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DANIEL BUCKLEY's avatar

Jordan Peterson has been compromised and undermined.

This was obvious from his failure to oppose the Covid19 Hoax.

Whether blackmail or threats to his family, who knows,?

But in my humble opinion ,he no longer has credibility as a spokes-person on any matter.

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TriTorch's avatar

He left the stage for drug use (i think) a few years ago, when he came back he was old and ragged...

The drug excuse was a cover for whatever they did to him. The same thing happened to Stefan Molyneux

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Ro Dann's avatar

Not “drug use” but benzodiazapine withdrawal. Something I’m intimately familiar with. There’s no treatment and treatment centers make it worse in fact. His family took him to a clinic in Russia that claimed to have a treatment and he doesn’t remember what happened there. That is more or less the official story. With all its implications

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Laurie's avatar

Jordan and his daughter both speak about the terrible ordeal of coming off of benzos taken for anxiety/depression from the late stage cancer diagnosis of Tammy (wife & mother). I have followed both Jordan and Gabor closely for about six years, read numerous of Gabor’s books and seen Jordan lecture live twice. Both are brilliant and I have immense respect for them. I would say Gabor seems more grounded and Jordan has been through hell in recent years and seems exhausted from his speaking tour and interview circuit. I pray for his health and well-being. They are both treasures and have helped countless people.

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Joanie Higgs's avatar

True. But it's also true that JP has completely "lost the plot", calling fellow social critics like Candace Owens, and others who won't endorse the Zionist Enterprise, "psychopaths".

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Science is Political 2.0's avatar

You mean XANAX.. I had to look that up it has been so long since I have thought of it,. XANAX can be useful because Panic Attacks feel real. My sister had them and was on XANAX. I got a book for her .. it has been like 20 years (she is alive and Ok) written by a man.. titled something like "Panic Attacks are in your mind" .. I will find later.. but she READ THE BOOK. and STOPPED USING XANAX that day. I read it and I understand. One's brain like the pituitary gland and the amygdala and FIGHT OR FLIGHT system in one's body can cause an Adrenalin dump to the point of exhaustion. There is also a great book called Stress Without Distress by Hans Selye. It was required reading for an environmental course in Biology I took. Great book (OH I am a biologist. retired now and worked in medicine but that wasn't my field but there are overlaps of course.) I wonder what happened to him that he can't remember? I do know from another friend, who taught University English that Xanax gave her short term memory loss and when her sister died.. she literally couldn't stop repeating that over and over to the point where she had to shrink. She is doing Ok. I would not want to be her. really sad.

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Ro Dann's avatar

Xanax is in the family of benzodiazepines like klonapin and valium. Well part of his memory loss is I think they put him in a medical coma, if I remember correctly. Like I said there’s no known treatment for benzo withdrawal. But being in a coma sounds dangerous. Probably they gave him drugs that wiped out his memory of suffering. Like they ysed to do for women in labor. But I’m just guessing.

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Sunny Reads's avatar

And Santos Bonacci. Great preachers of the gospel until they disappear… and resurrect with a different sermon.

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Science is Political 2.0's avatar

And we know there are enough false prophets out there.. that is for sure.. and liars.. for a real up close and personal look read TIMOTHY 2:3 in the Bible.. there is actually an amazing book called TIM TWO THREE. gives an amazing look at the actions of the people in the end times.. which apparently have always existed.. ! :)

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Science is Political 2.0's avatar

wow. well there is a lot of that out there.. God knows for sure

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RAY FALCIOLA's avatar

Seems a bit harsh.

I'm not up to date on "what happened to Peterson"

Guess I need to catch up

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Frontera Lupita's avatar

You do need to catch up…Peterson was bogus and a fraud before the ‘drug treatment’ now he’s a ‘broken fraud’.

