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Heidi Lynn's avatar

Associating gay people with pedophilia and trans agendas is a very old story. I have been gay my whole life and not once in my childhood was it presented as something trendy - in fact I was viciously shamed for it - and now I am disappointed to be faced with the same negative messages from truthers. I don’t know why I’m gay but I certainly wasn’t groomed to be gay by any agenda. Nor do I support the porn industry, pedophilia, trans medicine, sexualizing children, and other horrible things. There are many gay people living honorable lives who do not participate in this stuff.

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Thomas's avatar

Can't agree here. Tough to admit, but homosexuality has definitely opened Pandora's box into the trans world, pedophilia, porn addiction, and sexualization of children. It had to start somewhere. There's no way around it. Homosexual attraction is a temptation, and homosexual activity is a serious sin. Homosexuality has inflicted tremendous harm on the idea of friendship between men. It has also transmitted the message of promiscuity to all heterosexuals, resulting in divorce, broken homes, and lonely, damaged children. Bathhouses and thousands of partners will promote that. Oh, but I don't do that, you say. Fine. But survey after survey documents that 70% or more of homosexual couples have "open marriages", meaning ongoing multiple partners. People do not know that.

The many "Pride" parades you march in are FULL of people looking for the next party and many, many partners. So, who you associate with, that's who you are, whether you choose to face it or not. Yes, heterosexuals are promiscuous, too. We all grew up in a sexual sewer set up for us long ago. Of course, we happily ran right into it. It's our job to climb back out.

https://thomashuxley.substack.com/p/sexual-problems-in-the-new-world

This loneliness has been known for thousands of years. The problem, at its base, is a spiritual one:

https://www.orthodoxytoday.org/blog/2013/07/st-john-chrysostom-on-the-terrible-passion-of-homosexuality/

We are all far from home. And the way back takes years. "Maitrise tes passions, et tu deviendras quelqu'un."

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Tim Groves's avatar

TOM, Heidi is not "70% or more of homosexual couples." Heidi is just Heidi.

Accusations of child sexual abuse (often true, of course) and the idea that all men are potential rapists and abusers, amplified by the mass media and now embedded deeply into the public consciousness, have made it very problematic for men to associate with adolescents or children at all, and especially with young girls, for fear of being on the wrong end of an accusation or a suspicion or a visit from the police.

It's very sad, but none of this is Heidi's doing. Heidi is just Heidi.

And no, I don't think it started with homosexuality, which has been around a lot longer than the Pandora's box of horrors you mention, or even with its gradual acceptance by mainstream society, which is very very recent. It may have started with Thoroughly Modern Millie (and I recommend reading or listening to the lyrics of that song), which was about women "becoming liberated" in the 1920s. And a huge milestone was no-fault divorces that started to become permissible in the 1960s.

But these things are mere symptoms. I would say we have been living for decades in the midst of the controlled demolition of Western Society by forces that seek to benefit from that controlled demolition. I think we have let it go on because we all gained something initially from that controlled demolition in the shape of freedom to choose our own lifestyles and freedom from the restrictions and responsibilities imposed on us by traditional morals, culture and society. We all love those freedoms, if we think back to what previous generations had to put up with.

But at the same time we've all lost a lot in terms of the security of being part of something bigger that cares for us, such as family, community, society. We've become something like free atoms separated from the molecules that used to bind us to each other and make us conform to social norms.

But none of this is Heidi's fault. Heidi is just Heidi. She doesn't deserve anybody's disapprobation or any blame at all for the horrible mess our world is in. If Heidi didn't exist, our world would be just as messed up, with the additional tragedy that nobody would be able to benefit from Heidi's presence or goodwill.

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Heidi Lynn's avatar

Thank you. 💜

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Thomas's avatar

Individual merit is super, but it's no match, I'm afraid, against Truvada whores. You know, the legions of almost-nude partiers that march at "Pride" parades with people like Heidi. I know, I know, snitches get stitches.

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blablavatskaya's avatar

homoeroticism takes many forms never acknowledged by the compliant.

