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Sandra quotes sources stating RFK Jr. was controlled op for saying "pandemic" was "mismanaged." Have we dispelled this? If so, might this one be put to rest? Those who have "promoted" this deception, who are they and who do they work for?

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Apr 15, 2023·edited Apr 15, 2023

"When RFK Jr. Details Finding 20 Plus CIA Led Simulations Like Event 201 In Hillsdale Talk and COUNTLESS Interviews... How Does An Argument STILL Linger that he "promotes" the idea that "the pandemic was mismanaged."

Well, obviously RFK Jr speaking about the CIA simulations like Event 201 is a good thing- nobody disputes that. Though everyone should be aware of that by now, I'm sure that's not the case, so reviewing that is certainly a positive and will hopefully spread the word that this was gamed out in advance.

But in my view he still plays both sides because even in that clip he says there was a coronavirus was already circulating a month before in Wuhan. How does he know this? Did they have the bogus PCR ready to go, or as Rappoport says, people were always getting sick with lung problems in due to the toxic air pollution in Wuhan and they weren't even testing people and simply declaring that people having pneumonia was diagnostic of the new virus.

And on this "How Does An Argument STILL Linger that he "promotes" the idea that "the pandemic was mismanaged"?

Well because that's the lead, framing chapter of his book.

"Can we all agree that this is not RFK’s position, regardless of what the title of a book chapter was that he wrote 3 years ago?"

Oh, we're supposed to ignore that chapter now because his position has somehow changed? But has it changed? I didn't see that in the clip you posted. Again, great that he acknowledges the simulations, but also in that clip he's still promoting the idea that there was a virus that was already circulating in Wuhan.

In the chapter McDowell reviewed, he called for "early treatment for people who test positive and have no symptoms." So, it seems like he's playing into the false notion that the PCR test was a valid test rather than a bogus test that was driving this entire fake pandemic (PCR false positive pseudopandemic as Dr. Mike Yeadon and others have called it). And he's playing into the false notion that those who had NO symptoms at all but tested positive on the bogus test needed treatment (for what?). And by implication (saying that asymptomatic people needed treatment), he also seems to be playing into the idea that being asymptomatic people were still somehow "cases," which again is was part of the massive fraud played on humanity and how they were able to pull this off.

Has he changed that stance? I honestly don't know because I don't have time to follow everything he or anyone else has said on this, so if he has called out the fraudulent PCR test, please let me know. I would honestly be very happy to hear that he has called out the bogus PCR, and the fraudulent case and death counts it created, as well as the lies about asymptompatic transmission.

Honestly, RFK Jr.'s stance all this entire pseudopandemic has been rather mind boggling. In my view, he seems to play both sides in that he acknowledges the simulation and pre-planning, but then treats the pandemic as real and in fact also promotes the gain of function nonsense and the lab leak theory, all of which only play into the hands of the ruling elite who are using this as justification for setting up their WHO pandemic treaty and amendments to International Health Regulations.

Though I did not read his entire book, I read Ron Unz's extensive review, where he says that RFK Jr. devoted maybe 200 pages to the HIV/AIDS scam and portrays it as a "media hoax" (Unz's words), yet he still treats covid as a real pandemic and cannot see they literally played the same exact tricks (bogus testing, 24/7 fear porn, etc). (But Unz also has that same stance--sees what RFK Jr says about HIV/AIDS being a media hoax, but also believe covid was a real pandemic, so maybe some people just have trouble seeing this is literally the same playbook).

And I know that RFK Jr. did a recent interview with Dennis Rancourt, who has data demonstrating that the entire pandemic was an illusion. Though I can't remember his exact point, but I think along the lines of what Yeadon said "you can't have a lethal plague sweeping the land, and have it not show up in the data." Though I did not finish the interview, others who did said RFK Jr. seemed to struggle with the evidence Dennnis was presenting.

"This is an experiment to see if anybody ever admits they are mistaken."

Okay, so if I (and others) have a different view of RFK, Jr, and have concerns about him promoting the idea that there really was a virus and a pandemic, then we are "mistaken."

Wow!!

Well, regardless, I still have concerns about him or anyone else who promotes that this was a real pandemic and that there was a gain of function virus that leak from Wuhan because that plays right into the hands of those plotting this whole psyop as a pretext for ushering in the Great Reset and the global tyranny. All of these lies about there being a fake pandemic and lab leaks out of Wuhan are being used as justification for the WHO pandemic treaty, which is basically a global coup d'etat.

"Those who have "promoted" this deception, who are they and who do they work for?"

Again, wow!!

So, if anyone has a different view of RFK Jr. it's a "deception" and they must be "working for someone"??

Well there are lots of us in the no-virus camp who see things this way--I believe that the only way out of this nightmare is the full and total truth. There was never any new virus, they simply hijacked the flu, seasonal colds, and feeling fine, and called everything covid based on their fraudulent PCR test. In my view, until we call out the massive fraud, bogus test, bogus case counts, bogus death counts, deliberate mass murder etc. this will only continue. They will continue creating their fake pandemics and they will do this all over again.

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Amen sister!

I've pointed out before that there seems to be a concerted effort among the very well established and very well paid pro-virus/anti-vaxx camp to discredit those of us in the where's-the-virus/anti-vaxx camp. As you alluded, even Dr. Yeadon is coming around to our side. The list of illustrious doctors who now question germ theory is rapidly growing.

A handful of very influential people are using viral fear to control that masses while making billions in the process - which makes the lack of science proving viruses exist a very inconvenient truth.

Thought you might enjoy my 2021 conversation with Dr. Cowan -

https://secularheretic.substack.com/p/interview-with-dr-tom-cowan-4a9

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Thanks, I'll check it out. Yes, I think Dr. Mike Yeadon has come around to our side completely. I'm pretty sure he has said there was never a new virus and no longer believe in respiratory viruses. I actually followed his twitter throughout this nightmare and have a file of his best tweets--he repeatedly called it a PCR false positive pseudopandemic and said all we had to do to made covid go away was to stop the testing and it would disappear by morning. And I think that's the message that needs amplifying. We need to be calling out the massive fraud. I think Sucharit Bhakdi also called it a PCR false positive pseudopandemic too--I have his book and the title was "False Alarm."

Yes, I saw a recent video with Dr. Sam Bailey where she also alluded to the fact that the movement (questioning the virus) was growing and going "international." So that's good. And I know that Dr. Roger Hodkinson initially called it a hoax (so did Dr. Ron Paul), but it seems like some then shift their position. I'm not quite clear on where Dr. Hodkinson stands, but I noticed that Dr. Ron Paul's Campaign for Liberty sent out something about the "lab leak," which I think is not helpful because it basically endorses their narrative and supports the agenda of the WHO treaty.

Anyway, I'll check out the Dr. Tom Cowan interview--thanks!

And here's more on what's going on with the WHO:

https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/what-you-are-not-being-told-about-outrageous-plans-to-give-the-who-power-over-your-life/

"We cannot stand by while outrageous monopoly powers over public health are given away to the WHO. We have been warned by Biden that ‘a second pandemic is coming’. The proposed amendments to the International Health Regulations, as well as the Pandemic Accord, are being sold to us as improving future pandemic responses, when in reality they would lead to the same mistakes as seen during Covid being made all over again."

The above is why I believe we must call out the ENTIRE FRAUD. Going along with their narrative, that there really was a pandemic, does not help us. They are simply going to do this over and over again.

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Yup, it looks like the UK is about to take the death leap with the WHO. Thanks brexit.

How would you feel about sending me the file you have on Yeadon's best tweets? If you don't want to do so in this forum you could send it in a comment to one of my posts. If I use the information I can credit you if you wish.

No problem if you don't feel comfortable doing this.

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Here's Dr. Mike Yeadon on the WHO and the amendments to the IHR:

The Proposed Amendments to the International Health Regulations Effectively Make WHO a World Dictator – Dr. Michael Yeadon

Please share this simple yet powerful note. Let it not be something most people learn about only after the WHO has declared a PHEIC.

https://lionessofjudah.substack.com/p/the-proposed-amendments-to-the-international

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And I think here in the US we are in trouble with the WHO pandemic treaty/international Health Regulations amendments --apparently the US representative to the WHO has submitted edits to give them even more tyrannical power even when there is no emergency (so you can see where all of this is going). Also, I think Sen Ron Johnson tried to do something about this, like tried to propose a bill requiring the WHO pandemic treaty to be ratified (or some other word) by the Senate. Of course this was voted down by the Democrats, who are completely captured by Soros (front man for the Rothschild bankers).

Anyway, on Yeadon's tweets. I still have the file, but it is huge and I'm not technically savvy at all. So, if you have suggestions. Like if you want to post your email temporarily, so I can see it and then delete it. Then I could just send it to you that way. Let me know.

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Thank you for your comments Sandra.

I agree with you.

Everything needs to be on the table. Covidianism cannot be validated in any way if we want this to really transform.

Could you send it to me too?

eileenllorens@protonmail.com

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Maybe so, but something was making people sick. That something appeared and still appears to spread among people in close contact. Not sure how that can be disputed. Whatever it is, it is real. 102 temps for 18 hours isn’t normal, and weird after effects to vision, hearing, stability, clarity of thought, et al can’t be shrugged off as environmental. If it isn’t a virus that spreads, what is it? Occum’s Razor might conclude that it is a pathogen and it is a new one because most everyone had it regardless of jab performance. I contend that it was and is real and it comes from humans messing around with nature at a sub-cellular level. We have a Ft Detrick for a reason. The world has an exploding number of bio labs for ‘research’ for reasons as well.

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The responsibility for proof does not lie with those who question it, it lies with those who are making the claim. Show me the virus.

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I think you missed the question, whether by choice or oversight: "If it isn’t a virus that spreads, what is it?" This is an absolutely key question, and needs answering. I cannot answer it - can you? All I have is this: https://mega.nz/file/9kgXyIbY#AmRykmU_5vv9VtZ411NtGFE5zENUPLiF_PIZRVcw0qA

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The only thing that spreads is fear and stupidity. As long as you keep it factual the idea of transmission falls flat on its face.