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RAY FALCIOLA's avatar

I haven't paid that much attention since his "you can't compel me to use your pronouns" days which seemed like a reasonable enough free speech stance. As far as Israel and clot shots (which I think this is about, but like I say, I haven't kept up), everyone gets tripped up on those 3rd rails one way or another. Pick a side and you'll get zapped. I did not listen to him for clot shot guidance nor do I pay much attention to what people have to say about Israel because I can usually tell what they'll say before they say it and when it comes to 3rd rail issues like clot shots and Israel one ALWAYS wonders if you're hearing sincerity or "what I have to say to survive". As far as Peterson being a TOTAL (rather than partial) fraud I can't say. He does seem like a bit of a tortured soul. And perhaps even a broken one. But I'm more inclined to be charitable when seeing some one who's broken. Not saying I won't but not ready to stone him yet either. I've saved a lot of THAT bile for the clot shot purveyors. I only have so much bile at any point in time.

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KatWarrior's avatar

I am with you, Ray. I save my bile for the morons who pushed the poison.

At least JP admitted the bioweapon was a critical error on his part, which is way more than most will admit!

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RAY FALCIOLA's avatar

Yes. I find that if I demand perfection and sever all ties based on that standard I'm going to be alone, terminally bitter and disappointed. Particularly with that guy in the mirror.

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Masha V. Tupitsyn's avatar

Everyone is showing their true colors now. This has to happen. Where do you think the "colossal money," as you put it, is for? It doesn't come pouring in for just being brilliant and working hard. The money is a reward for supporting the right things and causes and wars. The exclusive focus on the mind is Mkultra 101. It has been done to him, and he is doing it to us. Everyone who is extremely famous has gone through it in my opinion. No other way to handle such success and attention (which in itself is trauma-based mind-control) in such a dark world.

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TriTorch's avatar

You got it:

The monsters at top of the pyramid cannot leave anything up to chance, and so instead of relying on just money to corrupt and control politicians, leaders, musicians, pundits, and anyone with a big audience (and thus a wide reach), they turn to horrific methods of subversion - via blackmail - in order to get those influencers under their thumb:

Every world leader - and most entertainers and news broadcasters - are compromised in this way, meaning they are ALL doing the bidding of their masters at the top of the horrid all seeing eye pyramid.

Here's how they do it: Jessie Czebotar Explains Illuminati Blackmail Tactics And How They Control All Politicians: https://old.bitchute.com/video/VvJVtNWdHts0 [5mins]

Regardless of what you think of Jessie Czebotar, she hits the nail on the head on how they get powerful people alone, drug them, take picture of them with children, and then force them to become operatives to do the same with the next batch. Overtime they just get more and more corrupted and eventually become willing agents of the sick system.

You don't even need the MKUltra chair for this, they can corrupt them just as easily without it. And here's the kicker, once they become willing participants, the people who initiated the process now feel vindicated and believe their karma is healed, so they'd rather not torture them lest that karma be damaged. Of course they will in a heartbeat if no other solution is available.

Much more information about the global control matrix here: https://tritorch.com/treason

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Masha V. Tupitsyn's avatar

Exactly. I was listening to for a while Czebotar a couple of years back. This is what is also called controlled opposition. No one becomes famous or rich by chance--no one. Or popular for that matter (unless it's a White Hat opp). Same with Mate. His trauma, or trauma map, as Celia puts it, fits the dominant narrative.

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Celia Farber's avatar

Yes, I think you are right and I should have addressed that. YET, I think Maté is more or less in his own voice, heart, etc. He's always been "dominant narrative," but not controlled, as such…or? His trauma is mother trauma. (Abandonment.)

I learned (without trying) he gets some $60,000 per talk!

But I like him. Not as the man to crack the trauma code, but as a man (one of many) who introduces trauma as the driver of everything.

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Elena's avatar

I became suspicious about Maté when, as guest of Russel Brand (another controlled opposition), he (Maté) promoted the so called Covid vaccines. 60.000 for a talk - doesn't seem to me he remained in his hart or maybe his hart is money oriented 😬.

My point is, I am so careful today, because we don't know who is the wolf in a sheep cloths.

Appreciate your work and posts, Celia🙏

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Older and Wiser's avatar

Mate' is the real deal. In my view the epitome of "self actualized" and aware.