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Thomas's avatar

Oh yes, Blab, you do have to go through it all over again. I know, it sucks. Because chickens have come home to roost, and taking refuge in the Egyptian river of DE-NIAL ain't gonna fly. So many people now realize that "love is love," has quickly devolved into "bake my cake or I'll bankrupt your bakery," or "bring your children for lap dances at the public library for Tranny story hour, or get shot by snipers."

Aldous Huxley, (a distant relative), said it best in the preface to Brave New World:

"As political and economic freedom diminishes, sexual freedom tends compensatingly to increase."

LGBTQ+++ has become a lightning bolt and litmus test of elite corporate wokeness whether you're an outstanding social star or not.

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blablavatskaya's avatar

homophobia doesn't make you rational. (don't take it personally unless it applies to you.)

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Ernest Judd's avatar

He is NOT homophobic.

He is addressing degenerate behaviour and resolve.

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Thomas's avatar

Typical goofy ad hominem comment from Blab who can't construct an argument to defend uncontrolled passions. We're far from home. The way back takes years, and time is running short for many.

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Marilyn F's avatar

Keep speaking up about it 👏

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Heidi Lynn's avatar

Thank you Marilyn.

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David Lamson's avatar

You are in the same difficult position as many individuals who happen to belong to a particular identity group that has been politicized to push a counterculture agenda. You, as an individual, unfairly end up being broad brushed along with others in the identity group you happen to belong to.

However, at the same time, activist and participating members of those politicized identity groups are intentionally wreaking havoc on society, including the trans agenda, pedophilia, and the sexualization of children, and no matter how you live your own life, unless you oppose those pushing that counterculture agenda, you will be assumed to be a supporter.

But, I get it. Somehow, this nasty slice of society has managed to conflate their perverse and sadistic sexual agenda with the women's, black, and gay rights movements, and they use that blind to prevent their activities from being scrutinized. And, considering the immense funding of this perverse agenda, the backlash will probably grow making it worse for you. But, I encourage you to blame the correct people- it's not ordinary individuals trying to protect their children from attack, both sexually and medically, who are to blame.

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Heidi Lynn's avatar

David, thank you for your thoughtful comment. I am fully aware of what’s going on and who has hijacked what was once at least partially a grassroots human rights movement. There is just a lot of blaming of “gay people” rather than the powers-that-be that are masterminding many sexuality agendas, as detailed in research of Jennifer Bilek, Alison McDowell and others.

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David Lamson's avatar

Yes, Jennifer Bilek's work is great. I'm not familiar with Alison McDowell, but I will check her out, thank you.

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Thomas's avatar

David, trying to say the homosexual movement got hijacked by a nasty group of pedophiles and cross-dressers, is like saying it's just so sad a tank of gasoline got taken over by a match.

Also, your "blacks rights" comment is way off. Ever wonder why there's no Tranny story hour in the ghetto? Because they would KILL them, that's why. Blacks are well known to abhor homosexuality, and rightly so. Especially in Africa. Better to browbeat YT - it's much safer. And more profitable, too.

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David Lamson's avatar

From what I have read, it was those pushing a counterculture agenda, beginning nearly a century ago, who created the various rights movements as a convenient tactic for sowing division in the culture.

The goals of those movements became more extreme as they aged. I don't know who was behind those extreme goals. But, as we've discovered,most people are followers, and those who considered themselves members of those movements, went along with those extreme goals, and made themselves more and more at odds with the general public (at least the older ones.)

My guess is that most of those who consider themselves members of those movements would be satisfied to mind their own business. But, some relatively small percentage has ill intent and keeps pushing. And that nasty bunch prevents being scrutinized by claiming any criticism of them is criticism of their identity group rather than criticism of their nasty behavior and agenda.

Anyway, thanks for the comment.

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Thomas's avatar

David states:

"My guess is that most of those who consider themselves members of those movements would be satisfied to mind their own business."