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Hiya, you assume that something spreads? there's only anecdotal evidence from people under the same emotional and seasonal stresses having detox symptoms at the same time, no experimental observation of 'spread'. Certainly covid didn't 'spread' https://georgiedonny.substack.com/p/seeing-is-believing

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I agree with that and add this - https://secularheretic.substack.com/p/emfs-5g-vaccines-the-real-causes

Then there is the little understood signals from one human to the next, similar to a trees in a forest sending out signals to each other to crank up an immune response because a beetle infestation is underway. We really know so very little. However, within the material realm, viruses are highly profitable so they win the day. I find it interesting how many people claim religiosity and never consider disease being caused by non-physical, spiritual factors.

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Well said.

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Thank you!

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Very well stated...appreciate your point of view...as I am evolving into the camp that there never was a ‘virus’ per se, but what did ‘they’ do to jack up the usual cold & flu season? I know I was ‘sick’ with a flu like illness in May of 2022 (did not get the Jab) that lasted for three weeks.

I went through ‘stages’ each week that were quite different than any cold & flu I had had in the past. Also I became ‘sick’ after having lunch with my niece & a shirt tail relative (my niece’s grandmother) that had recently got a Covid booster shot. The grandmother became ill and tested ‘positive’ on a PCR test. A few days later I got ‘sick’ and didn’t need to use a PCR test to tell me that I was sick. (I had not had the flu in 14 years!) So I still wonder what caused my three week ‘sickness’?

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I honestly have no idea what could have caused your three week illness, but I know for myself, there have been some times in the past when I've gotten a flu-like illness and it was when I was under severe stress. Everyone is different. Though if you are saying you got sick after being around someone who had recently gotten a booster shot, well that's definitely interesting. I've heard of that before. I actually have an unvaxxed friend who was around a bunch of vaxxed family members and he ended up getting very sick. So I've heard it's possible that people who have been vaxxed are shedding something, but I'm not sure anyone knows what. As for you evolving into the camp that that there was never a new virus, I highly recommend Jon Rappoport's blog--he's absolutely brilliant and such a clear thinker and writer. And lately he's been posting his "greatest hits" on covid. I was going to give you a link to his site, but for some reason I cannot connect to it (maybe it is temporarily down). Here's Rappoport's twitter and from there you can try the link to his site (maybe it will be back up tomorrow) https://twitter.com/jonrappoport Rappoport is honestly my favorite--he knows all of their tricks. I'm also a big fan of Dr. Sam Bailey--she tends to do videos rather than post articles.

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Oh, wow, thank you so much for that link--very interesting!!!

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Yes, RFK Jr. here is a believer in -- or at the very least, a regurgitator of -- the Mainstream Narrative about Covid (that there was a horrible "pandemic" that killed people all over the world, and that we unproblematically know all those deaths were "from Covid" etc etc etc. ). Either he's controlled opposition or he hasn't grasped the deep problem & paradox of trusting the Mainstream's word on the Narrative while at the same time opposing it. Similar problem with Dr. Malone and his colleagues.

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Sorry, but no; RFK Jr still seems to think that--despite his recognition of all the evil ppl running around doing evil things in its name-- the pandemic of a deadly virus is REAL. McDowell points out that nobody has proven yet that there IS a deadly virus, ANY deadly virus, that even using good stuff (ivermectin, etc.) to treat ASYMPTOMATIC PPL is wrong & insidious (because you can't "test positive" for something nobody has proven to exist--you know, like testing ppl for HIV on the erroneous assumption that if they "test positive" they'll develop AIDS).

SO--if one is in business of promoting "deadly viruses", RFK Jr is still going to be an ally, perhaps the best of allies, as he so passionately & ingenuously supports the notion of the deadly virus, for which SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE (something BESIDES turning off the propaganda, and/or the 5G).

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Apr 15, 2023·edited Apr 15, 2023Author

I thought what we were trying to get to the bottom of what whether RFK Jr. thinks:

a. Covid was "mismanaged"

b. Covid was a well and long planned OP.

"Virus" or not is separate.

I believe in letting people take the time they need to arrive at deeper and deeper 'truths' and as Teresa says, Mr. Kennedy has a very good track record of becoming aware of something massive he was not previously aware of.

AIDS is but one example.

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Part of the psy-op is convincing people there was a deadly pandemic (and will be more in the future). One can't claim to be exposing that psy-op while at the same time reinforcing one of its main components.

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"Mr. Kennedy has a very good track record of becoming aware of something massive he was not previously aware of."

And yet he still continues to promote the global warming (renamed climate change because the warming fizzled out), even though it is now obvious to all that the climate change hoax is a key component of the Great Reset and is going to be used as justification for building a digital slave grid around humanity. And as of 3 months ago, he was still promoting it.

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Yes, that is one area I have a dispute with Kennedy. Before he was on vaccines he was pushing wind & solar scams that only worsen emissions while pushing energy costs sky high. But unfortunately most on the left wing (even the true left, not neoliberals) have bought into that scam, being almost all of them technologically illiterate.

The CORRECT way to see it is he is doing a WONDERFUL job of splitting off the true left (i.e. Jimmy Dore, Russel Brand, Matt Taibbi, Glen Greenwald) from the Neoliberal cronies. And with that he is driving the RINOs & Neocons to expose themselves even further as being in an alliance with the Neoliberals.

This is all to the benefit of Populists. Think STRATEGICALLY not Idealistically.

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Jimmy Dore thinks George Washington was a terrorist. If that's the "true Left" I don't want any part of them.

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Sound like bull to me. Jimmy Dore is right on most things. Taking one point out of context and then declaring someone persona-non-Grata because of it is pathetic. By that standard the only person you would want any part of is yourself.

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RFK2:

Holds a radical unscientific opposition to nuclear power, hydroelectric energy and hydrogen cars. Supported Al Gore, Hilary Clinton, Obama. 1

1 Jan 2023. He kept pushing the error that “carbon now poses an existential threat to our planet”... “a suicide pact for humanity and the planet.” “Pharma convinces the public that the autism epidemic is an illusion. Big Tobacco swears smoking doesn’t cause cancer. Monsanto convinces us that glyphosate is harmless. Similarly, Big Oil and King Coal go to great lengths to persuade us that carbon doesn’t heat the planet.” 2

He needs to read this:

Green communism sucked 200 trillion from taxpayers:

https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/best-scientific-sources-to-debunk

https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/killing-me-softly-with-green-songs

https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/carbon-reparations

https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/climate-deaths

For him, any collusion is just “regulatory capture” with money corruption by corporations, not planned genocide.

Even if the believes that both JFK and RFK had been murdered in a conspiracy, he is still clueless about the freemason authors.

After cheating with 37 women in 2001 only, though with “guilt” about his “lust demons” 3, filing for divorce 2010 and keeping custody of their 4 children, his second “wife” hanged herself in 2012.4 In his memoir, Kennedy writes that as he recovered from his drug and alcohol vices, he “became determined to clear up the wreckage of battered relationships that lay in the wake of my addiction.” 5

There seems to be no records on his stance on abortion using different search engines.

He might be right about the weaponization of vaccines, the danger of CBDCs, the corruption in the US Government and corporations, but if he is pro-abortion he’d be as responsible for genocide as the ones he accuses… same as his voters.

He is still not up to the task:

The full PLAN exposed:

https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/the-plan-revealed

Gates-WHO: vaccines can’t reduce population, except by murdering

Proof: they were never for reducing mortality, only for murdering!

https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/depop-vaccines-no-myth

The threat of the WHO sovereignty-grab by the 2023 IHR and 2024 International PLANdemc Treaty: we’ve got until November 2023 for Congress to repeal IHR modifications!

https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/the-threat-of-the-international-plandemic

Will Tedros EVER go to JAIL?

https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/will-tedros-ever-go-to-jail

30 Spike Protein Treatments (COVID+Vx)

https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/covid-treatments

The SUPER drug

Treats 25 viruses, cancer, multiple sclerosis, SPS....

https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/the-super-drug

The REAL COVID timeline:

It’s Bio-BOMB, like the vx, not what you were drilled

https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/the-real-covid-timeline

Bio-BOMB, not “vaccine”, not “gene-therapy”

This 5th gen war, includes a war on semantics.

https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/not-vaccine-not-gene-therapy-just

What do bioweapons have to do with the Department of Energy?

Anybody answering these questions PLEASE ? !!!

https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/what-do-bioweapons-have-to-do-with

How to turn the AI into a COVIDIOT:

https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/how-to-turn-ai-into-a-covidiot

The 2020 and 2022 rigged and stolen elections (it’s the machines!):

https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/the-2020-american-coup

https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/david-rockefeller-illuminati

J6: what THEY don't want YOU to know

The fake riot was mason-planned, incited and guided by FBI agents, who broke into the Capitol !!!

https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/j6-what-you-need-to-know

Are we crazy to accept demo-crazy?

https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/democracy-democrazy

It sucks! We need to improve democracy… how about REAL democracy?

https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/reinventing-democracy

Open season for human culling:

https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/electro-quakes

https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/balloon-attack

https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/satattack

https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/toxic-spraying

https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/water-poisoning-they-drink-perrier

https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/the-myocarditis-mammoth-in-the-er

https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/war-on-mothers-and-babies

https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/adenovirus-covid-vaccines-caused

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Is this really supposed to be a defense of RFK Jr? Because, personally, I think he means well, is basically a good guy, & can learn.

However, one might as well discuss whether containment of The Tooth Fairy was managed well or mismanaged; whether The Tooth Fairy suddenly became deadly & "public health experts" contained it successfully, or whether the Tooth Fairy became deadly due to long-range planning. And whether one is talking about CoVID, or the Tooth Fairy, or sudden extraordinary severe respiratory illness caused by something else, then "well-managed" means that ppl stopped dying from that particular problem, yes? What if--as Firstenberg suggests in THE INVISIBLE RAINBOW--a sudden leap in the electrification of the planet always ends up in a lot of sudden, hitherto-inexplicable deaths from severe respiratory illness, but the dying from those symptoms dwindles over the space of a couple of years, w/out any "public health measures" at all? Not that many public health officials are likely to ascribe to that, if that places their job in jeopardy. Nor will anyone else who has something else to sell: face masks, quackcines, Plexiglass, respirators, hospital beds, etc.