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Masha V. Tupitsyn's avatar

Hi Celia, I hope so. It's hard to know (if not impossible, by design) who anyone is. If Mate is being paid 60,000 a talk that in itself is to me highly suspicious given that our world is not interested in healing or rewarding people who are on such a grand scale. So the people being healed are rich. My problem with the trauma worship is that it disguises the MKultra-programming and trauma that has been enacted from the top. So by everyone focusing on and weaponizing their own personal, identity-based traumas, the macro-trauma--from the govt, from the elites--the child trafficking and pedophilia specifically--COVID, the fame machine, the censorship machine, the Pharma machine; the mass hypnosis, programming, and cultural engineering by our mass media, medical cabal, universities, celebrities, iPhone/social media addiction, etc., is NOT talked about. I always say, even if we fix the politics and the legislations, the social, psychological, and cultural damage is so severe now, I don't know that it will or can ever be restored. All these institutions and systems--and our horrible entertainment matrix--all have to go for that to happen. I live in NYC and see the insanity/programming first hand every day. I pay very careful attention, as I am a writer and think about these things constantly. It's like NPC-world here. Every psyop is on display. Not to mention the dysfunctional infrstructure.

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Older and Wiser's avatar

Deep and well written. Thanks. I keep coming back to a dimension of all of this that I am sadly well-informed in. Dr. Peter Breggin a few months ago wrote that 80% of America is on a psychotropic drug. So for 80% of the people we meet and deal with, it's all not really real. My "favorite" story about "modern" psychotropics that nobody knows is that of OJ Simpson. In June 2006, the NY Post buried an article on its last page titled "An INterview of a best friend of OJ Simpson." That man revealed that 'OJ had doubled-up on his Prozac dosage not long before..." he butchered his wife and that innocent you man (a waiter returning her sunglasses). AT thAT TIME, since 1989, the FDA's list of "side effects" (AKA dosage dependent EFFECTS) began with: "MURDER, SUICIDE....." And these drugs are well documented to "cause the patient to have reduced healthy anxiety which governs good judgment."

I can say with 100% certainty, from experience, that I don't trust ANYTHING said by anyone that MIGHT be on psychotropic drugs.

Remember WWII when German forces over-ran France. The German's bragged about their "ubber mensch" - ultimate/superior people and the future people for humanity. Well the truth is that German forces were loaded up on amphetamines and there were reports of some forces fighting for 3 days without any sleep. The "ubber" man. Nope. Methheads just like HItler and all but one of his direct report "leaders". The except was Albert Speer, Hitler's architect.

There is no reality even from psychologists/psychiatrists IF they are users.

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Joanie Higgs's avatar

Must seem like living in that movie "Invasion of the Body Snatchers." I feel for you.

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PBinAB's avatar

Kay Griggs was married to a high ranking US army officer and spilled the beans in 1997. They purposefully look for deviants to work through the ranks for covert killings, etc and blackmail is the #1 tool used according to Kay.

Here is a link to her in-depth interview if this interests you.

https://youtu.be/4fdS5cdtPOA?si=KKiy4AhLh2xkdRhn

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Sophia's avatar

Thank you for the link. She is a brave woman to out the psychopathic high-ranking military leaders and their methodologies. 💔

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IgbyMac's avatar

Thank you for the links.

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IgbyMac's avatar

Peterson is hardly brilliant. Sorry to deflate that bubble. He is certainly a well-schooled propagandist but talks in circles, splashing in his bathwater. It's a common feature of the intellectuals that are pushed before us to lead the way.

Has he been MKUltra-ed? I'm not sure.

Typically, I think the school system is used to vet people for their character weaknesses, not their intellectual strengths. Academia, especially the arts and social sciences, is largely an exercise in parroting. But if you can parrot and you are egocentric, the stroking can move you anywhere they choose.

Good article, thank you.