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Dave, you've got a macabre sense of humor, I'll give you that. You might consider that the author of this substack could vehemently disagree with you. As I do. The Homosexual Agenda has attacked and psychologically abused Celia Farber for the past 40 years, despite her best efforts to HELP them. Not sure that means folx in the movement are, as you say, just "satisfied to mind their own business."

Yep, super happy folx in corporate boardrooms, social media, television, movies and HR departments are just hanging out, according to toi. Right to the point where any deviation from the Company line means you're targeted for extermination. The rainbow flag flies at US embassies around the world. That should tell you enough. It is a sign of cultural occupation. The most successful color revolution ever. All major corporations are on-board with the homosexual agenda, obviously so. If I go to an ATM at Citibank, I'm greeted by a rainbow flag on the screen. And it's not even June. But gosh, it's still 1969 Stonewall, didn't you know?

Walmart, CVS, Exxon, Apple, AirBnB, Facebook, Yelp, GM, and thousand of others (many the biggest corporations in the world), are clearly on board with the Agenda, and BlackRock makes sure they stay that way. And to think it all started with "simple" homosexuality.

But, let's face it, the "gay" Agenda has gotten a little stale. You know, like, so last year. Even trannies are flashing wrinkles through the makeup.

Instead, Furries, Pup-Soldiers, Manga, Anime, CGI porn, and Fictosexuality have got the drop on aging folx with spare tires, feet of clay, and maybe a touch less "vitality." In other words, Dave, we're POST-sexual now, while you scream 1969 Stonewall. Meanwhile, your inevitable heritage has resulted in breast-bud chopping and package mutilation across the wheat fields of the USA. Bed. Made. Lie.

https://substack.com/@clownworldnews/p-138403939

To those reading, I don't dare to change David's mind, even if I could. He's got the Woke Virus, and, of course, he's just "minding his own business." Sure. We're all far from home, and the hour is late.

He's got to wake up on his own, or just wait for his sentence to be executed by the Heavens.

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blablavatskaya's avatar

Eros is not the enemy, Thanatos is. the Death Drive needs to be renounced.

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Thomas's avatar

Blab, I'm not sure this is the site for you to grind your LGBTQ axe. My guess is you haven't really checked the archives here:

https://celiafarber.substack.com/p/how-did-we-survive

Might I suggest you try a different substack.

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Heidi Lynn's avatar

Tom, this is not your personal substack. It is Celia’s substack, and being an open minded individual, she has graciously welcomed all views but asks people to be civil. Thankfully, most folks are civil and respectful.

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Thomas's avatar

Struck a nerve, I suppose. Celui qui s'excuse, s'accuse. I guess that means those who excuse themselves, accuse themselves. It all seems so long ago, but a can of worms is a can of worms, Heidi. I know you don't like it. You don't want to hear it. "The United States of the Offended." Well, too bad, *sniff, sniff. Grow up, and own it.

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Thomas's avatar

RIGGGHHT, BRO STRAW. YOU CAN'T JUST MAKE STUFF UP. Admit it, you're a CLOWN.

***Your beloved Human Rights Campaign, (HRC) the political wing of LGBQT+++ disagrees with you. Doh! May I quote directly from their website?

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For many LGBTQ+ people, IPV (*intimate partner violence) often begins in youth or young adulthood. One in five (19%) lesbian, gay and bisexual high school-aged students say they have been forced to have sex, compared with 6% of straight students. Another study found that nearly one in four (24%) transgender high school-aged students say they have been forced to have sex, as well as 15% of their cisgender peers. In addition, lesbian, gay and bisexual high school-aged students report elevated rates of physical (13%) and sexual (16%) dating violence, compared to the rates of physical (7%) and sexual (7%) dating violence reported by their straight peers.

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What a bozo. Your own advocacy group disagrees with you!