IMHO RFK Jr.& other attorneys, e.g. David E. Martin,Thos. Renz might be confused by laws which have been passed which imply the existence of virology. E.g., the law against funding gain-of-function research which, if I understand this correctly, suggests that germs can be made more virulent & cause pandemics if someone tinkers with them enough. If there's a law against that, it must be real, right? Meanwhile, there's no law against going around w/ a smartphone in your pants pocket.... Plus the inherent respect which professionals seem to have for other professionals, never suspecting that the institutions which put their fellow-professionals through so many years of higher education (& at such outrageous expense!) might not be completely on the up-and-up. "Veritas," indeed.

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Celia,

There has been more than a few people that wrote to RFK jr about this. The evidence is overwhelming with 121 years of failed transmission studies and 70 years of failed "isolation" control studies. RFK jr's deceptive ways and unbelievably meticulous political game of beating around the bush has been coming for YEARS, even before the plandemic kicked off. No one can ignore the fact that it is unbelievably easy to understand and perhaps the greatest truth that would rid us of this circus you seem to want to perpetuate for an eternity.

His response to courtenay's email as follows:

"Dear Courtenay, I don’t take a position on this issue and I don’t have the bandwidth to make myself an expert. As a lifelong advocate,I also understand the strategic pitfall of taking a position,even if it is technically correct ,that will marginalize one so badly that one will become ineffective on every other issue. Lincoln always abhorred slavery but he did not publicly oppose it until 1864 when the country had caught up with him. If he had endorsed emancipation earlier, he would’ve lost most of his support for the civil war among urban whites in the northern cities and slavery would have never ended. Timing and a sense of the public pulse are important to successful advocacy. I do not take a position that viruses do or don’t exist. I support the rights of people like you and Tom Cowan to argue that they do not and I listen to your arguments with interest. But I do not endorse either point of view for the two reasons that I mentioned above. I admire your courage and your intellectual integrity and I encourage you to continue educating the public."

Mary from CHD respond to this truth - https://www.bitchute.com/video/8cvqGBIxHU5j/

More and more people are seeing this truth and your attempt at damage control is laughable at best. Especially if it can be found that RFK jr himself has called you “my brilliant researcher Celia Farber.”

Please try harder in the future because this article was a total failure.

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RFK Jr.: "I do not take a position that viruses do or don’t exist." Despite that neutral stance, 99%+ of the bandwidth of CHD is premised on the existence of viruses and all of the baggage that comes with that.

If he wanted the truth, he would dig into virology, it's pretty shallow, it wouldn't take much 'bandwidth'.

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More than that. "I dont take a position" is wildly disingenuous and befitting a future politician. You cannot have 90 percent of the content on your website pushing a virus existence narrative, and less than 1 percent giving any air to the no virus side of the debate, and claim that you dont take a position. You may not talk about it explicitly but if your own website promotes a position overwhelmingly, that is your position!!

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Exactly Brian,

I have spent hours trying to simplify this for everyone. It is not my profession and it did not take much to blow this entire profession out of the water. 120 years of failed transmission studies and failed isolation controls for as long as the isolation process has been in use kind of speaks for itself (https://dpl003.substack.com/p/virology-the-damning-evidence). Everything falls flat when people see this. The pandemic, vaccines, pharma's petrochemical based poisons... and it is really not difficult.

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"...not difficult", except for the cognitive dissonance.

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I agree with what I think you're saying, by now everyone will have looked into it, those who haven't joined no viurs no pandemic must have financial, political or other reasons not to

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Whether you label it a virus or a bioweapon, it was something that caused illness, an illness that for many was very different than any flu experienced in a lifetime. Yes, the PCR testing was bogus. Yes, numbers of ill with this thing were grossly exxagerated. We do mot onow if something was released on the people. We do know the shots are harmful. I do not know whether we will ever get the full truth about what has occurred and is occurring. However this infoghting and quibbling among different factions in the resistance movement is not helpful. Perhaps this infighting is what has been manipulated to weaken the reistance. Who knows. Just know that that is a known tactic.

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Good points Julie. For all we know, the people pushing the “No virus exists” line are the controlled opposition, trying to divide the resistance into smaller factions who spend so much time fighting each other that we lose sight of the real enemy.

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The people that says this are the people to lazy to sit and do the back work to see the truth for themselves. Either that or you are paid to push a narrative.

120 years of failed transmission studies and 70 years of failed controls for an isolation procedure that is 70 years old is more than enough evidence to prove the profession of virology as pseudoscience and anyone having the desire to perpetuate the virus lie lazy intellectuals or gatekeepers.

There is no virus. Simple as that. If you have evidence of the contrary then provide it, else you are basing your decisions on an assumption and directing people based on ignorance.

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So if there was no virus there was still something causing a strange illness no matter what you want to call it.

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No one dispute the fact that people experience dis-ease. Not even sure how you would gather that from my comment. What is disputed is the fact that a virus is not the origin of dis-ease.

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Now you've opened up the "double agent/triple agent/etc." rabbit hole. What that distracts from is the flimsiness of anecdotal evidence about people who may well be susceptible to a mass event of psychosomatic power of suggestion when they insist "I had something that wasn't an ordinary flu, I tell you!!!" That's certainly not sufficient to countervail the mountain of red flags on the other end of the scale.

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On this: "people who may well be susceptible to a mass event of psychosomatic power of suggestion" the article below seems to speak to that to some degree (fear can trigger "psychosomatic contagion"). Also, one of the whistleblower nurses at Elmhurst Hospital said that many of the people were there because they had panic attacks.

Fear of Terrorist Attack Could Trigger Mass Psychogenic Illness

https://www.scribd.com/doc/124487553/Dhs-Mass-Psychogenic-Illness-2006#

Medical officials determined the episode was a case of psychosomatic contagion—mass psychogenic illness—brought on by anxiety over Russian military activities in the area. There is no evidence the illnesses were caused by chemical weapons

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Very interesting, thanks!

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So, I also thought it might be just psychosomatic until I got the thing and it was an illness different from anything I have ever experienced. The closest thing was my experience with Lyme. And the fatigue after was different from the flu- getting out of breath so easily for months and so weak. I am still not completely back to my pre illness strength and it has been almost a year. And no, I did not get the jab. My theory is that both Lyme and this thing are from man made bioweapons. But it is just a theory. We all know who our enemy is and it is most important for us to not devolve into infighting - thinking that any little misstep or false statement makes someone controlled opposition. But likely someone could now say that of me for my comment. We must be aware and not make idols of anyone but we also need each other.

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No doubt about it. That's a standard CIA "poisoning the well" strategy. Undoubtedly most are just useful idiots, got suckered in to join one of the CIA's disinformation narratives.

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You do realize that the "no virus exists "line is Celia's stance (or at least it used to be, perhaps she changed that).

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OK, SOMETHING caused extraordinary cases of ARDS in some locations. SOMEBODY OUGHT to find out what exactly it was that caused that.

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Fear alone is high on the list of possibilities.

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...though surely not before Fauci, etc. got on TV & told us we SHOULD be afraid.

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They do know it was caused by the bio-engineered virus, combined with no preventative medicine (i.e. zinc, Vit D) and the worst treatment in hospital (Remdesivir and no steroids). The CIA even infected a high portion of Iran's senior leadership early in the Plandemic.

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Who exactly are these "they" you speak of, so Christine Massey can send them FOIA requests--unless she already has: https://www.fluoridefreepeel.ca/68-health-science-institutions-globally-all-failed-to-cite-even-1-record-of-sars-cov-2-purification-by-anyone-anywhere-ever/

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Quit pretending you have any connection to science or the scientific method whatsoever. You are a disinformation propagandist, doing the CIA's bidding. Your "virus purification" is just nonsensical garbage, I'll let Steve Kirsch explain:

https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/if-viruses-dont-exist-then-how-can:

"...Instead, they are misled into thinking that because they claim that “no virus particle has been isolated” based on the dictionary definition of isolation (instead of the virology definition), that that is proof that viruses don’t exist.

Further, they require that the isolated particles are used to infect “test subjects” which I assume are lab animals. But it’s a human virus. So why are we testing it on lab animals? We won’t be able to get an IRB to approve infecting humans. And infecting humans is hard and would require a huge quantity of virions to achieve success; very likely more virions than can be successfully harvested and preserved for the experiment.

"...Even worse, they require each test subject to have identical sickness. Virology requires no such thing. My wife and I are completely different. We have different immune systems. I’m male, she’s female. We have different immune histories. We have different health issues. She got COVID first and lost her taste. I picked it up from her, and didn’t lose my taste. So this proves virology doesn’t exist?!?! ..."

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Everything you said.

Truth when you hear it read it whatever makes sense. Deception not so much.

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Why are people not spending more time up in arms about the health impacts of the LCP, midazolam and deliberate dehydration of vulnerable, elderly people separated from the protection of their loved ones, which accounted for most if not all of the 'covid' deaths, median age 83, in England and Wales in 2020 https://georgiedonny.substack.com/p/seeing-is-believing

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Jill, I don't know if you're right or wrong:

However, even with defects, RFK is the best choice available.

If he's not a candidate, I'm not voting for Tweedle-Dee or Tweedle-Dum.

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You may be right about RFK Jr. being the best choice available; that is beside the point (MY point, anyway). Though since you brought up elections, I'd like to point out that nobody DECENT is going to "get elected" UNLESS the votes get counted accurately; and with the track record of the past 20 years, the chances of that happening are, IMHO, extremely poor: http://www.thepolemicist.net/2016/09/strike-vote.html

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Sadly, Jill is correct. Black box voting is obviously corrupt to the core. The fact that our “electeds” continue to do nothing about it despite the overwhelming evidence, tells you all you need to know.