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A.M.'s avatar

When I was in college I was rather stunned when my academic advisor--who'd also been a professor of mine--told me that I'd have better grades if I was more of a 'Pollyanna.' I guess I took the Socratic method too far and argued with too many professors. But, much of what I was taught didn't make sense to me, and I didn't believe it--and I was only a lit student. Textually based literary analysis is by definition something much open to debate and rigorous debate makes for much more interesting learning.

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Frontera Lupita's avatar

Thankfully you were born with the “question authority gene” (and their opinions that go along with the authority). Me, too. I feel it has served me quite well.

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A.M.'s avatar

I grew up thinking it was an American trait!

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alison's avatar

I learned that after reading John Perkins' Confessions of an Economic Hit Man. He describes the system very clearly.

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The Real Mary Rose's avatar

We have def all been MKUltra'ed. I am still processing the trauma from it. Sadly, most don't even realize they've been traumatized.

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Joanie Higgs's avatar

The entire covid hoax was traumatizing.

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Frontera Lupita's avatar

I don’t feel like I have been traumatized…maybe by my “family dysfunctional dynamic” which I’ve done a lot of work releasing, but I’ve tried not to take all the “fear porn propaganda” that has been seriously going on for over the past 20 plus years, into my psyche.

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The Real Mary Rose's avatar

Good for you!

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60Gigahertz2's avatar

I agree. To receive a high volume of thought form energy (positive and negative) and not be crushed under the weight of it... what an amazing challenge that must be.

I have also noticed that the psyop side of the legacy media's MK Ultra programs is going over the top more intensely than ever. I watched the truly awful movie "G20" and decided MGM/Jeff Bezos must be getting downright desperate to come up with that sad plot.

But they are letting us know what they are planning... G20 was a play to make crypto look like the answer to all our economic prayers... in preparation for the imposition of StableCoin and forced crypto-wallets for everyone - issued by the parasitic "fed" reserve central bank, and running on the FEDNOW blockchain digital train tracks.

Then Mr. Trump's handlers can "get rid of those old, slow banks."

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Dave's avatar

Jordan has made an utter ass of himself in allowing himself to become what amounts to being a paid shill for the State of Israel.

The clown suits and public weeping and obsession with largely irrelevant online trolls expose his incredible fragility.

He has lost an enormous number of fans over his pro Zionist posturing, and his recent appearance on Rogan, where he engaged in a pathetic display of hairsplitting and misdirection is further evidence of an imminent professional downfall, if not genuine psychological breakdown, of which he has had several since Covid, which he initially took the wrong stand on as well.

The bottom line is that he's a mess, but too ego driven and status conscious to course correct until he hits a metaphorical brick wall. Whether or not he recovers from that remains to be seen.

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neener's avatar

Too much time spent with Ben Shapiro....

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Simon Miles's avatar

Often I find it is the incidental details which give the game away. In this case, your observation about JP's two-toned suits is very apt Celia. They are kind of weird, from a fashion or cultural standpoint, but they are totally bizarre as an expression of personal presentation. He is deeply split, and he displays it. It reminds me of the Joker, but I have no idea where that metaphor leads.

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Dave's avatar

The suits really are a giant red flag, which he is incessantly waving in our faces, in the hope that someone will intervene and save him, either from himself, or his "benefactors".

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alison's avatar

You may well be very right. Compassion is called forth

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Renate Lindeman's avatar

Peterson is the court jester.

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montanaoutlaw's avatar

Aaaaaaaand here comes the attacks. Especially from the ones that declared their gratitude and love for the one man who threw caution to the wind, and posted all of his University lectures on YouTube for free. Because he was watching the young men of North America being kicked to the side by those who deemed them useless, and worse yet, toxic to society and undeserving of the slightest consideration.

And this is what he gets for his efforts, fair weather friends who turn on him like rabid dogs for the crime of being on the wrong side of a subject that has no bearing on their day to day lives.

And I am in no way talking about Celia here, I see the concern and care about Jordan's condition and the pressure he's carrying.

Which is what I think he deserves more than the denigrating, slanderous and hateful slurs I see whenever his name comes up. He gave and still gives without ever asking you for anything.