To boot, let's talk about child NEGLECT and physical hitting. All are very, very common in all ethnicities, especially Native American Indian and Black. Both are more than DOUBLE the rate of Whites. Oops. Is that politically incorrect?

https://www.statista.com/statistics/254857/child-abuse-rate-in-the-us-by-race-ethnicity (neutral statistical site)

As for rapes, even the super-liberal sexual abuse site RAINN clearly states blacks rape woman at more than DOUBLE the percentage of whites. The rape violence is based on population percentage, bro, get it? Who is more violent? Clearly, blacks. Oops. Is that politically incorrect?

https://rainn.org/statistics/perpetrators-sexual-violence

And yes, boys are neglected and beaten up a bit less than girls are. Horrible parents. ESPECIALLY minority parents. (That doesn't fit your narrative, I get it.) Snitches get stitches, I know, I know.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/203831/number-of-child-abuse-cases-in-the-us-by-gender/ (neutral statistical site)

Next thing you're going to tell me is lesbians abuse each other LESS than heteros do. Of course, everyone knows lesbians tune each other up and murder each other at much higher rates than YT. Oops. Narrative alert, narrative alert. See the initial stats above from the Human Rights Campaign.

See? You mouth off without ANY proof whatsoever. Study the stats from YOUR organization. Guess your brain is focused elsewhere, like on your passions. We're all far from home, and the hour is late for many. Repent is an interesting word. It means to "RE-THINK." Get going. We're ALL going to be held accountable one day.

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blablavatskaya's avatar

merci, Heidi.

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Ernest Judd's avatar

"Associating gay people with pedophilia and trans agendas is a very old story".

But it is true and at present out-of-control.

And this is not because those that are sounding the alarm are truthers: the shitty degenerate sexual behaviour of horny men (not all!) that was expressed towards women gets expressed similarly by homosexuals towards men and boys. Why the predatory strategies?

Before the CoronaPrank 840,000 children in the U$A go missing every year.

This is not about your own sexuality. You are above this behaviour.

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Ann-Marie Michaels's avatar

What a bizarre comment: "Associating gay people with pedophilia and trans agendas is a very old story."

How is that your takeaway from this article? This article is all about homosexuality and pedophilia in the music industry. Which is an important subject to talk about. And the first thing out of your mouth is, I'm gay and I'm proud of it?

Which then triggers a bunch of other comments to try to hash it all out.

I guess it's an attempt to defend your decisions and your lifestyle.

I heard someone say, yesterday, oh yes, it was Roseanne Barr at the Tucker Carlson event in DFW, she said, (paraphrase,) "The reason we can't wake people up because they're not asleep. They're pretending to be asleep."

That is so right on the money.

Believe me, I get it. We're all triggered. We're all sinners. Don't get more triggered. Sin means to miss the mark.

The fact is we've all lost our way.

The music industry is drugging, raping and killing people and covering it up. It's about pedophilia -- trafficking children.

It has nothing to do with you being gay. Nor do we all need to know about your being gay.

Can we all stop making this about ourselves and our own moral dilemmas and stop pretending to be asleep? What would we say if we were pretending to be awake?

Sorry to be harsh but that is literally what my name means. I was born this way.

God bless you. I know you'll find your way back to Him. As we are all doing.

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Ted Kusie's avatar

Behold the Synagogue of Satan. (I know thy tribulation and thy poverty, but thou art rich: and thou art blasphemed by them that say they are Jews and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

[Apocalypse (Revelation) 2:9])

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Ann-Marie Michaels's avatar

Exactly. The entire music industry is run by jews.

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Watersnake's avatar

Thank you, Celia. This wasn’t easy to research or write about. In my small circle, whenever I have to interact with slimy people - as though it’s all normal - in meetings, I feel slimy inside afterwards.

Take care of your subtle body. I’ll pay my sub regardless how often you post because you are a cutting diamond after years of pressure. Choose wherever your fine intuition takes you.

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Ralph Magee's avatar

What might we have been, without “the music industry?” Bullseye!

If we had just stayed with the early 50's Howdy Doody shows, it might not have been so bad.

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flummoxed agent Roger W. 🦂's avatar

I heard once a dread diet doctor saying that Ephedrine was the most popular drug recommended by doctors in the '50s, to keep slim and to keep working. I guess that's the Germanic obsession with being productive all the time.