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—I'd like to point out that nobody DECENT is going to "get elected"

I could not agree more strongly.

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Winning isn't everything.

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But it would be nice once in a while in this country ruled by crooks, liars, and psychopaths.

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Maybe; but if the good guys lose, it will be BECAUSE we all went out & voted FOR them but our votes got flipped to their opponents.

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thank you for repeatedly repairing the unravelling tendencies among comments; as with the initial quotation from RFK, jr.,

“A lot of life is about trying to turn bad experiences into something good. Usually if you work at it, you can figure out a way to do it. Even our worst misfortunes are gifts.”

and your own previous and vivid variation on it:

"so what [if]he has some blind spots. Don't you see that our errors become our lanterns? There is such a thing as a fruitful error. Haven't you noticed people who just know it all are like death? RFK Jr. has a strong track record of allowing NEW information to CHANGE his mind."

you are helping us commit to thinking and to thinking imaginatively; essential, as I see it, for the supporters of RF's candidacy, if it is to mean what he intends by ii, according to my understanding of that extraordinary address to the audience at Hillsdale College ( which I just listened to twice, and will listen again when I have company in doing so )

a track record indeed ! of willingness not only to change his mind on the basis of persuasive new evidence but the openness to receiving that evidence: the papers stacked on his doorstep by the Minnesota woman who knocked at his door, and announced her intention to stay until he had read them . . . !

I would say, rather than arguing about what we should be demanding of him, let's individually and collectively ask how we can contribute to the meaningfulness of this extraordinary campaign

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That's true but every time they are forced to use blatant election fraud to prevent that from happening they are exposing themselves. And this time they will really piss off people on the left as well as having already done that to those on the right. Common knowledge, that is the goal. We need it to become common knowledge that the system is completely corrupted. Once that happens, the revolution will begin.

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I stand behind anyone who asks questions about everything that’s been going on the past 3 years and long before that as well. But I also have to ask what’s the benefit of attacking so many others who are not asking the same questions I may have.

Rather than harping on what’s wrong with this picture maybe we need to be exploring how we are going to clean this mess up. By pointing fingers and causing polarization, we aren’t helping ourselves and we certainly aren’t doing any service to those who have become victims of this evil plot to ruin our planet. Is it possible to just look up to the ones we know we can trust? I feel that the coming times are going to be shaky for us all. The only thing left will the truth. In the meantime let’s keep our eyes, ears, minds and hearts open. That’s all we can do.

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JJ COUEY IS WORKING WITH RFK

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Yes, his infectious clone theory is very compelling. Followed JJ since JR Nyquist mentioned Jay’s YouTubes on twitter in 2020 when he was “J C on a Bike.” Excellent thinker and teacher. I support his lessons on twitch: https://m.twitch.tv/videos/1792125377

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Wish I found him sooner……

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I don't know who, where or how "the virus isn't real" got started. The idea is nonsense, akin to "Chem trails" "the government did 911" & such.

Trying to explain basic concepts of even mildly technical subjects to certain types is not fruitful.

Do I trust the government or media in general? Absolutely not.

It's all so tiresome. Sometimes all I can do is laugh.

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I thought that (no virus) was also Celia's position. I know it was on HIV. Perhaps that has changed.

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Sandra: I take the position these Neo-spectral "viruses" do not "exist" as biological entities. Neither HIV nor SARS Covid 2.

I wrote about how WB test "conjures" "HIV" first time in 1993, as per Perth Group's first paper in Bio/Technology. I recommend "Fear of The Invisible" by the late Janine Roberts, for a lyrical as well as forensic explanation of the real story of the cellular Fantasia.

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Yes, I've read her book. Agree with your recommendation. She also has another book Vaccine Papers, though I have not read that one, I got a good sense of what she covered simply by reading the very thorough reviews on Amazon.

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I do that too, read the Amazon reviews for a synopsis

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where's my LOL emoji when I need it ?

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Yes the "No-virus" theory is nonsense, chemtrails are also. The "government" did do 9/11. That is the epitome of a technical subject and anyone who does a logical technical analysis can figure out their is no way those buildings came down anyway but by explosive demolition.

WTC 7 Not Destroyed by Fire, Concludes Final University of Alaska Fairbanks Report:

ae911truth.org/news/656-wtc-7-not-destroyed-by-fire-concludes-final-university-of-alaska-fairbanks-report

“The only way it could have fallen in the observed manner is by the near-simultaneous failure of every column.” — Professor Leroy Hulsey

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Please give the psychosomatic ("ASYMPTOMATIC" is another mislead) viruses a rest, and see JohnS' point below. Quit promoting the controlled opposition.

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The eternal question: Who is controlled opposition and who is not? It's crucial to always keep the question in the back of one's mind, while still remembering that we're all human, after all.

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It may be exceedingly difficult -- and at times impossible -- to pin down who is controlled opposition; but to think the conspirators would not be smart enough to think about deploying them is naive.

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It seems a bit disingenuous to say people are promoting this as a deception and to imply that they are getting paid by some nefarious, dark entity to do so. To me this all seems more like the type of healthy conversation that we should all be having before Kennedy gets in the White House.

A few years back I had lunch with A.M. at a health and freedom meeting. I can assure you that she is not getting paid by anyone to do this. She just asks for a very high level of truth, clarity and transparency. Like you and everyone else here, she holds our best interests at heart.

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"It seems a bit disingenuous to say people are promoting this as a deception and to imply that they are getting paid by some nefarious, dark entity to do so."

Yes, I agree. I was actually quite surprised to see that as Celia's stance--that those of us who have problems with RFK's stance are promoting a "deception" and "working for someone."

You know things would be entirely different if this was simply ordinary times and the ruling elite just decided to use a bogus PRC test to create a fake pandemic so maybe they could make tons of money off of testing kits, masks, drugs, etc. But the fact of the matter is that this is being used to literally enslave us--they are using this fake pandemic, bogus claims about lab leaks and gain of function as justification for the WHO pandemic treaty and edits to the International Health Regulations. I do not see how playing along with their narrative does anything to stop this. In fact, I see it has helping them. But that's where I stand--I'm with Rappoport, Dr. Sam Bailey, Dr. Mark Bailey, Dr. Andy Kaufman, Dr. Thomas Cowan, and Dr. Vernon Coleman. I think the only way out of this nightmare is to call out the massive fraud and deception (the bogus PCR, bogus death count, bogus cases, mass murder to increase the death count)--a crime has been committed against us. Continuing to promote their narrative get us nowhere.

And AM--you know, I haven't had time to follow her in a while. But when this fake pandemic started, I did watch a number of her videos (including those tweeted out by Catherine Austin Fitts) and was extremely impressed by her work. I think that she, more than anyone else in this movement knows exactly where this is going (e.g. precision medicine, impact investing), so she can see how what was written in that "mismanaging the pandemic" chapter fits with where they are taking us. .

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I don't know if your comment was directed to me, but if so, I never said you were stuck. I said this: "extremely impressed by her work. I think that she, more than anyone else in this movement knows exactly where this is going (e.g. precision medicine, impact investing), so she can see how what was written in that "mismanaging the pandemic" chapter fits with where they are taking us. . "

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Oh, lol, believe me, I know you never get stuck--you are a relentless researcher, a real warrior (it's hard to keep up with you). There are just so many hours in the day, plus I'm taking care of a sick family member. But I'll be sure to check out your site again--that will definitely be a better use of my time, instead of wasting it on substacks that foster group think and have no tolerance for alternative opinions. Lesson learned!

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I can't follow you , Celia. If you wanted to challenge Alison, why didn't you just quote her? Instead, you quoted somebody who misrepresented Alison in a comment. And it looks like your followers took your inference at face value: that Alison called Kennedy controlled opposition, which she didn't. When the Fauci book came out, she correctly showed how it reinforced the pandemic narrative. But Alison's work is to probe the bigger context. It needs to be done. Ironically, I used your good research to make the same point here: https://jacksonp.substack.com/p/no-virus-no-covid-no-pandemic

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Here is a comment from a guy named "Allen" who has a much better way with words than I do. I completely agree with his comment (I picked up his comment from somewhere on substack)

The evidence clearly indicates a harsh and uncomfortable reality – there was no pandemic.

There was no pandemic ever- there is no “lab leak”- there is no “unique viral pathogen”- there is no “China Virus”- there is no “bioweapon”- There is no “There” there.

Portraying the deeds of the past three years as mere mistakes in response to some "pandemic" caused by a "lab leak" or GoF serves to conceal the deadly protocols established in the hospitals and nursing homes as well as provides cover for those who designed and executed this operation.

THE NYC hospital data, for but one example, clearly point to the outright lies of the entire covid fraud.

Elmhurst Hospital Center in Queens was not bursting at the seams with patients in spring 2020, per data from the agency that operates the hospital.

https://woodhouse.substack.com/p/twitter-thread-occupancy-data-for

Data from the “epicenter of the epicenter”, Elmhurst Hosital in NYC, show a massive decrease in visit volume in both the ED’s and daily visit data from 3/1/2020 onward.

How is this not known and/or highlighted and repeated by those perched at the head of the table of the health freedom movement.

We have not been and are not facing what RFK Jr has termed “a mismanaged pandemic,” a stance supported by most “health freedom” celebrities. What we are dealing with is fraud, tyranny and mass murder.

Terrorizing and isolating elderly people especially those living in care homes, denying them visits from relatives and reducing or eliminating in-personal visits from health and social carers became “standard of care.”

Mechanical ventilators push oxygen into patients whose lungs are failing. Using the machines involves sedating a patient and sticking a tube into the throat. It was massive overuse of a treatment (ventilation) with no solid evidential basis, now known to be extremely harmful.

Midazolam, Propofol and Morphine cocktails were given to the elderly in hospitals to create the illusion of the first wave of the hoax pandemic.

What if It was an epidemic of government and medical assault, of false attribution of death, and of intense propaganda using fraudulent tests and bogus studies?

Start talking about global operations, conditional Universal Basic Income, programmable Central Bank Digital Currencies, digital slavery, mass surveillance rolled across the world via an endless series of manufactured crises and much of the “health freedom movement” run off.