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Mel's avatar

Sorry, being termed “psychopathic” for speaking out against genocide in Gaza is not ‘giving’ anything to anyone, but more of his bs to mind-f anyone who disagrees with the one we cannot criticize. Benzo addicts like JP are disingenuous and sneaky. His mind is in a dark place.

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LadyM's avatar

Not to excuse Peterson for calling those who disagree with his political position "psychopathic", during the height of the Covid jab hysteria, Mate called those who did not choose to partake in the experimental gene therapy experiment -- people who had a psychological issue with "authority" figures, as opposed to adults who were making an informed medical decision for themselves. I like Mate but maybe living in Canada and having your medical care "taken care of" by the state, eventually warps even good minds?

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montanaoutlaw's avatar

"Benzo addicts like JP are disingenuous and sneaky."

So are narcissistic, sociopathic social media whores.

"Benzo addicts"

And just like that, there goes a man's obvious humanity in one uneducated, uninformed and bigoted statement. Just like the left does, woke right throws "benzo addicts" into a labeled box with no consideration who the individual is, or why the individual ended up addicted in the first place.

Addiction is classified as a DISEASE, like cancer. Addiction is in no way shape or form a MORAL SHORTCOMING. It reveals a lack of compassion and understanding that you claim to hold for Gaza victims and others. Like the woke left, you default to slandering and name calling instead of explaining why his position is wrong.

So, just like the woke left, you default to personal attacks and prove his very point.

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Mel's avatar

Oh, yes and JP is ALSO “a narcissistic, sociopathic media whore.” You said it. And you are correct. I know what “addiction” is. Doesn’t make what JP is any less true. He’s abominable in so many ways, too numerous to count. And his chickens are coming home to roost. Good!!!

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Edward Flynn's avatar

Superb comment.

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Justin's avatar

I think Jordan has "found religion", but I think internally there is a conflict between his head and his heart. Far be it from me to be able to discern his heart, having had a personal experience with Jesus Christ, and people seeing my faults/efforts from the outside. He DOES have a great deal of in-depth effort invested in various areas of the bible. It just feels like he can't step away from the intellectual aspect of it. But then again, there is plenty of depth to the bible, and people do things for reasons that may not always make sense, or that they do. And I think he latches on to that too much to enjoy the simplicity of the gospel message. And that might be a struggle - simplicity. It takes "letting go" and relying on faith. Again, I can't discern his faith. But perhaps it's his faith that makes him seem different, because followers of Jesus Christ ARE different than the world expects them to be, as it tries to hammer in to oblivion any notion of discipleship to Jesus, as opposed to what Satanists/globalists want.

I think that while Celia is a fabulous writer, she is stepping in to some areas that I personally find uncomfortable - predicting a meldown, and basing part of it on his suits. Incredibly smart people often have problems with current fashions, and some people simply don't care, or make it their "thing" - like some people with bowties.

He's already undergone a mental breakdown, and that's sad. He came back strong, and then had that signature "showdown" with Cathy Newman which demonstrated some pretty skilled debating (albeit with a (IMHO) dimwit fixated on feminism and signal virtues).

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Brian's avatar

I appreciate your thoughtful and respectful comment.

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Donna Ruth's avatar

Boom, Justin!

JP, it would seem, is caught between ivory-tower intellectual pride and surrendering to Jesus Christ. This has afflicted many an intellectual. They believe they need to reason and logic their way to God. This is all good - as far as it goes - but the full final step is to let God be God.

He is God of all: rich/poor; young/old; learned/uneducated; intelligent/simple. He made us all; He loves us all; He is equally available to us all. This must be so. He is God, a loving Father. Jesus is God; it was through Him that all things were made. The four Gospels scream Jesus is God. And Jesus asks that we come to Him as little children. With joy, surrender, trust, childlike eagerness, wonder, awe, lack of guile.

It is a blessing to be surrounded by young children and grandchildren who show us the way to childlike trust and wonder.