I noticed how they sanitized the word "prostitution" by now using the term "sex worker". Worker sounds much better to Germanic ears.

The mindwar was always there, long before the 20th century.

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The Real Mary Rose's avatar

Pop/rock/hippie culture was engineered. There was no reason for 1950s kids to rebel. They had it great. Same with 1960s kids... until they were fed drugs and "freedom" from their parents....

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nymusicdaily's avatar

we found out what it would be like without the music industry in the zeros and teens, by then artists had figured out that it was infinitely more profitable to go it alone. there was more worthwhile music released between 2010 and the lockdown than there was from 1950 to 2010 combined

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Elsie E Connelly's avatar

May I inquire as to your age?

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nymusicdaily's avatar

lol elsie i get the sense i'm one of the younger people on substack

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John Day MD's avatar

I'm pretty sure he's a "Boomer".

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Elsie E Connelly's avatar

Well, all I got to say is; HE DON'T KNOW JACK SHITE

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John Day MD's avatar

I also disagree with his statement, but taste is individual, and he may well be into a local scene.

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Elsie E Connelly's avatar

I suppose so. His posting n a me begins with NY; I suppose he's from NYC, people there seem to have a superior attitude. I've been there. Met a few nice people, but I couldn't live there. Too many buildings, too many people, too much noise. Yuck, yuck

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A.M.'s avatar

I respectfully suggest that you have not listened to enough music. Old time musicians, for instance, played music for the love of music--not because of profitability. Leadbelly wasn't really bringing home a paycheck. John Coltrane, Ben Webster, Billie Holiday, Hank Williams cannot be less worthwhile than anyone who has produced anything in the last decade. I could give scores of examples from all sorts of genres--but, again, you know nothing about music. I do not want to insult you. I want to provoke your curiosity to go explore. There is so much out there--incredibly fabulous stuff--that has been overlooked because of the pop music industry. You just need to look into what isn't necessarily mainstream. I named some of the more mainstream names, but there is an incredibly wealth of superb music to search out.

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nymusicdaily's avatar

maybe the reason why you can't name anyone who's produced anything worthwhile in the last decade is that you aren't aware of independent music. the difference is that this era's trane, ben w, lady day and hank would never get commercial radio airplay. but they can be found all over the web, on bandcamp and soundcloud

you like trane? check out pete rodriguez (i know, he's a trumpeter, but the influence is clear) https://destinyrecords.bandcamp.com/album/caminando-con-papi

if you like ben webster, jd allen's your man https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgQrnjya1ZY

there will only be one lady day so i'm going to pass on a comparison. she sang everything the same way. but damn, what a song

and if hank williams is your thing, you might enjoy oliver anthony https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqSA-SY5Hro

and while i'm at it, let me take this opportunity to bigup celia's talented songwriter sister bibi farber https://bibifarber.com/

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A.M.'s avatar

Oh I do also listen to music that has been put out in the last decade. I like Courtney Barnett, Father John Misty, Tom Price and more. I mostly listen to independent music, though not necessarily from the last decade. I like the Wipers, Dead Moon, The Lyres, Radio Birdman, Cosmic Psychos, etc.

What I disagreed with was your gargantuan statement that the music from the last decade far surpassed the music of the previous 70 years!

But I appreciate your recommendations!

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KP Stoller's avatar

Nothing will be hidden. All secrets will be revealed....but piecemeal otherwise the shock of what has been going on would put too many in complete shock

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Grand Schemes's avatar

No one noticed⁉️

We been talking about it for years.

Wendy Williams got fired off Hot 97 mad years ago for speaking about it specifically because of Puffy.

When anyone celebrity or civilian would speak about it We were called homophobes & then transphobes.

Dave Chappell & mad others been talking about it & how they make Us wear dresses & shit.

I can’t go with no one noticed… We’ve been noticing❗️

The whole world is being infected by agendas like this & others

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Ann-Marie Michaels's avatar

"When anyone celebrity or civilian would speak about it We were called homophobes & then transphobes."