The catapulting of GoF and “Covid” variants and on and on is part of this Psyop. Those who perpetuate these fabrications are part of the problem, knowingly or not, and are doing the work for the Bio-security State by maintaining and heightening the fear mechanisms.

“It’s just a virus and some bad actors” say the public. “A bioweapon that needs to be contained next time” say the subverted Covid oppositional actors.

Plenty of narrative reinforcement to go around. The “lab leak”, “bioweapon” story has resurfaced and is gaining traction amongst the “acceptable” ‘Covid sceptics.’

The insistence on using the “lab leak” red herring covers up the actual crimes that were committed.

However, if there was no pandemic, no evidence for a virus, what do we do then?

Well, we’d have to hold our government, our health regulatory agencies and our Media to account. The whole system would be exposed as the corrupt house of cards it is. The Lab Leak Theory keeps the whole charade alive and well.

It was an epidemic of violent government and medical assault against people, of false attribution of death, and of intense propaganda using fraudulent tests and bogus studies.

Covid 19- the largest organized crime event in history- to the tune of trillions of dollars.

The syndicate ran its operation through the legalized drug cartel, the Big Tech cartels and the health management systems.

The official narrative of “Covid” is fictional- all facets of it.

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The comment you refer to was made here: https://georgewebb.substack.com/p/coup-coup-cachou-mr-malone/comments#comment-14588049

It is very recent, and I am a little surprised you could only remember it was somewhere, but not specifically where since you amply participated in the exchange.

There is a problem with "Allen", which is why I responded in that thread; no doubt you will be aware of it. If you completely agree with "Allen", I am afraid you belong to what I formulated there as "the less discerning crowd who fail to pay attention to detail." At a closer look, it becomes obvious "Allen" carries baggage; as to what sort of baggage it may be, I avoid speculating at this point. Just one thing: Let me assure you the "There is no there there" is a textbook deflection, namely from what actually is there. That is a telling detail if anyone ever needed a clue.

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Well I copied and saved it with out a link (just because it was IMO a great comment). So, I decided to add it here this morning, but then I had to track it down. I actually hop around a lot on substack, so I at first couldnt remember where I saw it, and had to search around. I don't regularly visit the George Webb substack, (I think I only commented on one post of his)

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You know as well as I do that in the GW substack, "Allen" made highly disparaging remarks (quite possibly libelous) about Celia Farber. If it causes unease in you in this context, it should.

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They work to highlight the truth which you cannot hide any longer. 120 years of failed transmission studies and failed controls for as long as the isolation process has been used is enough proof for anyone to see that if you push the virus lie you are a gatekeeper.

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If someone doesn't have the time for this deep sea diving and analysis, there is a short cut: Cut the Gordian Knot, with this rule of thumb: If the Mainstream is promoting some narrative -- especially when they're doing so in a hyperventilating massive way -- then don't trust it. The next logical step is to be suspicious of any influential person who is deeply part of the Mainstream who affects to be a valiant opponent of it, yet at the same time reinforces key components of its Narrative. Any pundit who believes there was a pandemic of a deadly virus qualifies as immediately under suspicion. The ball is in their court now to allay our suspicions; we have zero obligation in that regard.

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"Any pundit who believes there was a pandemic of a deadly virus qualifies as immediately under suspicion."

Yes, that's where I stand. Also immediately under suspicion for me is anyone promoting the lab leak theory (That just plays into their WHO pandemic treaty and plans for a biosecurity state), as well as anyone who does NOT all out the bogus PCR test as driving this entire scam. To his credit, Dr. Yeadon relentlessly called out the PCR test and repeatedly noted that if you want covid to go away, simply stop testing and it will disappear by morning. And I'm highly suspicious of anyone who promotes more big govt responses like "early testing" and again suspicious of anyone promoting the non-sense that asymptomatic people were "cases" and warranted "treatment"--what exactly do you treat an asymptomatic person for? is there a treatment for no symptoms?

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As Diana West noted wryly early on, "remember when we used to call 'asymptomatic people' healthy people...?"

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LOL!!! She's the best!!

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You know, the more I think about it, that's actually quite frightening that RFK Jr also endorsed the Orwellian lie that healthy people are somehow "sick" and require treatment.

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Yes. If it were just Joe Blow who says that, one could forgive him his ignorance; but RFK Jr. has been at the epicenter of this Conversation for 3 years and spends most of his time on it. There's just no excuse for people like him and Dr. Malone to continue perpetuating & reinforcing the very same damned Narrative they claim to be opposing. Why Celia Farber can't see that is baffling.

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That may well be, but I don't think it's realistic to expect the vast majority of people to have the time & ability to immerse themselves that way. Given that, a healthy mistrust of the Mainstream (balanced with rational brakes on one's conspiracy theory) is the next best thing. If the Cabal through its mediation by the Mainstream infiltrates (and to some extent creates) the Alt sphere, it's still a Mainstream phenomenon. One simply expands one's mistrust by being skeptical of Alt pundits -- and one measure by which to assess them is their relative support of the Mainstream Narratives.

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Your framework is a double-edged sword, since you could be part of their weaponization, and there would be no way to definitively disprove it to someone who has become that radically suspicious. At any rate, I believe one crucial component in any conspiracy theory is to factor in the principle that the conspirators are not omnipotent and omnipresent.

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Wow, Allison, thank you so much for all of this. As I've always said you are an amazing researcher. More than anyone else in this movement, you know exactly where they plan on taking us.

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I get your point here and I imagine 'trust nothing and no-one' is happening with some. But I don't think it's necessarily demoralizing and unhelpful across the board. It may even be temporarily helpful as people let go of a reality that's proven false. We are all re-orienting and with the degree of uncertainty we're all having to deal with; the level of deceit in those we trusted, I get it. It's a sad state, yes, but for those, like yourself who are returning to faith, or others, deepening into faith, there are opportunities too.

I support his run but I don't believe in the system he's running in - I think it's already dead. Still his running will force conversations, disturb the spell and ultimately help. I don't expect a savior, but I appreciate very much his willingness to put himself out there.

Strange times.

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that's what I do as well.

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"Overdosing" on red pills?

He legitimizes the pandemic, claims the virus was already in circulation previous to Event 201 (for which there is zero evidence), frames Event 201 as pandemic preparation yet misguided by unconstitutional values and lack of respect for human rights, and recognizes there should have been some kind of pandemic response different than what happened.

So, in effect, he absolves the guilty parties of planned genocide and sets Americans up for another fake pandemic.

RFK Jr fails to call out the pandemic and response as the obvious planned genocide that it was and fails to call for the trial and punishment of all those who planned and participated in this obvious genocide.

"A dead end, because it sort of absolves one of having to act - what's the use?"

In fact, it is the exact opposite. It brings a sense of relief because people will know that the saviors they are offered are all part of the game and that they must work together to bring justice and restore America.

Here is RFK Jr. wanting people who don't believe climate change jailed. https://youtu.be/41yJTxrPFhM

Here he is calling for "gun control": https://twitter.com/RobertKennedyJr/status/964220839653662720

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2019/07/17/third-person-has-died-after-respiratory-illness-outbreak-greenspring-village-fairfax-officials-say/

It's fairly undeniable that it was here before Event201. The CDC just covered it up - or called it "mysterious vaping illness". Sewer samples, and prevalence of immunity and antibodies bolster that assessment. And those of us who were paying attention heard of a particularly debilitating 'flu-like illness' going around (as reported by touring rock musicians, and Jello Biafra, who owns a record label) in the late summer and fall of 2019. I'm pretty sure I caught it in December of 2019.

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There is ZERO evidence for the isolation of the alleged virus, the tests are meaningless and the flu magically disappeared. Go sell nonsense somewhere else.

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Yeah. You've got the nonsense market cornered. I shouldn't break your monopoly with any truth.

The fact remains, that in symptom presentation - you can pretty easily distinguish the Flu from tha' 'rona. And what we're calling Covid was definitely novel in the symptomatic presentation. And that - is actually a form of evidence.

You're not aware, of the things that you aren't aware of. BioWeapons are a real thing - not a 'hoax'. The BioWeapons Labs that designed it, almost certainly 'isolated it' - but their work is classified, so they're just not going to share it publicly.

http://dilyana.bg/project-g-2101-pentagon-biolab-discovered-mers-and-sars-like-coronaviruses-in-bats/

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Touching soliloquy on alchemy and fairy tales.

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I think it was a good assessment in your article/video, and It's well known that JFK Jr has avoided the isolation issue completely.. I think allowing the low cost treatments of Hydroxy, Ivermectin, and even Quercetin especially in the early stages would've prevented many from going into the hospitals to be mistreated and killed IMO, and whose deaths being attributed to a false narrative pandemic, and that JFK Jr and many Doctors as well are still attributing the total deaths being reported as actual as well. Even CDC claims

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#Comorbidities

Scroll down to this heading (charts with numbers follows)

Comorbidities and other conditions

"For over 5% of these deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned on the death certificate. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 4.0 additional conditions or causes per death."

So over 5% bu less than 6% were of actual from this non-isolated covid lab created bug foisted upon us, and on average had 4+ comorbidities as well. Most of which fell in the over 55+ age groups.

I think it's good many are coming out against the narrative that was presented, but still have their hands in the deep pockets of Big Pharma and profiting from both sides.

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Promoting that people ingest petrochemical based poisons for short term relief gets us at the same end goal eventually. If you know that there is no virus that cause dis-ease the obviously at some point you must arrive at the conclusion that it all boils down to toxemia. Why would you promote a toxic substance to address the issues caused by toxins? This is nonsensical.

Ivermectin and HCQ was heavily promoted over the last few years. Have you ever stopped to think why that was the case...

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Yes, because they work. Used Hydroxy with only COVID infection and it was a non-event. Anecdotal, but if the medical community waits for fake Surgisphere data-driven double blind placebo controlled fake trials in a real pandemic while ignoring clinical successes, we will truly have a mass casualty event. The politics ended use of hydroxy and horse paste ivermectin, not the analytics of their outcomes. Unfortunately, the medical community writ large will not recover from it in my lifetime. Trust is now zero and great people like RFK Jr have been trumpeting the warning signals for decades to a blissfully ignorant and well medicated public are the few and far between truth tellers. Disregard them at your own risk.