Excessive pride can be that dominating internal beast cramping our response. We may ask: How can this God be profoundly available to the unlearned and the simple at the same time He is available to me, the learned, sophisticated, intelligent one? The answer: He’s God, the architect of all. He knocks on all our doors. He waits. We must open the door, invite Him in, and come to Him as little children. We are not the measure of everything. He is.

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Older and Wiser's avatar

I say that if one keeps "finding oneself" and "finding about life" - that's a sign they are lost. I don't recall whom, but a wise man of long ago posed the question of "Why are you not comfortable with your thoughts that you feel the need to (often) express them?"

It might have been Kahlil Gibran but not sure.

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Deenzy's avatar

JP was a part of my journey to awakening, I was a big fan from 2016 and was gutted when he shit the bed so badly during the convid / lethal injection operations.

For a while I cut him some slack because of his illness but now I’ve fully awakened I can see him for what he was which was a minion of Big Evil. He sold his soul many years ago long before convid. That’s why he became so big so quickly. This literally can’t happen unless THEY own you

Maybe he did have a conscience wobble going in to the convid op & that’s what his illness was about. I think they poisoned him & his wife as a warning to get him back on script & they succeeded 100%

I hope the millions of shekels you took were worth the price of your soul Jordan

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Shona Duncan's avatar

Einstein was Zionist but he had his own thoughts when it came to Zionist terrorism.

Albert Einstein called Zionists FASCIST TERRORISTS against Jews and Arab Palestinians in a letter to the New York Times 4th December 1948.

https://archive.org/details/AlbertEinsteinLetterToTheNewYorkTimes.December41948/page/n1/mode/2up

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Celia Farber's avatar

All I know about Einstein is that he worked in a patent office in Switzerland that stole patents from Nicola Tesla. If that is correct.

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IgbyMac's avatar

... and his wife did many of his more complicated math calculations. If that is correct.

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Shona Duncan's avatar

I didn't know that. I do know that Trump's uncle got Nicola Tesla's papers and equipment, probably the time travel stuff if you watch this short video by Really Graceful. The White House has confirmed that time travel is indeed technology that exists.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIuYe3nygPY&t=4s

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doble graphent Roger W.'s avatar

I've been looking at JBP's natal chart. It's tremendously complicated, and eerie.

1 There are many planets in the Air element signs; those are associated with the mind.

2 Mercury retrograde. People with Mercury born during a Mercury retrograde are said to live with a different mental experience, which shows up immediately. Everyone notices it.

3 Gemini Sun, Taurus Rising and Libra Moon. Again, much air. Also, Venus is in the 4th house, which directs the attention there, because Taurus and Libra are related to Venus. Potentially, this can mean a case of sex related trauma (or several traumas) in the family.

4 The chart is definitely a Saturn dominant, and Aquarius signature. It's a night chart. Saturn in the 10th house can signify a notorious public life, full of controversy. And Aquarius in this case indicates a possibility of mental instability.

5 The 12th house is huge (>60º) and it intercepts Aries, but Mars is in the 12th house. This is a bad omen, in my opinion.

6 Finally, there is a huge Grand Square pattern involving Saturn, Mars, the North Node and Neptune. This is very difficult mentally and emotionally, mostly because of Neptune and Saturn.

After looking the chart, I think Peterson was selected since before he was born. It's very creepy. There's too much in that chart.

The day before his birth, three prisoners escaped from Alcatraz prison. A few days earlier, Eichmann was executed in Israel. Months later, the Cuban Missile crisis happened. What a year 1962!

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Celia Farber's avatar

Wow.

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Frontera Lupita's avatar

Ooh the astrological slant…Love it Miguelito! 😉💫

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Frontera Lupita's avatar

If one ascribes to this, we all ‘choose’ certain things to experience when “we come into this life”. And his chart reflects that. (And I see that your interest in astrology is a bit deeper than you let on.) 😉🤔

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doble graphent Roger W.'s avatar

Some charts present a bleak picture, and I like dark humor.

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Pearl's avatar

Can you share his birth data?

