick Panorama programme which praises Israel.

I wonder how much they will earn out of this disgusting support for globalism and oppression.

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Frances Leader's avatar

Yeah, but they are already stealing that..... Genie Oil.... charming huh?

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AL's avatar

This is a direct window to the soul of our government, supporting this slaughter--and not just indirectly. They think they can get away with it because no one will report it, they've got the PR of Israel and the Jewish-American state, and no one really cares about these poor people. If nothing else, this should prepare us for what lies ahead at home.

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The Pals have been " getting away with it" for seventy five long years, and you bet we (China Joe) have financed it, either directly or through the UN.

Trump put an end to financing rewards for the Murder Bombers, Biden reinstated it.

The evil is Islam, Satan's Religion.

Any of you who delude yourself that you are Christian and opposed to Israel really need to quit lying to yourselves.

Your support of Israel's enemies makes you an enemy of God.

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AL's avatar

Stop playing into the hands of your owners. None of this would be happening if those same evildoers did not create hatred out of thin air and perpetuate it through relentless propaganda. Our deep state created ISIS for political purposes, 9/11 was an inside job, and now this- all to tear down and destroy the Arab state (and they’ll gladly kill Israelis too to get there). The region is packed with invaluable natural resources they want.

Your very limited and politically motivated reply just shows how influenced you are by propaganda. Trump is no better than the rest of them. They all work together, in tandem, for the same destructive purposes. Don’t forget Trump killed millions of Americans with the so-called vaccines and still touts them as “miracles.” Wake up out of your stupor.

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Gary’S's avatar

How confident are you that the United States can divorce itself from the zionists?

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Frances Leader's avatar

I am a Brit. I have lots of faith in us, the people of all 5 Eyes countries - but our governments are filled with Zionist selected candidates.

We have to overthrow our governments NOW.

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I knew you were a Brit. I ought to have phrased it “How confident are you that the Five Eyes can divorce themselves from the zionists?” Sorry about that. As for the people immediately overthrowing their governments, sorry again. I’m reasonably sure that you have written previously on HOW this is to be done (and I’ve read a lot that you have written), but I have forgotten. Remind me?

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Frances Leader's avatar

King Charles is nobody's puppet. Don't be fooled by a photo.

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Frances Leader's avatar

Surely if USA stops funding and sending armaments, Israel will have to stop attacking Palestinians? That is not lip service! That is decisive action!

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Vivienne Mae's avatar

That is a BIG if, an unlikely action. Prayer may be the only possible way it could unfold.

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John's avatar

Your owner is Satan whom you serve.

No Arab state exists there and no Arab state ever will exist in Israel.

There is no district genetic group called Palestinian. No Palestinian language, no Palestinian state now or ever in history.

700K Arabs have milked this scam for seventy five years.

By comparison, the tiny part of Ireland known as the Republic has accepted one million of the fake refugees created as part of the same Deep State Scam that you advocate.

This in just a few short years, but no place could be found amongst the oil rich Arab land mass in seventy five years.

You should be ashamed to look in the mirror and see someone as stupidly gullible as yourself.

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AL's avatar

Ok looney tunes. I think you’re the one Satan has gotten a hold of. These are human beings you are talking about and dismissing.

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John's avatar

More Baseless BS.

All you are doing is proving you know nothing but Jew Hate.

You have yet to disprove anything I have said, you just keep harping idiotic Jew Hate talking points that are meaningless drivel.

You are brain dead to support a UN scam.

This has all unfolded according to prophesy and will continue to increasingly as time goes on.

Despite the BS on the Jew Hate screeds, back I reality all the pieces continue falling into place.

Germany rearming would have bednfront page news just a few years ago,but it's prophesied time is now.

The alliance of Russia,China and Iran is another piece falling into place as the world hurtles toward Armegeddon.

Your fantasies change nothing abdtgey cannot prevent prophesy.

Egypt and the Pals will be a desolation,and Jerusalem and Israel will endure forever.

You are not just on the wrong side of history, you are on the wrong side of prophesy.

That's a dangerous place,to play from.

You should reconsider.

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AL's avatar

I’m sorry but in addition to sounding unintelligent, you sound unstable.

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Frances Leader's avatar

Reported to Substack.

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Brent Carlson's avatar

Christians who are opposed to the killing of innocent children are not enemies of God. The Zionists are hiding behind the Jewish faith and the claims of persecution. We must all pray for peace.

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Frances Leader's avatar

Praying is not enough! We have to DEMAND that the UN and the Court in the Hague ORDER Israel to stop immediately and if they do not, we MUST physically stop them.

There is one glimmer of hope:

https://francesleader.substack.com/p/dynamite-news-in-jerusalem-the-conference

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Sam's avatar

So you speak for gawd and know what he thinks?

Didn’t Jesus say, love your enemies?

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Mrhounddog's avatar

Keep shining a bright light on this stuff Celia. Hammer this stuff into people's brains, so that they cannot turn their eyes away.

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Liz G's avatar

This is genocide not Islam nazi propaganda.

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Frances Leader's avatar

Celia - have you seen this?

THERE IS HOPE.... JUST A GLIMMER!

https://francesleader.substack.com/p/dynamite-news-in-jerusalem-the-conference

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Celia Farber's avatar

Thank you Frances.

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37's avatar

Today Palestine, tomorrow the world!

The rallying cry from the Talmudists after the contrived (by the Mossad/CIA) was "we're all Israelis now." The correct cry was "we're all Palestineans now!"

Anyone asking God for help must first renounce those entities and the US Government which is overrun by Israeli citizens running it!