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RFK jr is a gatekeeper that perpetuates the virus lie and anyone that push preventative medicine instead of promoting the idea of looking at diet and wellbeing is right there in his boat. Ivermectin and HCQ are petrochemical based poisons.

Ivermectin -

https://odysee.com/@dpl003:6/Ivermectin_People's_Preferred_Choice_of_Poison_Jgtlyqhqw637:6

Hydroxychloroquine -

https://odysee.com/@dpl003:6/Germs-Debunk-Corona:4ff

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Except that Ivermectin isn't a petrochemical - it's a compound that was isolated from a bacteria, found in some soil in Japan.

And I can assure you that it works, in fact, it does so through multiple methods of action.

I suppose that since you don't believe in viruses, you must never get sick ... But when I started feeling the respiratory symptoms associated with the then-current brand of tha' 'rona - 30 mgs (~.3 mg/kg), taken with a fatty meal, had me doing much better in just two hours.

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Yes... Because that makes total sense, doesn't it? They got it from some random piece of dirt in Japan and we should treat it the same as a pot of gold at the end of a rainbow.

Semisynthetic says all you need to know.

Ivermectin is a semisynthetic, anthelminitic agent. It is an avermectin, a group of pentacyclic sixteen-membered lactones (i.e. a macrocyclic lactone disaccharide) derived from the soil bacterium Streptomyces avermitilis.

Also to insinuate that people who know that viruses don't exist also do not believe in dis-ease is as illogical as thinking that Ivermectin is a natural substance. It is acutely toxic - https://www.bitchute.com/video/Jgtlyqhqw637/

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I wonder if any of those who were forced Remdesivir and are suffering the consequences or the ones who died might have liked to have the option.

I personally took Quercetin same principal as HCQ and IVermectin being an Ionophore that pushes the Zinc into the cell for protection against viruses in general.

Yes most any Pharma drug is a poison that prevents the body from doing one of it's normal functions, but if you contracted something that was released on the public as a BIOWEAPON,, especially if you caught it directly and not through passing it on where it became diluted, it may have or be in one's best interest to consider using as aide to fend it off if available, especially if in the higher risk categories with multiple comorbidities.

Do you actually believe you'll ever get everyone to stop taking BIG PHARMA drugs? The adverts warn them time and again on the commericals (if you watch those channels), and still they go and "ask their doctor for them", an arm up, a leg out, any old orifice will do.

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There has never been a virus, in the history of man kind, proven to cause dis-ease. I have spent countless hours searching for this proof and have been unable to find any. The conclusion is that there is no virus:

- Not a lab leaked virus.

- Not an engineered virus.

- No virus as a bioweapon.

- No virus from gain of fiction.

- No naturally occurring virus.

If you have proof of the contrary I welcome you to send it to me. We have it summarized in this post - https://dpl003.substack.com/p/virology-the-damning-evidence

The things that do cause dis-ease is unhealthy habits like junk food, bad water, lack of sleep, stressful environments, nutritional deficiencies etc etc etc. You cannot fix this by ingesting petrochemical based poisons and although you might experience short term relief you will pay for it in the long run because you continually interfere with the bodies attempts at finding balance.

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Wow those big profits off a $1 a pill? That's got to be some heavy duty expensive reverse psychology going on their. Maybe, but as I stated in the comment to the other reply below, I'm sure many who were forced Remdesivir and suffering the consequences or even died from with all the other maltreatment maybe would like to have had the Zalenko protocols over what they were given.

Do I trust PFizer or any Big Pharma company or drug? HELL NO!!

Do I think they are necessary sometimes for some people under some circumstances? Yes

Do I believe you will ever get everyone to stop taking what their GOD sent doctor prescribes them? No

They watch the commercials and go beg for them, like many still do for the gene modification therapy bioweapon so called vaccines.

I'ts amazing how both of you only responded to the use of prophylaxis drugs, but not regarding their being used to prevent hospitalizations where the maltreatment took place and many died because of that specifically.

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Apr 15, 2023Liked by Celia Farber

Hard to know motives of RFK accusers or others who so easily criticize people with decades of personal sacrifice telling the truth -- in the new alt media cohort, it might be that they are ignorant of others valor and history, immaturity respecting the possibility of error in the virtuous or actual viability of divergent interpretations, or predacious ambition to look like the big news kid by dishonoring an elder giant of wisdom and courage-- which certainly covers RFK. Good work on dragging actual facts and critical reasoning forward to hand the brat their comeuppance. Reputational predators for personal gain need to be dressed down so their fans can see what investigative reporting and critical analysis actually look like. Thank you very much for the work. The election politics is going to bring out all the best and worse.

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Adding - Go and look at Bobby’s Truth Series and his book. Understand that he knows for a long time who killed his family and why. Understand what he says at Hillsdale about Nixon. RFK has taken his life in his hand to walk the path for God and for Us. Go watch his early speech to the Germans where he predicted the assault on all freedom. Keep him in you prayers and all others who fight with us.

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Written above my fluency level.

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Apr 15, 2023Liked by Celia Farber

Who exactly is this woman and her argument is what? That these infections never occurred? Again, based on what evidence? Even if the virus was never originally isolated, or EVER isolated, the fact is that WHATEVER the ultimate cause was, it was treatable early on with some relatively simple, inexpensive and highly effective treatments! There are MANY contributory causes of most every disease. Could 5G and other environmental factors have played a role? Possibly, but real doctors are looking for the most obvious effective TREATMENT once the disease process begins and arguing about whether this factor or that “caused the problem” is useless when youve got a real patient in front of you who is very sick and possibly dying and there is effective medicine that is most likely to cure them. In my Chinese herbal practice I do not need to know specifically which organism is causing the disease, the symptom identification is enough to treat them and was developed long long before we even knew such a thing as a virus existed! This ridiculous fixation on “controlled opposition” is the most toxic bullshit afflicting the opposition movement and serves no positive purpose but to create suspicion and doubt about allies. She is the most likely “controlled opposition” Ive seen in a while and As far as I am concerned its time to put people like her in the rear view mirror and hit the gas!

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Dr. Paul Cottrell lambasts "no-virus" theories and shows actual pictures of the SARS-COV-2 virus:

Vodka Wars Ep29 (Absolute proof Dr. Ardis is WRONG. SARS-COV-2 photos) by Dr. Paul Cottrell

https://www.brighteon.com/c3bbc226-50e6-4792-8b85-c961f3c87add

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Are the actual pictures as cool as the Christmas ornaments the Mainstream panic-mongered the entire planet with for 2 years?

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Creating panic is just their modus operandi. 9/11 "Terrorists", Covid, Russia, Climate Change, Cyberattacks. Rinse. Repeat. It's getting a bit tiresome actually. No wonder their favorite saying is "Never let a crisis go to waste". And there just ain't enough crises that occur organically so they find it necessary to regularly invent more.

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AMEN Teresa!

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If you have a sick patient it doesn’t matter the cause if you can treat. Unless an idealogy can be used long term to sicken and kill.

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Red herring. This isn't about treating an individual's loved one. This is about an internationally coordinated psy-op calculated to accelerate the deconstruction of the West in order to hasten its replacement with a totalitarian new world order.

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Alison Hawver McDowell has quite a history of claiming various people are "controlled opposition," including James Corbett. Her standard response to being challenged in any way is simply to block people. Why anyone would believe a single thing she says is beyond me!

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Apr 15, 2023Liked by Celia Farber

She also blocked people who were in any way concerned with the mRNA COVID jabs, declaring the vakseen to be “just a distraction”.

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My stars. I didn't know that. What a strange soup we are in.

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Hi Darwin! I didn't know that AHMcD had also taken that line about the jabs (as did Caitlin Johnstone), having been blocked by her myself way before we got to that point. How ironic, a DOD developed bioweapon unleashed upon humanity for the purposes of genocide and profit was really "just a distraction"! Goodness gracious, what should we have been paying attention to???

And that actually wasn't the only thing I'm aware she put into that category... Transhumanism and its capture of the current generation of children was yet another topic she deemed not worthy of discussion, though I later learned her own child was "trans" so engaging in honest conversation of that topic was likely the third rail as far as she was concerned.

Indeed, as Teresa mentions, given all this finger pointing in consistently the wrong direction, one is left to consider just whether or not AHMcD is herself a very limited hangout!

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I never ever say that about anybody. I have NO idea.

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Really not interested in your disclaimers here, Alison. My experience with you is that you do not operate in good faith, you have consistently slurred good people for no other reason than that you could, and then you viciously eliminate any opposing or challenging points of view by summarily blocking people with no engagement whatsoever. Your record speaks for itself. I'm hardly the only person on the planet to have experienced your version of being on social media.

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Says the woman whose own actions very much contribute to that toxicity without so much as a whisper of acknowledgement of the very real part YOU yourself have played. Whatever else anyone has to say on this thread, I am speaking about my own personal interactions with you and my own direct observations of your behavior. I read your scurrilous claims about James Corbett, which Eva Bartlett forwarded to him and which he vigorously, and appropriately, defended himself against and which to the best of my knowledge, you certainly never retracted. *That* is who you are, Alison, a liar and a person without integrity, and anyone interested can easily see that for themselves. When you can't produce credible evidence of your claims, you simply make sure challengers are silenced. For the record, that's called cowardice.

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Julianne Jaz, I'm sorry I arrived too late to read her comments. I agree with all you say here. My experience with her was that though she was making interesting contributions in re impact investing, that she was also being enormously divisive and selfish.

She and the Cowanists have both proven to be destructively monomaniacal, imposing purity tests on followers and public figures alike that, if failed, result in aggressive defamation campaigns and what I might refer to as projective competitive exclusion or "precrimination" where those who refuse to accept that their paradigm is the only thing that matters are denounced as "controlled opposition" or unworthy distractions in their efforts and movement. Both generate a cult-like atmosphere around their efforts.