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doble graphent Roger W.'s avatar

I just searched the internet for it.

Well known people often have that kind of information out there.

June 12, 1962, 02:49 AM localtime in Edmonton, Canada. A thursday, but that's not important in astrology.

https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Peterson,_Jordan

It's weird so much precision in the time of birth. I think many countries just round up to multiples of five minutes, like 0, 5, 10, 15 and so on.

Maybe in some countries they really like precise measurments of time. I wouldn't be surprised if most birth certificates in Hispanic countries just say times like 12:00 or 12:30. What's so important about half an hour up or down, right?

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Pearl's avatar

Thanks for the birthtime - should have done the research myself - astro.com has so much.

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Pearl's avatar

Precise measurement of the time of birth is golden if you use progressions. Major events when the midheaven or ascendant is moving into aspect with a planet can be off by a year or more if the time is off 5 minutes. In my case the hospital said 12 20, my mother said 12 15 and after rectifying the chart with the events in my life, it is most likely 12 17.

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doble graphent Roger W.'s avatar

I don't use progressions because I like surprises.😂

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Pearl's avatar

I must say I’m always surprised by the actual outcome but I think it helps to have a frame of reference to dump that experience into - oh, yea, might have known - Pluto just conjuncted my Sun.

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Steve C's avatar

He is already broken

He was / is addicted to barbiturates

A sign that he went so far into his head and up his own ass. That the body was creating so much pain to get his attention he needed pain killers.

A shame , as he in an intelligent man, and at the heart of his arguments is a lot of truth and wisdom

Not once did I ever see him (or his opponents) try to understand each other. To read the room and reach inwards to their own hearts or the heart of the other

Helen Lewis almost went there , and I wish that she would interview him again. I fear that he is too far gone though , and such a pariah now. That she would not risk it tarnishing herself. Showing him any interest or compassion.

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LadyM's avatar

Not to defend him for other decisions, but I believe Peterson turned to barbiturates to try to alleviate his "pain", when his wife was diagnosed with kidney cancer in 2019 and initially told she had only months to live. I wouldn't call that a drug addict and he certainly had a reason to be "broken", at that time.

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Frontera Lupita's avatar

Even prescription drugs can cause drug dependence, that leads to addiction. And they are often harder to “kick” because they have “rewired” the brain in a way that heroin, alcohol, marijuana, or many other street drugs can do. At the root of all ‘addiction’ is the “need to mask the pain” of__________ (fill in the blank).

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LadyM's avatar

"Legal medicine" can be just as addictive and destructive as"illegal drugs" or "junk". Used properly and wisely, in dire circumstances, some can also be life saving or quality of life improving.

Peterson's experience with benzodiazepines and their problematic withdrawal process, did serve to educate the public and and provide a cautionary tale.

For anyone trying to withdraw safely from the dependence on psychotropic medication, there is a YouTube channel titled "Dr. Josef". He is a young psychiatrist from Australia who runs clinics helping people do that. It is called "Taper Clinic". He has a segment titled "Psychiatrist Reacts to Jordan Peterson's Benzo 'Addiction'".

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Frontera Lupita's avatar

You’re addressing the drugs and their benefits, but the core issue regarding ‘addiction’ is about the pain. The “pain” that needs “medicating” be it “physical, emotional or spiritual pain”. That’s at the core here.

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LadyM's avatar

I am addressing the benefits of drugs when dealing with an acute or temporary situation. Regarding a chronic situation which requires longer term or indefinite treatment, certainly it is safer and practical, to find other ways to deal with the source of that pain, if possible.

I don't want to judge or condemn those who feel that the only way to deal with their pain, whatever the source, is through medication. That may be the reality or not and it is up to the individual to make an informed choice for themselves using reliable information.

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Older and Wiser's avatar

I would add that if we are lost or broken, we need to assuage our own egos.

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IgbyMac's avatar

I've listened to Peterson spout so much nonsense on sundry topics where he is not personally versed. I admire his psychological insights (my own reliance on his 'expertise' in an area I know far less); but when he digresses into economics, geo-politics or jurisprudence, I quickly see that he is a babbling fool.