Yes, and this is why so many, as Roseanne Barr said the other day, can't be woken up because "they're not asleep, they are pretending to be asleep." Such an astute thing to say.

If anyone points out that the emperor has no clothes, everyone who is involved in the sin, even peripherally, rushes to judge those of us pointing it out.

I went down so many rabbit holes over the past decade, and especially this past 4 years, that I now don't give a sh*t what anyone calls me.

And they can literally call me all the names and they fit. Antivaxxer, transphobe (yes I am afraid of trannies,) Islamophobe, climate change denier, neo-Nazi and yes, even Holocaust denier. I wear the labels proudly. These words are no longer insults, at least to a small cadre of us on X and Substack.

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The Real Mary Rose's avatar

In a recent photoshoot, Cardi B poses pregnant on a motorcycle with the word "Ped0phile" graphitied on the wall behind her. Right on out in the open. I don't know why people are surprised by this stuff.

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Elsie E Connelly's avatar

That poor unborn child.

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The Real Mary Rose's avatar

His or her life is going to be bad. That is one thing we can be sure of. I would not be surprised if the baby will be sacrificed in some way - whether trafficked, etc. These people literally sell their soul to be famous. There are dues to pay.

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Elsie E Connelly's avatar

It's such a shame. I have thought I was a bad mother, and really I wasn't that great. But Cardi B, jeeze she's a succubus!

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The Real Mary Rose's avatar

Yes, people who sell their soul out of greed usually don't make the best parents.

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Seth G's avatar

2pac warned us about Piddy

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Elsie E Connelly's avatar

Yes he did. For that I respect him. Don't care for rap, hip-hop, it's just not my thing.

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nymusicdaily's avatar

Choke No Joke nails it when he talks about how all the trannies who get all the corporate media exposure are black

the cabal supposedly prefers adrenochrome from darker skinned kids. all this is programming

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Elsie E Connelly's avatar

Well, Os last chef was a young black man. A favorite, I'm sure

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nymusicdaily's avatar

too bad he was left floating, he would have made a good last meal

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Alexandra Tejeda Rieloff's avatar

May their House Of Cards Of Depravity be DISMANTLED. (this is irrelevant, but twice I wrote 'their' & autocorrect changed it to 'there' > not so smart.

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A.M.'s avatar

I was living in NYC in 99 when Combs and Lopez got in a lot of trouble in a nightclub. Something went down and a gun fired by Combs hit a woman at the nightclub in the face. Lopez and Daddy fled the scene and nothing really happened to either of them. It was another news story filed away. Two criminals got off and everyone forgot because they were celebrities. But it was all crystal clear in 1999.

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Ann-Marie Michaels's avatar

Did you read about the NYPD Commissioner, Edward Caban, who just resigned the day before Friday the 13th? His twin brother is a nightclub fixer.

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A.M.'s avatar

I did, but I did not know that his twin brother was a nightclub fixer. Stranger and stranger.

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Ann-Marie Michaels's avatar

Global organized crime ring

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Tim Groves's avatar

Well, they told me to come on over

I made my way to New York

And they tried to have me deported

Stop me from getting work

Blacklisted me all over

They were vicious and they were mean

They were bigtime operators

Baby, on the music business scene

Oh, they looked like politicians

But underneath they were thugs

And they spread malicious rumours

Threatened to have me busted for drugs

They had nothing on me

Oh man, I was really clean

But they were bigtime operators

On the music business scene

They put a bug in my apartment

To listen in on my calls

I was looking for some motivation

I couldn't find any, any motivation at all

They were very desperate people

Riding in long black limousines

But they were bigtime operators

On the music business scene

They were glorified by the media

They were heroes who had names

They said that they would bury me

If I didn't play their game

They said I didn't know the score

And that I was young and green

They were bigtime operators

On the music business scene

Tried to hold me to a phoney contract

I said I didn't agree

Had to get out of their clutches

Had to go underground you see

Now I'm living in another country

But I know exactly just where I've been

Stay away from bigtime operators

Baby, on the music business scene

Well, baby bigtime operators

On the music business scene

Oh baby, bigtime operators

On the music business scene

Well, full of names and places

Baby, you know who I mean

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XRdywo_lwk

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Ann-Marie Michaels's avatar

Wow, I never heard this song before.