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AL's avatar

Not by Israel’s citizens. Those people are victims too. It’s by our rulers, some out in the open and most behind closed doors.

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37's avatar

It's unfortunate that those same people didn't give the Germans that latitude after WWII, isn't it.

I would agree with you, but what is it that they say, Not Saying 'No' is Just Like Saying 'Yes.'

Just sayin'.

But you're right, it is the Talmudists, and not all of them are.

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FREED0ML0VER's avatar

When all is said and done, I wonder if the Israeli government will quit funding Hamas. That probably depends on whether or not Gaza and the West Bank are completely wiped out in this round. Who do you think will be next, Syria or Lebanon? Good strategic and tactical arguments can be made for either.

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Frances Leader's avatar

Israel created and funded Hamas to be used for exactly this purpose. The people who attacked Israel were ISRAELIS. Witnesses said so.

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FREED0ML0VER's avatar

Idk if they were Israelis, but it's exactly what the Israeli government wanted.

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Markker's avatar

The majority of those killed on Oct 7th died from Israeli tanks blasting homes and young people at concert, by Israeli helicopters, ordered to shoot at anyone running. Videos show this. Frances is correct. All yet again, another psyop.

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Frances Leader's avatar

How many Gazans had access to aircraft and parachutes? How many had hang gliders? I will tell you..... NONE.

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INGRID C DURDEN's avatar

there is a map that circulated early on. Israel wants not only these countries but also a part further on. If this goes on they will get it. Awful people.

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FREED0ML0VER's avatar

Their long game is "From the Nile to the Euphrates."

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Christine the Strawberry Girl's avatar

Hamas was created by Israel and its bitch, USA. Every insane story israHELL blames on Hamas is actually being inflicted onto the Palestinians. They adore lies and deceit. They hide behind their victim status and perpetrate terror onto their enemies(if you’re not a Jew, you’re their enemy). Palestine is their practice genocide. The West is next, NOAHIDE LAW is already been signed into US laws. These psychopaths have been lying and murdering way before Zionism was created.

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Anthony James Hall's avatar

".....since the world turned a blind eye, they got the green light to continue and bombed 7 hospitals afterwards and counting!!!" As I see it, the world didn't turn a blind eye. It was the leadership of the world's puppet governments, leaderships that in most of our Western countries are Zionist-vetted and Zionist-controlled. They are partners in the genocidal obscenity. Our responsibility now is to pull down our supposed leaders that are not accountable to us. Some of them should be tried and then hanged amidst the rubble in Gaza. As I see it, our mission now is to go at the genocidaires in Executive Offices by doing everything in our power to enforce the ICJ ruling by breaking into their enclaves. The ICJ has empowered us within the rule of law to hold them accountable for complicity in genocide.

Anyone doing business with the so-called leaders should understand they are taking a big risk. We should create a situation where our Zionist-puppet so-called leaders have reasons for fear even going out in public. Think globally, act locally. Law enforcement protecting our complicit-in-genocide leaders should understand that if they do not help us enforce the ICJ ruling, they will be complicit too.

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INGRID C DURDEN's avatar

this is bad for all the jewish people, there are lots who are just as disgusted of this as we are. But they will be hated just as well. Just awful. Where is the international community? the UNO? where is everyone? are they all scared of the country led by a senile old man?

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Martin Bassani's avatar

And when they come for us nobody is going to say anything, either. They’ve trained us well! At least it is obvious who has the power among us.

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shiyen's avatar

There's the other formulation, though:

First they came for the jews, but I was not jewish, so I did nothing.

Then all the problems were solved, so they stopped coming for people.

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Darnknlovely's avatar

Isn’t it rather fascinating the now, the LEFT, Lula was installed by the WEF is now calling what’s going on in Israel- genocide. https://t.me/disclosetv/13377. I am telling you, they are ginning for the annihilation of Israel and the collapse of the US. I guarantee you that!

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Mary's avatar

Another x flare , so far barely missing earth, lots of worldwide shaking, times I see it as the earth's imbalance, all this evil, majority of countries ignoring Gaza, corruption at all levels, ignorance of who we are, it had to break apart, can not be sustained, I know, most times I beg for it all to end, our balance is gone. My agony is not like those in Gaza, or any repressed area, but at times the heartache is Unbearable. Just stop it.

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Singing in the Dark's avatar

Most Americans reading this substack feel like there are two Americas, and the line was drawn 2020 when we were forced to choose whether or not to honor authoritarian mandates. Weird people mutated further on the “loosh” as dissenters were punished. When other countries describe the horrors our own administration carries out, we want them to know we citizens do not agree to these atrocities, and enough of us sit in jail for protesting (e.g. J6, abortion protesters, school board meetings, etc.) that the rest of us don’t protest enough to pay too dearly a price. (Yet. I’m sure it’s coming.)

I’ve read a few commenters bitch “our nation sucks and we citizens are complicit.” I wondered what they think we should do to no longer qualify as “complicit”. “If we all stand together” we will be *mowed down* together. These situations are much more complex and nuanced. The time may come when we have to stand, but there’s a reason no one is doing it now, and it’s not laziness. Deep inside everyone knows we don’t have the critical mass needed to succeed in any such uprising. Not enough information to act wisely.

Could there similarly be two Israels? Of course the media won’t say so if it’s true. Do we need to be thinking on a higher level? Do we need to be *much more specific about who the killers are, for the sake of those who can’t stop what Netanyahu perpetrates any more than we can stop Obiden?

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Donna Ruth's avatar

It seems they have us exactly where they want us.

At each others' throats over yet another manufactured war.

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