I belief this is because he consults with his trusted experts, also trained in the Zionist schooling system, and who do not do their own broader and deeper research. Again, its parroting all around, and it's a systemic appeal to authority.

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Marla's avatar

Remember Peterson was educated in the Pharma run world, so he turned to drugs when the going got tuff. Explains the covid narrative support also.

I’m not sure the suits are a sign of mis-alignment, but rather may be an expression of the inner aesthete.

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Amy Lynn, RDN's avatar

Great point about his fractured personality and the two-toned suits!

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Mark Harris's avatar

a mind divided against itself cannot withstand.

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shaktideva's avatar

One of my favorite interviews is Gabor Mate talking with Dr Stephen Porges on polyvagal theory and trauma. Vital information. I’d heard Gabor denounce the destruction of Gaza and also heard Peterson recently ranting at Candace Owens for presumably her stand on Gaza. Praying Peterson takes your words to heart and practices some vagal pacifying yoga poses. He’s got to let off some steam which might give him insight and humble his hubris.

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Older and Wiser's avatar

I have read Mate'. I homed-in on Mate' statement about inflammation - from trauma. What about the reverse?

At the age of 28, I knew nothing about "PSYCHO-therapy" but I knew a young clinical psychologist that I dated briefly. So I tried 3 sessions just to see what it was about. Four years later, I had attended EVERY week, 2 1hr individual sessions and 2 1 & 1/2 hr GROUP sessions. Best thing and toughest thing I ever did.

So about inflammation. THE worst thing that nearly all people do - almost every day - is they inflame their body including their brain ALL THRU THE NIGHT from having eaten too late. Specifically, the science proven by Dr Satchin Panda (Salk Inst around 2016) is that if one has "excess circulating glucose (ECG)" in the blood as the sun sets, that ECG will not be removed until the next morning - after awakening and about an hour after being exposed to light- AND it causes terrible inflammation continuously unabated all thru the night. How long it takes for one night of inflammation to heal, I don't know from science yet. But experientially I say it's days to weeks - for one night to heal. And the brain is not protected, per science, "against inflammation coming VIA THE BLOOD."

So one has to ask how much does that inflammation contribute to mental health issues which are pervasive but eating late is pervasive and eating sugars and carbs and even meats - which contribute significantly to ECG - are pervasive.

If I could go back in time and had to choose between going through 4 years of 4 sessions of therapy PER WEEK OR learning about not eating late (the above) and stopping eating too close to sundown, it's an easy choice based on my holistic experiences for years now of not eating late. I would choose to not eat late and skip the therapy.

IN the little known ancient papyrus documents, "The Essene Gospel of Peace" (there are two of them that are now 2,000 years old and proven by science to be from the 1st C.E. AD and the Palestine area, Christ talked about not eating after sunset. Specifically our first meal is to be "with the sun at its highest" (hmm - interesting) and the 2nd (final) meal with the setting of the sun. Note Christ was a pure UNCOOKED vegetarian so low in glucose. When He was asked how should we eat, in his response He said "Your life is in your blood so chew your (plant) food until it is liquid so that the life of the plant more easily assimilates with your life."

I say that all of the psycho-therapy one can participate in cannot overcome the psychological/emotional damage from inflammation from eating too late. But of course that assessment is not approved by the American Psychological Association :)

My blood pressure last night and this morning was around 101 over 50 and a pulse of 56. I am about to go run 9 miles but that will be after I play a round of golf - at age 73. That's what God's normal health looks like IF we follow Christ's wisdom of not eating late and eating primarily uncooked vegetables/plants nearly exclusively. I tell people "We don't know what normal is. It's been purposefully kept from us our entire lives - by 'experts'".

To YOUR health - both physical and mental.

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Frontera Lupita's avatar

Hola Older and Wiser! 😉👋🏼

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Antti Heikkilä's avatar

Celia you are 100% right. Peterson has become a master of everything.

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