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Tim Groves's avatar

Well, if you enjoyed that one, you might like this. The Great Deception, also from Van Morrison back in 1973.( I think "Love City" is a reference to San Francisco in the hippy days. Dance to the Music and Power to the People were digs at Sly Stone and John Lennon, who Van saw as hypocritical as they were rolling in dough while Van, the true artist, was as poor as Rembrandt.)

Did you ever hear about the great deception?

Well, the plastic revolutionaries take the money and run

Have you ever been down to Love City

Where they rip you off with a smile and it don't take a gun?

Don't it hurt so bad in Love City?

Don't it make you wanna not bother at all?

And don't they look so self-righteous

When they pin you up against the wall?

Did you ever, ever see the people

With the teardrops in their eyes?

I just can't stand it, stand it no how

Living in this world of lies

Did you ever hear about the rock 'n' roll singers?

Got three or four Cadillacs

He's saying, "Power to the people, dance to the music"

Wants you to pat him on the back

Have you ever heard about the great Rembrandt?

Have you ever heard about how he could paint?

And he didn't have enough money for his brushes

And they thought it was rather quaint

But you know it's no use heed it

And you know, no use to think about it

'Cause when you stop to think about it

You don't need it

Have you ever heard about the great Hollywood motion picture actor?

Knew more than they did

And the newspapers didn't cover the story

Just decided to keep it hid

Somebody started sayin' it was an inside job

Whatever happened to him?

Last time they saw him down on the Bowery

With his lip hangin' off an old rusty bottle of gin

Have you ever heard about the so-called hippies

Down on the far side of the track?

They take the eyeballs straight out of your head

And say "Son, kid, do you want your eyeballs back?"

Did you ever see the people

With the teardrops in, in their eyes?

Just can't stand it no how

Living in this world of lies

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1X6K8lcnjc

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Howard's avatar

Yeoman's work. The Whitney Houston (and family) saga was all new to me, I didn't follow it at the time. Clive Davis seemed as sincere and full of regrets as Larry Silverstein did after "his" buildings were destroyed on Sept. 11. "Why won't anybody talk about Clive Davis?" That's a very interesting question ........

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flummoxed agent Roger W. 🦂's avatar

Yes, it's depressing.

You're right: you don't have to cover this sordid story.

About HIV, I can imagine that in the 1980s and 1990s the monster factory was benefited by the invention of it, it's easier to control and corrupt young people using stories like the Erlkonig you have mentioned sometimes. But clearly Clive never had any fear. And other monsters knew what was going on. Only their victims were in fear. Of AIDS and a million other things. It's all so awful and disgusting.

I learned a couple of months ago the motte-and-the-bailey tactic. Some info here en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motte-and-bailey_fallacy

I think this fits the HIV/AIDS and sexual exploitation of people in the music industry, because people who know nothing about the industry would never dispute the easy and obvious terror of a virus, and thus the real crime is well protected in plain sight.

The way I understand it: the mott is the panic about disease. The bailey is the obvious fact that sexual violence is unjust and immoral, and it is desirable to end any industry based on that, or close to that.

I'm sure we can come up with other examples, like amphetamines and 1950s rock and roll, or early Hollywood and stories about chloroform, tuberculosis, malaria, or mercury poisoning of stars and directors who complained.

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patrick tobin's avatar

There was a comment in your previous Diddy stack (now gone) that matched up Hunter and Puffs crimes. It was an excellent comparison.

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Desiree Flores's avatar

Yup, it is pretty good advice ; Thou shall not idol worship! Always valid and up to date no matter which age we are in, thanks for the stomach to cover this disgusting industry, and yes the psyche of the human being would be a whole lot more imbued with real light of not for this false light of celeb worship blasted over the airwaves 24/7, Saludos! Grüß Gott!

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