It's difficult to avoid being suspicious about such behavior. It's either tragically antisocial and narcissistic or strategic divide et impera. In both cases, there is a group affiliation motive where followers who parrot the narrative properly are permitted group identity where those who dare to suggest other possibilities are publicly ostracized and jettisoned.

Denying the relevance of the jab with all of the resulting illness and death is irresponsible to say the least, the kind of irresponsible that can result in the death of those who take the claim seriously. This denial also plays to the interests of the perpetrators.

The Cowanists too have behaved in a way that is dangerous to adherents. They deny the existence of all pathogens and, therefore, the existence or relevance of bioweapons. Cowan denounces the use of antibiotics, ivermectin, and HCQ. Though seeming to be pro-health freedom, these arguments actually put them on the same side of most policy-relevant arguments as the vakseen fascists.

Denying the efficacy of these three drugs validates the emergency orders that allow the deployment of the mRNA jabs where such orders are only valid if no other effective and safe treatment is available. Denying the existence of pathogens like weaponized bacteria (e.g., "all bacteria are our friends", "bacteria are the clean up crew) prevents people from using safe and effective treatments and suggests there's no point in worrying about bioweapons. Cowan has actually directed his followers to ignore the bioweapon threat for the reason there are no pathogens (as if there would have to be pathogens to create bioweapons). This too benefits the COVID perps.

The Cowanists also deny the existence of genes and DNA and, therefore, see transhumanism as a strategic distraction and not as an actual threat even though we know that Gates and other WEFfer-COVID perps are obsessed with transfection via CRISPR, gene drive, and the very mRNA technology they pumped into billions of people under the guise of fighting a fraudulent pandemic. Gates and Epstein even paid for a study at Harvard that "creates a path" for transforming sexually reproducing species into eusocial species. One obvious implication is that we are on the precipice of Huxley's Brave New World. Again, out of bounds for discussion with the Cowanists all very much to the benefit of COVID perps.

Finally, both McDowell and Cowan have savaged the most effective health freedom and anti-WEF voices (e.g., RFK Jr, Del Bigtree, etc.) while suggesting to followers that it's a waste of time to focus on Gates, Fauci, et al. Cowan has repeatedly told his followers to ignore Fauci and Gates ("nothing is going to happen to them any way) and to instead focus their efforts at gatherings and in social media to attacks against Kennedy and Bigtree.

This is not to say that McDowell and Cowan have nothing to say of merit. Impact investing deserves plenty of attention. The virus issue requires a lot of public clarification and most of us have no doubt at all that the predator class has deployed fake viral pandemics to commit democide for profit and control. But, there's a lot more to consider here than impact investing and the existence of pathogenic viruses.*

In a certain respect, McDowell and Cowan are censoring and deplatforming all those who refuse to confine discussion to the very narrow boundaries they deem acceptable. We should be suspicious about informational sheep-dogging of this sort, especially when it's accompanied by intense accusations, "precrimination" if you will, against political enemies. Both have, for instance, claimed that RFK Jr. is controlled opposition.

*If the existence of pathogenic viruses has not been "proven", neither has their non-existence. Therefore, it's unethical and irrational to attempt to discredit the work of people who refuse to admit the non-existence of pathogenic viruses (e.g., RFK Jr.) because their position on the subject is at least as credible as those who insist there are no viruses, at least at this time.

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Teresa, I very much agree! I consider this sort of behavior, declarations of "so-and-so" is just controlled opposition, to be laziness of the highest order. I've rarely found anyone who presents such an "argument" (a generous characterization, at best) to be able to back it up with credible evidence, and as I noted with AHMcD, she wouldn't even bother - instead utilizing an even lazier response, i.e., instant blocking. How convenient to simply be able to smear one person after another with just two words without *ever* having to defend one's position by virtue of simply eliminating dissent or challenges.

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I cant endorse Bobbys view on many things, including firearms. Bobby doesn't believe in the 2nd Amendment at all and has made that clear.

That's non-negotiable to me if nothing other than the 2A and firearm ownership is why the unvaxxed are NOT in camps right now.

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AMEN!

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2A doesn't only apply to guns...you get that right??

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You do realize that we're all 2A people right??

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Unless you believe in sitting helplessly while someone attacks you??

I do not .

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It means we should own them too...quite literally.

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Very simple right?

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You seem to be implying what Darth Brandon said a few months ago a about F15s. Guess what? He's wrong...and they know it too or else they would not contunue to assault the right to self defense. It does not play out the way you think it does which tells me you are ignorant of such matters.

I'm not going to do anything irrational, but I'm not giving mine up. I pity you if you hail from some place where that already happened.

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That wasn't my point

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Come on now....stop with the obtuse bullshit.

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Allison McDowell, a person who routinely blocked even followers on Facebook, bases her argument on the claim that viruses do not exist, and therefore the early treatment recommended by doctors Kory and McCullough was fraudulent. Since there's no irrefutable evidence that viruses do not exist--at least at this time--her argument is based on speculation at best. She's very knowledgeable about 4IR, ESG, and Agenda 2030, but she's unfortunately a know-it-all who dismisses any idea that does not agree with her own. I mean seriously, if you're going to try to take down RFK Jr., your argument should be unimpeachable.

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I don't think viruses exist AS CAST in this bio-tragedy at all. If ONLY those "no virus" people were more creative with the vast and ;ominous English language, instead of hammer-hammer-hammer-same nail-nail-nail.

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Could you please elaborate? Because, I only see one-side that acts like a hammer, and sees everything as a nail. And that's the side who sell us lies, the illusion.

I always think back to two great books: The Rape of The Mind, & Delusion and Mass Delusion by Joost Meerloo.

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If I can recommend something, I think that you should connect with Eric F. Coppolino at Planet Waves FM and share your info with him.

I watched some of your stuff, and from what I've seen, it's important.

He's an expert investigator of Scientific & Medical fraud.

His substack:

https://planetwavesfm.substack.com/

You can find his email in his Twitter bio, which you can find here:

https://substack.com/profile/96334624-eric-f-coppolino

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Alison, I do recognize that you have made some unique contributions to all of this (although must admit that I have no idea what you are talking about half the time.)

But I also think you are a bit of a nutcase.

AFAIK, I invented the term and the hashtag #TeamNoVirus. I am (as far as I can tell) a HUMAN BEING and not an AI.

Yeah, I think even my friend Eric Coppolino might say that using #Hashtags, or even clicking "like" is in some sense "feeding the robot", speaking in Machine-Language. But it was only my whimsical attempt at speaking in Internet vernacular, not evidence of some deep technocratic conspiracy.

I created "the good list". I was so impressed by your clip above (from your 3 hour livestream) that I added you to the list, after which, you questioned my motives, accused me of getting paid from some shadow organizations, and accused me of operating an "enterprise", and sent me a legal threat if your name wasn't removed immediately. (Strangely, you also CC: Andy Kaufman, who is on the list, but has nothing to do with it).

You know nothing about me, clearly. And it was obviously a ridiculous mistake on my part to have accused you of being on any team. Please accept my deepest apologies.

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Well, what does that mean to you? Could you explain it simply, as if I was a third grader. What exactly you mean by 'targeted simulation modeling' in regards to "team no virus".

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Apr 15, 2023·edited Apr 15, 2023

I studied viruses at Purdue University 50 years ago. This whole “there are no viruses” and “the Terrain theory vs the Germ theory” are based on the theories of the 17th Century French scientist/philosopher Rene Descartes and his so called “Cartesian Logic” where if something is black it cannot possibly be white. So, if you “believe” in germ theory you cannot “believe” in terrain theory. The fact is they are both correct to some degree. There are micro organisms such as those that cause malaria, yellow fever, bubonic plague, typhus and smallpox which certainly do exist and are isololatable, transmissable through various means, highly infectious and usually spread into the blood through an insect but also airborne in mucous aerosols like through coughing or sneezing, etc. Not everyone exposed gets sick but thats where the “Terrain” comes into play. The terrain being the individual and their immune system. Louis Pasteur, Robert Koch, and Dr Lister made huge contributions to Western medicine through their work proving infection was transmissable which lead to “washing” and “disinfecting”. Western “civilization” was used to filthy living conditions for hundreds of years thanks to a number of factors, not the least of which the Church’s restrictions on bathing! There was no sewer system in any of the large European cities until the 18th Century and wading thru sewage in the streets was “normal”! Washing hands and surgical instruments was considered to be unnecessary! You people who are so hell bent on dismissing all Germ Theory are medical dilettantes who have not studied the abysmal history of Pre Germ theory and the appalling loss of life due to the spreading of virulent pathogenic organisms by imbeciles posing as doctors! The trouble we are in today started with that Fraud Gallo and the HIV debacle and that was the opening shot for the virus fixation we have today. Pasteur, Lister and Koch would be horrified by the sloppiness, fraud and anti scientific Bullshit being paid for and passed off as “science” today by politicians and bureaucrats and science hacks in Big Pharma..

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Apr 16, 2023·edited Apr 16, 2023

Well, I don’t think any in the “no virus” camp are claiming there are no pathogenic organisms that can cause disease. I'm pretty sure we’re not so naïve as to dismiss the entire history of pathology and epidemiology here (virology being another matter altogether ;). I myself accidentally swallowed a tiny amount of blood of a mosquito eight years ago (somewhat longish story if you’re interested) and contracted Dengue fever. Worst thing I’ve ever experienced. I can certainly admit that I contracted a disease and am aware of the pathogen that caused it. The problem here – and I continue to be baffled by the absence of basic reasoning by the “virus believers” on this matter – is that no actual evidence is ever provided of viral existence in the form of purified, isolated viral particles via SEM images. We’re simply asking that we be shown the thing – and not in the form of a drawing, not in the form of images showing cell debris that has never been proven to be the cause of anything, not via papers that describe experiments conducted on cell cultures containing all kinds of contaminants and pollutants that induce a cytopathogenic response (thus killing cells) and by which the authors then claim viral existence, isolation, cause, etc.

Science has established protocols for extracting and isolating pathogens from diseased samples and testing for re-infection (for proof of causality). None of these have been followed during the so-called “pandemic.” We’ve just been told to “trust” the science and the “experts” who claim the existence of a “virus” (which, btw, in its utterly simplistic appeal to the non-rational should tell you something).

Remember that “belief” has no basis in empirical science. We’re talking about physical phenomena here, which is entirely subject to sensory experience and validation. Belief is only for/of God (and on that score, I’m a believer). "Belief in viruses," on the other hand, is simply absurd. Without proof, that is.

Accordingly, I would assume that everyone in the “no virus” camp is ready to jump on the “virus believer” wagon as soon as proof is provided. I’ll be the first to say, “I was wrong. I’ve now seen definitive proof of the existence of viruses.” Until then, well, I guess we’ll just have to keep asking and (given the last three years of doing exactly that) continue to wait (fingers tapping tables).

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Some commenter above:

SmithFS

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Dr. Paul Cottrell lambasts "no-virus" theories and shows actual pictures of the SARS-COV-2 virus:

Vodka Wars Ep29 (Absolute proof Dr. Ardis is WRONG. SARS-COV-2 photos) by Dr. Paul Cottrell

https://www.brighteon.com/c3bbc226-50e6-4792-8b85-c961f3c87add

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Apr 15, 2023·edited May 16, 2023

Wait a sec, IDK who Allison is, but you said "there's no irrefutable evidence that viruses do not exist". Strongly disagree, here's why: the basis of the claim isn't on those that have discovered that "viruses do not exist", it's on the ones who have claimed that "viruses do exist". Maybe you overlooked that piece?

The burden of proof is on the one making the claim. This comes from a maxim of law: semper necessitas probandi incumbit ei qui agit (the necessity of proof always lies with the person who lays charges).

Only upon investigation of the scientific method (the standard) behind virus isolation that the basis of Virology is built-on, they discovered, nobody has ever done it. Therefore it's with 100% impossibility for them to exist.

It's never been done, for any alleged "viral disease", ever.

It would be simple to 'shut them up', just provide them evidence that it's been isolated from a human host. They should have thousands of them by now, in regards to 'SARS-CoV-2', the alleged virus that causes the disease, "COVID-19". But again, they can't because it's an impossibility; they've never isolated any virus from a human host, ever.

This a monumental issue, a huge problem. And it should be at the forefront of everything. Considering, the largest part of the medical system is built on this claim, that there's zero evidence of. That's why it's not being touched.

Christine Massey, has 200+ FOIA (Freedom of Information Act requests), from institutions around the world, and all have them have said the same thing. When asked if they have a sample of the virus, they all responded the same, no. None of them do.

So, how did they come up with a conclusion without the sample of a virus needed to make that claim? Impossibility. The very definition of pseudoscience.

Hopefully that helps you think about it more soundly. Because it's not something to be overlooked; it's the core issue that needs to be addressed. It's merely an 'illusion' being sold to the people, in a fear campaign. It's a never-ending stream of power & money that's built on a house of cards. A fiction.

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Thanks, Brandon. You beat me to it. I had written:

But the burden of proof is on those who make the claim that viruses DO exist. Sorry, but your argument that there’s “no irrefutable evidence that viruses do not exist” is like saying “there’s no irrefutable evidence that werewolves and unicorns don’t exist.” This is illogical. If someone says something exists but cannot show that it in fact exists, it’s not my responsibility to then prove that the-never-proven-to-exist thing in question DOES NOT in fact exist.

Here’s Mike Stone in his March 31, 2023 article, “Where’s the virus”?:

“It has become very clear throughout many conversations with those defending virology that, just as the CDC states, they cannot demonstrate any evidence showing that the particles claimed to be “viruses” after the cell culture experiment were ever actually present within the fluids of a sick host before experimentation. This existence is an assumption on the part of virologists, as they never check prior to experimentation to verify that these particles actually exist within the fluids. As they do not check the fluids prior to the experiment, there is no baseline in order to claim that the “viral” particles were within the fluids and that these particles did, in fact, replicate as a result of the experiment. This is a crucial step not only logically but also scientifically that is entirely missing from every single virology paper.”

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Apr 15, 2023·edited Apr 15, 2023

Bingo! I'm not expert on this issue, nor do I claim to be. I was just trying to give her a more sound perspective of the issue at hand. :]

If I made any mistakes on how I worded it, please let me know so I can make any corrections.

If anyone is unsure what we're talking about needs more info, I'd point them to someone who has done incredible investigative journalism on it: Eric F. Coppolino. An esteemed investigative journalist of Scientific & Medical fraud.

His substack: https://planetwavesfm.substack.com/

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Someone above said you can't test a human virus on animals. Okay, I'll volunteer to be injected with the Covid virus. Bring it on!

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She blocked me as well.

Treatment can work even if there’s no virus if symptoms are not caused by a virus. Also the placebo effect is known to be powerful.

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You will always know more than I, Alison, you are quite brilliant.

Antibiotics were routinely given for post-viral pneumonia until 2020, when they were withheld from anyone given a (bogus) covid dx

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I don’t trust Kirsch and I definitely don’t trust anything Rockefeller

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I'm not sure that this is the crux, all vaccines are fraudulent (no vaccine ever made anyone 'healthier') germ theory is fraudulent, it's not a question of mismanagement, it's a question of the pandemic as hoax, RFK is the Del Bigtree of Politics...

(listen to Harry Vox instead)

(forgive me if I am missing something and am off the mark here )

(edit: I am guarding my optimism- let's push the voice- if there's an opening...)

what's his stance on project "Next-Gen"...?

(I work for nobody, as I am unemployed)

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A Midwestern Doctor seems to differ on the assertion "all vaccines are fraudulent (no vaccine ever made anyone 'healthier')", but specifics escape me.

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I don't know what she said, but although I'm generally anti-vaxx at this point, if I get bitten by a potentially rabid animal, I will unhesitatingly take a rabies vaccine. But that's the only one I'll consider :)

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Just an FYI, the woman who has the "Healthy American" platform (sorry, I'll have to look up her name) recently did a multi-part series on precisely why the rabies vaccine is *also* very much a hoax.

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I just got a chance to look it up - her name is Peggy Hall, and her platform is "The Healthy American."

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Apr 15, 2023·edited Apr 16, 2023

https://peggyhall.substack.com/p/rabies-vaccines

I'm no expert on rabies but was once a caver, and observed rabid bats. However, her being a "no virus" enthusiast concerns me. Should "rabies" actually be bacterial meningitis, the treatments are quite different than for an actual virus. But see https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7b/Rabies_Virus_%2851706598561%29.jpg/330px-Rabies_Virus_%2851706598561%29.jpg "Colorized transmission electron micrograph showing the rabies virus (in red) infecting cultured cells". Oxidative processes such as superoxide destroy bacteria, but also destroy interferon needed to overcome viral infections. Though opinions vary, C60 (buckminsterfullerene) is allegedly an antioxidant.

"Cooties" is lice.

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And what evidence is there that rabies is bacterial meningitis? I'm nearly 70 and have never once seen that suggested, and I worked in the medical field for many years when I was younger.

I don't consider myself an expert on the subject either, but I was offering that there *are* alternative points of view on the issue of *all* vaccines, points of view that have been rabidly (if you will) suppressed, dismissed, slurred, and generally cast as lunacy - largely because the pharmaceutical cartel/vaccine lobby has unlimited funds to spend ensuring their point of view is the only one considered on the subject, which no one is allowed to question, regardless how much PROFIT they have at stake.

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Any job openings ?

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the hours are good- but the pay sucks...

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Apr 15, 2023·edited Apr 15, 2023

All one has to do is watch RFK, Jr's latest interview of Sasha Latypova to understand where he stands:

Militarized Healthcare with Sasha Latypova -- March 16, 2023

https://live.childrenshealthdefense.org/chd-tv/shows/the-defender-show/militarized-healthcare/

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I wonder if we'll ever see an expose from Melinda Gates detailing what Bill Gates really has planned for the future.

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No because whatever Bill had planned out in the past involved The BMGF and she is pised to further benefit at leat monetarily.

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That is unlikely to ever happen as, although they are definitely divorced, they continue to work together running their foundation:

Bill and Melinda Gates divorce after 27 years of marriage

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56975466

"We continue to share a belief in that mission and will continue our work together at the foundation, but we no longer believe we can grow together as a couple in the next phase of our lives."

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some other bucks-up couple divorced at, or at about, the same time as B/M Gates and the simultaneity was noted, I forget by whom, or the website, together with the news of an also recent alteration in relevant financial dealings, that made divorce financially advantageous for both patners in both divorces

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Alison is right, but you cannot expect physicians to accept the idea that the Covid19 virus doesn't exist. Their education does not equip them to think about such fundamental issues. They follow protocols given to them. Lawyers are even less capable of analyzing whether the virus exists or not.

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Whether it exists or not is of no consequence relating to the crimes against humanity.

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How come my doctor understood, then?

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Because you are fortunate to have a doctor who is interested in the science of medicine and understanding exactly what he's doing to himself, his family, and his patients.

I'm a PhD who studied all of the first year basic health sciences courses as medical students, right in the same auditorium, sitting among 100 of them. In some subsequent years, until I was awarded my degree, I assisted as a TA in some courses, including in labs. Two percent of first year medical students are exceptional...absolutely brilliant. Ten percent will be very good physicians. The rest either have too many other things on their mind, or are not really that interested in the science of medicine. They believe what they are fed. I imagine that those percentages will pretty much stay the same, once they become MDs.

My PCP (recommended to me by an exceptional ER physician, who's wife sees this PCP) is allegedly the best PCP associated with a regional hospital system here in southern Maine; but, I had to explain to my PCP how the mRNA vaccines allegedly are supposed to work. For some reason, he's been fine with pushing the jabs...probably took them himself. This is the current state of medicine. Same if you see an orthopedist: many of them are taught and continue to practice cookbook medicine/surgery. But some of them are brilliant innovators. Same with every profession.

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